Blacktron Mafia: Day 2, Space Oddity

[TheLazyChicken]

I really didn't like this when I read it and I couldn't pinpoint why. Is this what the Scum chose to kill Ender for? To incriminate Minga? This is a sloppy way to incriminate someone, if so but.

Or I'm Scum and was blocked. Where's that possibility?

Wait what?

When I made that statement I originally thought that they killed him/her/it because he was a mid-range poster and was suspecting Minga who (I originally thought) was scum.

Oh, I forgot about that possibility but that's also possible, you could've also been scum and protected, where's that possibility?

[Dannylonglegs]

Vote Update:

2 votes for Claw(theLazychicken): CallmePies, Ranger of the Forest

1 vote for Harriet Stomper (Mediumsnowman): Bob

1 vote for Major Dave (Fhomess): Mediumsnowman

1 vote for Laura Starbucks (Tariq j): Dragonfire

1 vote for 4 of 2 (Mostlytechnic): Fhomess

9 votes required to lynch. Day ends in about 28 hours.

Edited September 8, 2015 by Dannylonglegs

[Hinckley]

When I made that statement I originally thought that they killed him/her/it because he was a mid-range poster and was suspecting Minga who (I originally thought) was scum.

So you didn't suspect Minga because Ender suspected him?

[TheLazyChicken]

Okay, so you thought Minga was scum but you changed your mind but you still gut feel that Minga is scum? That makes soooo much sense...

Let me clear this up;

1. I tho

Ugh let me try this again, my mobile device is jacking shiz up.

1. At first I thought you were scum because Ender suspected you and you may have found that it would put you in danger if he was kept alive. He was also a mid-range poster which could also lead to people not being exactly suspicious of his death.

2. I then changed my mind about that because scum wouldn't try to make it look obvious and it may have been something to incriminate you.

3. For meta gaming reasons I feel that you're scum, but then I'm also not 100% sure that you are, it's like a 50% of me feels that you're scum but the other 50% feels that you're town.

[Hinckley]

Let me clear this up;

1. I tho

Ugh let me try this again, my mobile device is jacking shiz up.

1. At first I thought you were scum because Ender suspected you and you may have found that it would put you in danger if he was kept alive. He was also a mid-range poster which could also lead to people not being exactly suspicious of his death.

2. I then changed my mind about that because scum wouldn't try to make it look obvious and it may have been something to incriminate you.

3. For meta gaming reasons I feel that you're scum, but then I'm also not 100% sure that you are, it's like a 50% of me feels that you're scum but the other 50% feels that you're town.

Me? When did you ever mention me as suspect? And when did Ender?

[TheLazyChicken]

So you didn't suspect Minga because Ender suspected him?

Him? I thought it was a her...

What I said above should clear up your question.

Me? When did you ever mention me as suspect? And when did Ender?

What have you been smoking on dude

I wasn't talking to you, I was talking to Minga...

[Hinckley]

What have you been smoking on dude

I wasn't talking to you, I was talking to Minga...

Sorry, mate. I assumed you were answering the question I just asked about why you seem to be changing what you're saying.

[TheLazyChicken]

[quote name=Ranger of the Forest'

timestamp='1441737808' post='2324982]

So you don't suspect her, but your gut does? Last time I checked guts were a part of you, but of course maybe your anatomy is different. Did you mean you don't suspect her because of your brain, but your gut tells you she's guilty regardless?

Explained above

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timestamp='1441737808' post='2324982]

And why are you so insistent on Seamus being investigated so that the rest of the town can start claiming to him? There have been plenty of examples in the past of this not working out well. I'm not even going to comment on the paranoia that he's the godfather, but I don't get why you want people to claim to him "once he's been investigated."

True he could be the Godfather but I find that highly unlikely especially if there's a 6.-something% chance of him being one according to 4 of 2.

This whole post just pings me a ton, as do many of your other posts. 4 of 2 has pinged me as well today, but you are the scummiest person today, imo.

