def Posted June 14, 2014 Posted June 14, 2014 I have a question for the more experienced players, can a game really be this open and shut? It seems like this is almost too easy, but maybe that just happens. Mainly because there are so few players, town had some luck, and scum were not paranoid about votes ever being revealed. This is a rare occurrence. But we don't have number 3 locked down. Suspicions, but not locked down.
Bob Posted June 14, 2014 Posted June 14, 2014 Let me tell you all the story of my life, from my birth to now. I was born in the Presidential Palace fifty years ago when my grandfather was President of Noctorno Island here. My grandmother was a secret drunk and my parents were rarely around, since my father was consolidating support for his own eventual run for President. As a result, I was raised by my grandmother, who loved me dearly despite her drinking problem. I was told from a young age that I was exceptional at reading and writing, but maybe the teachers were just afraid of my family. When I was six years old I started playing the piano. I wasn't very good at it and I kept the entire palace awake at night playing bad renditions of excellent music. I decided to take up the drums, and maybe join a Jazz band one day, but eventually I returned to the piano. I still have it in my own palace, but with practice and age I've gotten much better. As I grew I started to attend private schools in America where I could get a quality education, since Noctorno Island didn't have good public schools back then. At this time, my father had taken power from my very old grandfather, who wanted to retire and live the rest of his days as an alpaca farmer out in the wilderness of this island. He died, mauled to death by an alpaca a few months later. Most people couldn't believe such a docile animal could harm the elderly man, but I think my grandfather abused the alpacas. Sexually. In the United States, I was able to attend one of the most prestigious Ivy League schools simply due to my fathers status. However, trouble was brewing on my happy island. Our citizens were becoming aware of this "democracy" thing. I was under the impression that Noctorno Island was already a democracy. After all, we have a President. What more could the people ask for? I was forced to return home and I took up a post in the Noctorno Army to quell the rebellion, but my father needed help. That's when we found the Malone family. They were very eager to help us out as long as we turned the other way to their illegal activities. My father agreed, but he died a few weeks later of a mysterious disease that suddenly killed him. Our doctors didn't know what it was and neither did I even though I was also appointed Surgeon General. I took office as President of Noctorno Island and immediately continued operations with the Malone family. Sure, it would have been nice giving food and public education to my people, but I like working for the Malone's better. My first act as President was to adopt a national anthem, which I composed myself. However, being such a good pianist I was able to come up with an amazing anthem that doesn't use the piano. That thing is just too heavy for the marching band to drag around wherever I'm making a formal appearance. My second act as President was to establish a Bank of Noctorno Island, which I became the Chairman of. People yelled "Benito, that's a conflict of interest!", but I said "I'm not interested in your conflicts." And I had them all imprisoned. Unfortunately since our population is so tiny a small chunk of our people are current in jail for life. But that's okay, because who needs them? I don't need them telling me that I'm conflicted in my interests. My next act was to build a giant bridge from here to Noctorno's neighboring island. Sure, it's ten miles away, but building a bridge is an excellent way to put people to work and promote great thinking. The environmentalists told me that I would devastate whole ecosystems, and the President of the island I wanted to build to told me that a bridge was not necessary and he wouldn't grant me permits to build it in his land. But what did I say to them? I told them, you're wrong. Building bridges is a great way to promote thoughtful thinking. The bridge is only fifty feet long at the moment, and the project is postponed, but it'll be finished eventually, I'm sure. Speaking of unfinished business, I could tell you about the time I started building a Noctorno Stock Exchange, before being told it would be a massive waste since nobody would want my currency and I don't have any companies on Noctorno that are publicly traded. I could also tell you about the time I doubled the police force just so I could build another police station. Wait, that's a good thing. Well, maybe not for the people, because the police are all in my pocket and in the Malone's pocket. Bearing that in mind, where are the police right now to rescue me from these nutcases who want to lynch me? Don't I have a personal bodyguard? I'm the corrupt despotic President of a small island nation. Where's my personal guard? This is even more implausible than Dystopia Mafia, in which the Governor of California flew on a plane with everyone else instead of a government owned jet. That reminds me when def was so sure I was scum in that game, and he lynched me, and I turned out as the vigilante. I see some similarities. But I digress. That's not a part of my life story. I've told you mostly about my life. It's pretty impressive, I'm a big deal here on this island. If that heartbreaking/warming life story didn't convince you that I'm town then you're a lost cause. I'm a loyal Malone. I think you spelt Malone wrong.
def Posted June 14, 2014 Posted June 14, 2014 I think you spelt Malone wrong. Try to be nice and make a guy feel like part of the gang, but he just can't stop...
