Chromeknight Posted July 26, 2015 Posted July 26, 2015 I mean exactly what you say - in every game I've been in, at least that I can remember - the scum have always had at least some sort of a plan and structure. All of this idiotic behavior just doesn't sit well with me - it doesn't make sense. Maybe it's metagaming blinding me, but scum are usually more organized and better than they are now. Maybe. But there are counter examples in the great sagas. Recall the bedtime story your mother told you long ago. One of the characters there could best be described as Chaotic Evil. Lambi didn't have much chance to be idiotic. Jarl got weird, sure. But there was a sudden swing to lynch him. Which would've freaked him and driven the gamble to find the traitor. Mist was ... Well, Mencoty. so if they are organised, where do you see that organisation?
Dragonfire Posted July 26, 2015 Posted July 26, 2015 Oh well. Looks like the scum pulled a fast one on us by deleting Lodmund's Writeboard How are you so sure that this is the case?
MagPiesRUs Posted July 26, 2015 Author Posted July 26, 2015 You may now vote. With 13 players remaining, 7 votes are required to lynch.
Hinckley Posted July 26, 2015 Posted July 26, 2015 How are you so sure that this is the case? Why do you and Tar think that Lodmund, a proven Townie, would lie to us about anything?
Dannylonglegs Posted July 26, 2015 Posted July 26, 2015 I can't see why I am on the "silent" list of people, I've tried to be as active as possible over the last few days. Anyway, Lodmund not being scum is odd, but he was the most scummiest looking there, it now begs the question though was the conversation between him and Jarl real? I did group you with silent players because I don't have a solid town reading for you. I don't have a solid town reading for many people, but I am more suspicious of some than others, and some of the things you've said and the stances you've taken have put you on my "?" List. You seem to have omitted several names. Canute and Jafri for certain, and a few others. Well, I wouldn't believe anything Jarl said, but Lodmund wouldn't lie as town... slightly disturbed that you think so. Jari was indeed an omission, but I don't see Canute as being so silent. Maybe his submissions have stuck out more prominently to me due to the fact that he brings my name up every other time. No shit. Speaking of silent players, the first few hours of the day have passed. You can quit talking now and fade back into the woodwork as you usually do. Ah! There it is! So I have your permission now? Thanks! I really appreciate it! I'm going to Vote: Toki (TrumpetKing) for overall scummyness. He's been on my radar for more than half the game, and now, lacking a better idea, I'm going to cast my vote and see how he responds.
Tariq j Posted July 26, 2015 Posted July 26, 2015 I did group you with silent players because I don't have a solid town reading for you. I don't have a solid town reading for many people, but I am more suspicious of some than others, and some of the things you've said and the stances you've taken have put you on my "?" List. Jari was indeed an omission, but I don't see Canute as being so silent. Maybe his submissions have stuck out more prominently to me due to the fact that he brings my name up every other time. Ah! There it is! So I have your permission now? Thanks! I really appreciate it! I'm going to Vote: Toki (TrumpetKing) for overall scummyness. He's been on my radar for more than half the game, and now, lacking a better idea, I'm going to cast my vote and see how he responds. Fair enough, Toki certainly has been suspicious over the past few days, yet a lot of other players have been acting scummy as well. It still surprises me how we are 24+ hours into the day and yet there are still some players who haven't contributed at all yet, or contributed very little.
