MagPiesRUs Posted August 3, 2015 Posted August 3, 2015 Day Seven: Bloodbath Toki (TrumpetKing) was sitting alone, unable to get himself to sleep. He was sure the voyage was doomed. The end was near... He looked to his left... ... And then to his right. No one was there. Across from Toki however, someone was sprawled on the floor, gurgling. It was Petr Half-Troll (Piratedave84), who was dead... drunk. Dead drunk. Emphasis on the drunk part. Not the dead part. He was still alive. Meanwhile, Canute Grey-Bush (CallMePie) was sitting out late at night, trying to remember the tale of his previous death. "Ah, yes!" Canute said to himself, "I was tracking Patrekr the Red, trying to make sure he wasn't up to no good. Next thing I knew, he was swinging an axe at my face! Ah... good times..." He hadn't noticed the shadowy figure creeping up behind him... As Canute began to pace across the field, the sword-wielding silhouette drew closer... Before he knew it, the shadowy figure gleefully jabbed their scummy sword into his back. "Loki sends his regards, you old fool!" the figure laughed... ... "I can't remember how the rest of the story went..." Canute said, "I think I might have got permanent brain damage from that little saga..." "No, wait, I remember now. We all lived happily ever after!" Canute announced, satisfied with himself. Unfortunately, no one was listening to Canute's story any more. They had all fallen asleep. Or maybe they were dead...? ... No, they were definitely asleep. Morning came and the longship kept sailing. The crew awoke, surprised they had all survived the night. They were even more surprised to find a dragon lying slain along the river bank, it's belly having been pierced. It was a bloodbath. No one had ever seen anything quite like it. Kára left the boat to observe the great beast. It was then that she heard a noise in the distance. She followed tracks that lead to a hidden cave... ... Kára hesitantly peered into the entrance... ... There, at the end of the cave, sat a strange man... Non-Playable Characters Kára Ragnar Characters (10) Canute Grey-Bush (CallMePie) Pudding-Head (Hinckley) Cranebeinn the Redder (Chromeknight) Petrus Fire-Starter (Pandora) Petr Half-Troll (Piratedave) Toki (TrumpetKing) Lauga (Lady K) Tarr Egg-Chaser (Tariq j) Agnar Skull-Smasher (Adam) Jafri (Jackjonespaw) The Dead Brand (Brickelodeon) - Loyal - voted out, Day One Patrekr the Red (Palathadric) - Loyal - murdered, Night One Lambi (TheLazyChicken) - Corrupted - murdered, Night One Jarl Name-Loser (jluck) - Corrupted - voted out, Day Two Dagstyrr the Fool (Darkdragon) - Loyal - murdered, Night Two Mist (Mencot) - Corrupted - voted out, Day Three Tarben the Wise (Tamamono) - Loyal - murdered, Night Three Munud the Strange (mostlytechnic) - Loyal - murdered, Night Three Lodmund the Dwarf (Lord Duvors) - Loyal - voted out, Day Four Kaupmad (KingoftheZempk) - Loyal - murdered, Night Four Dar (Dragonfire) - Corrupted - voted out, Day Five Danr the Dragon-Slayer (Dannylonglegs) - Loyal - murdered, Night Four Ragnvald the Troll (Ranger of the Forest) - Loyal - voted out, Day Six Reserves mediumsnowman Rules 1. Each player will be given a character to play, who will be aligned with either the Loyal or the Corrupted. To win the game, the Loyal must kill all enemy factions, while the Corrupted must outnumber all enemy factions. Neutral characters will have their victory conditions outlined in their role. 2. Each day you will be able to vote to lynch a player. Voting should be done in the following format; Vote: Character (Player). Similarly, unvoting is to be done in the format; Unvote: Character (Player). No other format will be accepted. A majority vote is required to lynch a player. 2b. You may give your proxy vote to a player in the following format: Proxy: Character (Player). Doing so will gift your vote to the player of your choice, effectively giving them an extra vote. You may retract your proxy in the following format: Unproxy: Character (Player). 3. A game day will last for 72 hours. You may not vote in the first 24 hours. After the day has concluded, a night stage will commence, which will last a maximum of 48 hours. Night actions must be sent to the host in the first 24 hours of the night stage. 4. The alignment of lynched players, as well as those that died during the night, will be revealed at the beginning of the next day. 5. You may not quote or pretend to quote anything sent to or from you in PM with the game host. This includes all the details of your character and role, as well as any night action results. Role claims and reporting of night action results are acceptable, but in your own words only. Do not attempt to use the structure of your role PM to your advantage. 5b. Similarly, you may not quote or pretend to quote anything sent by another player via PM. Please paraphrase instead. 6. Do not play the game outside the thread. Similarly, do not post out of character inside the thread; you must always play the role given to you. Game tactics and roles may only be discussed in the game thread or via PM with other players. Private discussion is done at your own risk and should be treated as part of the game. 7. If you are dead, you may not post in thread or discuss the game with any of the players. Any information you had becomes void and may not be passed on. 8. You may not edit your posts. 9. Violation of any of the above rules will result in a vote penalty (1 for every 4 players alive) on the first two occasions and a mod-kill on the third. 10. You must post in every day thread. Failure to do so will result in a mod-kill or a replacement. 11. If you encounter a problem or have any further questions, feel free to contact me via PM.