Bob Posted June 14, 2014 Posted June 14, 2014 Try to be nice and make a guy feel like part of the gang, but he just can't stop... Would you prefer I just lie and say I'm not a Malone? Have you ever considered you're wrong? You've obviously been wrong before, and I'm looking at yesterday as the prime example.
def Posted June 14, 2014 Posted June 14, 2014 Yes, wrong on day one! Oh my God! Will I ever be able to live it down? I'm done dealing with this guy. Unfortunately we'll have to put up with it again tomorrow. If there's a vig out there: Benito is an incredibly safe kill.
jimmynick Posted June 14, 2014 Posted June 14, 2014 It appears Speedy has become our checkpoint for info. As to Calvin, I have the same thoughts on him as with many players, I'd just like to hear more. A quiet board benefits the scum, as it's easier to hide. Hopefully day 2 yields much more beneficial conversation. Hopefully. Did you want to say anything else? Nope, I read that message wrong. The result was "not Malone". So, we have a lynch that is all but guaranteed today I won't tell the name yet, because I want to give you folks time to theorise and play. See if the scum who was nabbed tries to distance themselves from other scum, or try to push a lynch on a townie. Day two is in the bag, and yet again, the scum are filling their diapers up with poop. Because they are scared. Yay! To clarify, is Benito the confirmed scum from the cop? Or did he just randomly message you claiming to be scum? Yes, Benito would just tell Da Shan "I'm scum, out me please". Okay, let me fill you folks (the town, not the two people I've quoted here) in on the background of things. So, Benito is likely the scum killer, and Paco is the scum blocker. [....] So, Paco is 100% scum, as is Benito, but Benito is the killer, so let's block him tonight, and lynch that no-good bum Paco today. We can lynch Benito tomorrow. Exciting! The scum should all have voted for Katalina, to get the lynch going. It was in secret, they wanted a lynch, why would they even consider splitting their vote? So, if we look here (red is scum, green is town): Katalina Lombard (Kristel) - 9 (jamesn, Masked Builder, Trumpetking, adventurer1, Bob, Adam, Piratedave84, Mencot, Speedy) I agree that the scum should have bandwagoned Katalina, but Juan looks very suspect.
TrumpetKing Posted June 14, 2014 Posted June 14, 2014 I'm still suspicious of Juan as well. He seems to be here just to ask questions all day and not really add more than an "oh, that's good". His defensiveness yesterday still bugs me as well. While we are talking about Juan, I want to hear what he has to say about any suspects he has.
jluck Posted June 14, 2014 Posted June 14, 2014 I'm still suspicious of Juan as well. He seems to be here just to ask questions all day and not really add more than an "oh, that's good". His defensiveness yesterday still bugs me as well. While we are talking about Juan, I want to hear what he has to say about any suspects he has. Sure, since you've never been able to get over the fact that I wouldn't jump on your bandwagon. Look, I'll add what I can, but speedy/Da Shen has basically dominated today. No one has really added anything beneficial since we've all been waiting for him to reveal what he found. Case and point regarding people having a lot to say: Hopefully. Did you want to say anything else? Yay! Yes, Benito would just tell Da Shan "I'm scum, out me please". Exciting! I agree that the scum should have bandwagoned Katalina, but Juan looks very suspect. If speedy is right (and it seems we will have confirmation if the vote goes his way) then that means there will be only 1 scum player left to be identified. Obviously, I'm going to agree and say its likely one of the folks on the initial bandwagon with the 2 scum suspects is our best bet, but I have no confirmed picks, just passing suspicions. I've been in some contact with other players trying to iron things out, hopefully this will yield some fruit. Honestly Tiffany, everyone is upset when people don't talk, yet as soon as someone talks you get upset that they are just "asking questions". I will always contribute what I know, but sometimes I just have questions.
