Red Menace Mafia: Day Two - Crimson Tide

[jimmynick]

Vote Tally:

Monty Thornton (mostlytechnic): 1 (Speedy)

Malcolm Cooper (Mencot): 1 (Endgame)

About 31 hours remain in the day!

[mostlytechnic]

Did I ever ask the investigator to publicly out themselves? No. I said I want to see if any results do come out. Obviously they would come from a mouthpiece, if a cop didn't use one at all it would be way too risky and unfortunate, even with a protector possibly still alive.

Right, so then how can an investigation result come out on day 2 if a mouthpiece is needed? He'd need to find a trusted person on night 1 and then use them on day 3 to share the results of night 2. It's not like someone can say today "hey, person x investigated me last night and cleared me, so now I'm a mouthpiece for them and telling you they cleared me!" Unless it was a scum trying to get the real investigator to counter-claim, but they don't have enough scum left to sacrifice one like that.

[jluck]

I know silence isn't equivalent to scummy but I do wander why we've not heard from Christopher. He was reading this just a second ago and the left. It's hard to track scum when everyone is acting scummy. I'm still searching through the candidates, but I've got a pretty solid list going and I'll be sharing more soon.

[mostlytechnic]

Hm. The quiet ones today are Christopher (but I town-read him based on yesterday), Claire (that's 2 nearly silent days in a row!), Edward (showed up just enough to put a vote on Malcolm), and then Trevor (still town-read him because I think a miller claim would be darn risky - but in a crew this small, it might be worth the risk because there's not likely to BE a miller to counter-claim - but again, what's the gain? No one's going to trust enough to share info privately, so all you've done is put yourself at risk of a vig kill test of your claim)

But number of words alone does not make someone scummy or loyal. As of now, Bob's pinging my radar the most based off of yesterday's voting patterns. Well, after Adrienne, but she's already dead :) Claire, Ed, and Phil I have at zero on my trust scale still.

So let's look at the voting of those people.

Phillip's the easiest. He put the first vote on Jerry and then just sat there. Could be legit, or could easily be a scum move to have a few people place scattered votes on day 1 and see what sticks.

Claire and Trevor - didn't vote. Yeah, that scum-reads to me for sure.

Edward - he put the third vote on Jerry after Phillip and Christopher. Decent place for a scum vote, it's early enough to seem legit but far enough in to hopefully start a trend.

Hm. Think I'm going to move Phil to a slight scum-read. Trevor I still can't see it being a scum trick, so keep him at zero. Claire, I wanna slight scum-read her too. And ed, keep him zero I think for now.

Later I'll go back through all the comments by these people and see if I can find anything else worth commenting on...

[CMP]

I know silence isn't equivalent to scummy but I do wander why we've not heard from Christopher. He was reading this just a second ago and the left. It's hard to track scum when everyone is acting scummy. I'm still searching through the candidates, but I've got a pretty solid list going and I'll be sharing more soon.

I'm busy looking through day one.

Personally, I want to look at Ed. His posts are reasonable but amount to summaries of what other people have said followed by a vote for arguably the 'obvious' lynch of the day. I would bet that if we start voting Monty instead of Malcolm - although I don't really care to see either lynched based on some conversations - he would change his vote without a second thought. Jerry seemed suspect of him, Spencer and I, and though I think it seems to be generally acknowledged both Spencer and I townlean (is that the word we're using now instead of read?) I think he may have been right on in suspecting Ed. He's one of the more quiet players and doesn't really seem to add anything beyond a vote.

[Calanon]

Hm. The quiet ones today are Christopher (but I town-read him based on yesterday), Claire (that's 2 nearly silent days in a row!), Edward (showed up just enough to put a vote on Malcolm), and then Trevor (still town-read him because I think a miller claim would be darn risky - but in a crew this small, it might be worth the risk because there's not likely to BE a miller to counter-claim - but again, what's the gain? No one's going to trust enough to share info privately, so all you've done is put yourself at risk of a vig kill test of your claim)

But number of words alone does not make someone scummy or loyal. As of now, Bob's pinging my radar the most based off of yesterday's voting patterns. Well, after Adrienne, but she's already dead :) Claire, Ed, and Phil I have at zero on my trust scale still.

So let's look at the voting of those people.

Phillip's the easiest. He put the first vote on Jerry and then just sat there. Could be legit, or could easily be a scum move to have a few people place scattered votes on day 1 and see what sticks.

Claire and Trevor - didn't vote. Yeah, that scum-reads to me for sure.