Tariq j Posted August 3, 2015 Posted August 3, 2015 Hmm so no scum kill then? I guess the blocker must have got the right man.
Chromeknight Posted August 3, 2015 Posted August 3, 2015 And a kill bounced off the protector.... Or there weren't any kills for some reason.
Hinckley Posted August 3, 2015 Posted August 3, 2015 Night Action results are being interpreted... If Ragnvald could somehow hear us, I would hope he'd know not to give up on the game. He was just the victim of circumstance. Weird circumstances. If there is Scum left ... Well, they're unlucky.
Piratedave84 Posted August 3, 2015 Posted August 3, 2015 I have to say I'm quite surprised that Toki is still alive. He would have made a great VIG kill. Was the VIG blocked? As for the lack of second kill I'll echo the thoughts already voiced and say that either the protector or blocker had a part to play in this.
Lady K Posted August 3, 2015 Posted August 3, 2015 Night Action results are being interpreted... If Ragnvald could somehow hear us, I would hope he'd know not to give up on the game. He was just the victim of circumstance. Weird circumstances. If there is Scum left ... Well, they're unlucky. Why would you say "if there is Scum left...", if no scum was left we loyal would have won. So there has to be one to two scum left. I would also like to speculate that there may have not been a scum kill due to a recruitment last night. I remember another life where I was influenced by the darker path, and to recruit a new member no night kill could be conducted. It is a possibility we have to consider.
Hinckley Posted August 3, 2015 Posted August 3, 2015 Why would you say "if there is Scum left...", if no scum was left we loyal would have won. So there has to be one to two scum left. I would also like to speculate that there may have not been a scum kill due to a recruitment last night. I remember another life where I was influenced by the darker path, and to recruit a new member no night kill could be conducted. It is a possibility we have to consider. Yes, and the two other nights we didn't see a Scum kill. I believe that's been discussed. I know I brought it up the first time. And no, all the Scum being gone might not mean the Loyal win, if there's a Serial Killer.
Chromeknight Posted August 3, 2015 Posted August 3, 2015 I would also like to speculate that there may have not been a scum kill due to a recruitment last night. I remember another life where I was influenced by the darker path, and to recruit a new member no night kill could be conducted. It is a possibility we have to consider. So. I thought that but I don't anymore. Here's why: if the scum did have a conversion, they wouldn't talk about it. But they did, so they don't.
Hinckley Posted August 3, 2015 Posted August 3, 2015 The Scum have killed two people during this game...
TrumpetKing Posted August 3, 2015 Posted August 3, 2015 Well, I'm definitely surprised about Ragnvald, but we had to test the town block's reports. I have to say I'm quite surprised that Toki is still alive. He would have made a great VIG kill. Was the VIG blocked? As for the lack of second kill I'll echo the thoughts already voiced and say that either the protector or blocker had a part to play in this. I won't lie, I expected to be killed by now, especially given that Pudding-Head seems so insistent that I'm scum, and likely to be one of- if not the- last scum member. I don't know what's trying to be accomplished by that. The lack of both kills is definitely interesting. I doubt the protector and blocker got their targets mixed up, accidentally blocking the vig or protecting his target, especially with Pudding-Head guiding them with what to do, so it makes me wonder if, given the lack of kills from the apparent scum team for several days, they're just left with a blocker. But since when have the scum not inherited the kill after the killer dies? It's very puzzling.
