Mandate Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 Does "You have the fire inside." ring a bell? Sensei Wu said that to Kai even before he learned Spinjitzu, not to mention that, even after their elemental powers were gone, the Ninja were seen using elemental Spinjitzu. Technically they always have elemental properties due to genealogy, but the actual ability to manipulate the elements is something that can, and has been given and taken away from the Ninja multiple times. "Elemental Spinjitzu" Yeah, no. Spinjitzu in its most basic form never actually had any elemental properties without a Golden Weapon (or active elemental power, as seen in episode 32). And not counting the 2015 episodes, actual elemental powers have been given to the ninja twice, and taken away once. Oh, and this is my 1100th post. Yay. Quote
DuckBricks Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 I didn't hear anything about someone getting really powerful but I did hear that Zane has been found, and I think Chen was telling Skylor that she did great taking the master of shape's(?) powers and that the Ninja will dissapear FOREVAHHHHH do you speak Korean? That's great! It clears some stuff up with my original translation. "Elemental Spinjitzu" Yeah, no. Spinjitzu in its most basic form never actually had any elemental properties without a Golden Weapon (or active elemental power, as seen in episode 32). And not counting the 2015 episodes, actual elemental powers have been given to the ninja twice, and taken away once. Oh, and this is my 1100th post. Yay. I believe those w/o powers such as Misako, Wu, and Garmadon can do it as well, so it's more of a skill rather than elemental power. Agreed Quote
LK901 Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 But, what about Zane? He shouldn't have any powers, because he is a nindroid...... Quote
PenPlays Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 "Elemental Spinjitzu" Yeah, no. Spinjitzu in its most basic form never actually had any elemental properties without a Golden Weapon (or active elemental power, as seen in episode 32). And not counting the 2015 episodes, actual elemental powers have been given to the ninja twice, and taken away once. Oh, and this is my 1100th post. Yay. I only mean that the Ninja could still use their Spinjitzu even when they didn't have their elemental powers. I'm sorry, if "elemental" isn't the proper term, but look at the tornadoes. The Ninja Spinjitzu still had elemental motifs when they didn't have their "elemental powers." How is that not elemental power? It makes sense that Garmadon states that Elemental Power is in their blood, even if the ability to manipulate said element isn't present. Think of it like Avatar: The Last Airbender. Aang has many abilities and powers that can be unlocked. Chackras, pressure points and Blood-bending can take those powers away, but does that stop him from being an Airbender? Something that can be granted back to him at any time? That's probably why I'm failing to understand this whole plot-hole with Garmadon talking about elemental powers being passed down (whether he directly said that or not). Just because elemental properties are passed down genetically doesn't mean that they actually require permanent access to elemental manipulation Quote
Master_Data Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 (edited) I only mean that the Ninja could still use their Spinjitzu even when they didn't have their elemental powers. I'm sorry, if "elemental" isn't the proper term, but look at the tornadoes. The Ninja Spinjitzu still had elemental motifs when they didn't have their "elemental powers." How is that not elemental power? The "motifs" of the tornadoes were not based on their elements- they were based on the color suit they were wearing. Zane once had a pink tornado- not an elemental motif. Spinjitzu is not tied to elemental power. I believe those w/o powers such as Misako, Wu, and Garmadon can do it as well, so it's more of a skill rather than elemental power. Agreed. "Elemental Spinjitzu" Yeah, no. Spinjitzu in its most basic form never actually had any elemental properties without a Golden Weapon (or active elemental power, as seen in episode 32). And not counting the 2015 episodes, actual elemental powers have been given to the ninja twice, and taken away once. Oh, and this is my 1100th post. Yay. Didn't they get powers three times and have them taken away twice, excluding 2015 episodes? They got the Golden Weapons, lost them, got the Elemental Blades, lost them, and then Lloyd unlocked their inner elemental abilities. Edited January 23, 2015 by Master_Data Quote
