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LEGO Star Wars 2020 Set Discussion - READ FIRST POST!!!
MGS6735 replied to MKJoshA's topic in LEGO Star Wars
I was expecting to be disappointed, but not to this degree. I'm only interested in the Lambda-Class Shuttle (if the scale isn't too small and the level of detail is passable), the Mandalorian set (depending on what it is), and the AT-AT and Tauntaun Microfighters (if the Tauntaun build is good). Other than that, not much in this wave stands out. I commend Lego for trying to make Star Wars sets more accessible, but I'm slightly concerned about the results. All they had to do was drop the prices of what they were making $10 or $20 (or less in some cases), which would have reasonably priced most of the recent sets, but maybe that wasn't possible. I'm curious to see how these cheapened sets turn out, but I don't have high hopes. It's also kind of baffling that they chose to remake the same two vehicles that we've seen almost every year since Disney acquired Star Wars without fail (X-Wings and TIEs of various kinds), with the choice to release two X-Wings in the same wave at different price points being even stranger. No battle packs is also disappointing, but not unexpected. Fingers crossed we'll see some later in 2021. Lastly, I don't understand why Lego hasn't taken advantage of the new content that has come out this year (Mandalorian and CW). Sure, we'll get a Mando set supposedly, but they could have done a lot more with the new material than what it seems like they have for 2021 so far. I get that Lego is probably playing it safe by releasing a bunch of OT stuff. Most Star Wars fans like the OT, but if they only put out the same OT vehicles every single year and push out other sets in the process, I'm not optimistic about the future of Lego Star Wars. If this keeps up, I might pull back from buying new sets for a while. -
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MGS6735 replied to MKJoshA's topic in LEGO Star Wars
I was skeptical at first, but I grew to like them. I hope this isn't the end for the diorama sets, but it will be interesting to see if the 1:1 lightsabers continue. I don't know if there are many other than Yoda's that would work well as a GWP set though. Also, @TheMainBricker and @jdubbs: I stand by the points I made in response to your previous posts, but I took too quarrelsome of an approach when doing so. Sorry about that. -
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MGS6735 replied to MKJoshA's topic in LEGO Star Wars
Completely agree. @jdubbs (Sorry I can't figure out how to pull quotes from multiple pages into the same post.) The flaw in that logic is that you can also reduce the Cantina to a bunch of people at a bar, which isn't exactly interesting either. Anything will lose what makes it interesting if you reduce it that much. I won't wishlist what I think they should have done instead, but I agree with some of the ideas you listed. I researched what qualifies something as being iconic, and pretty much the only requirements are that a lot of people think it is important and that it is influential. So in that respect, the Cantina is iconic. However, I still don't find it to be particularly influential (I'm not going to argue that a bunch of people don't think it is important when there clearly are a bunch of people who think that). The problem I run into with the influentialness (I hope that's a word) of the cantina is that the main reason I've seen for it being called influential is that it introduces a larger universe by being populated by aliens and has a lived-in aesthetic that was unique to it at the time. I can see how that would make it influential if ANH was your introduction to the Star Wars universe, but that isn't the case for me. The only other reason I've seen on this forum is that it is influential because it is iconic, which isn't very convincing because something must be influential to be iconic. I'd love to hear what else there is about the cantina that makes it influential if I've missed anything. I'm not disagreeing that ANH introduces things like the force. It was the first movie made, so of course, it introduces the force. But TPM also provides an explanation for the force via midichlorians. They aren't the same, and I would agree that ANH is probably easier to get into because Luke is learning about these things with the audience, but both trilogies provide some form of explanation. Both trilogies explain all of these things, but they have different approaches to doing so and do it at different points in the trilogy. The OT probably does it better, but that doesn't mean the PT doesn't do it. I agree that understanding the rules that govern the universe is more important than understanding why everything is. I think both trilogies explain the universe in their own ways, so which you prefer is your preference. I agree that there are things that make you want to watch the PT if you start with the OT like the Clone Wars (which is kind of also a spoiler for the PT). At this point, I think we reach an impasse based on what we want out of the movie viewing experience. If you want to understand everything as it happens and don't care if everything isn't explained immediately, starting with the PT seems like the better choice. If you want the experience to be more of a mystery and discover the universe at the pace of the characters while not knowing exactly why everything is happening, starting with the OT seems like the best idea. It comes down to if you view the PT as spoiling the OT or not. If the PT came out first, I don't think there would be such a debate as to what order the movies should be watched in. This is why I believe the order