How do my other posts ping you? You could at least analyze my posts to see what you find scummy about them if you're going to say that

Also, if there's reason to believe that Seamus is town and not the godfather, then I guess there's nothing wrong in claiming to him. It's just the fact that Claw was singling him out for people to claim to, if that makes sense.

Well he's the one who starts the town block based off of past games and stuff. They always claim to him or Def.

[Captain Nemo]

(You people type so fast! )

That only clears some things up--like 100% of it; or no, not really, like only half of the stuff; so like 50%.

I'd like to post a follow up question: uh, when Claw did you exactly stop suspecting Minga so much? In that one post specifically? Your initial suspicion of her (that being Minga was responsible for the death of Ender as a way of shutting him up or something) seemed to be based on nothing really--and equally so, your big reversal seems to be based on the fact that you yourself talked er...yourself out of it. So it obviously couldn't have been that good of a suspicion to begin with--if you don't believe it yourself.

They could be concerned, at first I thought of Minga being scum but later on I changed my mind about her, I don't think the scum would make it entirely obvious. Maybe they tried to frame her...? I still have a gut feeling she's scum though.

Is this the reasoning? I see it still as a rather shocking turnabout brought on by...something? Your own inability to believe it? I'm really staring to lean on Minga's voting analysis (which in fact was an actual voting analysis, not just a recapped list of votes) that suggest you are the scum to be watching...

Side note, incidentally, couldn't this situation suggest that you are trying to frame Minga for Ender's death? You're doing the exact same thing that causes you to find her scummy.

True he could be the Godfather but I find that highly unlikely especially if there's a 6.-something% chance of him being one according to 4 of 2.

And now you don't even believe in math...you're crazy! Crazy I say!

[Piratedave84]

I disagree with the way Clem has handled her role too, but I think you're making it more dire than it actually is. This is all assuming Clem is on the level, of course. I don't think a backup vig without the Scum having prior knowledge would confuse the hell out of them. I think they'd say "Aw, nuts. A backup." And move on. This may have actually saved the vig's life if they role copped him/her on Night One. Because now they might need to reconfigure their tactics if they know the vig will just be replaced anyway and try to kill a less powerful role if they can figure one out. And the Town now has the information that we have a backup and the Town getting info, which is hard to come by in this game, is a way to strengthen the Town. I don't think everybody should claim publicly. No no no. But the more info we have to go forward on, the more confident we can be as a collective Town. We also know that the second highest vote–getter from yesterday should not be lynched today and we should take the time to let that claim play out and focus on other players' slip–ups. So, while I don't think Clem handled her (claimed) role the best way, I think you should stop berating her when it appears that you are only skimming what has been said anyway.

As someone else was craikin' earlier, Minga's vote analysis is the most substance we've seen all day. He took the time to check what everyone had said before voting started in order to separate those who appeared to put a lot of thought into their vote and those who seemed to just jump on the bandwagon. I wonder where Paul and Laura show up in that analysis, considering their opinion of it is eerily similar. Is the conversation you had about it on the writeboard spilling over into the day thread, Scummy Scummos?

Interesting. Yar looking like the wee hens who never layed away if you know what I mean.

I still think he divulged too much.

I'll admit to sheeping the vote. Which is why I'm trying to weigh my options more thoroughly today.

What makes you sure sure Clem is on the level?

[TheLazyChicken]

I'd like to post a follow up question: uh, when Claw did you exactly stop suspecting Minga so much? In that one post specifically? Your initial suspicion of her (that being Minga was responsible for the death of Ender as a way of shutting him up or something) seemed to be based on nothing really--and equally so, your big reversal seems to be based on the fact that you yourself talked er...yourself out of it. So it obviously couldn't have been that good of a suspicion to begin with--if you don't believe it yourself.

I wasn't strongly suspecting Minga, who I teally thought was scum was Clementine which I now still do a little bit but my suspicion for her lowered because of her claim which I find a bit unnecessary for Day 2.

I never strongly suspected Minga, she was like a side suspicion for me.