TrumpetKing Posted July 26, 2015 Posted July 26, 2015 Sad to see Lodmund turned up innocent. Anywhoo, I agree with pig man that Lord Duvors flipping town takes away most if the argument against Dar. not sure exactly where that leaves us, but I do think that looking into some of the more silent individuals may be prudent. Toki, tar, ragnvald, and KoTZ are all big "?"s to me. As I explained to Pudding-Head several days ago, my silence isn't damning. I agreed to this mission acknowledging that I would be much more silent than in the past. It's a gut feeling; are you concerned I named you? Why so defensive A "gut feeling" should not be used in the same light as a certainty, which is the tone you named your suspicions in. Especially with no elaboration on why you found them suspicious. All you said you think one of them has to be scum. I mean exactly what you say - in every game I've been in, at least that I can remember - the scum have always had at least some sort of a plan and structure. All of this idiotic behavior just doesn't sit well with me - it doesn't make sense. Maybe it's metagaming blinding me, but scum are usually more organized and better than they are now. But why is that something to complain about? It helps us as a town, and it's not like it adds anything new to the discussion. We already know the scum are being sloppy, though I'm more inclined to say "were" with the lynch of the town yesterday and no indicator of any scum results yet from an investigator. There's no real reason to complain about something that is bettering your odds of winning, unless it actually isn't. I'm going to Vote: Toki (TrumpetKing) for overall scummyness. He's been on my radar for more than half the game, and now, lacking a better idea, I'm going to cast my vote and see how he responds. I've been on a lot of people's radars. Unfortunately, other than Pudding-Head, I don't recall anybody else bringing up anything incriminating about me other than my activity, which as I said, was going to be low no matter what. Your lack of real elaboration on what specifically makes me "overall scummy" is concerning, and leaves me wondering where you could actually be aligned given the fact that you haven't been too much of an innocent seeming player yourself. Another concern of mine is this town block. With 13 players left, and no mention on the death status of the power roles, we are left with the 4 original power roles Pudding-Head claimed to be in contact with, assuming all 4 are alive, gives us 4 for-sure clears. 5 if Pudding-Head was cleared by investigation. Then, we have the investigation clears. The lack of mention of any result 24 hours into the day leads me to believe that it was an innocent result yet again, which rounds us out to 8 total clears, and 5 who aren't. 5 non-cleared people is a very slim number, and at this point there shouldn't be any reason to believe that we can't start using results from the power roles to our advantage to separate the scum from the town. With likely only 5 people not cleared, I am left afraid that there could be some people in this town block who are lying.
Dragonfire Posted July 26, 2015 Posted July 26, 2015 Why do you and Tar think that Lodmund, a proven Townie, would lie to us about anything? I don't think Lodmund was lying, I just thought that there might be some other explanation for the disappearance. I wasn't aware that writeboards could be deleted... Toki, are you trying to make us distrust the town block? What exactly are you trying to accomplish with that post?
Pandora Posted July 26, 2015 Posted July 26, 2015 If I was wrong about Lodmund, I must be wrong about Dar. I don't follow your logic. And neither did Lodmund yesterday: I don't see how that works if I'm scum, if I was presumed innocent then something like this: 'I am still disturbed that Dar seems to think the same way that the Scum responded on the writeboard. If Lodmund is Innocent, then Dar gave himself away by matching the way the conversation on the writeboard ended.' would make sense, but I don't see how what you've got here makes any. The other assumption Dar makes, as well as the Scum team–according to Lodmund–is that when I mention Duvors I am talking about him as the original three I knew about who contacted Jarl. For Dar or the Scum to jump to the conclusion that talking about Lodmund meant he was one of the three (who I never said were fake claims) was for them (and Dar) to know that only three people contacted the Scum. Well, all I can say is that I made an incorrect assumption of Pudding's post and developed a theory based on that. Have you considered the possibility that Lodmund read my post and decided to frame me by having the "Scum" make the same assumptions? No, I hadn't considered that. But seeing you choose this as your defense makes me more confident in my Scum-read of you. So now we know Lodmund wasn't trying to frame Dar, but you (Pudding) are saying that Dar must be town because Lodmund was? Sucks that Lord Duvors was Town. He did a really awful job of pulling a "sting". I must have missed it; what "sting" did Lodmund pull yesterday? One of those people is dead, Danr...... I know. But listing myself would be redundant, since I know I'm loyal. Oh wow. I totally misread what you said. I guess that means Kaufman is not on my list anymore! How did you misread what Canute said? It looks like you're replying to him saying something like "you should have listed yourself", when he quite clearly didn't say anything like that, and it would be very odd for you to know what he was going to say in advance, so how did you originally read his comment? Well Lodmund as town was a surprise to me, he was really acting very scummy yesterday with everything he said. Back to the Big Book... I see.
Tariq j Posted July 26, 2015 Posted July 26, 2015 Another concern of mine is this town block. With 13 players left, and no mention on the death status of the power roles, we are left with the 4 original power roles Pudding-Head claimed to be in contact with, assuming all 4 are alive, gives us 4 for-sure clears. 5 if Pudding-Head was cleared by investigation. Then, we have the investigation clears. The lack of mention of any result 24 hours into the day leads me to believe that it was an innocent result yet again, which rounds us out to 8 total clears, and 5 who aren't. 5 non-cleared people is a very slim number, and at this point there shouldn't be any reason to believe that we can't start using results from the power roles to our advantage to separate the scum from the town. With likely only 5 people not cleared, I am left afraid that there could be some people in this town block who are lying. What exactly concerns you? To have all 4 roles at this point is, if anything, excellent. The fact you think someone in the block is lying is worrying. There's no real reason to complain about something that is bettering your odds of winning, unless it actually isn't. In which case you've just contradicted yourself.