badboytje88 Posted June 14, 2014 Posted June 14, 2014 With 14 people, I don't think it's very likely that they would have the ability to recruit. The limited kill shots is a possible theory, and it would make sense given the amount of players. I have to agree with you on No shit. It never offends me when people vote for me like that, but it does make me question their judgment. The rules always say that, regardless. There were only fourteen of us, so I find a 3rd party to be an unlikely scenario The role was a one shot to reveal votes for the rest of a single day. That's how it goes. Interesting roal, I personaly never heared of that one. Okay, let me fill you folks (the town, not the two people I've quoted here) in on the background of things. So, Benito is likely the scum killer, and Paco is the scum blocker. 1) the cop investigated Paco as "not Malone" last night 2) I asked Paco about his role, and he declined to say. 3) I found out from the town blocker that Benito was blocked. That, combined with excessive fishing in PMs, and his happiness to lynch Katalina, showed him to be uber-scummy. Like, the scummiest. 4) I told Benito the cop results were on him. 5) He told Paco he was the one being fingered, and so Paco reopened communication with me and told me he was the blocker (not knowing the town blocker had already contacted me). Likely he is a blocker, the scum blocker. 6) Benito made his very meagre defence, pointing the finger back at me, because scum out themselves on day two to take out major threats like him? 7) Paco has reversed his position, and now also thinks I'm scum, and wants to cast suspicion on any claims I make So, Paco is 100% scum, as is Benito, but Benito is the killer, so let's block him tonight, and lynch that no-good bum Paco today. We can lynch Benito tomorrow. Lynch Paco! That's quite a case you got there. Let's hope you're right! #spellingbee Omg I got up so early just to check in on the game.
TrumpetKing Posted June 14, 2014 Posted June 14, 2014 Juan, it's not the fact that you "wouldn't jump on my bandwagon", which was pretty clearly a justified suspicion, it was the fact that you so blatantly went and defended anybody who's name came up. It's also not that people are asking questions. It's that people aren't asking useful questions. People aren't trying to et other people to talk and aren't adding anything themselves. I'd rather you not twist my words against me. And regardless, you keep avoiding my question - Who are you suspicious of? Trying to avoid bussing a scum perhaps?
Mencot Posted June 14, 2014 Posted June 14, 2014 Okay, let me fill you folks (the town, not the two people I've quoted here) in on the background of things. So, Benito is likely the scum killer, and Paco is the scum blocker. 1) the cop investigated Paco as "not Malone" last night 2) I asked Paco about his role, and he declined to say. 3) I found out from the town blocker that Benito was blocked. That, combined with excessive fishing in PMs, and his happiness to lynch Katalina, showed him to be uber-scummy. Like, the scummiest. 4) I told Benito the cop results were on him. 5) He told Paco he was the one being fingered, and so Paco reopened communication with me and told me he was the blocker (not knowing the town blocker had already contacted me). Likely he is a blocker, the scum blocker. 6) Benito made his very meagre defence, pointing the finger back at me, because scum out themselves on day two to take out major threats like him? 7) Paco has reversed his position, and now also thinks I'm scum, and wants to cast suspicion on any claims I make So, Paco is 100% scum, as is Benito, but Benito is the killer, so let's block him tonight, and lynch that no-good bum Paco today. We can lynch Benito tomorrow. Lynch Paco! Awesome, whoa this was almost too easy. Thanks Da-shen and the other town roles. If this goes right and you and the others also nail the 3 one, we should rename you Sherlock Holmes. Because I am a Malone, that's why. I'm sure Paco is scum, but I have an idea that you and Da Shen are both scum. You're both scummy scum. Huu this the best you can do... call a claimed and confirmed town a Scummy Scummo. Great going Benito Let me tell you all the story of my life, from my birth to now. "Boring story about Benitos poor life" But I digress. That's not a part of my life story. I've told you mostly about my life. It's pretty impressive, I'm a big deal here on this island. If that heartbreaking/warming life story didn't convince you that I'm town then you're a lost cause. I'm a loyal Malone. I think you spelt Malone wrong. Aa so you came up with something else... nothing that adds anything to that you are not scum but thanks for the lifestory... I almost feel a sleep. I'm still suspicious of Juan as well. He seems to be here just to ask questions all day and not really add more than an "oh, that's good". His defensiveness yesterday still bugs me as well. While we are talking about Juan, I want to hear what he has to say about any suspects he has. We should look into everything and everyone that isn´t confirmated.
