def Posted June 14, 2014 Posted June 14, 2014 Da Shen, your strategy is confusing me. Blocker blocks Benito entirely, whilst telling whoever the vig is to kill him? Even if you're certain he is scum, you've told the scum who is being blocked and then they can drop him in it. No idea what you're talking about. The scum can't stop the blocker. What does "drop him in it," mean?
def Posted June 14, 2014 Posted June 14, 2014 if we maximize the number of scum we expect in this game and say that there are four If there were four, I would venture to say the game is broken. Town would not have stood a fair chance when given that there is a secret vote. Scum shouldn't be able to win in three days (three mislynches and three night kills). I think the most likely mechanics is eleven town, three scum, no SK. There could still be a delayed day kill. Who knows
Bob Posted June 14, 2014 Posted June 14, 2014 I also believe there are only three scum. Four scum would be extravagant, however I also think there's a chance that there's a neutral party here, perhaps the Ferrari's.
fhomess Posted June 15, 2014 Posted June 15, 2014 Please, folks, get your votes in. You need to weigh in on whether or not you think what Da Shen has presented is reasonable or not, and how best to test that conclusion. At the core of it, is a claimed investigator claim that Paco is not Malone. At the very least, your vote needs to reflect whether or not you believe that investigation result really exists. Ultimately, what Da Shen has asked us to validate is that.
Calanon Posted June 15, 2014 Posted June 15, 2014 Please, folks, get your votes in. You need to weigh in on whether or not you think what Da Shen has presented is reasonable or not, and how best to test that conclusion. At the core of it, is a claimed investigator claim that Paco is not Malone. At the very least, your vote needs to reflect whether or not you believe that investigation result really exists. Ultimately, what Da Shen has asked us to validate is that. To any Malones who doubt Da Shen: Paco seems to have given up now, replying to everyone calling them FBI. I can also verify what Da Shen says to be true. I am not scum, you are! I am not scum, you are! I am not scum, you are! I don't understand why people still say that we need to beware each other; wake up! The cop and blocker have already both claimed to Da-Shen and as such if he is scum or neutral, we are still ducked! It's to late to say "let's not trust so-and-so" seeing that if da-Shen is lying to you the PRs are already exposed ... And he tried to claim blocker to Da Shen too late in the day. Why would Da Shen lie to us? His ability only hinders the FBI, it does not aid it. His (already used) ability wouldn't allow him to win if he were neutral.
Piratedave84 Posted June 15, 2014 Posted June 15, 2014 To any Malones who doubt Da Shen: Paco seems to have given up now, replying to everyone calling them FBI. I can also verify what Da Shen says to be true. And he tried to claim blocker to Da Shen too late in the day. Why would Da Shen lie to us? His ability only hinders the FBI, it does not aid it. His (already used) ability wouldn't allow him to win if he were neutral. How can you corroborate the facts? You're the cop or at the very least some PR (blocker?) Revealing yourself like this was a bad move you gave scum their target for tonight. I did claim blocker because I am. I blocked Fritz last night. I know you would rather sheep behind da-Shen but it's plausible that Benito is the town vig and Fritz was the scum killer. What are you expecting me to say or do? I explained my position earlier; you are being led to your demise by da-Shen and are to blind to see it. By claiming to him this early you screwed us over; never claim to an unconfirmed person, ever!
def Posted June 15, 2014 Posted June 15, 2014 In the very sad, very sad case anyone is listening to Paco whatsoever: his PM to me yesterday: Good job on single handly winning the game ... I guess!! LOL Why did the cop target me!? It was probably my lack of participation on day one?! Paco, you were in a corner, you're a good sport, you earned your Photoshop pic! Cheers! (FED! You lie, you die!)
Piratedave84 Posted June 15, 2014 Posted June 15, 2014 What? This is fake! I've been framed! Oh the lies! Don't believe the lies! Follow me to victory! Paco for the win! Paco for president! There goes nothing; I'm not Malone because I'm actually a Ferrari. It's in your best interest to keep me alive for at least a few days. I'm able to kill on odd nights and I just need to be alive long enough for town or scum to win; as long as I'm alive when either wins, I win. I claimed blocker to da-Shen because I thought I had been watched or tracked; I had targetted Fritz but the kill was a failure (block or protected???). I really don't mind your lynching me seeing that's I'm not town but in killing me, you will not nab an FBI. My death does not advance your cause.
