mostlytechnic Posted September 5, 2014 Posted September 5, 2014 As for Christopher, I ask you to read the thread and see why I came to that conclusion. I'm not going to vouch for him, but early on, it's helpful to lean one way or the other if you can, based on behaviour. I agree leans are useful - I was just asking for the basis of your leaning. I'll re-read yesterday, but my end of the day notes had him still rated a 0 (on my scale, everyone starts at 0. 10 is confirmed town, -10 is confirmed scum).
Mencot Posted September 5, 2014 Posted September 5, 2014 You seem to be avoiding everything and every question made against you with mixing it up and trying to insult me. You make an good effort that no one would question you! I agree leans are useful - I was just asking for the basis of your leaning. I'll re-read yesterday, but my end of the day notes had him still rated a 0 (on my scale, everyone starts at 0. 10 is confirmed town, -10 is confirmed scum). Chris is pretty much in the 0 section for me also but I guess Spencer knows best. But will have to re read, because it doesn´t do any harm doing it.
mostlytechnic Posted September 5, 2014 Posted September 5, 2014 Monty Thornton (mostlytechnic): 4 (Bob, Peanuts, JimBee, adventurer1) Jerry Bergeron (JimBee): 7 (PirateDave84, CallMePie, Endgame, mostlytechnic, Speedy, Mencot, jluckhaupt) I don´t know but I don´t think scum would had put 2 scum on the monty vote, so the other 1 or 2 scum are on the Jerry lynch. Why do you think there's possibly only 2 total spies on this boat? I just can't see the Soviets putting so little effort into it. I think there's gotta be 2 or 3 left. So in that case I can completely see the scum putting a vote on Jerry and Bob on me at the start - remember that Adrienne didn't vote for me till AFTER the lynch was done! Her vote basically doesn't matter. So surely they'd have had a vote on each of the main suspects? The only person to unvote me was Jeremy, to seal the lynch on Jerry.
Mencot Posted September 5, 2014 Posted September 5, 2014 Why do you think there's possibly only 2 total spies on this boat? Probably it is 3, that is why I said 1-2 left. Considering how many we are on this sub, it is 3 but one can´t know. remember that Adrienne didn't vote for me till AFTER the lynch was done! Her vote basically doesn't matter. So surely they'd have had a vote on each of the main suspects? The only person to unvote me was Jeremy, to seal the lynch on Jerry. Can be, yes.
Piratedave84 Posted September 5, 2014 Posted September 5, 2014 Looking at that vote 'analysis' there's only one thing that strikes me a suspicious (besides Adrienne's last minute vote) and it's Jeremy's vote: A little more than an hour left, and one vote short of a lynch. Nothing has changed for me, Monty still seems to be the most suspicious one. But we need a lynch and the info it provides so my hand is being forced. Sorry Jerry, you are clearly not my first choice but here goes: Unvote: Monty (MostlyTechnic) Vote: Jerry Bergeron (JimBee) I hope this is worth it. You sealed his faith when you had a choice so why did you choose to change your vote? What's wrong with a no-lynch on day 1? Why not stick to your convictions and keep your vote on Monty? What info did Jerry's lynch provide you/us?
def Posted September 5, 2014 Posted September 5, 2014 You seem to be avoiding everything and every question made against you with mixing it up and trying to insult me. You make an good effort that no one would question you! I didn't insult you (except to say you were a dip when you wrote something dippy), and answered your questions. What didn't get answered? Looking at that vote 'analysis' there's only one thing that strikes me a suspicious (besides Adrienne's last minute vote) and it's Jeremy's vote: You sealed his faith when you had a choice so why did you choose to change your vote? What's wrong with a no-lynch on day 1? Why not stick to your convictions and keep your vote on Monty? What info did Jerry's lynch provide you/us? So you think both Jeremy and Adrienne tried to do a last minute seal the deal scum vote? It's possible that there was Writeboard miscommunication, but I find it unlikely two scum would be that uncoordinated.