Tariq j Posted August 3, 2015 Posted August 3, 2015 Do the scum Roleblockers inherit the kill anyway? Mafia Scum wiki doesn't imply or directly say the Roleblocker can inherit the kill, so you may be right there. This means there could have been a scum roleblock and a protector last night which were both successful.
Hinckley Posted August 3, 2015 Posted August 3, 2015 I would also like to speculate that there may have not been a scum kill due to a recruitment last night. I remember another life where I was influenced by the darker path, and to recruit a new member no night kill could be conducted. It is a possibility we have to consider. There is the possibility that what they said was true about their being one traitor to recall. Perhaps they use their kill to try and recall this person but they have to guess who it is. So, maybe we're seeing no kill because they're trying to figure out who to recall and are going through one at a time right now. They did say I made them waste their kill. And Toki did PM me to plant a seed about there being a traitor in the game. Maybe there's one Scum left, desperately trying to make it two Scum. Or maybe they succeeded last night. *Not use their kill to recall, but forego their kill to use a recall action. *Not Toki, Dar This theory makes me want to lynch Jafri.
Adam Posted August 3, 2015 Posted August 3, 2015 It can be extremely dangerous to speculate on how the host set up the game, but it's always bothered me that there doesn't appear to be a serial killer of some kind. It's very unusual to play a game these days without some kind of third party. There could be a more passive third party, like a lyncher, unlyncher, or survivor, but I find it hard to believe that they would've been able to fly under the radar for so long, being that we only have around 5 (probably fewer at this point) people unconfirmed. This is a long winded way of saying that I'm a lot more inclined to believe that there's a traitor in this game now. My worst-case speculation is that there's a traitor alive, as well as the godfather. This is a grim suggestion, and someone with knowledge of the town block can correct me if I'm making too many assumptions about its strength, but it seems to me that we have enough confirmed townies alive and few enough unconfirmed players that we can pick off the unconfirmed in order of how scummy they've been acting. If there's a traitor or a non-godfather scum, we'll probably get them, unless the town block has been infiltrated. If we don't, then we know that there's a godfather still in play, and things will get a lot more complicated. This theory makes me want to lynch Jafri. Why Jafri in particular? Not necessarily disagreeing. I think he's acted especially scummy since the start of the game, beyond the usual "fly under the radar and not contribute much" strategy. But why does the possibility of a traitor existing make you more inclined to suspect him?
TrumpetKing Posted August 3, 2015 Posted August 3, 2015 Yes, and the two other nights we didn't see a Scum kill. I believe that's been discussed. I know I brought it up the first time. And no, all the Scum being gone might not mean the Loyal win, if there's a Serial Killer. I don't know why I didn't see this earlier. It is worth bringing up that The Rules state we just need to kill all of the Corrupted. Third Parties and Serial Killers are not a worry, at least in terms of us winning. Why Jafri in particular? Not necessarily disagreeing. I think he's acted especially scummy since the start of the game, beyond the usual "fly under the radar and not contribute much" strategy. But why does the possibility of a traitor existing make you more inclined to suspect him? I'm wondering the same. I wouldn't necessarily be surprised if he's scum, as he seems to be invisible lately, but it is still a rather random name to bring up. My fears about Tarr and the scum's votes early on are still existent, but it seems unnatural as to why the scum would risk placing their votes on him in case he got caught.
Pandora Posted August 3, 2015 Posted August 3, 2015 Here's why: if the scum did have a conversion, they wouldn't talk about it. But they did, so they don't. I think I've missed it, but where did 'the scum' talk about conversions (and not a traitor)? I remember Munud talking about conversions lots, but he was Loyal. There is the possibility that what they said was true about their being one traitor to recall. But Cranebeinn is of the view that if the scum mentioned it, then it can't be true. Not that I disagree with you (or Cranebienn either, scum love to play WIFOM by talking and not talking about things); I'm coming around to the idea that there may be/have been a traitor, but I still think it's remarkably coincidental that there might be one after your initial comment on day one. I can't see that there would be conversions and a traitor. I think it's unlikely that there's multiple traitors, if indeed there are traitors at all, but I am willing to assume that, one way or another, the scum have been trying to add to their number. I agree with the possibility of there being a godfather, as that is one of the commonest roles in use. Whether they're still around or have been killed/lynched already is something we probably won't know until all this is over.