you watch the movies in is ultimately a preference. Neither is objectively better or worse than the other, they're just different experiences. I remember it being a pretty neat plot twist because Palpatine had been around since TPM. I didn't really expect them to do much with him until he was in a bunch of scenes in ROTS, so seeing him become a central part of the plot was pretty interesting. At this point, I think this discussion about what the best order to watch the movies in has outstayed its welcome in this thread. There can be a discussion about what the objective best order to watch the films in is, but all that matters at the end of the day is that you enjoy the movies. PM me or make a separate thread if you want to keep having this conversation. Otherwise, I'm not planning on responding to any future posts in this thread regarding this issue unless a solid line of reasoning is presented which convinces me that my current position is objectively wrong. -
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MGS6735 replied to MKJoshA's topic in LEGO Star Wars
Cool! I didn't like the TFA that much, but I'm glad you enjoyed it. Everyone has their preferences in regard to which Star Wars movies they like and what order they prefer to watch the movies in. There isn't anything wrong with that as long as we can be civil about it. My argument isn't that the cantina doesn't deserve to be an MBS set, it is that there are probably some better choices for an MBS set than the cantina. However, I'm still happy that those who wanted a new cantina are getting the best one we've seen from Lego so far; I'm just not that interested in it. -
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MGS6735 replied to MKJoshA's topic in LEGO Star Wars
That may very well be the case for most people. I'm not 100% certain which movie I saw first, but I'm pretty sure it was either TPM or ROTS. I lean towards TPM, but I have the most memories of ROTS and it is still my favorite Star Wars movie. If someone were to be introduced to Star Wars in the current era, I could see more of a reason to start with ANH, but I grew up when the PT was coming out, so that's what got me interested in Star Wars. There are reasons to watch the movies in the canon order too. You guys have hit the nail on the head. I would agree it is pivotal in terms of plot points but it isn't really beyond that. And it isn't pivotal in terms of making the plot happen, it's pivotal because it is where the plot happens. I'm sure it goes back to the issue of what Star Wars you grew up with, but I don't find the cantina on its own to be interesting enough to warrant a set of this nature. The other system-scale cantinas have done a good enough job of capturing everything important about the cantina in my opinion. If you always wanted an MBS-style cantina then cool, I'm happy for you. The cantina is a well-executed set that brings a lot of characters into the Lego Star Wars realm that haven't been before. I just think there were other options that may have been better picks. I'm sure nostalgia plays a role in this discussion on both sides of the argument. With all due respect, that seems a bit dismissive. It appears to me (let me know if I'm wrong in my interpretation) that your reason for thinking that watching the films in the canon order is wrong is that everything isn't explained in TPM and the PT. If they explained everything in TPM, would there be a reason to watch any of the other movies? They also explain new things in TPM that aren't explained in ANH like (everyone's favorite) midichlorians, the origins of C3P-O and R2-D2, the Jedi order, etc. By starting with TPM, you get two more movies worth of information. This makes ANH better by showing how powerful the Empire is and explaining a lot of things that are just assumed to be true in ANH (your father fought in the Clone Wars, the Death Star exists, the Empire exists, the Rebels exist, etc.). In return, TPM assumes some things to be true that are explained in ANH (like some basic rules of the universe, for example, the force). It also makes some assumptions of things that aren't in any of the films, but that doesn't take away from the argument for watching the films in the canon order. I think which order you watch the movies in is a matter of personal preference. There are benefits to starting with ANH and there are benefits starting with TPM. I do think it is a bit disingenuous to dismiss starting with TPM outright. Also, I started out with the PT and I had no problem understanding Star Wars. It doesn't matter so much which of the two orders you choose to watch the movies in as long as you watch all of them and can grasp the story. I don't see how this conclusion was reached either. I'd love an explanation though. Again I think this comes back to the issue of what Star Wars you grew up with/which movie you started with. The cantina aesthetic may have started there, but it is no longer unique to the cantina now that the universe has gotten bigger. I'm sure nostalgia is at play here both in supporting the cantina and thinking there were potentially better choices. When you guys see the cantina, you see a magical place that sheds light on a more expansive, interesting universe than you had previously believed existed. When I see the cantina, I see a tan building on a tan planet that, other than the color tan, doesn't offer much that's unique compared to other places in the universe. I think we'll have to agree to disagree. -
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MGS6735 replied to MKJoshA's topic in LEGO Star Wars
