Bjornu Posted January 16, 2012 Posted January 16, 2012 I'm back on the Classic-pirate forums again after a busy period. This time I would like to do some Islanders MOCs but I dont have the right information at hand now. So I got some questions: -Did the Islanders keep Goats/Pigs ? -Did the Islanders live in Stone Huts ? -Did the Islanders have Horses ? -Are the Islanders mainly Cannibals or just tribesmen? -Did the Islanders Use row boats or those Canoes only? Maybe more questions will follow... Thanks in forward! Greetz Bjornu Quote
Foremast Jack Posted January 16, 2012 Posted January 16, 2012 I'm back on the Classic-pirate forums again after a busy period. This time I would like to do some Islanders MOCs but I dont have the right information at hand now. So I got some questions: -Did the Islanders keep Goats/Pigs ? -Did the Islanders live in Stone Huts ? -Did the Islanders have Horses ? -Are the Islanders mainly Cannibals or just tribesmen? -Did the Islanders Use row boats or those Canoes only? Maybe more questions will follow... Thanks in forward! Greetz Bjornu Well I don't know of any kind of official LEGO canon regarding them, but had I to guess I would say the answers are: No. No. No. Tribesmen. Canoes. However, seeing how they are constantly fighting with the pirates they would have come into contact and therefore had access to pigs, goats, rowboats, and horses. So I think they could justifiably be built into a scene. Quote
Sebeus I Posted January 16, 2012 Posted January 16, 2012 There's plenty of room for your own interpretation, the Islanders are not fully defined however some of your questions can be easely answered assuming the Islanders are some kind of variant of the Inca's /Maya's / Aztecs -Did the Islanders keep Goats/Pigs ? Very unlikely, they probably only keep wild animals which they tamed (crocodiles, parrots and monkey's perhaps ?) -Did the Islanders have Horses ? Probably not, I'm not sure but I think the spanish brought horses to america and traded them with the locals for gold and stuff (didn't last long before it was no longer trade but theft) so it's possible anyway. -Did the Islanders Use row boats or those Canoes only? I assume they use boats made out of one single tree trunk so the prefab rowboat does not fit very well, however, they could fabricate different boats too so it's really up to you. Quote
Yawgmoth Posted January 16, 2012 Posted January 16, 2012 As I see the islanders, they are from South America, not any region in particular, but that's the idea it gives to me as seeing 'em.. Of course, no horses, pigs or goats, these were brought by the european.. Quote
Bjornu Posted January 16, 2012 Author Posted January 16, 2012 With "Stone hut" I mean: A round circle of stacked stones with a Palmtree roof on it Quote
Scorpiox Posted January 16, 2012 Posted January 16, 2012 With "Stone hut" I mean: A round circle of stacked stones with a Palmtree roof on it Probably not. There buildings would use stone but in blocks and chiselings of large blocks, not stacked rocks. The roofs would be wood or stone. Or no roof. They wouldn't have kept cattle, and mostly hunted wild animals. They would use canoes, not row boats. I think of them more tribesmen than cannibals. Quote
Sebeus I Posted January 16, 2012 Posted January 16, 2012 With "Stone hut" I mean: A round circle of stacked stones with a Palmtree roof on it I like the designs of the sets, maybe you shoudl go for stone sculpted houses decorated with sculpted faces. like this face for example : forbidden cove Quote
Foremast Jack Posted January 16, 2012 Posted January 16, 2012 I've seen several references to the Islanders being natives of South America (Mayans, Aztecs, etc.). This is incorrect as I see it. My impressions have always been that they are a loose representation of the Polynesian Islands of the Pacific. They very much maintain this in look and style. Quote
Yawgmoth Posted January 16, 2012 Posted January 16, 2012 I've seen several references to the Islanders being natives of South America (Mayans, Aztecs, etc.). This is incorrect as I see it. My impressions have always been that they are a loose representation of the Polynesian Islands of the Pacific. They very much maintain this in look and style. These you quoted were rather from the north,..Inca's were the ones from the south..and well.. I was kind of imagining some natives from the Amazon or something, or that was the impression they gave as a child, but disscusing with my brother about this some weeks ago, we end up believing they has some heavy influences from a far distant land ...not in America ..as you can see the bones on their hairs, the horned mask from king kahuka.. guess thats its name, and some other several details,..Inca's were more of a civilization than a tribe.. That stone face from the forbidden cove, and the one from the enchanted Island sets always seemed to me as similar as the Moai statues from Pascua Island, and that's kind of near to the Inca's civilization, so ..another reason to kept me thinking they were from south america, but .. well.. they could be some kind of strange mix after all.. Quote
Big Cam Posted January 16, 2012 Posted January 16, 2012 My thought line goes like this, if you are trying to stay true to the Islanders brand as portrayed by LEGO, then don't contradict anything that they have officially released in a set, otherwise with so few sets, the rest is open to interpretation. For example, we know they used canoes so don't give them a solar powered motor boat. Quote
Foremast Jack Posted January 16, 2012 Posted January 16, 2012 My thought line goes like this, if you are trying to stay true to the Islanders brand as portrayed by LEGO, then don't contradict anything that they have officially released in a set, otherwise with so few sets, the rest is open to interpretation. For example, we know they used canoes so don't give them a solar powered motor boat. But having been in contact with pirates and the Imperial Armada these 20 years past, surely they could have something a bit more advanced than a canoe? Quote
