Jack Alden

I'd be ok with ending the day early because I could forward irrefutable proof that I am town and I think probably everyone except maybe Patrick would still vote for me. Unfortunately, I don't have a night action that I could have used for that purpose. Neither do you, and you and I have voted the same On Day 2 - Day 6, and I've arguably been more vocal than you on trying to weed out the scum in the threat. And I've been working with Patrick to do the same. Yet, I'm the one being lynched. My bad.

Who did you supposedly try and protect last night? The only way that Louisa and I are on the same team is if we are both town. This is because I am town, as the three supposedly loyal pirates voting for me will find out in the morning. The two scum voting for me already know this. You switched your vote from Joseph to Louisa yesterday, thereby splitting the vote. If Louisa and I are supposedly scum together, why did you not switch to me and ensure my lynch? Exactly. Why didn't he? If he is scum, he could have taken me out yesterday by switching his vote to me instead of Louisa. It would have put him in the spotlight for sure in the morning, but they could potentially have made a kill in the night. That would have put the numbers at two scum / two town this morning, which you have said is a scum win for sure. If he is scum, why did they not take the chance? I can understand why he would want to make me look scummy, but I don't understand what the purpose is of making himself look scummy at the same time. Everything that I have said here and to Patrick in PM since I contacted him at the start of day 3 has been truthful, or at least what I believe to be the truth. I withheld details in my PM with Louisa because I don't trust her, but again I did not lie. My logs suggest only 24 hours until another loyal pirate is lynched.

You know you just handed scum the win, right?

I agree that this is possible. My message in a bottle to you was to urge you to jail yourself and insist that Louisa block me. Presumably no-one if your claim you blocked him is true. I didn't say or imply he was the best option, only that I was open to lynching him.

Who do you trust to be town?

The only two people I trust are town at this stage are myself and Patrick. So, yeah, I'd be willing to entertain lynching Timothy, or you, or Louisa, or Henry. To me, Louisa keeps coming up as the most likely scum, so that's why I've been focused on her. Joseph, why do you think we should lynch Timothy?

I slept soundly, all night, in my bunk again, and the lack of a kill has nothing to do with me being blocked. If anything, Patrick jailing me would have protected me from any scum action.

Me thinks the captain is getting frustrated with us! Louisa, Patrick - actions from last night?

I am town. As I pointed out before, if you truly believed Louisa and I are both scum, you should be indifferent between voting for her and voting for me, and you should change your vote to Louisa because that will get rid of one scum. And it has the added benefit of leaving me, a loyal pirate, safe and giving town a decent chance of winning. If you don't believe we're both scum, then why put that statement out there?

It's a little contradictory to suggest that it is impossible for me to be scum, but leave the option open that Henry might be scum. And if Henry is town, why would you block him? For the record, the point I was making was that I still think you're scum . I'm not changing my vote.

Lynching me will also spell the end for town unless Patrick can block the scum kill overnight, because I am definitely town. Louisa, I keep thinking, if you were scum, you would not actually go as hard for my lynch as you have had because you would know that you'd be outed as soon as I flip town in the morning - and I will flip town. But then I realise that it won't matter by then because, if you are scum, you will have the numbers in the morning to win. Can you share your reasoning for why you think Timothy and / or Henry might be the remaining scum?

This logic is flawed. Thomas investigated you on Night 2, and then Joseph on Night 3. He didn't contact Joseph as far as I know. He did say though that he didn't contact you because he didn't trust you. That is not all you said ... (emphasis added by me): Vote: Louisa Hammond

@Joseph Finch, I want to lynch Louisa today, not you. Whichever way I look at it, Louisa is the common denominator, not you. If you are town, it is likely her and Henry (and I think less likely her and Timothy). I questioned Henry’s claim early on in the game because I also recognised it would be an easy claim for scum. It was Patrick being adamant Henry is town that made me discount him.