This is exactly what I was talking about when I said I didn't think the cantina would have as large of an appeal as other MBS-style sets. The new aliens are cool but other than that, the only real additions to the cantina over the previous system-scale versions are almost all for display value. That's not bad, but it doesn't make the set much more interesting to play with. It just makes it look nicer at a higher price while taking up more display space. Very well put @Brikkyy13. It certainly does that if ANH is the first and only Star Wars movie you've ever seen. After you venture beyond it or start somewhere else in the saga, there are other scenes and locations that do the same thing while being more interesting/having more going on (like Coruscant or even CC for example). ANH isn't the first movie in the saga any more, so this aspect of the cantina isn't nearly as relevant as it used to be. Most people I know that get into Star Wars start with TPM when watching the movies because it is the first movie in the timeline (regardless of how good/bad people might think it is, it's still first), and there are many times that aliens are established in the universe between TPM and ANH. When you start with the perspective that ANH isn't first in the timeline, the cantina becomes much less important. That's why I don't think this set will do as well as some of the previous MBS-style sets. -
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MGS6735 replied to MKJoshA's topic in LEGO Star Wars
While I'd like remakes to always be better than the previous version, the medium can only get so good, so this will eventually become impossible with most sets (it already has happened with sets like the AT-AP). I'd like for them to throw in other draws like desirable or new figures in remakes, but that doesn't seem to be the way Lego has been going recently. Even when we reach the point when there isn't any major change or interesting addition that can be added to a set, they'll still have to do remakes for new fans to get. I don't think we've reached that point yet though, so I'd like to see Lego make remakes more interesting. -
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MGS6735 replied to MKJoshA's topic in LEGO Star Wars
That's my main concern also. I can't think of much that I want for new OT sets besides a couple of TIE Fighter variant remakes (the ones we haven't seen in system scale recently) and a couple of small to medium-sized vehicles that I would like new versions of. More or less everything else on my wanted list is from the PT and CW, and if we only get a dozen or so system sets next year with the current amount of OT stuff we're receiving, the chances of any of getting them are rather slim. CW S7 just came out this year, so the potential of new CW sets is getting less and less as time progresses. I was referring specifically to the basic Imperial TIE Fighter (probably should have clarified that), but I do agree we need some variants. The X-Wing and Snowspeeder are different because it is basically an updated version of the same thing every time it comes out. If they only made basic TIEs I'd lump them in there too. I hope that if we continue to get TIEs frequently, we don't get new versions of the basic TIE repeatedly, but rather some remakes of the older TIE variants. There will eventually need to be remakes of the X-Wing and Snowspeeder like you said, but they don't need to come out at nearly the pace they have been in recent years. I did a bit of digging and that seems to be the current end date of the license. -
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MGS6735 replied to MKJoshA's topic in LEGO Star Wars
I hope not, but I won't be surprised if we get there. But like @Balrogofmorgoth said, this isn't the worst thing because it will allow us to get the sets we want easier due to the smaller selection. As long all the sets aren't remakes of the usual things, that is. I already have Snowspeeders, X-Wings, and TIE Fighters. If they are only going to be remaking those sets constantly and they are the only sets released, I won't have a reason to keep collecting Lego Star Wars because the medium can only get so good. -
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MGS6735 replied to MKJoshA's topic in LEGO Star Wars
"Quite noticeable as missing" seems like a bit of an overstatement to me in regards to these characters. It's probably because I'm not the biggest OT fan, but it's still nice to see Lego making figures for characters we haven't gotten before. I agree that this isn't always the case, but those reasons should be taken into account when Lego decides what new figures to make. I think gaps in the main/plot-relevant characters should be filled before we start getting background characters in an ideal world. Of course, that isn't the world we inhabit. Also, importance should be a slightly bigger factor than screentime in determining whether a figure gets made in my opinion. -
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MGS6735 replied to MKJoshA's topic in LEGO Star Wars
Agreed. -
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MGS6735 replied to MKJoshA's topic in LEGO Star Wars