Sebeus I Posted January 16, 2012 Posted January 16, 2012 (edited) But having been in contact with pirates and the Imperial Armada these 20 years past, surely they could have something a bit more advanced than a canoe? Don't forget about the catamaran Edited January 16, 2012 by Sebeus Iniwum Quote
Foremast Jack Posted January 16, 2012 Posted January 16, 2012 These you quoted were rather from the north,..Inca's were the ones from the south..and well.. I was kind of imagining some natives from the Amazon or something, or that was the impression they gave as a child, but disscusing with my brother about this some weeks ago, we end up believing they has some heavy influences from a far distant land ...not in America ..as you can see the bones on their hairs, the horned mask from king kahuka.. guess thats its name, and some other several details,..Inca's were more of a civilization than a tribe.. That stone face from the forbidden cove, and the one from the enchanted Island sets always seemed to me as similar as the Moai statues from Pascua Island, and that's kind of near to the Inca's civilization, so ..another reason to kept me thinking they were from south america, but .. well.. they could be some kind of strange mix after all.. I'm hesitant to get too in-depth with arguments here for I fear it takes us too far afield of the post's intent. However, I feel that while the Islanders are without a doubt a blend of several cultures all mentioned here, had they to be attached to a single one, more than any other it would unequivocally be that of the Hawaiian Islands at the time of their discovery. Even King Kahuka's name bears witness to this. (Kahuka being a town in Hawaii, about an 1.5 hour's drive from Honolulu.) Quote
Piranha Posted January 16, 2012 Posted January 16, 2012 Even King Kahuka's name bears witness to this. (Kahuka being a town in Hawaii, about an 1.5 hour's drive from Honolulu.) Um I think you mean Kahuku. Quote
Foremast Jack Posted January 16, 2012 Posted January 16, 2012 Um I think you mean Kahuku. Yes, I did. But I think the resemblance still holds true. Quote
Weil Posted January 16, 2012 Posted January 16, 2012 My impressions have always been that they are a loose representation of the Polynesian Islands of the Pacific. I would agree. Quote
Yawgmoth Posted January 17, 2012 Posted January 17, 2012 (edited) For some of you islander lovers..check this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lego-Islanders-lot-6278-6256-6246-6236-/260933164636?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cc0d41e5c bid fast, its almost gone :P Edited January 17, 2012 by Yawgmoth Quote
Brig. Brick Posted January 17, 2012 Posted January 17, 2012 (edited) My impressions have always been that they are a loose representation of the Polynesian Islands of the Pacific. agreed! The MOAI ornament is more accurate for polynesians, but for south america, the line adventure made ACHU from the amazons, and for central america, cames the new minifig series 7 Edited January 17, 2012 by Brig. Brick Quote
Foremast Jack Posted January 17, 2012 Posted January 17, 2012 ...cames the new minifig series 7 Anyone have an idea when the new series will be released? I'd like to get a hold of the scottish bagpiper for use as and with a Napoleonic Highlander unit. Quote
Governor Mister Phes Posted January 17, 2012 Governor Posted January 17, 2012 Here is Classic-Pirates.com own unofficial interpretation of the Islanders: Guide to the Pirate Mini-Figures - Part IV - The Islanders Quote
Sebeus I Posted January 17, 2012 Posted January 17, 2012 (edited) -Did the Islanders Use row boats or those Canoes only? here you go: Modernisation for the Kahuka's Edited January 17, 2012 by Sebeus Iniwum Quote
Ardelon Posted January 17, 2012 Posted January 17, 2012 I used to thing about the Islanders as Caribbean natives, until I read previous discussions on this very site that persuaded me that the Islanders were, in fact based mostly upon Polynesians, with a bit of Caribbean thrown in to make the Islanders more generic. Apart from tell-tale Polynesian signs like the catamarans (possibly used in the Caribbean, but made famous by Polynesian travellers) and Moai, I don't know whether there were any Caribbean islanders populated by natives left in the era LEGO Pirates are based on (17th-18th centuries). So, my answers to the original questions are based on Polynesia: - The islanders kept pigs. Though I don't know if they go the pigs from European sailors or whether they brought them originally from Asia. - Don't know about stone huts, but there was stone-working in Polynesia, the Moai are the best known example. - No horses, as far as I know. - There were Canniblistic tribes in Polynesia, but mostly in neighboring Melanesia (Fiji (called the "Cannibal Islands"), and Papua New Gunea). - Canoes. Of course they could have used captured rowboats, but canoes have their advantages, and if they were trained to use canoes from an earl age, why switch to rowboats? Quote
Big Cam Posted January 17, 2012 Posted January 17, 2012 Don't forget about the catamaran Built by two canoes Quote
Bjornu Posted January 17, 2012 Author Posted January 17, 2012 Here is Classic-Pirates.com own unofficial interpretation of the Islanders: Guide to the Pirate Mini-Figures - Part IV - The Islanders Phes, I thank you really much. This Story about the Islanders made my day. Very informative, and very very Useful! Greetz Bjornu Quote
Justindale Posted January 18, 2012 Posted January 18, 2012 With "Stone hut" I mean: A round circle of stacked stones with a Palmtree roof on it I like that idea of a round hut with palm roof, maybe build it with 1x2 and 1x1 round bricks like how the round towers are being built, makes me want to put my islanders back together Quote
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