Peanuts Posted June 14, 2014 Posted June 14, 2014 I have to agree with you on I disagree. With the idea of limited scum kills, that is. Limited kills make sense for a vigilante, but the scum can do two things: Kill us and make us lynch ourselves. I doubt they would rely on the latter. Interesting roal, I personaly never heared of that one. Well, it's entirely useless if votes are private, and I never heard of private votes before. I agree that we will find the third scum most likely among those who voted for me, no offence to those who did. Scum usually try to jump on the Day One bandwagon without attracting too much attention. It's notable that 6 people who had voted for Alan when the vote tally was first shown also ended up voting for me. "A Vote Tally has been respectfully requested!" Vote Tally Alan Vaughan (adventurer1) - 9 (Trumpetking, Speedy, Bob, PirateDave84, Kristel, Calanon, fhomess, Masked Builder, jamesn) Da-Shan Feng (Speedy) - 2 (badboytje88, jluckhaupt) Tiffany Knightely (Trumpetking) - 1 (Mencot) Benito Fernandez (Bob) - 1 (adventurer1) Yet to Vote - 1 (Adam) 5 hours remain. That would be: Paco Benito Da-Shan Mei-Zhen Jasper Tiffany Paco and Benito are likely scum, Da-Shan is pretty much confirmed, Mei-Zhen is dead and town. That leaves Jasper and Tiffany. Jasper mentioned that he'd keep his eyes on Benito, whatever that's worth, but Tiffany has been rather active and not struck me as suspicious so far. Of course, Abbot should also be noted. He didn't jump on the Alan bandwagon, but he had not even voted by that time and did, in the end, vote for me.
badboytje88 Posted June 14, 2014 Posted June 14, 2014 I disagree. With the idea of limited scum kills, that is. Limited kills make sense for a vigilante, but the scum can do two things: Kill us and make us lynch ourselves. I doubt they would rely on the latter. Well, it's entirely useless if votes are private, and I never heard of private votes before. I agree that we will find the third scum most likely among those who voted for me, no offence to those who did. Scum usually try to jump on the Day One bandwagon without attracting too much attention. It's notable that 6 people who had voted for Alan when the vote tally was first shown also ended up voting for me. That would be: Paco Benito Da-Shan Mei-Zhen Jasper Tiffany Paco and Benito are likely scum, Da-Shan is pretty much confirmed, Mei-Zhen is dead and town. That leaves Jasper and Tiffany. Jasper mentioned that he'd keep his eyes on Benito, whatever that's worth, but Tiffany has been rather active and not struck me as suspicious so far. Of course, Abbot should also be noted. He didn't jump on the Alan bandwagon, but he had not even voted by that time and did, in the end, vote for me. Well since the numbers in this game are limited and the voted are blind, town is in a disadvantage compared to team scum. It would balance the game if team scum was limited to a max of 5 kills. But that's just my idea. I find the blind voting to be a very interesting addition. However I wonder how we would have managed on day 2 if it wasn't for Da-shan. I agree that it is most likely that a great portion of team scum will be amongst the people who voted for you.
Piratedave84 Posted June 14, 2014 Posted June 14, 2014 Paco, Benito, any ideas on the the third scum? Thank you Da-Shan! Are you even serious ... I don't even know what to say to you ... The third scum is YOU!
jimmynick Posted June 14, 2014 Posted June 14, 2014 Are you even serious ... I don't even know what to say to you ... The third scum is YOU! Wait, what? Are you admitting you're scum? If the thirds scum is Alan, who are the other two scum, according to you?
jluck Posted June 14, 2014 Posted June 14, 2014 Juan, it's not the fact that you "wouldn't jump on my bandwagon", which was pretty clearly a justified suspicion, it was the fact that you so blatantly went and defended anybody who's name came up. It's also not that people are asking questions. It's that people aren't asking useful questions. People aren't trying to et other people to talk and aren't adding anything themselves. I'd rather you not twist my words against me. And regardless, you keep avoiding my question - Who are you suspicious of? Trying to avoid bussing a scum perhaps? I believe I've already addressed this, so in the name of not repeating myself, I will repeat myself. [snip] If speedy is right (and it seems we will have confirmation if the vote goes his way) then that means there will be only 1 scum player left to be identified. Obviously, I'm going to agree and say its likely one of the folks on the initial bandwagon with the 2 scum suspects is our best bet, but I have no confirmed picks, just passing suspicions. I've been in some contact with other players trying to iron things out, hopefully this will yield some fruit. [snip] Once we confirm da Shen is leading us in the right direction, we can all narrow our search down, but until then I will keep suspecting everyone.
jimmynick Posted June 14, 2014 Posted June 14, 2014 Once we confirm da Shen is leading us in the right direction, we can all narrow our search down, but until then I will keep suspecting everyone. Anything more specific than that? Something about this situation (investigator, 2 scum, third scum, Paco, Benito, Da Shan) seems wrong. I don't like it one bit.
def Posted June 14, 2014 Posted June 14, 2014 Anything more specific than that? Something about this situation (investigator, 2 scum, third scum, Paco, Benito, Da Shan) seems wrong. I don't like it one bit. What seems wrong? A fair question to ask since you are on the list of non townies. When Paco comes up scum tomorrow, will your sense of wrong change? As has been established, only Paco and Benito have claimed I was scum today.