Edward - he put the third vote on Jerry after Phillip and Christopher. Decent place for a scum vote, it's early enough to seem legit but far enough in to hopefully start a trend.

Hm. Think I'm going to move Phil to a slight scum-read. Trevor I still can't see it being a scum trick, so keep him at zero. Claire, I wanna slight scum-read her too. And ed, keep him zero I think for now.

Later I'll go back through all the comments by these people and see if I can find anything else worth commenting on...

I did not vote yesterday because, as I said in my first post today, I unexpectedly had a lot of things to do. I wish I had managed to at least vote though - alas I did not. As for today after my two posts, I've still had no luck with the puzzle.

[def]

I know I go on and on about wanting people to explain things, but some info came up that has moved him off to the side. Again, like Christopher, I'm not going to vouch for them. He's just not in my first line of suspects.

Sorry, I thought you wrote Malcolm, not Monty. I'll explain tomorrow.

[jluck]

Alright, I feel that it's time to change the nature of the game and get things rolling because this low-level squabbling is getting us nowhere. On day one I correctly answered the average depth of the submarine question and was given a one night only investigator ability. With it, I investigated Monty (mostlytechnic) who (to my complete suprise) came back as town. Unless the scum have some way of masking their identity, such as a one off ability, this investigation will have to go in another direction.

Oh and scum, you can target me all you want, now that that ability is gone, I'm as vanilla as an ice cream.

[mostlytechnic]

Thanks for that, Jeremy! Glad we can hopefully get past arguing over me and hunt the actual scum! (besides, if the COOK was scum you'd all be dead! Easy as pie to put some poison in your pie at dinner. Duh!)

So... with me (hopefully, obviously one could argue that jeremy and I are BOTH scum trying to pull a scam here, but come on, really?) cleared... anyone want to make better observations about yesterday's voting?

I'm not going to say anyone arguing against me was scum, because I do see how I could have been suspicious with my vote changes and all. HOWEVER, I'm not scum. Surely SOME of the people trying to off me are suspicious since they'd have been equally happy with me or Jerry getting lynched. Anyone else have Boris pinging their sonar screens yet? Him, Phil, and Claire are the scummiest to me right now. I've stated my case on them already today.

I'll likely be away for a while now (got some heavy-duty galley cleaning to do) but will absolutely be back multiple times before the end of the day. So I'm not placing a vote yet, but if I had to, I'd vote Boris.

You know, just in case a pan falls on my head and knocks me out or something, I will go ahead and vote.

Vote: Boris (bob)

[Endgame]

Well, that's a bit of a game changer...

I would argue that being third out of seven, while being a "decent" place for a scum vote, isn't really incriminating. It's the equivalent to claiming that any moderately townie action is just a scum putting on a good act, which is silly.

However, the clearing of Monty really only solidifies my vote against against Malcolm.

[Bob]

Sorry I'm a bit late. Once again, I'm going to vote for:

Vote: Monty Thornton (mostlytechnic)

I've stated all the various reasons before, and they haven't changed since then. Plus for a reason I can't discern, he's targeting me.

Oh, whoops, I didn't see that post by Jeremy.

Unvote: Monty Thornton (mostlytechnic)

[Endgame]

Sorry I'm a bit late. Once again, I'm going to vote for:

Vote: Monty Thornton (mostlytechnic)

I've stated all the various reasons before, and they haven't changed since then. Plus for a reason I can't discern, he's targeting me.

I take it you don't believe Jeremy, then?

[Bob]

I take it you don't believe Jeremy, then?

I believe I corrected my vote.

[TrumpetKing]

Hm. The quiet ones today are Christopher (but I town-read him based on yesterday), Claire (that's 2 nearly silent days in a row!), Edward (showed up just enough to put a vote on Malcolm), and then Trevor (still town-read him because I think a miller claim would be darn risky - but in a crew this small, it might be worth the risk because there's not likely to BE a miller to counter-claim - but again, what's the gain? No one's going to trust enough to share info privately, so all you've done is put yourself at risk of a vig kill test of your claim)

But number of words alone does not make someone scummy or loyal. As of now, Bob's pinging my radar the most based off of yesterday's voting patterns. Well, after Adrienne, but she's already dead :) Claire, Ed, and Phil I have at zero on my trust scale still.

So let's look at the voting of those people.

Phillip's the easiest. He put the first vote on Jerry and then just sat there. Could be legit, or could easily be a scum move to have a few people place scattered votes on day 1 and see what sticks.