Just looking at the droids that I pulled out of my minifig storage due to broken parts, I have three broken Super Battle Droid legs, three broken Battle Droid Legs, and two broken Battle Droid heads. Doing the math based on the last time I counted my droids and counting each part as a separate broken figure, 2.4% of my droids are broken (not even counting Battle Droid arms, which would probably bump that up to 5% at least). The clips are the problem on all of these parts, either being snapped or too loose to hold on to the figure. I don't abuse my droids and 2.4% being broken from just being stored and used in MOCs is kind of ridiculous. I'm afraid to even push on the tops of them to lock them into studs. I just push their toes down instead That's also my position. The only change I think they should make is to strengthen the clips. The only other meaningful change I can think of is to change the arm connections for both types of droids to small ball joint connections, but I don't know how possible/durable that would be even though it would be cool for articulation. Other than that, I think the Battle Droid figure is pretty solid and looks good. The clips are the only part that is broken, so the clips should be the only part to get fixed. Exactly! Even if cool updates are possible, I don't want to deal with buying parts to update hundreds of droids on the secondary market. -
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MGS6735 replied to MKJoshA's topic in LEGO Star Wars
It was in the first episode of TCW S7. Maybe I remember it because I just watched it though. I do agree that a TPM version is more likely and that the odds are it won't be like the 2007 version. But if they want to do a CW version, now is the time. -
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MGS6735 replied to MKJoshA's topic in LEGO Star Wars
There were also some people speculating that we would see a new MTT in 2021 because we have historically seen an MTT released every seven years. Other vehicles have broken their release patterns in the past, so I wouldn't take this alone as evidence of any new sets, but it is the closest to a real rumor about an MTT that we have had so far. -
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MGS6735 replied to MKJoshA's topic in LEGO Star Wars
As much as I like those ideas, I doubt they'd show up if this supposed set is released in a winter wave. Unless they do a tiny version of the Octuptarra droid as they did with the Utapau troopers battle pack, stability/durability issues would likely stop that from being made, and a CW MTT would likely be out of the price range we usually see in winter releases (unless they find a way to make the 2014 MTT smaller and less expensive). I agree. Especially if this set is supposed to be a winter release, the shuttle would make the most sense and would fit within the usual pricing of winter wave sets, unless they give it the Grievous' Starfighter treatment. I hope this helmet means we are getting a Bad Batch set, but this could be the case as well. I'd like for all of the set ideas people have proposed this could be to come out, but I think they either aren't feasible as winter wave sets or won't be what we would want them to be if they get made. We'll have to wait for more developments, but don't have any expectations if you don't want to be disappointed. -
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MGS6735 replied to MKJoshA's topic in LEGO Star Wars
Not trying to stir the pot on this, but I don't think we're quite understanding each other. I'll try to explain what I'm getting at a bit better. First, some definitions. When I say adult consumer here, I am referring to adults that buy Lego Star Wars sets but aren't overly invested in the theme. When I say adult collector here, I am referring to adults that buy Lego Star Wars sets but are more invested in the theme than the general consumer and the adult consumer (which is likely an older version of the general/child consumer, but is more invested than the parent consumer who just buys sets for their child (I would also argue that parent consumers aren't technically part of the adult market, but I won't get into that now)). Let's assume that because they are members of the adult market, more of them have the means to purchase a set like the cantina than the average Lego consumers (children). What I was saying is that out of those in the adult market, the cantina will attract adult collectors but substantially less adult consumers in comparison to sets like the Death Star, which would attract both types of adults. The cantina may be iconic, but it doesn't have the same gravity that most of the other sets of similar size have had in the past when it comes to the entire adult market. So yes, this set is meant to appeal to adult collectors, but I think we may be overestimating the ratio of adult collectors to adult consumers. I think this set will sell more poorly than the general consensus of this forum due to it appealing to a smaller amount of the adult market than the other MBS-style sets. As far as the potential demise of the $15 battle pack is concerned, I think it is too far out to tell what is really going on just yet. Hopefully, they stay around, but if they don't, not much of value will be lost. Most of the $15 battle packs in recent memory have been pretty stale and underwhelming. If the $15 battle packs were more interesting sets, I would be more concerned about them being discontinued. -
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MGS6735 replied to MKJoshA's topic in LEGO Star Wars
