Rick

If Dufa's scum, why am I? I've been pointing out how suspicious his reasons for wanting to lynch Sigrid were ever since the start of day two. I seem to remember there was someone who agreed with his reasons though. That would be you, my dear Snotty. Also, you seem really sure Dufa's going to turn up scum.

Let's keep it that way then. For someone who doesn't know how to lead a scum team, you sure made a lot of comments about what you thought the Servants would and wouldn't allow. I think I've made my suspicions of Dufa clear, especially yesterday. Vote: Dufa the Godless (def) Why are you assuming it's because he shared his role? If Dufa's a Servant, I bet he's telling them to not try and save him (despite him saying he doesn't know how to run a scum team), because there is no real arguing against a night action result. So, yet again, I doubt today's voting pattern is going to be very useful. A bit nervous we're on to you? It wouldn't surprise me if I've been married to a serial killer for all these years.

Nope. Sorry, the rules are pretty clear on that.

It's a stupid way to share your results, but it's definitely the most solid lead we have.

Very technically interpreted that's what it means, yes. The rule is there so you don't have to worry about going a stud outside of your 16 x 16 base with, for example, a roof, flag or tree branch.

One-shot, ok, but do you think he was confident enough to use his action on night one? If we have a compulsive vig, why would he claim and make himself a target instead of taking out Wilhalm himself (he can kill after all) at night? Yes, if the SK targeted Wilhalm, which I doubt he did, as I explained earlier. I agree with you on that. I have no idea. SKs generally blend in relatively easily.

So, what did we learn? It's likely Mursi is Einherjar. I agree, it's likely, and I said so before. But that's about it. And because I clearly wasn't pre-empting Sigrid coming up a Servant today, you now think I'm the SK?

... or was it convenient that the town (possible scum tell emphasised, even though you did that yourself) did that for you? This is what I've been saying all along. It looks like the Servants were trying to keep us focused on the day one suspects, which is preventing progress, especially considering we didn't lynch yesterday. Wasn't that list based on the idea that the Servants were trying to save a possibly scummy Sigrid on day one and trying to get a lynch on Naemr, someone who Gofraid believed to be Einherjar, on day two? Knowing that Sigrid was Einherjar, the Servants had a relatively easy day one and I think it's likely they spread their votes. I remember Dufa and Snotra being suspicious of him on day one. They dropped the case against him in favour of Mursi on night one though. You think the vig would have claimed to get Wilhalm lynched? If Wilhalm was protected, it could mean the SK targeted him last night. It would still not lead us to the SK though. So, why are you suggesting the protector comes forward? Also, if the SK targeted Wilhalm and he was protected, that would make last night's kills the Servant's and the vig's. Considering Wilhalm has a small chance of catching the SK and considering he was a likely target for a watcher last night, I doubt the SK would target him though. This is also why I asked how Dagstyrr expected Wilhalm to prove himself last night. Everyone knows using "us" is a town tell. ( ) You're starting to sound like Wilhalm. Before I forget: Baulf's contributions are useless and yours aren't any better.

The 3 x 3 "cross" plate is clearly visible in the high-res pictures of 41039 Sunshine Ranch and I bet the white corner tile is used on the corners of the barn.

I think it's clear they initially planned this as a one-off set, instead of an annual release. They managed to cram so much stereotypically Christmas stuff into that one set.

Because it was your response to this post by Patrekr, which was about Wilhalm's response to Naemr.

Only a couple of weeks until Christmas and what better way to get into the Holiday spirit than to enter the Expand the Winter Village Contest? You have a little more than three weeks to get in your entry, so get building! Be sure to read the rules in the Town forum.

