Lulu Pittoolo
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Coo! Coo! Belinda knew the Vigilante, who had earlier expressed his supicions about her, and was killed by the scum. I doubt Helena told anyone else, and we have no proof he himself told anyone but Helena. Furthermore, she was one of the first to hop on the Barkonius Bandwagon, which I realized makes sense for the scum, because Belinda apparently already knew soem of the roles, and Helena telling her the vig's name in private would ensure he wasn't protected (as did lynching the protector). We still haven't lynched any scum, which makes me believe that the town has been played by the scum all along. And, in my opinion, one of those who played us was Belinda. Also, yesterday she suggested to keep the SK alive instead of vig-killing him (luckily Loony didn't listen to her): Why would she want to do that? I agreed about lynching an OE over the SK, but only because I wanted Helena vig-killed. But why keep the SK alive? Simply... ...because the scum don't have to kill them. So, no reason for them to let an extra night kill go to waste Thus, I vote: Belinda Bugglesby Coo! Coo! Coo!
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Ribbit! Ribbit! Care to elaborate? What exactly makes you think I'm scum? And how exactly could we have known she was able to kill with a toaster? In hindsight, we know Barkonius is town and Helena was able to kill a townie, and that's bad. But we didn't yesterday, and if Helena had not killed, there'd be absolutely no benefit to the town from lynching her first.
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Chirrup, chirrup! What a bad night. I guess it's fair to assume we are on the brink of losing this to the scum, so it's vital we lynch scum today. I'm worried that the scum may have known the identity of the vig. Sure, they may have gotten lucky, but I think there were better scum targets than Looney yesterday. So it's unfortunately possible that they knew the vig. We know Helena knew the vigilante, as did Belinda. We don't know if Helena told it someone else, Belinda claims she didn't. However, Helena's entire leverage was that she wouldn't tell anyone other than "the town", whoever she meant by that. So, what am I driving at? Looney, our vig said yesterday he didn't trust Belinda, who knew his identity and today he is dead. That doesn't mean Belinda has to be scum. But she and Panck (for the obvious reason that it was either Panck or Barkonius yesterday) are my two main suspects for now.
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Hee haw! Hee haw! I actually meant you be that "he". As in, "Drub seems less scummy, and Barkonius has confirmed". Hee haw!
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Well, that didn't count, so: Unvote: Helena Hippopaw Vote: Barkonius Twitch Oo-oo! Oo-oo-oo!
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Okay, that's the situation: Helena is neutral, and either Panck or Barkonius is scum. In theory, it doesn't matter if Helena is lynched and Barkonius vig-killed or vice versa, because the effect is the same: Both are dead. But the scum are more likely to have a protector amongst them, and if Barkonius is the blocker, he definitely will be able to block tonight. And the scum know our protector. Helena definitely won't have a scum doc protecting her. Bawk, bawk!
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Hissssssssssss Wow, what a strange situation. I was convinced that lynching Helena was our best path of action, but seeing as we have two protector claims, and that Helena was blocked, it's fairly safe to assume that one of them is scum. I agree that Panck has been the one who was less scummy, and he seems to confirm that Helena isn't lying to us again. Which means, either today or tomorrow we will be able to lynch scum. That's a very reassuring thing to learn. That said, I'll just Unvote: Helena and Vote: Barkonius Twitch If I'm counting right, Barkonius is leading now. I hope our vig does the right thing and kills Helena tonight. She's still third party, and she has to die. But scum are more important.
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Purrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. Wow, I...didn't quite expect this. I feel like we're playing chicken without a steering wheel. As others have pointed out, the overlords won't let Helena be rendered useless if her partner dies. It's possible that she will recruit someone else tonight as the new Water Bearer, which explains why she works so hard to survive just another day (because let's be honest: even if we don't lynch her, the vig will take her out tonight). I figure the town could just block/vig-kill her - assuming we have a blocker and that Helena tells the truth about the vig being still alive - but if the scum has a watcher, we'd give away two of our actions that way. Of course, lynching Helena might give away three of our actions...if Helena actually reveals everyone who claimed to her and she actually tells the truth when she does. The point is, if she actually is lynched, there is no reason for her to not lie to us about the actions. Which means, the scum still have to deal with the insecurity: Helena has as much reason to thirst for revenge on the scum as she has to take vengeance against us, meaning that she might give the scum a free buffet, or just lie about the town power roles and lure them into a trap. That's gonna be a tough call, isn't it, scum? (I know you are listening) So, with that said, I'd like to vote: Helena Hippopaw Purr
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Meh, meh! So, you really are 100% sure? As in, really 100% sure, not the way Helena was 100% sure Purplonia was town? Helena said the SK was blocked, and Ariattny said she was visited by the Water Bearer, which sounds like they were successful. I can see why Ariattny would think the Water Bearer was Purplonia, though. But that would imply Helena has been lying to us. Again I have to say, I am thoroughly confused by everything that happened. Helena said she knew Pruplonia was town, yet today she claims she knew she was the SK. So she lied. But why would a townie lie to save the SK, she herself has admitted the SK didn't choose their target based on scummyness. But why would scum lie to protect the SK either? And who targeted Helena? Eh, I can't make a judgement about who is scum and who is town with so many questions left unanswered. Meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh!