[Hinckley]

Claw is almost more obsessed with me than Clem. Let's take a wee look at all of his flappin's:

3 townies down?!

Doctor Wen was town as I'm pretty sure everyone was expecting.

Clark and Ender were also townies.

Two kills... Possibly a town kill and a scum kill? It might also be a neautral kill as in one of my past lives.

I'm curious to why they killed Ender, I'm pretty sure he was suspicious of Minga, maybe Minga had something to do with this?

Blatantly trying to implicate Minga in Ender's death. Not that he's saying Minga is Scum and killed Ender. He's just asking.

Maybe someone was going to kill Seamus but they got blocked or Seamus got protected.

Why me, exactly? Maybe someone was going to kill anyone and was blocked or the target protected.

Going over Ender's posts from yesterday...

Accuses Minga of being quick to agree with the strong (Seamus).

Minga isn't sure what he means.

He replies saying that Minga is basically agreeing with what Seamus says. This could mean that Minga is agreeing with Seamus so she can appear as a townie.

This is true but agreeing isn't always the best tactic, adding on to the accusstions makes the town stronger. Agreeing with others all the time may get you lynched... This is based off of one of my previous lives.

This is true as well. In another previous live I had as a scum, a tactic I was told to use was to buddy up with a townie to make myself look townier. Minga could've been doing this and buddying up with Seamus to look townier.

So, now Claw is giving us another book report on things that have happened. Apparently this is "analyzing" the things that Ender contributed. Here, I'm mentioned again by Claw, whose theory of Minga buddying up to a Townie has me playing the Townie. It seems the Claw knows I'm a Townie. Why am I wearing your clothes anyway? I know someone was knobbing around for a cheeky time but it is interesting that it was the Claw and I who changed clothes. Unless that was a host joke to make me Zero–suit. And the prankster just wanted to see me in my skivvies. But, that's all besides the point. I gotta stop the rambling...

You shouldn't have claimed this early yet, unless you were about to get lynched. By the time you might get lynched I think a person could be confirmed town already so you can claim to whoever that person is. Probably Seamus since he always starts the town block when he's town, he is a good candidate for the investigating first.

It helps the scum know not to false role claim, meaning less chances of town catching liars.

Here, I'm mentioned again. The Claw just canny help itself! And it's announced that I should be investigated. It bugs me I receive so much metagamey focus but this bugged me for more that I couldn't pinpoint at the time. But now it seems like "If people want to claim, let's have Seamus investigated...so we can frame his megablocks. "

Oh I forgot you suspected him...

To be honest, I don't even know how you would claim, if a town block got formed, then claim to Seamus, he would eventually be caught as scum if a lot of power roles die. Then you'll know for sure he's the godfather.

Here I am again, this time killing power roles therefore I must be the Godfather. Not just plain old Scum or tailored Scum or somebody else in the Town block is Scum but it has to be me, again. Is my point that the Claw is stalking me? I would like to speak with the Cap'n about how restraining orders are handled. But with all the discussion about not claiming to people until they're verified there certainly is a lot of talk from the Claw about me heading up a Town block. Are you trying to buddy up to a Townie or is that something only Clementine would be guilty of? And why doesn't this one start with me being investigated? Just go claim to Seamus and if a bunch of you die, then he's the Godfather. What the hell is going on?

Clementine COULD have influenced the whole town, especially if he gave reasons for different people which would lead to people having different theories and people placing different votes resulting in a no-lynch.

People who were implicated by Minga's voting analysis really don't think it's a good analysis.

They could be concerned, at first I thought of Minga being scum but later on I changed my mind about her, I don't think the scum would make it entirely obvious. Maybe they tried to frame her...? I still have a gut feeling she's scum though.

I don't suspect her as much anymore, on the other hand my gut does.

So Scum killed Ender to frame Minga and what did Minga do on Day One that they wanted to take him out? Is Minga the only person Ender suspected? I'm sorry that you are at odds with your gut.

Not exactly, I'm saying that he should probably be investigated if he isn't already. Then when he's confirmed to be town then claim to him.