I assume you didn't get a chance to be around? How do you think he can prove himself? Chances are he's not going to find the SK tonight. I'm not saying you shouldn't use any information you can get from yesterday's lynch. I just don't see the conclusive evidence we'll get from it. I agree with you that it seems likely that Mursi is Einherjar if Sigrid turns up Einherjar. The Servants, knowing two Einherjar were on the chopping block, could easily spread out over the two bandwagons in that case. What if she turns out to be a Servant? Are you going to conclude Mursi is too? Would a Servant step up to defend a fellow Servant to stop a bandwagon on her (considering the risk the lynch would go through anyway)? Did you consider the possibility that the Servants knew it was likely she was going to drop out yesterday and decided to not put any effort into saving her at all? And what about the rest of the voters for the two candidates? I doubt the Servants would all jump on Petr's bandwagon and risk exposing themselves, considering the risk of us finding out Sigrid's affiliation (from yesterday's lynch if it had gone through, a (vig) kill, or her dropping out). I understand how this is going to sound to you from someone who voted for Petr yesterday though. You think Naemr's Einherjar and "think it can go either way" at the same time? I know it seems like I'm dissecting everything you say, but what do you think about Naemr affiliation? And where did you expect more evidence to come from? You realise you can't trust someone you clear of being the SK, right? So, did you chose Gofraid because you suspected him of being the SK or did you try to clear him, as you seem to suggest? You may remember I had a discussion with Lefsi about this before, but he doesn't seem to see why it's ridiculous. In Naemr's case, there was nothing for Wilhalm to defend him from or back him up on, as no one had responded to Naemr's statement yet before Wilhalm posted. Bussing? I thought you said you suspected Wilhalm for defending him/backing him up?

It has gotten awfully quiet in here. Baulf and Dagstyrr, your non-participation is getting annoying. Dagstyrr, you're normally a lot more active and it's getting suspicious. I'm going for a little nap soon and I doubt I can be back before this day ends. I don't think Sisco's lynch or inevitable death by other means will give us anything conclusive on other vikings and I just don't see what makes her so suspicious to some. Lefsi's "slipups" still don't sit well with me and Wilhalm hasn't really explained why he choose Gofraid as a target to "clear" last night. I also don't understand why he claimed relatively early, earlier today. Furthermore, Psych is a convenient claim for a Servant to make. I agree with Wary's analysis of Naemr's contributions. It seems like he's desperately trying to justify his comment at the start of day one and in a lot of his posts he only seems concerned with getting people of his back. I think he's our best bet for nailing a Servant today. Vote: Naemr Sledgehammer (Captain Nemo) At the current pace, I doubt anyone will get convicted today and, while I understand the fear of convicting another Einherjar, I'm also afraid we won't make any progress if we don't start voting.

Yes, I said so when you asked about my suspicions this morning.

True. As people have said, a non-lynch could be beneficial to the Servants. At the same time you want to lynch Sigrid because you expect the Servants wanted to protect her from the lynch by voting for Petr. Sigrid may or may not be a Servant, but I doubt we'll learn much about other people's affiliations from knowing her's. The way to participate is not by sharing facts, it's by posting your thoughts, replying to thoughts other people bring up, etc. If you truly are the Psych, you haven't done us a big favour by sharing concrete facts, i.e. claiming. Why did you chose to "clear" someone, instead of targeting someone you expected to be the SK? Did you or did you not suspect Gofraid of being the SK? I said I don't see what makes her look so scummy in your eyes. I never said she couldn't be a Servant. You're not new to these kinds of situations and you really should, and probably do, know better than to suggest that the new vikings are the Servants. It's not about your initial statement, which was unhelpful, but about your crazy justification for it. Right... you're very helpful with this attitude.

As Wary pointed out, it should be obvious you're paying attention. It looks like you were trying hard to blend in and change your vote to not stand out "if the consensus shifted"... on someone you knew was Einherjar? The vote for Naemr and subsequent unvoting and dropping the hammer on Petr is starting to look like an attempt to appear to not be paying too much attention. I get the feeling he is paying attention though and is trying to appear Einherjar by not participating much (after all: "A Servant would have been pushed to participate by now."). I think it's been pointed out that the Servants would have also gained from the uncertainty created by a no lynch yesterday. It's hardly a necessity for the Servants to lynch on day 1, if it allows them to blend in with the crowd more, especially when there possibly are two Einherjar on the chopping block and the confusion carries over to day 2. Ensuring the latter is exactly what you seem to be doing. I don't think we'll learn a lot about others from Sigrid's affiliation, that's true. You see the trouble you have in coming up in concluding anything about Mursi from Sigrid's affiliation. Why didn't you say so earlier? That's not speculation, that's BS. You should know better than that. You trying to explain it away is only making it look more suspicious. Why would you want to signal you're the Psych at all? You wanted to "clear" Gofraid? Did you suspect him of being the SK or did you want to clear him? Because, with your claimed role, going for people you like to clear is a very bad strategy, as they might still be Servants.