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Crah, Lulu wants a cracker, crah! yes, that's an animal sound and not an overused cliché I agree that most likely one of the two is scum, and I still am more suspicious of Godric than I am of Purplonia. I don't know why you are so sure he's town, but I am willing to believe you know what you do. The fact that the votes got split so neatly reeks of a scum play, and if Godric turns up scum tomorrow, we'll have to take a close look at those who initiated the nigh-successful bandwagon on Purplonia, especially Getrude. Should Godric, against all odds, turn up town, I think we might want to lynch Purplonia, just to see if Helena hasn't been messing with us. It would be an unconservative tactic for a scum player, but I haven't seen anything that actually clears Helena and with seven townies down, it's possible that the scum might get cocky. Not to mention that long streaks of failed lynches are usually a sign of the scum infiltrating the town... But for now, I'll keep my vote on Godric. I'm fairly confident we are doing the right thing, but I don't want to get caught off-guard.
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Chirp, chirp, chirp! I'm not sure what to make out of this whole Purplonia vs. Gertrude case; Purplonia has pinged me nonetheless. Getrude has been leading lynches, and while they killed town members, it's usually not a scummy thing to do. Also, Purplonia has yet to cast her vote, while Getrude was far more decisive. Purplonia basically calls Getrude suspicious and in the same sentence says that she doesn't want to accuse her. It's also weird that she wanted to clear the accusation behind the scenes, instead of defending herself in-thread. That sounds like she doesn't want to draw any attention, which is what a scum member would want to do. I'd like to keep concentrating on Godric today, but tomorrow, if nothing else comes up, Purplonia might make a good lynch.
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Hoo-hoo! Hoo-hoo! Rutherford and Helena are both having good points against Godric; I earlier stated my suspicions against him, and his defense... was rather wishy-washy. I still find it odd that he is certain there is a scum protector, I have rarely seen it so far (checking back, out of the last three games one actually had one). Recruiters are more common, sure, but we haven't seen a lack of scum kills so far, which usually accompanies a conversion. Then of course there is the fact he quickly changed from Wong being town to being certain he is not, and he mentioned him being neutral several times. Also, with his 20 comments he's neither too quiet nor too out-spoken. I don't want to repeat all the acusations against him right now, others have already done that. We have already lost seven loyal members of the Order of the Penis, it's time we make up our minds and finally nail a scum member. I've got a good felling about this case Vote: Godric Goaty-Blather Hoo-hoo!
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Squaaaaack! Did I say that? I'm pretty sure I never said that. I'm very sure I didn't even talk to you. Did you just put words I didn't say in my quote? Please don't do that, it creeps me out. And it's scummy. Squaaaaaaaak! Oh, you were replying to Bearbutt. Get your quotes right Squaaaaak!