If he's confirmed scum then don't claim to him, claim to someone else I guess or to the group as a whole.

Here's another plea for me to be investigated along with the sage advice not to claim to me if I'm Scum. Where would we be without you?

Oh that wasn't intended to be a vote analysis, just my thoughts on the votes from yesterday.

"I don't analyze anything, I just repeat them in a concise summary."

I don't know if it's weird to constantly mention me and repeatedly tell people to claim to me and push for me to be investigated. But it is weird the Claw can't seem to make up his mind or his gut about Minga being suspicious and Minga makes good points about his vote (along with Paul and Laura).

I was getting ready to vote for Paul but now that I see more from the Claw and look back at its contributions today, I think I might be voting for it... I need to think about it.

[TheLazyChicken]

And now you don't even believe in math...you're crazy! Crazy I say!

The frickle frackle...

[Hinckley]

What makes you sure sure Clem is on the level?

I'm not saying she's on the level. I'm saying I'm inclined to believe her as I see it as a difficult Scum gambit.

Your reaction to Minga's vote analysis has you close to the top of my list, too.

teally thought was scum

[Captain Nemo]

I wasn't strongly suspecting Minga, who I teally thought was scum was Clementine which I now still do a little bit but my suspicion for her lowered because of her claim which I find a bit unnecessary for Day 2.

Does your suspicion of Clementine have an affect on your suspicion of Minga? I tend to think 'suspecting' can be used to describe your insinuation that Minga had Ender killed. It's passive suggestion: you didn't come out and say it, but it was all but heavily implied and now denied. You are pointing out that Minga is behind Ender's death, and as such are noting that she should be looked at--ergo you're suspicious of her. But now, that just didn't happen apparently...

I never strongly suspected Minga, she was like a side suspicion for me.

Don't deny it; like who doesn't have a side space-mistress?

[TheLazyChicken]

So, now Claw is giving us another book report on things that have happened. Apparently this is "analyzing" the things that Ender contributed. Here, I'm mentioned again by Claw, whose theory of Minga buddying up to a Townie has me playing the Townie. It seems the Claw knows I'm a Townie. Why am I wearing your clothes anyway? I know someone was knobbing around for a cheeky time but it is interesting that it was the Claw and I who changed clothes. Unless that was a host joke to make me Zero–suit. And the prankster just wanted to see me in my skivvies. But, that's all besides the point. I gotta stop the rambling...

Well she was buddying up with the "strong", that's what Ender said. Wouldn't that mean that you would have to be town for the theory to make sense?

Wait are you looking for clues in the pictures?! :oh2:

I really have no idea what you're doing in my clothes.

Here, I'm mentioned again. The Claw just canny help itself! And it's announced that I should be investigated. It bugs me I receive so much metagamey focus but this bugged me for more that I couldn't pinpoint at the time. But now it seems like "If people want to claim, let's have Seamus investigated...so we can frame his megablocks. "

I'm just repeating myself because people don't seem to understand what I'm saying.

Here I am again, this time killing power roles therefore I must be the Godfather. Not just plain old Scum or tailored Scum or somebody else in the Town block is Scum but it has to be me, again. Is my point that the Claw is stalking me? I would like to speak with the Cap'n about how restraining orders are handled. But with all the discussion about not claiming to people until they're verified there certainly is a lot of talk from the Claw about me heading up a Town block. Are you trying to buddy up to a Townie or is that something only Clementine would be guilty of? And why doesn't this one start with me being investigated? Just go claim to Seamus and if a bunch of you die, then he's the Godfather. What the hell is going on?

I'm not trying to buddy up to a townie, but like I said, I have to keep repeating myself because people don't seem to understand me.

So Scum killed Ender to frame Minga and what did Minga do on Day One that they wanted to take him out? Is Minga the only person Ender suspected? I'm sorry that you are at odds with your gut.

What? Wait you'll have to repeat that because I don't understand what you're saying...

Also weren't you already going to vote for me?

[Hinckley]

I never strongly suspected Minga, she was like a side suspicion for me.

