Mafia Sunset - Day 1: The Beginning

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It's a very strong possibility, but I didn't want to demand Paco and Katalina be active by calling them out. They are usually quite active, and there absence should speak volumes about their helpfulness.

<Made in reference to Juan's statement.>

[Masked Builder]

So, you've voting off someone based on how they're annoying you? Why don't you try basing your decision on something more than that? Just because Bebe is obnoxious (and she revenge-votes, says fluff, and doesn't read properly), doesn't mean she's automatically more suspicious than Alan, who has publicly said that we shouldn't work together because that's something the scum do, and is offering a lackluster defense with the same revenge-voting mentality as Bebe.

"Do you have a better idea for day one? At this point, I've gone over what has been said and I agree; Alan seems very scummy right now."

I also find it humorous that when asked if you said anything else today, you referred to a fluff opening day post. You're rising up there in my book of suspicious scum.

"I was just pointing out that I had posted."

[Piratedave84]

It's a very strong possibility, but I didn't want to demand Paco and Katalina be active by calling them out. They are usually quite active, and there absence should speak volumes about their helpfulness.

<Made in reference to Juan's statement.>

I'm so sorry for my lack of participation, I had urgent smuggling-related business to attend (RL kicked my a$$ this weekend) and now I just feel out of the loop; my adding something to the conversation at this point would probably not amount to anything.

I have been following the conversation as much as I could and I can see how a vote on Allan is probably a safe bet given the revenge voting, random accusation and generally odd behaviour but I'm going to refrain from voting as I dont feel I can make an informed enough decision.

[Lady K]

To all reading this, will you please point out where I have stated a 'revenge vote' or any kind of vote at all. Because I haven't. Truth be told I haven't voted yet and have several people I'm currently looking at for my vote, and not all of them have spoken up.

I agree Da-Shan in that day one is clearly going to the scum, in that they are probably quietly controlling the situation by letting or even encouraging town to vote out one of their own.

Jasper, your statement about me making big mistakes as scum isn't true. I am making big mistakes as town, or if you insist that I'm scum it doesn't change a thing. No town or scum messes up this bad.

But hey, vote who you will, when I turn up as town, my absence will help no one in being any closer to finding the real scum whom will all still be with.

[jimmynick]

Jasper, your statement about me making big mistakes as scum isn't true.

It was a question.

No town or scum messes up this bad.

Does that make you a third party?

[Lady K]

It was a question.

Does that make you a third party?

Reading again, I see that now. As to a third party, no I am not. Trying to defend myself as town however has only gotten me in deeper as people thinking I'm scum.

[Mencot]

This He said/she said situation between Da-Shan Feng, Bebe and Alan, (was there anyone else Jasper and Tiffany is cooking also there in same soap of accusations.)

It doesn´t really put anything to this game at this point because of it is day 1 and no one knows anything about anyone (expect the scum)

But credit I give for trying because there has been many (including me) that hasn´t said anything much.

Reading through all the pages, gives me nothing much, no clues and no hints on finding the scum.

That I can figure out is that from the 5 that I named some of them are scum but who is another case and we will see what the voting will bring out in day 2.

Alan how do you know everybody is voting for you, Okay (not ok-ey) you are in the spotlight and you are sweating like a pig and your comments don´t help yourself.

But this hidden voting stuff can/makes people (scum) say and hint (indirect) anything to make someone who isn´t maybe made up their mind on who to vote for, go in that direction.

Yea one more thing, "Revenge-" and "he said that/she said that so I vote for him" voting usually is bad for town and benefits scum

[Adam]

I would be happy to elaborate. I do think we should try to cooperate. Town needs to pull together to get rid of the scum. I know what I said came across as scummy and that was not my intention. I was merely trying to get someone to suggest something useful, by saying something sarcastic and off the wall. My idea was not meant to be taken seriously. We need good solid ways to find and get rid of the killers that have infiltrated us.

You've been under quite a bit of fire today, Alan (adventurer1), but out of all the accusations and defenses that have been tossed back and forth, this is the remark that stands out to me the most. I have a hard time believing that you were roleplaying, or that you were just being sarcastic. I'm not sure how suggesting:

What we need to look for is those who want to work together are probably the ones we want to get rid of.

... can be thought of as either sarcastic or roleplay, especially since roleplay usually means saying things like, "Back in New York, we're not nearly as talkative!" and not positing scummy suggestions. I think it's possible that you saw Da-Shen's (Speedy) prompt for ideas and tried to take advantage of our unfamiliarity with this situation, putting forward an idea that would clearly hinder the loyal Malones. Furthermore, your response to me (quoted above) when I asked you to elaborate seems like some heavy backtracking.

At this point, you will probably be getting my vote tonight.

I'm so sorry for my lack of participation, I had urgent smuggling-related business to attend (RL kicked my a$$ this weekend) and now I just feel out of the loop; my adding something to the conversation at this point would probably not amount to anything.

I have been following the conversation as much as I could and I can see how a vote on Allan is probably a safe bet given the revenge voting, random accusation and generally odd behaviour but I'm going to refrain from voting as I dont feel I can make an informed enough decision.