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Skraw! Skraw! Damn it, I thought Wong was scum I can't imagine Krup be targeted by either scum or third party, so I figure his death was the work of a vigilante. We've seen the spell which killed Boris used on Flabflom before, probably a scum kill; that would make the toaster the work of an SK, I guess. Catalina has been pinging me yesterday, and there have been quieter people, which makes me wonder if the SK is trying to work with the town...I still would lynch them given the chance nevertheless. Well, with Wong dead and townie (albeit not a very useful one anyway), we have to look into new people. Currently I'm inclined to follow Helena on Godric, especially because of this. It's just ridiculous. He entirely disregards the facts that a multiple-shot gladiator is broken or that we could just vote a scum member off if they abuse the action regularly. He seems rather sure the scum can recruit, too, even though there was a scum kill every night so far and there was no hint of a conversion He also appears to be sure the scum have a protector, which isn't too common (not too rare either, but still) . There were better reasons to vote for Wong, but he didn't even mention them. Another fact is that he mentioned Wong possibly being neutral multiple times. Almost like he knew Wong wasn't going to flip scum. And was discussing with his scum buddies that he might be neutral He also calls Orion out for "defending Wong", even though he just pointed out obvious flaws in Godric's lynch rationalization. There's also the fact he was quick to go from "I think Wong is town" to "I think he is either scum or neutral", but we talked about this before. Another person on my suspect list is Twatty Tweedlesteen, he also changed his opinion on Wong rather quick, but at least he gave a reason. What I find odd, though, is how he repeadedly accused Helena of trying to get people to lynch Godric for her own benefit (looking back, it's hard to see what Helena would have gained; if she is town and Godric is too, how does that help her? If she is scum, it's just unecessary attention, even more so now that we know Wong was town). At the same time he sounded like he half-assedly agreed with her, but argued that it's too late to try. Weird. Skraw!
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Why not? Sure, late in the game it's likely to condemn the scum gladiator who uses it, but I already mentioned that yesterday was day one and people were not very consistent, and it effectively saved Wong's life. At least for one more day, as long as Wong doesn't get of the hook, but if someothing else had come up today, Wong would be fine and dandy by now. So why not use it? Eeeeeek, eeeeeeeeeeek! Eeeeeeeeeeek! Sorry, forgot this
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Cock-a-doodle-doo! I said I was inclined to believe he was town. I also said I wasn't sure. What changed? Well, first of all, Snarky is dead and was town. That alone changes the situation quite a bit, don't you think? Also, I didn't know much about the gladiator back then, and I've been thinking about the role a bit, how the town would use it and how the scum would use it. In general, I started to look at the role from a different perspective and came to the conclusion, if I was a scum gladiator, that's exactly how I'd use the role. Wait, you think he's town, yet you vote for him because of the action he has? He didn't state directly that the role was one-shot, and I agree it could harm the town even if Wong is town, but it would be so incredibly broken if it was not one-shot. Also, he doesn't have to use the role, if he is town. Once again you're voting for someone for reasons that are just absolutely horrible. Cock-a-doodle-doo!
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Tweet, tweet! No, I think he is scum. But I don't know, how would I? He can be town, and if he is, it's not a great loss, that's what I'm saying. Way to misparaphrase me, Helena Tweet!
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Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzz! Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz! I don't like this role at all, since it prevents the town from choosing the person who will be lynched. It's only useful if you assume that one person is smarter than all the town, and can't convince them of their opinion. Thus it's more likely to screw us all up rather than actually help us, if it's a town role. I know it usually is, but it shouldn't be used as reckless, even if it saved Wong's megablocks back there. I don't trust Dillpickle, but he brought something interesting up: Wong never expressed being unsure about Krup before he casted the spell on himself and Snarky, yet he later said he did so because he though Krup was town. That's a strange change of mind, because Krup hasn't given any good defenses in the short intervall before Wong decided to use his action. Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz! I've been unsure before, but now I've made up my mind: Using the gladiator early is perfectly logical if you are scum. On day two the main suspicions tend to shift completely, and people are less consequent on day one. Later in the game, the town might not have let the bandwagon on Wong go, but those who had voted for Wong before were (understandably) less consistent woth their vote. And even if Wong should be town, he has not been useful and is now a vanilla (and the scum knows that). I feel confident to vote: Wong Wang Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!
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Chirp, chrip, chirp Better than Wong. The gladiator is not likely to be a scum role, and even if they are allowed to share their actions (I'm a bit confused about that, are they allowed to or not?) I don't know if they wouldn't prefer to keep it. Would they really waste the action on Wong? If nothing comes up, I don't mind lynching him to find out, but I'd rather avoid doing that.
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Okay, but does that make them more or less likely to use it on Wong? If I was scum, I'd rather save that spell than use it on day one. Of course, on the other hand day one lynches are most likely to be aborted on later days, so that's something to keep in mind...hm, that actually makes a bit of sense, I have to say. Almost forgot...Aroooooooooooooooooo!