You spent a lot of time talking about your side–dish. Who is your appetizer and main course? Dessert?

[TheLazyChicken]

Does your suspicion of Clementine have an affect on your suspicion of Minga? I tend to think 'suspecting' can be used to describe your insinuation that Minga had Ender killed. It's passive suggestion: you didn't come out and say it, but it was all but heavily implied and now denied. You are pointing out that Minga is behind Ender's death, and as such are noting that she should be looked at--ergo you're suspicious of her. But now, that just didn't happen apparently...

I thought at first that Minga was scum, I don't think that anymore I still have a feeling she could be but I'm leaning more to town... For now.

Foreal though, I can't change opinion about someone without having people suspect me about it...

Don't deny it; like who doesn't have a side space-mistress?

[Piratedave84]

I'm not saying she's on the level. I'm saying I'm inclined to believe her as I see it as a difficult Scum gambit.

Your reaction to Minga's vote analysis has you close to the top of my list, too.

I'm a fan of gambits and all I can think about now is how it would totally be worth it to claim an unusual role and then potentially have a PR claim to them. 2 things are potentially being accomplished here; 1) she saved herself from a lynch and 2) she may just get a PR claim.

I'm being paranoid here but just think about it; she's likely to be investigated tonight and if she is the godfather will come up town.

Like you said it's a risky gambit but I can see the benefits.

I might be barking up the wrong tree ... But at this stage we can agree that almost any barking is good barking ... That was a shitty metaphor but you get the point.

[TheLazyChicken]

You spent a lot of time talking about your side–dish. Who is your appetizer and main course? Dessert?

I don't have one right now. Clem and Minga aren't pinging me as much as they used to.

[Hinckley]

Well she was buddying up with the "strong", that's what Ender said. Wouldn't that mean that you would have to be town for the theory to make sense?

These are your words now.

Going over Ender's posts from yesterday...

Accuses Minga of being quick to agree with the strong (Seamus).

Minga isn't sure what he means.

He replies saying that Minga is basically agreeing with what Seamus says. This could mean that Minga is agreeing with Seamus so she can appear as a townie.

That's you repeating what Ender said.

This is true as well. In another previous live I had as a scum, a tactic I was told to use was to buddy up with a townie to make myself look townier. Minga could've been doing this and buddying up with Seamus to look townier.

This is your own theory, as you state, based on your own experience.

Wait are you looking for clues in the pictures?! :oh2:

I really have no idea what you're doing in my clothes.

No, I'm looking for clues as to why someone chose (even as a joke) to switch my clothes with yours. That's not in the pictures, that is a message from God.

I'm just repeating myself because people don't seem to understand what I'm saying.

Every time you repeat yourself, the meaning seems to change.

Also weren't you already going to vote for me?

If I were going to vote for you, I already would have. What are you basing this on?

[TheLazyChicken]

No, I'm looking for clues as to why someone chose (even as a joke) to switch my clothes with yours. That's not in the pictures, that is a message from God.

Someone could've redirected you to me, I didn't send any actions in. Either you preformed an action or you got redirected.

Every time you repeat yourself, the meaning seems to change.

It's not intended to change, just intended to be simpler and easier to understand.

[Hinckley]

Someone could've redirected you to me, I didn't send any actions in. Either you preformed an action or you got redirected.

It's not an Action, it was a joke that someone made. My speculation is why would someone choose the two of us.

Just forget it. Don't think about it again. You might hurt yourself.

[Sir Stig]

I've been reading forever. It is getting late, and I keep rereading posts to check facts. I will comment on some I multiquoted, but there is more I am working out, but I have to take some things right now before I lose my trains of thought.

Let's be equal opportunity about those flying under the radar. Those posting low on both days (so far) are:

Bock Pathos

Diamond Dodd

Hannah Ford

Laura Starbucks

Nathan Mallard

Paul Harkonnen

Rip Sewer

Vazquez Rodriguez

Rip and Diamond have made the most memorable contributions from their low number of posts. The others blend in which is always where some of the Scum try to end up, in my recent memory, the most dangerous and hardest to catch. Because somebody will make an accurate accusation and they will be able to easily explain it away since there isn't a lot of content to base a stronger case off of. I know that's a lot of people but those are the ones I see as under the radar currently.