I hope everything's going fine now with the smuggling! Just a heads up, according to Rule 3, voting is mandatory.

[fhomess]

A couple of things have caught my attention so far... first, I agree with those who are suggesting that Alan is scummy. In reviewing his comments, I don't believe him that his comment about voting out those who suggest we work together was just roleplaying. There's nothing else in those comments that suggest he was roleplaying, and no suggestion of sarcasm, either. I think he's flailing, and that makes him a worth target of a vote.

Also, based on my reading, I don't see people stating their voting intentions clearly. Yes, there are a few such as Da Shen, Benito, and Bebe who have come out and said it. But the last time Bernard gave us the vote tally of 5 votes, I didn't count 5 statements that were obvious prior to that. If you're voting and not letting us know your vote intentions publicly, then you're hurting those of us sided with the Malones. Even Abbot's recent "probably voting" for Alan comment isn't much of a commitment. We need to be as clear as possible about our intentions once we commit to them.

[Lady K]

As far as strategy, well we as a group will have difficulty in working together because each of us works alone in a position of authority. The bad guys trying to bring us to what they call justice are used to working together in a very structured method. What we need to look for is those who want to work together are probably the ones we want to get rid of.

I would like to bring some clarity to what I stated previously since this is what is being used as justification to lynch me. Point one: in the first sentence I'm stating that the town (Malones) being Mafia Bosses are each used to working alone in our respective areas (cities). The scum (FBI guys) are used to working as a team with structure. Here I'm establishing how my character is thinking as a Texan in charge of Las Vegas. Point two: in the next sentence I state that we need to look at those who are pushing us to work together as possible suspects. No where do I actually suggest that we don't work together! I only suggest that we look closely at those who suggest we do. Why? Well as town we know we have to work together, however as mafia bosses we aren't used to that so naturally we will trust another mafia bosses who is cautious over someone who keeps pushing unity. To me the scum would want to hear our suspions so they can guide us in the direction of offing one of our own which is what will probably happen at this point.

If I'm the one to go I just want my point understood since I think I'm being framed by scum (said in character).

[jimmynick]

however as mafia bosses we aren't used to that so naturally we will trust another mafia bosses who is cautious over someone who keeps pushing unity.

The structure of the game is not related to our characters, you know, right?

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This He said/she said situation between Da-Shan Feng, Bebe and Alan, (was there anyone else Jasper and Tiffany is cooking also there in same soap of accusations.)

Now, I realise you are but a simple wrestler, but this is most certainly not a he said/she said situation. I have a reason for being suspicious of them, and they think it's unfair. He said/she said implies some contentious claim, and that is not the case.

To me the scum would want to hear our suspions so they can guide us in the direction of offing one of our own which is what will probably happen at this point.

That is the opposite of mafia. Publicly stating our suspicions is the number one weapon the town has. How else do we make informed decisions, especially in the coming days when allegiances are learned and that information can be considered in retrospect?

[Lady K]

The structure of the game is not related to our characters, you know, right?

As I got very caught up in my character, I realized that too late. I will however remember it the next time I play.

Now, I realise you are but a simple wrestler, but this is most certainly not a he said/she said situation. I have a reason for being suspicious of them, and they think it's unfair. He said/she said implies some contentious claim, and that is not the case.

That is the opposite of mafia. Publicly stating our suspicions is the number one weapon the town has. How else do we make informed decisions, especially in the coming days when allegiances are learned and that information can be considered in retrospect?

Stated our suspicions in public is exactly what we town need to do. To bad so many are quiet at this point.

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Stated our suspicions in public is exactly what we town need to do. To bad so many are quiet at this point.

But you just said it was what scum would want. I'm confused.

[jimmynick]

Let's play, then.

I'm suspicious of Alan and Bebe and I want to keep my eyes on Da-Shan and Benito.

[Lady K]

But you just said it was what scum would want. I'm confused.

I'm confused too. I can't explain what I'm thinking for you to understand because of everything aimed at me. So all I can say is the scum is getting a few suspicions on me and guiding the few who are active in these posts. Because so many are quiet there aren't a lot of suspicions to go on so that leaves very little information for anyone to make an informed vote.

For what it's worth, I am not scum.

[fhomess]

Let's play, then.

I'm suspicious of Alan and Bebe and I want to keep my eyes on Da-Shan and Benito.

Cool... basically everyone who has been the most vocal except Tiffany. Why leave her out?

For what it's worth, I am not scum.

For what it's worth, I'll bet every one of us would say the same thing.

[Tamamono]

"A Vote Tally has been respectfully requested!"

Vote Tally

Alan Vaughan (adventurer1) - 9 (Trumpetking, Speedy, Bob, PirateDave84, Kristel, Calanon, fhomess, Masked Builder, jamesn)

Da-Shan Feng (Speedy) - 2 (badboytje88, jluckhaupt)

Tiffany Knightely (Trumpetking) - 1 (Mencot)

Benito Fernandez (Bob) - 1 (adventurer1)

Yet to Vote - 1 (Adam)

5 hours remain.