It is indeed a different market. Although they take up similar price slots, sets like the Death Star are more generally appealing to most people than the cantina will be. And even though the Ewok Village is probably less iconic than Mos Eisley, it has the benefit of being a scene of a large conflict. Speaking for myself, I am mostly interested in the battles and various vehicles and machines within Star Wars that make war, so even though the Ewok Village is less iconic it would have that edge over the cantina for me and others with similar interests. Also, the Ewok Village came out years ago when this type of set was less common, which may have lead to it selling better than it would have in today's market where there are more options for large playsets. Of course, you'll have a couple of people who wander into the Lego Store and decide to pick up a cantina, but most of the consumers of this set are going to be collectors (like the people on this forum) who know what the set is and are interested in it. You are correct that the smaller vehicles and sets like X-Wings and Jedi Starfighters are targeted towards different people. However, they all sit on the Lego store shelf together, and I think that most of Lego's general consumers would prefer one of those smaller vehicle sets over a $350 "tan shapes with aliens" set for various reasons (vehicles are generally more iconic to general audiences, lower prices, etc.). The cantina will certainly sell to the collectors and those who are attracted to the location, figures, and Kenner toys, but I think it won't have the same pull for the general consumer like a Death Star or Cloud City playset does. I also doubt it will stick around for 12 years. So to sum it up, I agree that the cantina will appeal to adult collectors, but I doubt it will be able to pull in much of Lego's general consumers due to the nature of the set and the other sets Lego is currently selling. We'll see how it does when it comes out. -
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MGS6735 replied to MKJoshA's topic in LEGO Star Wars
Me too. I don't know how easy it will be to get an AAT either, but those are the two sets I'm most interested in. A lot of people here in past discussion have said that the cantina is a very iconic place in Star Wars, which I don't disagree with. However, I do think that the cantina is one of the least interesting iconic locations that Star Wars has to offer. There has been some conflict at the cantina before, but it isn't the sight of a major battle/conflict like most of the other places that have become large playsets (Death Star, Hoth, Cloud City, and even the Ewok Village to some extent). It is basically a tan box like @Brikkyy13 said, and I don't think the possible inclusion of a tan cylinder (like @Fuppylodders said) will make it much more interesting. Lots of the people on here really like the idea of this set, and if you are one of them, good for you. We must remember though that we are the hyper-invested Lego Star Wars fans. I think most consumers will see a $350 tan shapes with aliens set next to any number of other sets that are currently/soon to be out (Poe's X-Wing, Kylo's Shuttle, 501st Battle Pack, The Death Star, etc.) and pick one of the other sets because they are more generally appealing. -
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MGS6735 replied to MKJoshA's topic in LEGO Star Wars
I only mind if they mix army builder and non-army builder figures in a battle pack like in the Jedi and Clone Troopers Battle Pack. Because the figures are split between army building and non-army building, the set fails to serve either purpose effectively. -
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MGS6735 replied to MKJoshA's topic in LEGO Star Wars
I guess this isn't the worst thing. At least we'll continue to see stuff from all eras of Star Wars if this is the case. More sets wouldn't be a bad thing, but I hope that they make higher quality sets if they are releasing less of them (not reusing figures from other sets where they clearly don't belong would be a good start). -
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MGS6735 replied to MKJoshA's topic in LEGO Star Wars
Based on what I can tell, Legends has become a kind of catch-all for sets that actually may be from Legends, things that are just strange combinations of things that never exactly meet up in Star Wars canon, and Lego-original vehicles in sets like battle packs. I don't think that is an accurate definition, but it's the only explanation for things like the fighter tank being in Legends sets according to Bricklink. Brickset's Legends subtheme of Star Wars focuses more on stuff from Legends and Lego-original vehicles in sets like battle packs, even though some of them (like the TIE Defender) have become part of canon since they were made as sets. Brickest's definition seems more accurate to sets actually based on Legends. I don't think Disney would block Lego outright. We've gotten sets like the Sandspeeder since Disney acquired Star Wars that aren't based on something canon. That shows that more Legends sets are possible, but I think the determining factor would be if Lego thinks it will sell well as @RODDY stated. -
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MGS6735 replied to MKJoshA's topic in LEGO Star Wars
I can only speak for myself here. My problem isn't with the selection of sets that we got, it's with the execution. I'm happy that we got a new Anakin's Interceptor. I understand the critiques of it being so similar to the last one that came out six years ago. I and others don't have that vehicle, so I'm glad to see Lego remake it, even though it is similar to the last one. I'm also happy to see a new Grievous' Starfighter. I have the 2010 version, so it isn't a very high priority for me, but people getting another chance at Grievous and that vehicle isn't something I'm opposed to. The execution of these sets leaves something to be desired. Anakin's Mustafar robes and headset for his Interceptor, the strange AT-RT build in the 501st set, the entire AAT build, and the price and figure selection of Grievous' Starfighter are all things that could have been improved. Lego can make good renditions of these things because they have in the past (2014 Interceptor, 2013 and 2019 AT-RT with the 2012 BARC, 2009 AAT and the 2015 one to a lesser extent, 2010 Grievous' Starfighter). My problem is not with the idea of the sets, it is that Lego is clearly capable of doing better than they did with