Chromeknight Posted August 3, 2015 Posted August 3, 2015 The read on Jafri is a product of going back over six days worth of thread. As has been pointed out, the list of people to be suspected is shrinking. Obviously I'm not going to list who isn't trusted, since that, by process of elimination gives who is trusted. In any case Jafri hasn't been the target of any actions (unlike Toki) and there is no evidence to support a town interpretation of the (few) post he has made in the day threads. Jafri's lynch should be relatively obvious. But the more important question is, if the scum are recruiting, who can they recruit? If they can recruit loyal (vanilla) Vikings then, yes some of our clears become suspect. But either way, they're down to a small handful and running out of places to hide. The biggest fear for them would be a vigilante, picking off them or their target. Their biggest ally then would be a serial killer who could hunt power roles (ie non recruitable dangerous Vikings) while they went about strengthening their numbers.
Adam Posted August 3, 2015 Posted August 3, 2015 The read on Jafri is a product of going back over six days worth of thread. As has been pointed out, the list of people to be suspected is shrinking. Obviously I'm not going to list who isn't trusted, since that, by process of elimination gives who is trusted. In any case Jafri hasn't been the target of any actions (unlike Toki) and there is no evidence to support a town interpretation of the (few) post he has made in the day threads. Jafri's lynch should be relatively obvious. But the more important question is, if the scum are recruiting, who can they recruit? If they can recruit loyal (vanilla) Vikings then, yes some of our clears become suspect. But either way, they're down to a small handful and running out of places to hide. The biggest fear for them would be a vigilante, picking off them or their target. Their biggest ally then would be a serial killer who could hunt power roles (ie non recruitable dangerous Vikings) while they went about strengthening their numbers. I think Pudding Head has fingers and the ability to type with them, doesn't he? In that case, he can answer my question himself. I can't see that there would be conversions and a traitor. I think it's unlikely that there's multiple traitors, if indeed there are traitors at all, but I am willing to assume that, one way or another, the scum have been trying to add to their number. I agree with the possibility of there being a godfather, as that is one of the commonest roles in use. Whether they're still around or have been killed/lynched already is something we probably won't know until all this is over. Agreed. There are unfortunately a lot of ways that this could play out - converter or no converter, traitor or no traitor, godfather or no godfather, third party or no third party - and I don't think that we can state with any confidence that one thing or another is true until the unconfirmed players are gone and we're left with either a conclusion or a whole lot of "townies." Pudding Head said that night action results are being interpreted, so I'll wait to hear what he comes back with. In the present absence of damning night results, I would support a lynch of Jafri, but only on the basis of my own suspicions of him, which I have voiced several times during this game.
CMP Posted August 3, 2015 Posted August 3, 2015 Hmm... Conversion or traitor, the scum have to be up to something. Their kills seem to have petered out, which is very strange.
Tariq j Posted August 3, 2015 Posted August 3, 2015 I don't know why I didn't see this earlier. It is worth bringing up that The Rules state we just need to kill all of the Corrupted. Third Parties and Serial Killers are not a worry, at least in terms of us winning. I'm wondering the same. I wouldn't necessarily be surprised if he's scum, as he seems to be invisible lately, but it is still a rather random name to bring up. My fears about Tarr and the scum's votes early on are still existent, but it seems unnatural as to why the scum would risk placing their votes on him in case he got caught. I still can't see why I am in the firing line here, you yourself were under very close scrutiny over the past few days, and had it not been for Dar's investigation result, you would have probably been lynched in Day Five.As for the scum voting for me - it just happened to be that way, Lambi clearly didn't want to look scummy by jumping on Brand's bandwagon at the last second, and as I had been very inactive that day, he used that as an excuse to vote for me. As for Dar, he appeared to have just given up at that point and just decided to vote for me.