Calanon Posted June 15, 2014 Posted June 15, 2014 What? This is fake! I've been framed! Oh the lies! Don't believe the lies! Follow me to victory! Paco for the win! Paco for president! There goes nothing; I'm not Malone because I'm actually a Ferrari. It's in your best interest to keep me alive for at least a few days. I'm able to kill on odd nights and I just need to be alive long enough for town or scum to win; as long as I'm alive when either wins, I win. I claimed blocker to da-Shen because I thought I had been watched or tracked; I had targetted Fritz but the kill was a failure (block or protected???). I really don't mind your lynching me seeing that's I'm not town but in killing me, you will not nab an FBI. My death does not advance your cause. Eh, it stops you from winning the game.
Piratedave84 Posted June 15, 2014 Posted June 15, 2014 Eh, it stops you from winning the game. But it does not advance your cause; we can both win
jimmynick Posted June 15, 2014 Posted June 15, 2014 If you were a third party, why would you tell Da Shan that he singlehandedly won the game?
badboytje88 Posted June 15, 2014 Posted June 15, 2014 What? This is fake! I've been framed! Oh the lies! Don't believe the lies! Follow me to victory! Paco for the win! Paco for president! There goes nothing; I'm not Malone because I'm actually a Ferrari. It's in your best interest to keep me alive for at least a few days. I'm able to kill on odd nights and I just need to be alive long enough for town or scum to win; as long as I'm alive when either wins, I win. I claimed blocker to da-Shen because I thought I had been watched or tracked; I had targetted Fritz but the kill was a failure (block or protected???). I really don't mind your lynching me seeing that's I'm not town but in killing me, you will not nab an FBI. My death does not advance your cause. Well I'm not taking any chance on that story. If you are truely a third party player I'd rather play this game without you. Especialy if your win condition includes that you can side with who ever you want to. #byebye #TTYN
Piratedave84 Posted June 15, 2014 Posted June 15, 2014 If you were a third party, why would you tell Da Shan that he singlehandedly won the game? Sarcasm ... I should have used the icon so it was clear for everyone ... Well I'm not taking any chance on that story. If you are truely a third party player I'd rather play this game without you. Especialy if your win condition includes that you can side with who ever you want to. #byebye #TTYN But if I side with you, you can have another kill on night 3. I'm trying to be nice and side with town.
Calanon Posted June 15, 2014 Posted June 15, 2014 Sarcasm ... I should have used the icon so it was clear for everyone ... But if I side with you, you can have another kill on night 3. I'm trying to be nice and side with town. Then maybe you should've reached out to Da Shen sooner and offered your services. Whilst I do believe you that you are third party, I do not entirely trust you.
badboytje88 Posted June 15, 2014 Posted June 15, 2014 But you can just flip flop the way you like. Today you say you will kill for town tomorrow you might decide you feel more like killing town. Plus I am not convinced that you actualy are a third party player. You might as well be scum claiming to be third party. #duckface #selfie #nofilter #nomakeup
jluck Posted June 15, 2014 Posted June 15, 2014 But you can just flip flop the way you like. Today you say you will kill for town tomorrow you might decide you feel more like killing town. Plus I am not convinced that you actualy are a third party player. You might as well be scum claiming to be third party. #duckface #selfie #nofilter #nomakeup Seems clear to me, sorry Paco but even if you are who you claim to be, it's too dangerous having you around.
Lady K Posted June 15, 2014 Posted June 15, 2014 Sarcasm ... I should have used the icon so it was clear for everyone ... But if I side with you, you can have another kill on night 3. I'm trying to be nice and side with town. Then maybe you should've reached out to Da Shen sooner and offered your services. Whilst I do believe you that you are third party, I do not entirely trust you. But you can just flip flop the way you like. Today you say you will kill for town tomorrow you might decide you feel more like killing town. Plus I am not convinced that you actualy are a third party player. You might as well be scum claiming to be third party. #duckface #selfie #nofilter #nomakeup Seems clear to me, sorry Paco but even if you are who you claim to be, it's too dangerous having you around. Paco, at this point it really doesn't matter which side your on, who you claim to be, or what your promising, it's simply too risky to take a chance now. You should have spoken up more since the very beginning.