Claire and Trevor - didn't vote. Yeah, that scum-reads to me for sure.

Edward - he put the third vote on Jerry after Phillip and Christopher. Decent place for a scum vote, it's early enough to seem legit but far enough in to hopefully start a trend.

Hm. Think I'm going to move Phil to a slight scum-read. Trevor I still can't see it being a scum trick, so keep him at zero. Claire, I wanna slight scum-read her too. And ed, keep him zero I think for now.

Later I'll go back through all the comments by these people and see if I can find anything else worth commenting on...

In response to the I estimator thing a while bavk, a mouthpiece would work with a night one town investigation. The report would just have to come the next day. Usually when you have a guilty night one it seems to be easier find somebody you trust

"That scum reads me, but he's not tricking us". Am I scummy or townie?? Make up your mind! I didn't vote because I was on a vacation on the ship. Tending the hill is a lot of work! I don't like how you keep bringing up the things I've done that you seem to disapprove of, labeling them as scummy, and then going on to say that I'm not tricking you guys. It's coming off as very wishy washy to me and as if you want to appease the whole crew by saying something that deal with things both the scum and the town would like. Also, this makes me a bit hesitant with Jeremy's report. With what is assumed to be around two spies left, I would be willing to guess that they have a godfather, which makes a player appear as town when scum. I'm not quite ready to move straight on to somebody else yet.

*investigator, back.

[mostlytechnic]

"That scum reads me, but he's not tricking us". Am I scummy or townie?? Make up your mind!

Um, I did make up my mind. I said that both you and claire have a scum-lean due to not voting, but in your case, I think the miller claim is probably true and outweighs the not voting. So I rate you neutral to slightly town leaning. Clear enough?

[jluck]

Hello?! Hellooooooo?! Did everyone go out for a swim? I know there may not be a ton to discuss, and it is the weekend, but a silent forum is the scums playground.

[def]

Yup. Quiet town, happy scum.

[mostlytechnic]

It's so dead around here even I've quit talking...

[def]

Well, I want to get this out of the way while we have time. I have talked to the cop and some others, and we have a little town block going. Vig, if you can trust me (and you're not an SK), please get in touch. My main concern is killing someone we need in the coming days. I have trust in them, and we can win this fairly easily if we work together. If we aren't together, things might crumble.

If scum are down to two (supposing there were three to start, which is most likely) , that would put us at 8:2. We are probably okay, but theoretically, they could win in two days (two x mislynch, vig mis-kill, and their regular kills). Let's lock this down. Screw those scumbums.

And for the rest of you, feel free to vote anytime! We need your input!

[jluck]

Ok so at least 2 bad guys left, one confirmed scum voted for Monty, a now confirmed town from the investigation. Adrienne changed her vote at the last second to Monty which made her stand out. Her friends hid earlier. Boris (bob) voted at the beginning, the first to vote for Monty. Normally, this isn't the scummiest thing to do, but I now wander considering Adrienne's last second vote change. Was she trying to join a scum wagon she'd been told to pull for? Either way, I'm not certain of anything but the day is winding down and the only logic I've seen so far has been against Boris so:

vote: Boris (bob)

It's a stretch but we gotta go somewhere today and we feel stuck.

[Bob]

Vote: Christopher Milton Poindexter / CallMePie

He's being unusually quiet. And there's this:

I'm busy looking through day one.

That's a line used by someone that's just attempting to avoid talking in here.

Vote: Christopher Milton Poindexter / CallMePie

Sorry, I'm a noob. I forgot to bold it.

[CMP]

He's being unusually quiet. And there's this:

I've been talking. Not so much here though. I don't count you among those I townread.

What happened to your suspicions about Malcolm? You've been talking about nothing but Monty, but now that he's been investigated as town you don't even bring up the only other person you've even mentioned over the course of two days?

You're in the same 'generic, stating-the-obvious posting' boat as Edward. I haven't paid much attention since you you're typically this useless when you're town, but this is a small game and others at least have a little credibility based on what they've been saying.

[Bob]

I'll respond in stages.

I've been talking. Not so much here though. I don't count you among those I townread.

You've posted three times today, one of which was to respond to my vote immediately after I placed it. Is it a coincidence that you were here almost right after I placed my vote, or did someone tell you to get into the thread and post? Personally, I don't believe in coincidences, but that's just me. Also, "not so much here though", the famous "Oh, I'm communicating with people behind the scenes, I'm way to busy to actually talk in thread" line.