TrumpetKing Posted July 26, 2015 Posted July 26, 2015 Toki, are you trying to make us distrust the town block? What exactly are you trying to accomplish with that post? No, not at all. I was expressing a concern. There's a very good chance that we could be doing very well with this town block, and that it is legitimate. What's concerning is the seemingly lack of application with it in a time where we need to start utilising our results to lynch the scum. What exactly concerns you? To have all 4 roles at this point is, if anything, excellent. The fact you think someone in the block is lying is worrying. In which case you've just contradicted yourself. I didn't say having all 4 roles alive was bad at all. Having potentially 8 clears is outstanding. I brought up the possibility that some of them might not be telling the truth if they aren't going to use these roles to our advantage and just stay quiet, as this day has gone. So no, I didn't contradict myself. Also, I'm not sure what is so wrong about having a slight worry about the block when it hasn't been utilised. It's a legitimate concern when it comes down to the end of the game. Scum have infoltrated blocks before, it's not out of the realm of possibiities. I don't doubt the truth of the block, I just brought it up as a precautionary thought. I want to hear more from Pudding-Head about our numbers and whether my assessment on numbers was correct or not, and hopefully from that we can gather a better idea of who to look into and who strong lynch candidates are.
Pandora Posted July 26, 2015 Posted July 26, 2015 Another concern of mine is this town block. With 13 players left, and no mention on the death status of the power roles, we are left with the 4 original power roles Pudding-Head claimed to be in contact with, assuming all 4 are alive, gives us 4 for-sure clears. 5 if Pudding-Head was cleared by investigation. Then, we have the investigation clears. The lack of mention of any result 24 hours into the day leads me to believe that it was an innocent result yet again, which rounds us out to 8 total clears, and 5 who aren't. 5 non-cleared people is a very slim number, and at this point there shouldn't be any reason to believe that we can't start using results from the power roles to our advantage to separate the scum from the town. With likely only 5 people not cleared, I am left afraid that there could be some people in this town block who are lying. Toki, your repeated questioning about what is or isn't going on with the town block is worrisome. It has been highlighted as fishing before, and still it continues. You say you are concerned there may be someone in the town block who is lying, which is why you keep asking, however anyone in such a town block would have to be utterly brain-dead not to wonder if someone else were lying. It is normal for people to worry that they are being manipulated, so I don't see why you feel the need to focus on it. This has afforded me the opportunity to review a few more of your contributions. If you read yesterday, I did address your mentioning of my vote. Quickly, but I did. It was not enough to make me solidly feel committed that you were scum, though. That's why I waited until today, as well as didn't vote for you yesterday. And the need to mention what Tarden says is a completely irrelevant topic, because I should be saying the same thing, which is that you are definitely scum. Even if I WAS scum, I should be saying that. I remember this at the time. I could not understand why you had apparently campaigned so vehemently in private (and then public) against Pudding without voting for him. You did indeed vote for Pudding, but then it all got better after a little chat and it was apparently Tarben's fault for "blowing things out of proportion". And again the comment "even if I WAS scum" is most unsettling. and I won't lie, with the way Tarben was stirring things up, his coming up loyal came to me as a surprise as well, though I more suspected him to be a Third-Party rather than a full-fledged corrupted member. I completely missed this the first time, but this really reads to me like you knew he wasn't "full-fledged corrupted member" and therefore your only explanation was that he might be a neutral. That's scum perspective. That last point is enough for me to vote for you for alone, so I too will Vote: Toki (Trumpetking). That does not mean I don't expect responses to the questions and points I raised earlier.
TrumpetKing Posted July 26, 2015 Posted July 26, 2015 Toki, your repeated questioning about what is or isn't going on with the town block is worrisome. It has been highlighted as fishing before, and still it continues. You say you are concerned there may be someone in the town block who is lying, which is why you keep asking, however anyone in such a town block would have to be utterly brain-dead not to wonder if someone else were lying. It is normal for people to worry that they are being manipulated, so I don't see why you feel the need to focus on it. This has afforded me the opportunity to review a few more of your contributions. I remember this at the time. I could not understand why you had apparently campaigned so vehemently in private (and then public) against Pudding without voting for him. You did indeed vote for Pudding, but then it all got better after a little chat and it was apparently Tarben's fault for "blowing things out of proportion". And again the comment "even if I WAS scum" is most unsettling. I completely missed this the first time, but this really reads to me like you knew he wasn't "full-fledged corrupted member" and therefore your only explanation was that he might be a neutral. That's scum perspective. That last point is enough for me to vote for you for alone, so I too will Vote: Toki (Trumpetking). That does not mean I don't expect responses to the questions and points I raised earlier. Well there seem to be some people who are putting all of their trust into this town block, especially Tarr, so I still think it was a viable concern. As for the Pudding-Head scenario, I've explained several times that it was a communication error. I spoke to Tarben once about how something seemed off. That was it. He then relayed that to Pudding-Head saying I was strongly campaigning for his lynch, which was not the case at all. Once again, I merely expressed a slight concern, and left it at that. Also, how exactly did that last statement read as if I knew about Tarben's role? I pretty clearly said I suspected him to be a Third Party, and not corrupted.