Piratedave84 Posted September 5, 2014 Posted September 5, 2014 I didn't insult you (except to say you were a dip when you wrote something dippy), and answered your questions. What didn't get answered? So you think both Jeremy and Adrienne tried to do a last minute seal the deal scum vote? It's possible that there was Writeboard miscommunication, but I find it unlikely two scum would be that uncoordinated. Unlikely but not impossible; the day was drawing to a close, there was about 20-25 minutes between those votes, a no-lynch is only bad for scum amd as such it needed to happen, bothof them are saying "hey Monty is more suspicious but if you twist my rubber arm, I'll vote for Jerry" ... same last minute vote, same identical justification ... seems suspicious
jluck Posted September 5, 2014 Posted September 5, 2014 Looking at that vote 'analysis' there's only one thing that strikes me a suspicious (besides Adrienne's last minute vote) and it's Jeremy's vote: You sealed his faith when you had a choice so why did you choose to change your vote? What's wrong with a no-lynch on day 1? Why not stick to your convictions and keep your vote on Monty? What info did Jerry's lynch provide you/us? While I respect your opinion I think I can clearly articulate why you are incorrect. Regardless of the logic Speedy presented regarding the scum never being so clumsy as to both change their vote at the last second. Regardless of the fact that I didn't want to hang Jerry as I felt he was town (spoiler: he was). Regardless of the fact that if I were scum I would have just rode a Jerry vote the whole time to fit in. Here's my real point, we do in fact need a day 1 hanging, otherwise an entire day of valuable voting data is lost. If we don't know who voted for (now confirmed) town and scum we would start day 2 at nearly the same place as day 1. So yes I did seal his fate, and yes it was against my conviction at the time, but what the alternative? Keep my vote the same, lose a hanging, and basically protect someone that a majority thought was suspicious? Jerry wasn't my first choice, but it needed done, and I just hope his loss can lead to the true spies.
Piratedave84 Posted September 5, 2014 Posted September 5, 2014 While I respect your opinion I think I can clearly articulate why you are incorrect. Regardless of the logic Speedy presented regarding the scum never being so clumsy as to both change their vote at the last second. Regardless of the fact that I didn't want to hang Jerry as I felt he was town (spoiler: he was). Regardless of the fact that if I were scum I would have just rode a Jerry vote the whole time to fit in. Here's my real point, we do in fact need a day 1 hanging, otherwise an entire day of valuable voting data is lost. If we don't know who voted for (now confirmed) town and scum we would start day 2 at nearly the same place as day 1. So yes I did seal his fate, and yes it was against my conviction at the time, but what the alternative? Keep my vote the same, lose a hanging, and basically protect someone that a majority thought was suspicious? Jerry wasn't my first choice, but it needed done, and I just hope his loss can lead to the true spies. Votes can be analyzed later as well, in fact taking a step back and looking at votes after a couple of days usually provides much more information. Had Adrienne not been revealed as scum (let's face it the odds of the vig getting lucky on day 1 are pretty slim), what would the vote have told you?
jluck Posted September 5, 2014 Posted September 5, 2014 Votes can be analyzed later as well, in fact taking a step back and looking at votes after a couple of days usually provides much more information. Had Adrienne not been revealed as scum (let's face it the odds of the vig getting lucky on day 1 are pretty slim), what would the vote have told you? You are right that we got lucky picking off a scum day 1, but even without a scum kill there is still info to be gotten. If we vote out a town member we know where possible scum are hiding and we have one less person for a vig to kill. Let's face it, if Jerry isn't voted out day one it's quite possible our vig kills him instead of Adrienne, thus wasting a valuable night action. I still hold that a day 1 hang is useful and generally needed, otherwise we'd all just sit the day out and wait for the scum to work.
Calanon Posted September 5, 2014 Posted September 5, 2014 I apologise for my absence yesterday, I unexpectedly found myself with very little time to do anything. Now going to catch up on everything...
Bob Posted September 5, 2014 Posted September 5, 2014 Why do you think there's possibly only 2 total spies on this boat? I just can't see the Soviets putting so little effort into it. I think there's gotta be 2 or 3 left. So in that case I can completely see the scum putting a vote on Jerry and Bob on me at the start - remember that Adrienne didn't vote for me till AFTER the lynch was done! Her vote basically doesn't matter. So surely they'd have had a vote on each of the main suspects? The only person to unvote me was Jeremy, to seal the lynch on Jerry. I'm honestly not sure why you think I'm scum so badly. Is it because I get such a strong vibe off of you? It's actually getting kind of weird at this point that you've got such a hard-on for trying to get me torpedoed away. Did I do something to offend you other than call you out? Your logic is just as nonsensical as it was earlier in the day. Are you really so desperate that you're simply jumping to whatever conclusions pop into your head? Also, I won't waste the space on the quotes from Malcolm, but they're all really weird to me. One second he's on the offense, the next he's on the defense. I'm afraid I just don't get it. So, yeah, Malcolm and Monty are at the top of my list. I'm willing to bet that with 14 players there are 3 scum. One is already dead, leaving us with just two more. There's also the potential for some unknown third party player, but that's making things very cluttered.
mostlytechnic Posted September 5, 2014 Posted September 5, 2014 I'm honestly not sure why you think I'm scum so badly. I'm not sure that you're scum, but looking at all the evidence from yesterday logically (as opposed to just "gut feelings" and emotions and arguments and fluff) your initial vote stands out. And as I said, it has nothing to do with that vote being for me. If the votes yesterday had been split between Jerry and someone else the same way, I'd still be pinging. The reason I keep bringing it up today is because people (ie you) keep asking. So I keep explaining. Today's lynch is a long way off and it's possible something will come up to change my mind. My mind is still open, not made up yet, but right now you ping me as the most suspicious person here.