Lady K Posted June 14, 2014 Posted June 14, 2014 Are you even serious ... I don't even know what to say to you ... The third scum is YOU! Really? Go back and read post #71, my response to Benito on the same point. It applys to you as well.
TrumpetKing Posted June 14, 2014 Posted June 14, 2014 Jasper, it does seem a little too good to be true, but right now, it's our only lead and we do need to follow it. Paco, do you have any other defense other than "I'm not scum! You are!"?
Adam Posted June 14, 2014 Posted June 14, 2014 Once we confirm da Shen is leading us in the right direction, we can all narrow our search down, but until then I will keep suspecting everyone. The fact that tonight will confirm Da-Shen's (Speedy) information and reliability is one of the reasons that I am currently trusting that he is town and that his suspicions are correct. In any of these games... of life, I always end up being ridiculously paranoid, so I also suspect everyone. It does, as Tiffany (TrumpetKing) just mentioned, feel "a little too good to be true." However, if we maximize the number of scum we expect in this game and say that there are four, then we're currently at 9 vs. 4. Let's look at a hypothetical situation where Da-Shen (Speedy) is scum, and trying to maneuver us to kill fellow townies: We lynch a townie (likely Paco (Piratedave)) The vigilante (if one exists) is persuaded to kill another townie (perhaps Benito (Bob)) The scum killer targets a townie (pick your poison) That only takes care of three townies, and we're still strong at 6 vs. 4. The scum wouldn't try a gambit like this (publicly telling townies to kill other townies) unless they knew that pulling off that gambit would give them a winning majority. ... That all probably sounded very convoluted. My point is that it's too early in the game for a scum to be doing what Da-Shen (Speedy) is doing, so on top of all the other reasoning that's been discussed today, that's why I think we need to follow Da-Shen's (Speedy) lead.
Calanon Posted June 14, 2014 Posted June 14, 2014 Da Shen, your strategy is confusing me. Blocker blocks Benito entirely, whilst telling whoever the vig is to kill him? Even if you're certain he is scum, you've told the scum who is being blocked and then they can drop him in it.
Mencot Posted June 14, 2014 Posted June 14, 2014 ... That all probably sounded very convoluted. My point is that it's too early in the game for a scum to be doing what Da-Shen (Speedy) is doing, so on top of all the other reasoning that's been discussed today, that's why I think we need to follow Da-Shen's (Speedy) lead. Yea this is the best and strongs to go on and it would be foolish to not try this out. Ofcourse this all sounds too good but I guess somehow we got lucky... But this all leads us to: Vote Count 6 Votes ~30 hours until Sunset nly 6 have voted! I can understand some are confused bout that this day and how it turned out to be a really scum finding fest. But we will not know Da-Shens and the cops and the blockers claims for real if we don´t do this, right. Da Shen, your strategy is confusing me. Blocker blocks Benito entirely, whilst telling whoever the vig is to kill him? Even if you're certain he is scum, you've told the scum who is being blocked and then they can drop him in it. You may have a point... that the scum could nail someone of us here but in the strong case we will have nailed 2 scum and hopefuly the 3 (and hopefuly last) will be revealed.
Piratedave84 Posted June 14, 2014 Posted June 14, 2014 Jasper, it does seem a little too good to be true, but right now, it's our only lead and we do need to follow it. Paco, do you have any other defense other than "I'm not scum! You are!"? I am not scum, you are! Really? Go back and read post #71, my response to Benito on the same point. It applys to you as well. I am not scum, you are! Really? Go back and read post #71, my response to Benito on the same point. It applys to you as well. I am not scum, you are! I don't understand why people still say that we need to beware each other; wake up! The cop and blocker have already both claimed to Da-Shen and as such if he is scum or neutral, we are still ducked! It's to late to say "let's not trust so-and-so" seeing that if da-Shen is lying to you the PRs are already exposed ...
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