Hinckley Posted July 27, 2015 Posted July 27, 2015 Well, this is going nowhere fast vote: Dar (Dragonfire) He's Scum, according to the investigator.
Lady K Posted July 27, 2015 Posted July 27, 2015 Good job to our investigator! Vote: Dar (Dragonfire)
MagPiesRUs Posted July 27, 2015 Author Posted July 27, 2015 Vote Count Toki (Trumpetking): 2 votes (Dannylonglegs, Pandora) Dar (Dragonfire): 2 votes (Hinckley, Lady K) 7 votes are required to lynch. 36 hours remain in the day.
Chromeknight Posted July 27, 2015 Posted July 27, 2015 Vote: Dar (Dragonfire) Do I even need a reason other than investigated?
Piratedave84 Posted July 27, 2015 Posted July 27, 2015 Well, this is going nowhere fast vote: Dar (Dragonfire) He's Scum, according to the investigator. I'm litterally rolling on the floor laughing ... We're going to be 4 in 5; scum must be PISSED! Vote: Dar (Dragonfire) In your opinions, are we looking at 4 or 5 scum in this situation? Could Dar be the last one?
Ranger of the Forest Posted July 27, 2015 Posted July 27, 2015 Well there seem to be some people who are putting all of their trust into this town block, especially Tarr, so I still think it was a viable concern. As for the Pudding-Head scenario, I've explained several times that it was a communication error. I spoke to Tarben once about how something seemed off. That was it. He then relayed that to Pudding-Head saying I was strongly campaigning for his lynch, which was not the case at all. Once again, I merely expressed a slight concern, and left it at that. Also, how exactly did that last statement read as if I knew about Tarben's role? I pretty clearly said I suspected him to be a Third Party, and not corrupted. Where else are we supposed to put our trust? It’s a little weird how you seem hesitant to support a town block that has been pretty effective for us, the town, so far. Not to say that they’re infallible, but frankly they’re our best shot at rooting out the scum. Also, when you said that you suspected him to be third party and not a corrupted, it made it sound like you knew that he couldn’t be a corrupted because you were one yourself. If you are town, I hope you can understand why that would sound a little off. If you’re not, well, try harder next time Well, this is going nowhere fast vote: Dar (Dragonfire) He's Scum, according to the investigator. Well that simplifies things. Vote: Dar (Dragonfire) I’ve never had a strong read on you either way, but it would be foolish to not trust in the investigator’s results when we’re so close to wiping out all of the scum.
Hinckley Posted July 27, 2015 Posted July 27, 2015 Another concern of mine is this town block. With 13 players left, and no mention on the death status of the power roles, we are left with the 4 original power roles Pudding-Head claimed to be in contact with, assuming all 4 are alive, gives us 4 for-sure clears. 5 if Pudding-Head was cleared by investigation. Then, we have the investigation clears. The lack of mention of any result 24 hours into the day leads me to believe that it was an innocent result yet again, which rounds us out to 8 total clears, and 5 who aren't. 5 non-cleared people is a very slim number, and at this point there shouldn't be any reason to believe that we can't start using results from the power roles to our advantage to separate the scum from the town. With likely only 5 people not cleared, I am left afraid that there could be some people in this town block who are lying. You are forgetting that one block and a kill missing led us to the lynch of Mist. Then there was only one kill last night and it was the vig (unless the vig is dead and I'm talking to a Serial Killer). So the protector or blocker did their job, didn't they? Would you like me to announce which of the power roles have been killed? So you know which ones you and the remaining Scum have to worry about on what could be your last night? I don't know what you would possibly hope to accomplish by trying to undermine a very successful Town block. What if there never was a tracker and I just said that to get the Power Roles to trust me and work with me? I'm not saying that's true, I'm just taunting the Scum. I don't follow your logic. And neither did Lodmund yesterday: Sorry. I knew Dar was Scum and I was trying to get him to let his guard down to see if he would slip up. No, not at all. I was expressing a concern. There's a very good chance that we could be doing very well with this town block, and that it is legitimate. What's concerning is the seemingly lack of application with it in a time where we need to start utilising our results to lynch the scum. I didn't say having all 4 roles alive was bad at all. Having potentially 8 clears is outstanding. I brought up the possibility that some of them might not be telling the truth if they aren't going to use these roles to our advantage and just stay quiet, as this day has gone. So no, I didn't contradict myself. Also, I'm not sure what is so wrong about having a slight worry about the block when it hasn't been utilised. It's a legitimate concern when it comes down to the end of the game. Scum have infoltrated blocks before, it's not out of the realm of possibiities. I don't doubt the truth of the block, I just brought it up as a precautionary thought. I want to hear more from Pudding-Head about our numbers and whether my assessment on numbers was correct or not, and hopefully from that we can gather a better idea of who to look into and who strong lynch candidates are. Before I announced the Scum result on your Scum buddy, Dar, you had two examples of the Town block catching or thwarting Scum. And now you're trying to undermine the Town block or asking them to announce their results. Both are Scummy. I completely missed this the first time, but this really reads to me like you knew he wasn't "full-fledged corrupted member" and therefore your only explanation was that he might be a neutral. That's scum perspective. Such a good call.