Piratedave84 Posted June 15, 2014 Posted June 15, 2014 Where's Allan? Has anyone seen him? His laying low is very suspicious Paco, at this point it really doesn't matter which side your on, who you claim to be, or what your promising, it's simply too risky to take a chance now. You should have spoken up more since the very beginning. Great insight!! Now can you tell us who you think the scum team is? Your contributions so far are ... Well ... They suck!
TrumpetKing Posted June 15, 2014 Posted June 15, 2014 Paco being a Third-Party makes sense given that the result was "Not Malone". The case to keep him is very compelling, but we can't guarantee that he will still side with us, or if the person he sides with has a strong read, so he would need to align with Da Shan, who is basically, as acknowledged, confirmed. I would actually be interested in seeing whether Paco would actually help the town in future days or not. Then again, now that he's offered to help the town, the scum will probably pick him off anyways (I will address this later). Adding to that, it's just too risky to keep him and risk losing several townies on his word, so it's in our best interest to just get rid of him now. I would be willing to guess, seeing as Paco says he can only kill on odd nights, that scum can only kill on even nights. It helps keep the kills balanced out, but it also can be used as a way to throw the town off. Assuming this theory to be true, it give Benito a bit of an alibi, but he still looks awfully scummy. He should be somebody we look into tomorrow.
Tamamono Posted June 15, 2014 Author Posted June 15, 2014 "A Vote Tally has been respectfully requested!" Vote Tally Paco de Villa VIII (Piratedave84) - 8 (Trumpetking, Speedy, fhomess, Mencot, Calanon, badboytje88, adventurer1, jamesn) Da-Shan Feng (Speedy) - 3 (Bob, Peanuts, Piratedave84) Benito Fernandez (Bob) - 1 (jluckhaupt) Yet to Vote - 1 (Adam) 5 hours until Sunset.
jluck Posted June 15, 2014 Posted June 15, 2014 "A Vote Tally has been respectfully requested!" Vote Tally Paco de Villa VIII (Piratedave84) - 8 (Trumpetking, Speedy, fhomess, Mencot, Calanon, badboytje88, adventurer1, jamesn) Da-Shan Feng (Speedy) - 3 (Bob, Peanuts, Piratedave84) Benito Fernandez (Bob) - 1 (jluckhaupt) Yet to Vote - 1 (Adam) 5 hours until Sunset. That's revealing... 3 votes for speedy, who is a confirmed townie. Hmmm...
Mencot Posted June 15, 2014 Posted June 15, 2014 Not much time to comment been really busy but going through the comments since my last visit. Some suprised and not so suprised Paco turned out 3rd party member but to me he is nontheless the same as scum. His actions lying and messing, how can you think Paco that anyone could trust you! Mostlikely you have already made a pact with the scum and the last comments of yours have only been some last atempts to save your own a**. That's revealing... 3 votes for speedy, who is a confirmed townie. Hmmm... Yea I also can continue the HMMM, I understand Benito and paco is there but what the hell is Katalina doing there? Some explanation you voting for Da-Shen, there was some comment from you earlier today but you have also been quiet and busy this afternoon. There is no point with this question but Coming straight out Katalina are you a freaking FED?
Peanuts Posted June 15, 2014 Posted June 15, 2014 Da-Shan Feng (Speedy) - 3 (Bob, Peanuts, Piratedave84) What the hell? I voted for Paco. Somebody must have tinkered with my vote somehow. If Paco is not lying about being third party, the scum must be able to mess with town votes. If Paco is lying, I don't know. Probably still the scum, this is definitely not a town role.
Lady K Posted June 15, 2014 Posted June 15, 2014 "A Vote Tally has been respectfully requested!" Vote Tally Paco de Villa VIII (Piratedave84) - 8 (Trumpetking, Speedy, fhomess, Mencot, Calanon, badboytje88, adventurer1, jamesn) Da-Shan Feng (Speedy) - 3 (Bob, Peanuts, Piratedave84) Benito Fernandez (Bob) - 1 (jluckhaupt) Yet to Vote - 1 (Adam) 5 hours until Sunset. I thought this was a one time deal? What the hell? I voted for Paco. Somebody must have tinkered with my vote somehow. If Paco is not lying about being third party, the scum must be able to mess with town votes. If Paco is lying, I don't know. Probably still the scum, this is definitely not a town role. Anybody else have tampering with their votes?
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