these particular sets because they have historically with fewer parts available and less advanced technology. And in regards to the PT debate, I pointed out that I think the PT sets in this wave are of noticeably lower quality than the other sets in this wave in the last post I made (I won't run through all of that again here). I don't know why this is the case, as it could be any number of things. The PT has had sets in recent history that have been quite good (Droid Gunship, AT-AP, Clone Scout Walker, etc.), but it has also had sets that have been disappointing (Grievous' Combat Speeder, Jedi and Clone Trooper Battle Pack, AAT, etc.). Ultimately, the reason could be something like (spitball time; no idea if these are anywhere close to correct): -PT sets of recent tend to be smaller. Lego cuts more corners with smaller sets because they are less expensive and those cuts will be more likely to be overlooked by consumers. -Lego thinks that the people who buy PT sets are less likely to care if the sets are of lower quality because of the small prequel drought that started with TFA. -Lego cuts more corners with PT sets because they perceive their market to be younger and less focused on small inaccuracies. I don't think the reason is that Lego hates the PT. As @jdubbs said, Lego doesn't just focus on one portion of the Star Wars fanbase to shaft (and we got lots of PT stuff when CW came out originally). There have been bad OT sets (20th Snowspeeder left some things to be desired) and ST sets (First Order AT-ST). Maybe I notice it more due to the lack of PT sets and that I've started to care more about the small details as I've gotten older. All that I'm saying and what it seems like others are saying is that the PT sets in this particular wave are somewhat disappointing, whether that is due to what they could have been or what they ended up being. Also, everyone's entitled to their own opinion on this wave and other sets. As someone who is focused on the PT, I'm probably more critical of those sets than I am of OT sets, and someone who likes OT sets is more critical of them than they are of PT sets. Whatever the reason is, the people on this forum tend to be hyper-invested in Lego Star Wars, and as we've seen time and time again, we are very good at finding things to complain about where most Lego consumers wouldn't because we care more about these things than the average Lego Star Wars consumer. But as I've been typing this, this whole debate pretty much resolved itself, so hm. I still hold that these particular PT sets in this wave have room for improvement, but that this isn't an issue specifically related to PT sets. I'm happy for what we get and the potential to improve those sets with mods, but that doesn't excuse many of the issues these PT sets and other non-PT sets have. I assume it all comes down to Lego's internal strategy for choosing what sets to make and how to make them that churns out new Snowspeeders and Landspeeders on a regular basis. I'm not trying to restart this debate, but those are my thoughts on the matter. -
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MGS6735 replied to MKJoshA's topic in LEGO Star Wars
Agreed. I prefer the PT/CW sets to sets from other portions of Star Wars. My issue isn't with the number of sets released. 4/9 sets in a wave dedicated to a trilogy is more than sufficient representation under normal circumstances and is probably fair with Season 7 of CW coming out this year. My problem is also the quality of the sets. Looking at all of the sets from the wave: Anakin's Interceptor: Good build although it is very similar to the last one. Figures (Anakin) could be better. 3/5. 501st BP: Great figures, BARC speeder is alright, AT-RT has some issues. 4/5. AAT: Great figures, AAT build is laughably inaccurate. The price could be better. 2/5. Night Buzzard: Figures are good and what we expected, build looks good but there seems to be a lack of interior space. Price is reasonable. 3/5. Grievous' Starfighter: Build looks good albeit similar to the last one, all figures except the Airborne trooper aren't new or interesting, and the whole package is ridiculously priced. 2/5. DS-II Duel: Good build, although it is very similar to the last one. Figures are nice with some good improvements (Darth Vader). The price is a little questionable. 4/5. Resistance IT-S: Great build, probably the best in this wave. The figures are good, but some are kind of lazy. The price is solid. The vehicle is obscure, but that can be overlooked. 5/5. AT-AT: Nice build with many improvements, great figure selection. Price is questionable at best. 4/5. Advent Calendar: Builds are on par with what we expect with some nice new inclusions (Lucrehulk). Figures are decent and there are two exclusives. Price is what we expect. 5/5. Taking the scores from this very non-scientific analysis, here are the averages for each trilogy: PT (4 Sets) - 2.75/5 OT (2 Sets) - 4.5/5 ST (2 Sets) - 4/5 Advent Calendar (1 Set; doesn't fit in any of the other categories) - 5/5 Looking at this, the PT sets scored significantly lower than the sets from the other trilogies. (Although this is very unscientific and there may be some bias here as I prefer PT stuff. Feel free to try this yourselves.) I don't think it is reasonable to see waves dominated by PT/CW stuff as we did in the late 2000s, but it isn't unreasonable to have better quality sets. Also, more PT sets focusing either on Clones and Droids or things we haven't seen in awhile/ever (Jango Fett Slave I, Zam Wessel Speeder Chase, Kamino sets, etc.) would be ideal, assuming that the quality of those sets is at least on par with the others being released. -
LEGO Star Wars 2020 Set Discussion - READ FIRST POST!!!