TrumpetKing Posted July 27, 2015 Posted July 27, 2015 Well, this is going nowhere fast He's Scum, according to the investigator. Thank you. This was all I wanted to hear, some sign that we have some sort of result. Vote Dar (Dragonfire) Where else are we supposed to put our trust? It’s a little weird how you seem hesitant to support a town block that has been pretty effective for us, the town, so far. Not to say that they’re infallible, but frankly they’re our best shot at rooting out the scum. Also, when you said that you suspected him to be third party and not a corrupted, it made it sound like you knew that he couldn’t be a corrupted because you were one yourself. If you are town, I hope you can understand why that would sound a little off. If you’re not, well, try harder next time I'm not saying we shouldn't trust them yet. They're all we have. However, I think it's important to remain cautious. I wasn't saying we should never trust a town block. My statement was meant to be more of a comment on how nothing had come up after 24 hours regarding any results, which left me a little concerned about the honesty of some members of the block. We now, however, have a result to work with, which will help not only lower the amount of uncleared players, but also help with the block's reliability.
Hinckley Posted July 27, 2015 Posted July 27, 2015 I'm not saying we shouldn't trust them yet. They're all we have. However, I think it's important to remain cautious. I wasn't saying we should never trust a town block. My statement was meant to be more of a comment on how nothing had come up after 24 hours regarding any results, which left me a little concerned about the honesty of some members of the block. We now, however, have a result to work with, which will help not only lower the amount of uncleared players, but also help with the block's reliability. From thinking I'm Scum because I was asking you too many questions to thinking that there's a leak in the Town block because you weren't told who to vote for...all of your actions in this game so far have been Scummy.
TrumpetKing Posted July 27, 2015 Posted July 27, 2015 You are forgetting that one block and a kill missing led us to the lynch of Mist. Then there was only one kill last night and it was the vig (unless the vig is dead and I'm talking to a Serial Killer). So the protector or blocker did their job, didn't they? Would you like me to announce which of the power roles have been killed? So you know which ones you and the remaining Scum have to worry about on what could be your last night? I don't know what you would possibly hope to accomplish by trying to undermine a very successful Town block. What if there never was a tracker and I just said that to get the Power Roles to trust me and work with me? I'm not saying that's true, I'm just taunting the Scum. Sorry. I knew Dar was Scum and I was trying to get him to let his guard down to see if he would slip Before I announced the Scum result on your Scum buddy, Dar, you had two examples of the Town block catching or thwarting Scum. And now you're trying to undermine the Town block or asking them to announce their results. Both are Scummy. Such a good call. I never asked you to share any roles or identities. I wanted to hear about results because the day was seemingly silent. Even you've kept your mouth shut today. I even specifically said I wanted you to come back with results, because you've been the mouthpiece for the power roles. I won't argue with the sucessfulness of the block, as you've been a hugely reliable member of this town so far, but it seemed unbelievable to me that by Day 5, a day which, given how successful we have been, could give us the win with the information we have, was so dry of anything.
Dragonfire Posted July 27, 2015 Posted July 27, 2015 WHAT??? There's something wrong with your investigator, Pudding. Are you reaction testing or what?!
Tariq j Posted July 27, 2015 Posted July 27, 2015 Well Whoever the Investigator is good job I'm on my phone right now which can't embolden text so hopefully this counts. Vote:Dar (Dragonfire)
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