Edited June 10, 2014 by Tamamono

[def]

Okay, that was me. I revealed the vote with a one-off ability. Now I'm just a vanilla townie. That should confirm my towniness to all but the noobiest of you (when a secret vote is the scums friend, why would scum need an ability to reveal? They don't, and I am logically town.)

As we can see, Alan is going to be lynched and the assumed three scum will vote together. Therefore, he is not scum. I will be changing my vote, but it's a question of whether to vote for Mei (over role playing, bandwagoning, nonsensical) or Katalina (absent, still voted, totally dodging day one).

I'm going to go for Katalina. Let's not kill Alan today for being a noob.

And maybe someone should protect/watch me tonight since I'm the only confirmed town.

I suspect that all the scum voted for Alan, which likely clears those who didn't as 'not scum'. Not town, mind you, but not Feds. I really would love to take out a nattering cinder block like Bebe, but there is little reason to now.

I could be totally wrong about this, but it makes sense that the scum would vote as a block.

[jluck]

Okay, that was me. I revealed the vote with a one-off ability. Now I'm just a vanilla townie. That should confirm my towniness to all but the noobiest of you (when a secret vote is the scums friend, why would scum need an ability to reveal? They don't, and I am logically town.)

As we can see, Alan is going to be lynched and the assumed three scum will vote together. Therefore, he is not scum. I will be changing my vote, but it's a question of whether to vote for Mei (over role playing, bandwagoning, nonsensical) or Katalina (absent, still voted, totally dodging day one).

I'm going to go for Katalina. Let's not kill Alan today for being a noob.

And maybe someone should protect/watch me tonight since I'm the only confirmed town.

I suspect that all the scum voted for Alan, which likely clears those who didn't as 'not scum'. Not town, mind you, but not Feds. I really would love to take out a nattering cinder block like Bebe, but there is little reason to now.

I could be totally wrong about this, but it makes sense that the scum would vote as a block.

Thank you for your honesty, and complements to the host for this neat twist. With this new info I will be researching my vote and changing most likely. My initial vote was based on Da-Shan's similarity to a scum player in a previous game who came out early a a front runner in the conversation and used that position to control the game, but this reveal changes all of that. This is interesting...

[def]

Mei came and read, then went back to consult her scum buddies. Absolutely no one should have no opinion on this turn of events.

And Juan, you should never lynch a person for being active out front. There is time to investigate, but if you mislynch an active townie, you're just leaving the town with lazy non-players. The risk is far too great. Please keep that in mind forever.

[Lady K]

Okay, that was me. I revealed the vote with a one-off ability. Now I'm just a vanilla townie. That should confirm my towniness to all but the noobiest of you (when a secret vote is the scums friend, why would scum need an ability to reveal? They don't, and I am logically town.)

As we can see, Alan is going to be lynched and the assumed three scum will vote together. Therefore, he is not scum. I will be changing my vote, but it's a question of whether to vote for Mei (over role playing, bandwagoning, nonsensical) or Katalina (absent, still voted, totally dodging day one).

I'm going to go for Katalina. Let's not kill Alan today for being a noob.

And maybe someone should protect/watch me tonight since I'm the only confirmed town.

I suspect that all the scum voted for Alan, which likely clears those who didn't as 'not scum'. Not town, mind you, but not Feds. I really would love to take out a nattering cinder block like Bebe, but there is little reason to now.

I could be totally wrong about this, but it makes sense that the scum would vote as a block.

Thank you Da-Shan. I really am town and I will be a better team player. Also thank you for providing reasons for your suspects.

[jluck]

And Juan, you should never lynch a person for being active out front. There is time to investigate, but if you mislynch an active townie, you're just leaving the town with lazy non-players. The risk is far too great. Please keep that in mind forever.

Duly noted, I have limited game experience and was playing on what little I've seen, but this is definitely great advice.

[jimmynick]

Okay, that was me. I revealed the vote with a one-off ability. Now I'm just a vanilla townie. That should confirm my towniness to all but the noobiest of you (when a secret vote is the scums friend, why would scum need an ability to reveal? They don't, and I am logically town.)

Groovy!

I'm with you - has Katalina even posted today? Yet she had the time to vote for Alan.

Cool... basically everyone who has been the most vocal except Tiffany. Why leave her out?

I think Tiffany was just being mean earlier... I was more concerned with Da-Shan (playing dumb) and Benito (since when has Benito been so active?) than someone who's just mean.

[Masked Builder]

Mei came and read, then went back to consult her scum buddies. Absolutely no one should have no opinion on this turn of events.

"Sorry, I only had a second to glance through. Had to do some other things."

As we can see, Alan is going to be lynched and the assumed three scum will vote together. Therefore, he is not scum. I will be changing my vote, but it's a question of whether to vote for Mei (over role playing, bandwagoning, nonsensical) or Katalina (absent, still voted, totally dodging day one).

"Thank you for showing us who has voted. It has always been my opinion that if you don't have anything new to add, you don't say anything at all. However, I will say that I agree that Katalina seems the most scummy at this time. The fact that she voted is the clincher for me."