MGS6735 replied to MKJoshA's topic in LEGO Star Wars
I didn't notice that the robe torso was reused on Anakin until people started mentioning it. I got the Mustafar set before it came out. It was good for play, but some of the play features had problems and the red and yellow lava was strange, to say the least. The biggest disappointment was the lack of high ground, but a bit of modding fixed that. The lava, however, would have required a lot more work, and I ultimately decided it was more work to overhaul the set to replace the lava than it was worth. That being said, the inaccurate lava was the biggest initial turnoff of the set for me. That being said, I agree that there is no reason to buy this set now that the Anakin and Obi-Wan are in other sets. Anakin's Interceptor is a bit more expensive than the Mustafar Duel, but the interceptor is a much better build than the Mustafar Duel, even if it is very similar to the 2014 version. Grievous' Starfighter is overpriced, but it will likely cause the value of the Mustafar Obi-Wan figure to decrease for those who don't want either set (same for the Anakin figure, but it's slightly different and the interceptor is slightly more desirable.) The only reason left to buy the Mustafar set come September is it's slightly cheaper price and lackluster scenery. Also, the Anakin figure from the interceptor appears to have the headset print on both faces. It's good for differentiating the figure slightly from Mustafar Anakin, but the headset being on both sides makes the figure less useful. I dislike the figure from the 2018 Anakin's Starfighter for the same reason. I don't see why they couldn't make one face with the headset for use in the ship and one face without it for use outside of the ship. Removing the headset from one side would reduce the cost of printing and improve the figure. If Lego would cut corners to the point of reusing figure torsos in instances where they are clearly inaccurate, I don't think taking a bit of printing off a minifigure head is too much to ask. -
LEGO Star Wars 2020 Set Discussion - READ FIRST POST!!!
MGS6735 replied to MKJoshA's topic in LEGO Star Wars
This is the exact reason that I didn't vote for the gunship in the UCS vote. I like the prequels and the Clone Wars, but I'm not very interested in UCS sets. I want another system-scale gunship, and I thought we would get something larger than that if it won, which seems to be the case based on what we've heard from the designers so far. If that ended up being the case, I concluded that the chances of a new system-scale gunship being released would decrease with the UCS version, so I voted for the Nebulon under the idea that if it wins the OT UCS fans will get something they want, and I'll be more likely to get something I want. The only reason I'd buy the UCS LAAT is if it is either close in size to the system-scale ones or if it has good minifigures which cost so much to purchase separately that it makes more sense to purchase the whole set instead. Also, price is a consideration. I wouldn't want to pay more than $200 for this thing if it is close to system-scale, but even that is a stretch. In regards to the UCS Imperial Shuttle, I'm happy for those who wanted it, but I don't fall into that crowd. I would have much rather seen something like a remake of the Dropship and AT-OT. With Clone Wars Season 7 out, it would have been more relevant than the Imperial Shuttle, and the prices on the secondary market for it are also insane (around $800 on the low-end), probably more so than the Imperial Shuttle. As far as 75294 goes, it sounds interesting. It seems like a lot of people want it. Again, I'm glad that they are getting something they want. I may pick one up if it ends up being a Lego brand store release like @THELEGOBATMAN says, but I'm more focused on the prequel sets in the summer wave.