Mencot Posted September 5, 2014 Posted September 5, 2014 Chris is pretty much in the 0 section for me also but I guess Spencer knows best. But will have to re read, because it doesn´t do any harm doing it. Reading through yesterdays posts, I will raise Chris from the 0 section towards a possible town. But I did not see the fuss about him and his action. Nothing much new did I learn from reading the day 1 thread overall, the voting pattern is the biggest to go on and how people change in the last minutes of the day.
Endgame Posted September 5, 2014 Posted September 5, 2014 Thumbs up the the vig. Malcolm's behavior does strike me as erratic - perhaps his defensive/offensive attitude is not entirely unwarranted, merely because the "pings" may have him defensive - but he's not constructing his arguments right. That isn't what bothers me most, though - it's the fact that he more or less ignored many of Spencer's points, saying he twisted his words. Meanwhile, he won't respond to his main points. You seem to be avoiding everything and every question made against you with mixing it up and trying to insult me. You make an good effort that no one would question you! Why not respond to his questions then? Speicifcally, are you having communication issues, who are Spencer's friends, and why all of the non-sequiter conditional statements?
Mencot Posted September 5, 2014 Posted September 5, 2014 Why not respond to his questions then? Speicifcally, are you having communication issues, who are Spencer's friends, and why all of the non-sequiter conditional statements? I responded to some of his questions, but I didn´t feel the need to answer all of them because they wouldn´t give any content to finding the scum. "Friends" is meaning scum. I am not thinking that Spencer is scum or I was trying to find and bug him out that I could know if he is. He did not really break. But I am considering him more town than scum. Others I think are towards town is Claire, Philip, Chris, Jeremy. The others I don´t know, they are around 0 on Monty´s scale of town vs scum.
jimmynick Posted September 5, 2014 Author Posted September 5, 2014 Interlude Thaddeus Mortimore was rooting around inside a cupboard. "Have you found it yet?" asked Christopher Milton Poindexter (CallMePie). "No dip," responded the Lieutenant Commander. Boris Benson (Bob) was in the head, from where Adrienne Walton's remains had thankfully been removed. But, still, he avoided sitting on the toilet where she had sat when she met her bloody end. Meanwhile, Jacob Neumann was having a look around in the radio room. He found something red in a stack of papers, and took it to show his Lieutenant Commander. "Say, Thaddeus," he began, "I found this paper with some very misspelled words on it. I think these Russkies don't know how to write proper American." "That's actually mostly in code," responded Thaddeus Mortimore. Submarine Information: Name: USS Portland Namesake: The City of Portland, Organ Home Port: Naval Statoin Norfolk (Norfolk, Vigenere) Displacement: 6000 long tnos (light); 6927 long tons (full); 927 long tons (dead) Long: 110.3m Beem: 10m Draft: 9.4m Propulsion: S6G Nucular Reactor Fast: 20 knots Mission Objective: JSJZG AOPHK MSDEO ARWWY OUOJT BMYNF UFGJC GSDTT GOAHJ YVLDF HIJOX VVBVY VPCUW GFBOK YZFBW EDBOT MWPFR GGJSO CBTLU HZPVT KDYYY GGZKG FMUOJ DGEOZ SONGE OQOEI KPBRD CNQLD RRFWG EYYSZ YGOOF WXSHS OAWKB CFVQP VNBGK YIRGZ PSARV KSLDV BXYVP MNDZY OWSFH GNUDD UOKUZ LQHSK MWDZY OEJHZ EEWEY SWVVU VSQPC HUXJG ECGVR YHSOP CDROY NRFFS PZKER ZXTLS EZPTP WSIWF ZGDYV HJMCF VQBFY PPDBC UNTQS PICYH ZKPVZ JJPDU WJRWD CVCEB WERBI KFHEB NQKNB RKAMR YHPXG WFSKS KGSMJ FJYHR FUZPK FSUTB ZDFHR WHVSY ZZSUZ PSOED CQDUS TWSH Message Dated July 5th, 1980: JSYFJ PBRQV NJPNL CLWAP CFOXJ OMYHH KMSOO NHYXC YLBOI IHSOH GJUCC DYOEI KPMNB ETHLV YCNYV PCUWG YCCOG IISHZ DUSLS WEOQG KFHPC CZVFG PXNJZ LOEOG CRWSY NRNMT IDLRH NJSYD USZXZ LXQGF KBZFN MRESX VLOJT KPWNM IJGEY ESTTB EBBZR SREKX SKMSD RVDZS HZCBJ ZJHSK ARJ "Whatever the case, I don't understand a word of what it says. The first 3 people who can tell me what all this means might get a little prize," said Neumann. Voting is now open.
def Posted September 6, 2014 Posted September 6, 2014 That leaves Monty, Philip, Malcolm, Edward, and Boris as the ones I want to look at more. For the time being, I'm amending this list to: Monty, Edward, and Boris Vote: Monty (mostlyTechnic) I have a logic for it, but I want to see how others vote, if there is anyone else even here. All I hear is crickets. I'll be happy to explain it after the votes start coming in. Anyone have any luck with that puzzle? I suck at codes. It depends on what the prize is whether it's safe to say, but it would be nice to know it's been claimed.