JackJonespaw Posted August 3, 2015 Posted August 3, 2015 The read on Jafri is a product of going back over six days worth of thread. As has been pointed out, the list of people to be suspected is shrinking. Obviously I'm not going to list who isn't trusted, since that, by process of elimination gives who is trusted. In any case Jafri hasn't been the target of any actions (unlike Toki) and there is no evidence to support a town interpretation of the (few) post he has made in the day threads. The suspicion is honestly a product of my own absence and bad timing. Which, yea, I haven't been around much, but it's not exactly a super-strong lynch lead. Why would you say "if there is Scum left...", if no scum was left we loyal would have won. So there has to be one to two scum left. I would also like to speculate that there may have not been a scum kill due to a recruitment last night. I remember another life where I was influenced by the darker path, and to recruit a new member no night kill could be conducted. It is a possibility we have to consider. Can scum only recruit once per game?
Hinckley Posted August 3, 2015 Posted August 3, 2015 I think I've missed it, but where did 'the scum' talk about conversions (and not a traitor)? I remember Munud talking about conversions lots, but he was Loyal. But Cranebeinn is of the view that if the scum mentioned it, then it can't be true. Not that I disagree with you (or Cranebienn either, scum love to play WIFOM by talking and not talking about things); I'm coming around to the idea that there may be/have been a traitor, but I still think it's remarkably coincidental that there might be one after your initial comment on day one. I can't see that there would be conversions and a traitor. I think it's unlikely that there's multiple traitors, if indeed there are traitors at all, but I am willing to assume that, one way or another, the scum have been trying to add to their number. I agree with the possibility of there being a godfather, as that is one of the commonest roles in use. Whether they're still around or have been killed/lynched already is something we probably won't know until all this is over. As rambling as your thoughts are here, I have to fully admit, I thought the same things in the same order.
Hinckley Posted August 3, 2015 Posted August 3, 2015 Can scum only recruit once per game? Typically, yes. If we're to go by what was said on the anonymous writeboard I had with them, which is still mind-blowingly unprecedented, then they have one opportunity to recall a traitor but they have to figure out who that is. I still can't see why I am in the firing line here, you yourself were under very close scrutiny over the past few days, and had it not been for Dar's investigation result, you would have probably been lynched in Day Five.As for the scum voting for me - it just happened to be that way, Lambi clearly didn't want to look scummy by jumping on Brand's bandwagon at the last second, and as I had been very inactive that day, he used that as an excuse to vote for me. As for Dar, he appeared to have just given up at that point and just decided to vote for me. And why not suspect you. You were blocked on a night with two kills but the Scum have other actions besides kill. You could've been doing something that didn't have a visible effect. The read on Jafri is a product of going back over six days worth of thread. As has been pointed out, the list of people to be suspected is shrinking. Obviously I'm not going to list who isn't trusted, since that, by process of elimination gives who is trusted. In any case Jafri hasn't been the target of any actions (unlike Toki) and there is no evidence to support a town interpretation of the (few) post he has made in the day threads. Jafri's lynch should be relatively obvious. But the more important question is, if the scum are recruiting, who can they recruit? If they can recruit loyal (vanilla) Vikings then, yes some of our clears become suspect. But either way, they're down to a small handful and running out of places to hide. The biggest fear for them would be a vigilante, picking off them or their target. Their biggest ally then would be a serial killer who could hunt power roles (ie non recruitable dangerous Vikings) while they went about strengthening their numbers. Petr Half-Troll deserves as much, if not more, scrutiny.
Lady K Posted August 3, 2015 Posted August 3, 2015 Yes, and the two other nights we didn't see a Scum kill. I believe that's been discussed. I know I brought it up the first time. And no, all the Scum being gone might not mean the Loyal win, if there's a Serial Killer. Yes, I see what you are saying, but our rules don't say we win if the serial killer is dead....only scum......so I hope you aren't personally re-living a past life here in this life... I don't think we have a SK at this point unless our vig was taken out and the SK is pretending to be the vig, which could be dangerous depending on the win conditions.
Hinckley Posted August 4, 2015 Posted August 4, 2015 Yes, I see what you are saying, but our rules don't say we win if the serial killer is dead....only scum......so I hope you aren't personally re-living a past life here in this life... Yes, I tried to point that same thing out once in a game too...when I was the Serial Killer. It says third parties have their own win conditions.
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