I guess I need to spell it out a bit clearer. I believe you and Joseph are both scum. Exactly why we can't afford to get it wrong on the lynch today. If I am lynched today, we will all but give the game to scum. Lynch me today and scum kill a townie overnight leaves two scum and two town at the start of Day 8. We won't be able to lynch scum because we don't have the majority and we have to pray that their kill target is whoever we protect at night. Either a stalemate or scum win. Are you actually questioning whether Thomas was the investigator? He claimed himself in the thread in the end - we have no reason to doubt he was the investigator. You were convinced at one point that he and I were scum together. Do you still think he would have lived through Night 3 if I were scum and he had just told me he was the investigator, and no-one else supposedly knew at that point? As I said before, I was doing my best to protect his identity - at his request and to protect a valuable PR - for as long as possible. Interestingly, you used this (the last sentence above) before as a reason for why Thomas and I were likely scum together. Maybe you should flip flop yet again and somehow try and spin this as a reason why we must have been on opposite teams? Can you please stop saying you blocked him like it was a fact? Everyone knows that no-one can verify it actually happened. No-one got me out of anything - I believe you blocked Patrick and I know I slept in my bunk. I have known Tim's role since the start of Day 3 (Patrick told me via PM, with Tim's knowledge). You were the one who chose to block him knowing what he was. And it looks like you are back to clutching at straws, pointing at everyone but yourself and your scum buddy (Joseph) and the one person no-one doubts is town (Patrick). Are you going to address the statement you made about Timothy being town before he was (all but) confirmed as such? I would also like to hear from @Joseph Finch about his statement that he thinks Louisa could be scum.

@Louisa Hammond , if I were scum (which I am most definitely not), then I would be godfather (because I was investigated town by Thomas). This means Joseph and Henry are cleared town. That leaves one of Patrick, Timothy or yourself as the fourth scum. Your view on Timothy (despite blocking him three nights in a row) was something along the lines of "Oh don't worry about Timothy - he's town" (let me know if you need me to find the exact quote). Incidentally, this statement was made by you before we got the results that made it clear that Timothy was unlikely to be scum (and only scum would've known for sure before that point). So, Louisa, if you are town, that leaves Patrick as my supposed scum buddy. I don't believe Patrick is scum and I doubt anyone else would entertain the idea either. @Joseph Finch, you said Louisa could be scum. If you truly believe this and you are town (or third party), you should also be indifferent between Louisa and I for the lynch today. If you don't actually believe she is scum, I would like to know who you think would be the other scum. If she is town, her statement about Timothy being town would be truthful (or at least not a lie and she presumably had a valid reason for making that statement). The only person left over would be Patrick, because you and Henry would be confirmed town. Again not likely. Just in case it's not clear, I will be voting Louisa today. I believe Patrick, Henry and Timothy to be town.

You claim to have blocked him. We can't verify whether you actually did.

One of you or Joseph would be my guess as I slept soundly all night in my bunk. @Patrick Triggs, whose decision was it to let Louisa block Joseph again? Did she insist? Now we are once again in the position of not being able to verify whether Louisa actually blocked who she said she blocked. Most likely she blocked you (Patrick).

Can we vote yet?

Vote: Thomas Chapman

I expect that you would have a lot more information than me about what scum actions have been blocked. Also, everyone seems to have forgotten also that Thomas voted for me yesterday.

I don't think we can rule it out. Patrick being able to protect himself is unusual, but no-one (including myself) is questioning that. Our reference books below deck say that jailkeepers are never allowed to self-target. They don't say anything about watchers or janitors being able, or not able, to target themselves.

That is not at all what I said. He could help protect our other more useful PRs. This is incorrect because not all my suggestions turned out pirate. The ones you chose to investigate and supposedly got a result on were pirate. The suggestions that I flagged with you were Geoffrey (confirmed scum), Patrick, Malcolm (confirmed unknown), Joseph, Gordon (confirmed town) and Timothy. It does not mean someone who was not blocked had to use the janitor action. Malcolm could have used it on himself. We have examples in this game where actions have been used on oneself - Patrick jailed himself, Nigel watched himself. You forget that it was Thomas who came to me and it was I who protected his identity for as long as I could because he did not want himself revealed. If I were scum and knew about Thomas, Thomas would not have survived to this point.