What happened to your suspicions about Malcolm? You've been talking about nothing but Monty, but now that he's been investigated as town you don't even bring up the only other person you've even mentioned over the course of two days?

Malcolm usually always acts this way, even as town. He has scatterbrained statements and a nonsensical attitude. I'm not sure what to make of it other than perhaps he's just a bit confused. You, however, are being unusually quiet for somebody that's normally boisterous and out there. Either you're being extremely lazy or you're trying to fly under the radar. I'm not sure which it is yet.

You're in the same 'generic, stating-the-obvious posting' boat as Edward. I haven't paid much attention since you you're typically this useless when you're town, but this is a small game and others at least have a little credibility based on what they've been saying.

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black - you think I'm useless, yet you're stating the same thing that people have said before you. I will give you some credit that you at least put an idea forward that we should look at Ed. Overall my vote was mostly meant to not only kick you in the megablocks and get you posting more, which I guess it sort of did because you did make a rebuttal towards me, but also to see your reaction to the vote. I'm not really impressed by your rebuttal, since it wasn't really defending yourself. You really just wondered why I was voting for you instead of someone else and then you insulted me. I'm actually surprised that you didn't vote for me.

All in all, I believe my vote will be staying with you for now, unless something better comes up.

[CMP]

You've posted three times today, one of which was to respond to my vote immediately after I placed it. Is it a coincidence that you were here almost right after I placed my vote, or did someone tell you to get into the thread and post?

Neither. I'm almost always here and always reading. I guess I could post some meaningless fluff and look more active if it bothers you so much. If I have something to add or respond to then I respond to it. I don't post unless I've got something with a little substance to say. I'd ask you to consider trying it but you'd probably get killed off for inactivity.

I'm not really impressed by your rebuttal, since it wasn't really defending yourself.

Hang on, let me dig up that carefully constructed argument of yours and give me a couple minutes to get my thoughts together and write up a response.

He's being unusually quiet.

I'm unusually busy.

That includes looking through day one like I mentioned. Incidentally, I found some stuff there.

An interesting claim this early in Day One, but I have no reason to doubt it yet. It could either be a ploy to appear innocent when he's investigated or he could be genuine about it.

I don't know about Malcom. He's always like this in most of the other games we play on the submarine, I'm not sure I'd believe he's acting any differently now. As for fluffy posts that have no substance, I'd like to put forward another candidate:

Vote: Monty Thornton (Mostlytechnic)

Calling people out for not talking, no real conversation additions in his posts, and he's posting an awful lot to make himself look active.

Stating the obvious, cautious metagaming (not to say that's immediately a bad thing), reasonable vote.

I appreciate the pun at the end there, but I don't really see you like this in other games. Perhaps it's that I haven't really noticed you in other games.

More metagaming, but implying it's the only reason he's voting for Monty rather than Malcom?

Yet again calling people out for being too quiet. This is the post that people make when they want to appear active when in reality it's just calling someone else out and stating the obvious. It's quite clear that we're far away from a majority vote.

Defending his vote against Monty because Monty was calling someone quiet out and stating the obvious to try and appear active.

Sounds great on paper, except now Boris is calling someone quiet out and stating the obvious to try and appear active.

I haven't really seen anything that's particularly scummy about Jerry other than he rejected and questioned the claim that Trevor is a miller. I don't see anything scummy about not taking every statement as truth from the other people on this submarine. I'll be staying with my current vote of Monty. Not only has he been posting fluff, but he's been calling out other players and is now pushing for the vote against Jerry to save his own skin.

Three hours left in the day and now Boris thinks Jerry is innocent.

You might have a higher post count today, but the difference is that yours have been mostly prodding at the same people, encouraging people to vote (as if we all don't know the consequences of not voting), confronting people, or just general random statements. The only thing you're trying to do is make yourself look overtly active. Why, I'm not sure yet. you could be attempting to catapult yourself to guarenteed town status or you could just want to make yourself look active geniuenly because you want to help the town. I'll reiterate that I believe that behavior to be scummier than Jerry's, the only person who didn't immediately buy Trevor's story.

Two hours left in the day and now Boris is really thinking Monty is scummier than Jerry. He also thinks townies try to make themselves look active and scum try to catapult themselves to guaranteed town status by also being active. What the hell is going through your head?? If activity (or at the bare minimum the appearance thereof) is so crucial to being townie why are you so godawful at it?

Vote: Boris Benson (Bob).

Thanks for the prod though.

[def]

Two hours left in the day

I think about 16 hours are left.