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Croak! Croooooooooak! I don't want to insult you, but I think you overestimate your own importance. Regelius was one of the more quiet animals, which makes me think he was killed by a vig/SK. As my Magizoologist book says, the natural enemy of the quiet magical animal is the SK, but vigs also tend to attack them when there is no better prey. There were more vocal animals not voting for you, which would have made better scum targets. I agree with others that the scum have probably taken out Flabflom. Even thoguh Wong is all but confirmed to have been the gladiator, it doesn't clear him. As I said yesterday, it's a weird role for the scum to have, but apparently it's not unheard of (and it's not really useful for the town either). I'd prefer having a better lynch candidate, though. It's a shame about Snarky, but his attitude really made him look like he didn't care about the town at all, so I can't feel too sorry for him. Croak!
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Cuckoo, cuckoo! I really don't like this whole gladiator thing. Back then, only six people voted for someone else, I'm not counting those who didn't vote. And he gained nine votes in six hours, that is fast. Considering the different time zones, it's hard to believe that to happen without at least one or two scum jumping on it. Yeah, Odor Eaters can say they told us so. They can also hop on the bandwagon and lynch someone. I didn't think he was scum, and I still don't. I don't know, but Snarky just was way more suspicious. But I have to admit, you're making it hard to believe you are town. You give up, announce you have a night action...if you really are town, which I think, you aren't helping us. Huh. I don't doubt anything you say, but I'm not sure if that clears you. Gladiator is an absurd role for the scum to have, and I sincerely doubt the scum would have adviced you to use your role if you were one of them. It doesn't clear you, but I'm inclined to believe you are actually town. Thanks for wasting your night action... (even though I'm doubt this would have helped the town at a later point either, I don't like it if my vote is restricted). I was suspicious of Snarky before, and this gladiator thing has done nothing to change my mind. I'll vote: Snarky Snickerpuss Cuckoo!
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Quack, quack, quack! Even without any solid cases, we have had better reasons to vote for people than just "He's not me". You're not scummy because you don't get any messages, you're scummy because you don't seem to care wheter a townie or scum gets lynched. And now you're all "Oh, nobody tells me anything, so how am I supposed to be helpful?". Big news, none of us knows more than anyone else, except for the scum. And there are several degrees of lynch rationalization than just "Fancy-pants theories" and randomly voting for whoever is most likely to be lynched. And there you are, jumping on the bandwagon and calling us sheep in the same sentence...Quack! Are you just doing the same thing you just accused someone else of, i.e. "This person gives me scummy vibes, but I won't vote for them because I want to jump on the bandwagon"? Not saying you're necessarily wrong about Drubulum, but you're doing the same thing! Stupid townies still have votes. I'm not saying we shouldn't lynch them, but only in a "scum or dumb" scenario, not in a "most likely a stupid townie" one. This has convinced me to keep my vote where it is. I'm still suspicious against Wong, who hasn't spoken up so far, but Snarky is just plain scummy.
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Neigh! Neeeeeeeeeigh! I don't like how fast the bandwagon against Krup has formed. His attitude hasn't been helping, and he is flailing around, but I can't see how this makes him scum. He has been acting weird, but I think he's town. He just doesn't seem to have a scum team helping him. Sure, I doubt on Day One the scum would actively defend one of theirs, but unless they willingly bus Krup, I doubt the bandwagon would have formed the way it has. They would at least plant the seed of doubt somewhere and thus decelerate the bandwagon. On the other hand, I'm suspicious of Wang. Mainly because of this: Here he repeats that he has been called out for repeating things And more importantly this: She has been accused and voted for, but still this is all the reaction we get. First she says "I haven't found anything scummy on Flabflom, but I might vote for him because of his penalty votes", which sounds like she visited the Snarky School of Vote Justification. She follows it up with a weird scenario of 2-3 town leaders, which I don't get. It doesn't sound like a good defense to me, though. Then she jumps on the Krup bandwagon, because "something is going weird with him". While the reasons to vote for Krup are not necessarily bad (for a Day One lynch), this one is. She just wanted to jump on there fast enough. I'm not going to vote for her right now, because I want her to explain the above scenario again and defend herself. I also want Snarky to speak up, he's been awfully quiet since he caught some flak with his vote and his "anyone but me" mentality, so I'll vote: Snarky Snickerpuss (that's his name, right?) for now. I'll decide later on if I change my vote to Wang. Neigh! Neigh, neigh!
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Meow! Okay, I'm inclined to believe you over him right now, meow. But since he said you broke rule 1, I'd like to hear if Harriet has anything to say about that... Meow!