Zipzop could be there as well if it weren't for his slightly higher post content from Day One.

Good. Science. It works. I kept an exxelfile logging all the posts until around voting day 1. I lost track trying to get everything that was going on. And I've been going back proofreading and trying to view posts with the mindset (based on their wording). It all takes time, but I am getting good info. Coming back to this one in some of the posts here:

Surely the scum should be trying to get us to underestimate the number of players they have, to make us overconfident ?? Exaggerating numbers only makes townies warier of the scum and more paranoid - and thus more likely to successfully catch scum.

Why would it make us more likely to sucessfully catch scum? It adds confusion and keeps the federation from getting a base, while the scum plucks away hairs in their furry soup.

Minga just wanted to make it clear in what order the votes came and what reasons the players gave for submitting the votes. Basically, a compilation of information.

I was going to pick on this one, and I had some points showing that the wording in the compilation were very leading, but the post I wrote disappeared, and going over it one more time seems alright as to the bandwagoning suspicions, and there are a few suspicious votes. At least for the Dr.Wen votes. I think it was the Clementine votes that had me wondering as to why there would not be scum there (especially because I have found you smelling a bit fishy, which I have already voiced. But I always double check my facts), and the two separate votes I felt had good enough reasoning at least for a day 1 vote. It was mentioned that it was statistically good odds of a town win with no lynch day 1, and this strengthens the separate votes.

Then Minga presented her opinions of people based on these facts.

Well yeah, but you also a leading compilation of information. I may be nitpicking, but that's what I do.

Sir Stig, on 07 September 2015 - 10:34 PM, said:

I am trying. I suggested block/investigate Wen, and I provided my reasoning. And he turned town. I thought Clementine, and we don't know if he is a backup yet. I think your analysis were interesting and I had to read their voting posts. While trying to locate Laura Starbucks votes I had a problem finding them, and had to search the system search database (forum) by entering codeword: Tariq J. The posts were empty, no subjects, not helpful for the town at all. This strikes me as suspicious. I wish Laura Starbucks could just fill in Personell form 113X44b.

Maybe i’ve forgotten how to read, but this post confuses the hell out of me

It’s very muddled, and I’m not entirely clear on what you’re trying to say. Especially the beginning. Would it be too much trouble to rephrase this, so I and everyone else can get a better understanding of your intent? Maybe i’ve forgotten how to read, but this post confuses the hell out of me It’s very muddled, and I’m not entirely clear on what you’re trying to say. Especially the beginning. Would it be too much trouble to rephrase this, so I and everyone else can get a better understanding of your intent? Hate to get preachy here, but self preservation isn’t as important as the whole town coming up on top at the end. Or scum in your case, I suppose

You have to read back on what I am replying to, and what that is based on. I was accused of not contributing. I don't think that's fair, I use a lot of time reading, rereading, trying to see posts with others view to see if I have missed something, and finding weaknesses. I have voiced many concerns, while pointing out why they are concerns, not just pointing the finger to see if they put their hands up. The amount of information is a bit overwhelming though. I lost track on my exxelsheet by voting day 1, just to keep up with things. I feel you are trying your best at throwing distractions in the way, but I rely on my own deduction skills so far, and I don't see anything discriminating about your posts at first glance, except the voting post (see below). It's good to use critical thinking, but I don't see you looking for scum tells other than the occasional superficial prodding, and trying to catch people on the basis that they argues for their points.

Also, if there's reason to believe that Seamus is town and not the godfather, then I guess there's nothing wrong in claiming to him. It's just the fact that Claw was singling him out for people to claim to, if that makes sense.

Here, the one you're voting for suggests claiming to Seamus, you use that for your vote reasoning, and you suggest to do the same?! There is some inconsistency here that ticks with me.