This didn't really make sense to me, but it seems to be some old Norse Fanglish dialect. "I am trying to help or look to claim to help" = I'm trying to appear/claim to be helpful? "Nothing is absolute unless proven guilty, so in my own capacity, I refuse to take this lying down..." = You can't call me scummy, unless you have the proof to back it up and until then I won't confess to being a Servant?

Please make sure you have a maximum of 16 x 16 studs in baseplate(s) in your entry. If you want to place minifigures outside of this space, you'll have to make sure they don't fall over by other means.

Not really, but that's probably because I don't quite follow why "Sigrid = likely scum". You'd rather vote for someone who's quiet instead of someone who is "very suspicious". There were two things that struck me as odd around Gofraid's vote for Petr. I wonder what could have changed your mind at that point and who you would have voted for instead. In the same post you indicate Sigrid would be an "unproductive lynch", so I doubt that was an option for you. It seems a little redundant to say you're "not sure" about your vote. It'd be weird if you were sure, wouldn't it? I'm trying to make sense of Dufa's and Snotra's behaviour and one (or both) of them being a Servant could explain why they're so focused on Sigrid, irrespective of whether Sigrid's a Servant or Einherjar. I'm still suspicious of Lefsi and I can relate to what you're saying about Gofraid and what people seem to see in Wilhalm's reactions today.

It's possible that, if you're a Servant, you knew they were all Einherjar and were trying to make sure we either got a Einherjar lynched or no lynch at all. It could also explain why you want to get Sigrid lynched today. It'd be nice if Sigrid could be bothered to participate, but so far I don't have a lot to base an opinion on. I still think he's acted a lot more suspicious than someone who hasn't acted at all. Why aren't you voting for him if you think he's "very suspicious"? There isn't a one-on-one link between Sigrid's and Mursi's affiliation, so - irrespective of Sigrid's affiliation - it won't tell us anything conclusive on Mursi. Yet, you and Duffman seem set on getting Sigrid the Silent lynched. In both cases, there was no reason whatsoever to back anyone up, so I really don't think Wilhalm's or Wary's affiliation will tell us anything about Naemr's or Dufa's. Indeed, it seems unlikely a scum team would be ok with her non-participation. Or... they have decided to take advantage of the situation and bus her to build up some credibility. The thought has crossed my mind that this is what Dufa and/or Snotra might be attempting to do.

I still have a hard time believing a scum team would have allowed her to act that way, unless she didn't consult them at all or they had already given up on her. We catch the Servants by talking, putting a little pressure on people, positing explanations and gauging people's reactions to them. As others have pointed out, so far you're just stating the obvious. For the record: There were two blade kills on most nights the last time we were in this hall and neither of them were the vigilante. But I'm not going to read anything into the MOs at this point, because we all know Loki likes to mess with our minds. Yet you'd rather talk about the "concrete" information we have. I don't see the MOs as anything concrete at all, but since you seem to think so, what's the conclusion you come to based on your analysis? Don't forget that if Sigrid's a Servant, there may have been people on her bandwagon trying to bus her relatively early when her lynch seemed likely. That would make the "late switchers" suspicious to me. If she's Einherjar, it's much harder to draw any conclusions from the vote as the Servants were likely just trying to blend in and let us decide if we were going to get someone lynched or not. As has been pointed out already, there was a lot to be gained from a no lynch on day 1 as well.

Just make one more posts and those restrictions will be lifted.

No, if the flagpoles are positioned within the maximum dimensions and the pictures come out better with the flags "overhanging" by more than 1 stud, I'd say leave it as it is. They're not "structurally" out by more than one stud after all.

Vote away!