JM1971 Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 (edited) I noticed views counts on this page (scroll down to hottest mocs and you have to be logged in to see the views) were going down, I massed around 1500 for my moc (Honda ATC) and yesterday it went down to 800 and now its not on that page anymore. At the same time star wars mocs you have to pay for have moved onto the page. Even jurgens moc has been losing view counts. Whats the point in puting hard work into something when they just fix the scores? Edited January 22, 2014 by JM1971
Paul B Technic Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 Are the views per week? Maybe they reset for some reason? Have you tried to contact the admins to find out what was going on?
touthomme Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 It says right above the images that those are the MOCs that have the most views in the last 7 days. I assume that the view counts displayed on that page reflect that. For example, the number 1 model, the Ultimate 42009, actually has over 55000 total views, 1852 of which were in the last week. J
jantjeuh Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 (edited) Are the views per week? Maybe they reset for some reason? Have you tried to contact the admins to find out what was going on? They are the views of the last 7 days, yes. Seems like the MOC's popularity simply tapered off. You also have to understand Star Wars MOCs usually have an incredible pull. Edited January 22, 2014 by jantjeuh
JM1971 Posted January 22, 2014 Author Posted January 22, 2014 (edited) Yeah, even lego's non violent policy makes way for star wars and other money making franchises. Edited January 22, 2014 by JM1971
jantjeuh Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 No offense, but you seem to be making a mountain out of a molehill.
JM1971 Posted January 22, 2014 Author Posted January 22, 2014 No offense, but you seem to be making a mountain out of a molehill. That's my specialty.
D3K Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 When a MOC is initially posted and approved on Rebrickable, it automatically is frontpaged under "Latest MOCs," which makes it easy to check out for anyone curious.. However, as new MOCs are approved, yours is pushed further back, and then it's off the frontpage, and people won't see it/check it out unless they search for it or stumble upon it. That might be why you have a lot of views initially, but then the numbers decline. At least that's my experience, although I can't say for sure that this is how it works
JM1971 Posted January 22, 2014 Author Posted January 22, 2014 Close enough explanation from what I've seen, although everyone should bear in mind everything is bent to some degree.
The_Skirrid Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 I did want to stay quiet on this, but when you say in public, on a completely free site "I perfectly understand I have to make way for paid for mocs and artificially inflating the scores will make a little money, that is until people catch on to your policies and they will I'll make sure of that." I got upset for Nathan, and angry with you. I don't know where you get this sense of entitlement, but there is no score fixing. I can't believe it needs to be said, but you're obviously feeling persecuted because your views dropped off. Put on some big-boy pants. Get upset about something that actually matters. I put in four hours a day, every day, unpaid for Nathan, and I dread to think how much he puts in. Expecting remuneration from that work seems fine by me. HOWEVER the scores are never fixed, altered, skewed or otherwise adulterated, and income from MOCs doesn't cover a week of hosting. If you insist on making such baseless accusations please do it privately in future, you can PM me or Nathan here, or email support@rebrickable.com.
Meatman Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 (edited) Isn't rebrickable a free website for anyone to use or am I missing something here? How can anyone complain that their model got a bunch of views when it was new and then lost views? Isn't that a given? And are these views IP specific or can people refresh their page to increase view counts? If I were the guy running rebrickable and I found out about people making accusations and complaining, I would delete them from my website. And what is this model of yours that you feel is supposed to be at the top of the list? Could you post it here so we can see what all of the fuss is about? Edited January 22, 2014 by Meatman
Lipko Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 (edited) My last models couldn't see a day on the "hottest MOCs" section. One of them won a freakin contest [/irony] Anyhoo, Cuusoo is much more upsetting, because if a model isn't caught up in the first week, it's pretty much impossible to get any significant support. Luckily, Rebrickable (along with most other sites) has the mindblowingly complex and I guess impossible-to-make "browse random models" feature [/irony] Your MOC is on the front page again. My models suck I guess Edited January 22, 2014 by Lipko
JM1971 Posted January 22, 2014 Author Posted January 22, 2014 My last models couldn't see a day on the "hottest MOCs" section. One of them won a freakin contest [/irony] Anyhoo, Cuusoo is much more upsetting, because if a model isn't caught up in the first week, it's pretty much impossible to get any significant support. Luckily, Rebrickable (along with most other sites) has the mindblowingly complex and I guess impossible-to-make "browse random models" feature [/irony] Your MOC is on the front page again. My models suck I guess Theirs nothing wrong with your models and far better than anything I can do, mine did ok because its built all from 9398 set and was lucky enough to stay on the new mocs page long enough to mass enough views to get onto the hottest mocs, pure luck. Releasing a moc on a few forums at the same time as you put it on rebrickable would proberbly get a lot of views.
D3K Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 What do you gain from "a lot of views"? Why is this so important to you?
JM1971 Posted January 22, 2014 Author Posted January 22, 2014 Smug sense of satisfaction, the same reason any one else releases stuff there.
Paul B Technic Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 Smug sense of satisfaction, the same reason any one else releases stuff there. I get the same feeling from seeing the page views on my blog :)
Paul Boratko Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 Nathan would have absolutely no reason or incentive to fix view counts...
JM1971 Posted January 23, 2014 Author Posted January 23, 2014 The site could do with ratings and limit each registered user one rating per moc, quick searches based on ratings, views, dates, etc, flood protection on view counts, new mocs should get 14 days on the front page to allow ratings a chance. Like Lipco said the current random search is not very good and some great mocs dont get a chance.
Lipko Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 You got me wrong. I said that the randomly posted MOC section IS very good. Something Cuusoo should also have, because it is pretty much a basic thing every site like Cuusoo should have. (Rebrickrable has it, Brickshelf has it, etc)
Jim Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 For me Rebrickable is about searching a particular MOC to see whether I can build it. And maybe for browsing some other MOCs. Nathan is doing a great job, making such a great site. I don't understand what's the point in discrediting his work and accusing him of fixing the stats. At the end of the day you build a great MOC for the fun of building a great MOC. Showing it to your fellow Technic enthusiasts, getting some well placed compliments and maybe having them build it. Nothing more, nothing less!
JM1971 Posted January 23, 2014 Author Posted January 23, 2014 The site has no flood protection, views can be manipulated easily by anyone, its more a weakness than score fixing, it just took me a little time to find out what was going on. I added 400 views on my moc in about 5 mins, no one was aware of this, someone should tell them.
Jim Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 Nathan will probably read this and he know's what he is doing, so if he thinks flood protection is important, he will prevent it. Maybe he doesn't care about it, since it's not a popularity contest website. Or he simply lacked the time to do so. Anyway; I don't think further discussion will add anything to this Technic forum, so I will lock this topic!
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