Calanon Posted September 6, 2014 Posted September 6, 2014 I'm having no luck with the code either, my initial thought was the second letter of each cluster but all I got from that was "SOS RUM", I was hoping the M would be an S instead. Hm, this is tricky but we need to keep working on it, I shall report back if I manage to get something.
mostlytechnic Posted September 6, 2014 Posted September 6, 2014 Sorry, was busy trying to crack that code. Takes a while when you've got just pencil and paper since the internet hasn't been invented yet... Ok, so trying to see why a couple of you are town-leaning on Chris. Let's see how his day 1 went. A couple fluff posts, no big deal there. Then he joins the Jerry vote as the third person with decent logic/explanation. Then I voted for him as a prod since he'd been quiet. He replied that he didn't like my poking and that Adrienne was suspicious for bland comments. Then talks a little that he doesn't think I wanted a lynch (not true at all, fwiw). I unvoted Chris and switched to Jerry since it was time for real votes instead of any more pokes. Jerry told us to check out Ed, Chris, and Spencer but didn't really say why those 3. And finally Chris called out Adrienne's late vote switch. So that's why you're town-leaning on him? He nailed Adrienne (twice!) with his suspicions? I'll buy that logic.
def Posted September 6, 2014 Posted September 6, 2014 So that's why you're town-leaning on him? He nailed Adrienne (twice!) with his suspicions? I'll buy that logic. That's basically it. He had no idea she would be killed night one, so it seems weird to point her out if they were on the same team. You read <not to imply you don't, just that I'm happy to see someone else doing it!>
Endgame Posted September 6, 2014 Posted September 6, 2014 I'm more inclined to vote for Malcolm - his posts today have either been messy, disjointed, randomly passive/agressive/defensive/offensive, or just leaning back on Monty's rating system. Vote: Malcolm (Mencot) I'd be interested in hearing your justification for Monty, though, Spencer.
def Posted September 6, 2014 Posted September 6, 2014 I'd be interested in hearing your justification for Monty, though, Spencer. I know I go on and on about wanting people to explain things, but some info came up that has moved him off to the side. Again, like Christopher, I'm not going to vouch for them. He's just not in my first line of suspects.
TrumpetKing Posted September 6, 2014 Posted September 6, 2014 Why on earth do you both expect investigator results? Let's assume an investigator checked someone out and found them to be loyal. Great, the investigator can contact that person and start some talking. But for the investigator to SHARE that info means he's going to die asap from the spies. Maybe a protector can save him for one night, but still... usually the investigator wants to use the person cleared on night 1 as a mouthpiece about who they check on later nights. So that means nothing to share untill day 3. Now, if the investigator found a scum, then that'd be worth sharing publicly and trust a protector to save him tonight. So maybe we'll get lucky and have a scum caught, but odds are not high on that (just strictly speaking mathematically here, there's more town than spies - a good investigator is more likely to check someone suspicious and hopefully be right in finding scum) Did I ever ask the investigator to publicly out themselves? No. I said I want to see if any results do come out. Obviously they would come from a mouthpiece, if a cop didn't use one at all it would be way too risky and unfortunate, even with a protector possibly still alive. Really, I was more helpful in other hunts on DAY 1? How's that possible? Face it, day 1 is pretty much throwing darts and seeing what we hit. This time as usual we jumped on something small and blew it out of proportion because we were desperate to have any suspicion to base a vote on. So what's your reasoning on leaning town on claire, right after saying she's suspicious for being so quiet? Because scum would have voted? Or what? Second, why a townread on Christopher? He was pretty darn quiet too, not a lot to go on. FWIW, I agree on town lean for Trevor (miller claim is too risky for scum to have tried) and Jeremy (his questions/comments yesterday seemed legit to me. And he sealed the lynch on Jerry when Adrienne still hadn't voted, so no need to if they're both scum). Using day one as an excuse to not be helpful is a rather lame one, don't you think? You have plenty of opportunities to be helpful around the sub on the first day. People here have already been proving that with the events that went down yesterday. People were, for the mostpart, contributing and helping, which gives you no excuse not to do so, especially if you're going to push the attention on your past experiences, which aren't even necessarily true, and use that as evidence to prove your innocence. It just doesn't click with me.
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