I agree that defending Clem tonight makes sense, as long as the protector doesn't know for certain any other PRs. Which I'd be amazed if they did, since it's only day 2. However, I disagree that it would be too complicated or risky of a scum ploy. It's a weird role, so easy to make up the details (ie only a backup for certain PRs, not all of them, etc) to fit your needs. Also, how would it get caught? For a lie to get caught, first a PR has to die WHILE BEING KNOWN by others, and then at least another day to pass to check Clem's night actions to see if she does whatever that role was. And some roles are impossible to test - let's say there was a full-blown town block coordinating things and the protector dies. And for arguments' sake here, Clem's in the block and actually scum. So she's assigned to protect Player X - the scum just don't kill player X that night! And ta da, she's not caught! Or if the vig dies and she becomes vig, she has the scum killer kill whoever the block chooses, and then we're mysteriously missing a kill but her assigned person is indeed dead, so there's explanations. TL;DR: I don't think backup would be a terrible choice of fake role for a scum to claim. Go check your math - both Paul and Dave posted 3 times in day 1. Dave's posted zero today, while Paul did at least stop in once. But yes, both are WAY too quiet.

I agree that it would be hard to trust Clem and take a lot of time and resources to confirm him. And even then it would be hard to be sure. Seamus mentioned several others that have been just as (or about as) quiet, although I am not ready to go full scale witch hunt on the quiet types just yet. There are many good leads to go on still.

No, I was stating it differently since you apparently didn't understand the first time. And I NEVER SAID TO LIE. In fact, in the post you quoted I specifically said NOT to lie. I meant that IF people were going to claim (again, I say not to!) then some of our legitimate vanillas would need to claim vanilla to Clem as well, so that when both PRs and vanillas tell OTHER PEOPLE that they claimed to clem it doesn't give away who the PRs are. But again, this is a bad idea that I do not recommend. I was originally making a hypothetical and apparently made the mistake of trying to clarify. Neither time did I want people to do it. Personally I'm leaning town on Clem but not enough to claim anything (PR, pranks, vanilla, anything!) to her. Ditto for you - I'm leaning town on you, but I'm not claiming anything to you either.

Why should legitimate vanillas claim vanilla to Clementine? That is bonkers. It would not help the federation. But it would help the scum team focusing on the remaining PRs, if he is scum. Wouldn't vanillas LYING and claiming PR's be better, because it would give watchers a possibility to see if the claimees got a visit after claiming. Either way it is not a very good plan and helpful pro-federation thinking. Your logic is flawed in my eye.

I regret that I didn't get the chance to ask Doc Wen what was up before he died. Missed out on the most obvious joke And slightly ashamed of my humor...

I'm not done. But it's 02:35 here now, and I am way over sane awake time. Signing in tomorrow by lunch time.

[mostlytechnic]

Time for me to actually weigh in on things. Let's take a look at Bock. He's currently ranked 14th in total posting. That's barely showing up here! On day one, his 6 posts were:

Fluff

Fluff

Fluff about fluffiness

Fluff

threat to vote for Doc Wen

An actual vote for Doc Wen, with the justification being simply that Doc was "fishy and suspicious" - not exactly a solid case there, nor any effort at all really.

And that vote was #4 on Wen, right after the first 3 votes were immediately placed on him. That's a decent place for scum to hide in the voting, especially with how much everyone expected the votes to be nearly unanimous.

Today, he's made wow, 2 whole posts.

Very short post yelling at Clem for claiming and how that ruined town's chances to hunt scum

sort of building a case against Harriet and voting her - complaining that Harriet the new girl was not intense enough in accusations and therefore scummy.

Both of those are safe, pretty meaningless posts. Nice places for scum to hide while making non-threatening and non-pinging posts. So I'm going to

Vote: Bock Pathos (bob) because you're either scum or really lazy town and therefore not helping us. And as a bonus, if you're gone it'd be nice because you're a pain to search the day threads for because you've hosted a ton of games and so your name is in everyone's sigs over and over and over. So I don't want to ever have to search for your posts again.