There don't have to be five scum necessarily. As I pointed out before, if Malcolm was able to apply the janitor action to himself then it is possible that there are only four (which is more likely than five in a game starting with 15). Why is that? While four is the more logical number, this is hardly a typical game. I still believe there could have been five to start with to balance out the town PRs. As I told Patrick yesterday, I am happy to be blocked or jailed overnight. However, I suggested Joseph and Malcolm instead because I believed them to be scum together. I also told him that I would be happy to be exposed to a kill action overnight. Me being revealed as a loyal pirate at this point would be more useful than all this speculation and finger pointing. Timothy would have had to execute two night actions - the janitor and the whatever he did with Nigel (not a kill attempt since Nigel was not protected from what I know). I think this unlikely. Also, if he were scum, what action do you think he was trying to do to Nigel last night? Hug him to death? Nigel is the watcher ... what could scum have gained by targeting him last night other than trying to kill him? He wasn't blocked because then he wouldn't have seen who came to visit him. Conversion? If Malcolm and Joseph are either town or third party, and you are sure that Henry is town, that leaves Louisa and Thomas as scum, because I am definitely town. Louisa could have used a one-shot on Malcolm to hide his affiliation (which she then would want to do even if Malcolm is town or third party) instead of her blocking action and Thomas was blocked from making a kill. Joseph, as mason or third party, presumably can't tell whether or not he is being blocked. If Timothy is what he said he is, then Louisa (as scum) had every incentive to keep him locked up for three nights in a row. But, Louisa is quite happy to throw Thomas under a bus today, which suggests they are not on the same team. This takes us back to Malcolm and Joseph being scum buddies together. If Malcolm and Joseph are third party, then they also lied about being masons. This in itself if a cause for concern. Or Malcolm cleaned out his own quarters before he was made to walk the plank. Either as a day action (once the writing was on the wall) or one that he was able to implement once he was lynched. It is quite possible to have an action that you can implement once you are lynched. The way Thomas attacked me yesterday made me believe that he was scum. There is still the possibility that he is scum today.

A one-shot janitor would explain how scum obscured Malcolm's affiliation. And they would want to do that whether Malcolm was scum or town. The existence of one-shot anything on the scum side would also potentially explain the unaccounted-for block on Thomas on Night 4 (if he is town). Having said that, I don't think we have any evidence of scum using one-shot actions on the other nights. Doesn't mean they didn't happen, only that we don't know about them. If Malcolm was scum: Then we would have 1 - 2 scum left assuming there were 4-5 to start with. One of those would have to be Joseph (Scum #4) because of the masons claim. Is there any scenario under which Malcolm and Joseph are not on the same team? Louisa claims to have blocked Joseph last night, so there must be a Scum #5 to have used the one-shot janitor (or whatever action they may have used to prevent us from knowing his affiliation) Working on the assumptions again of one action per scum team member per night Is there any other action that would allow scum to obscure the affiliation? Scum #5 is then not Thomas because he was jailed by Patrick and therefore could not have executed the any actions Henry and I would then be town (investigated by Thomas who is not scum under this scenario) Neither of us can be godfather because Joseph has to be the godfather under this scenario See below for why I don't think Patrick, Nigel or Timothy are scum This leaves Louisa as Scum #5 Louisa's block is not verifiable irrespective if Joseph is scum or town. We only have her word for it. The only way she is not scum in this scenario is if Joseph or Malcolm were able to apply the obscuration (spell check did not pick this up, so it must be a word) action themselves despite being blocked / lynched. If Malcolm was town: Then we would have 2 - 3 scum left assuming there were 4 - 5 to start with. Then Joseph is not one of those (and I owe him an apology for doubting them about the mason claim) I think this logic also holds if they are third party together, except I don't owe them an apology I still don't think it would be Patrick, Nigel or Timothy for the reasons set out below Which leaves Louisa, Thomas and Henry Most likely Louisa and Thomas, but only because I don't really have a reason to doubt Henry. In either scenario, the common denominator is Louisa. The reasons why I'm confident that Patrick, Nigel and Timothy are town: Timothy - targeting Nigel and Nigel still being alive means he didn't try to kill Nigel. It is also consistent with my understanding of what his role is. Is it public knowledge yet what Timothy's claimed role is? Patrick - for leading the lynch on Barty and setting the trap that caught Geoffrey Nigel - because I investigated him and he helped set the trap that caught Geoffrey But you were happy to block him for three nights in a row. You didn't block him last night, but we did not know for sure until today that he was unlikely to be scum. Was this a janitor action or something else?

Probably, yes on lynching Thomas. Does unknown imply third party? In which case we should still care about Joseph.