Mandate Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 Didn't they get powers three times and have them taken away twice, excluding 205 episodes? They got the Golden Weapons, lost them, got the Elemental Blades, lost them, and then Lloyd unlocked their inner elemental abilities. I was in the middle of typing a response to Penkid, but hey, I'll reply to you instead. The Elemental Blades gave the ninja no actual powers, despite the dialogue in the show. The elemental powers were contained within the blades, and the only person they granted powers to was Lloyd. But the biggest problem is Zane. He's a Nindroid, so he never had an actual "father" so to speak. If his powers have something do with his heart, why did they remain after he died and rebuilt himself? (and furthermore, what's happened to PIXAL's half?) Zane's powers are tied to his consciousness, so exactly how did he get his powers in the first place? It's just one big, massive plot hole. Quote
Master_Data Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 (edited) I was in the middle of typing a response to Penkid, but hey, I'll reply to you instead. The Elemental Blades gave the ninja no actual powers, despite the dialogue in the show. The elemental powers were contained within the blades, and the only person they granted powers to was Lloyd. Thanks. I was wondering about that! But the biggest problem is Zane. He's a Nindroid, so he never had an actual "father" so to speak. If his powers have something do with his heart, why did they remain after he died and rebuilt himself? (and furthermore, what's happened to PIXAL's half?) Zane's powers are tied to his consciousness, so exactly how did he get his powers in the first place? It's just one big, massive plot hole. Agreed. I hope we will see the Master of Ice in a future flashback. We've already seen some Elemental Masters (Fire, Earth, Sound, and a few others I can't recall right now). That could complicate things further, but it could solve our problems. EDIT: 200th post! Edited January 23, 2015 by Master_Data Quote
DuckBricks Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 Thanks. I was wondering about that! Agreed. I hope we will see the Master of Ice in a future flashback. We've already seen some Elemental Masters (Fire, Earth, Sound, and a few others I can't recall right now). That could complicate things further, but it could solve our problems. EDIT: 200th post! Seeing the Master of Ice would be good, especially if the flashback showed him in some way bestowing his power unto Zane through his son or grandson Julien... I believe we've seen the Elemental Masters of Fire, Water, Earth, and Light thus far in episode 40: Spellbound Wait, WATER????? There was a girl who clapped her hands and melted down an ice fountain/statue thing in episode 40... Could she be a master of water? Of perhaps she is the master of ice and used her power to melt the ice... Quote
Mandate Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 (edited) Yep, that's her element. It makes sense, really, that there's more elements/powers than we're aware of Clouse's spell only requires certain elements to work. So... let me put it this way, NINJAGO has more elements than BIONICLE and introduced more than half of them within a 6-month period of time Even if we see Elemental Masters bestowing their powers upon others, it still leaves the original plot hole lying around. Edited January 23, 2015 by JayWalker Quote
AyliffeMakit Posted January 24, 2015 Posted January 24, 2015 Episode 38 is up in English! Part 1: http://youtu.be/RvpjnIUa9zE Part 2: http://youtu.be/mmuNEHOM2xM Quote
coolcab1 Posted January 24, 2015 Posted January 24, 2015 So Skylor's element is amber (absorption) that's cool and we know the name of the master of sound so that's pretty darn cool. Quote
Takanuinuva Posted January 24, 2015 Posted January 24, 2015 Now we know where Lloyd got his Jungle Raider. Apparently being the green ninja includes a similar power to Fangpyre venom that only affect vehicles. I wonder if anyone could reverse engineer an Anacondrai Buggy from this episode. Quote
LK901 Posted January 24, 2015 Posted January 24, 2015 Now we know where Lloyd got his Jungle Raider. Apparently being the green ninja includes a similar power to Fangpyre venom that only affect vehicles. I wonder if anyone could reverse engineer an Anacondrai Buggy from this episode. That would be cool. But, how does Jay get his mech? Maybe the ninja still have the techno blades? Quote
Takanuinuva Posted January 24, 2015 Posted January 24, 2015 That would be cool. But, how does Jay get his mech? Maybe the ninja still have the techno blades? I'm going to take a wild guess and say that Cole and Jay's vehicles are hidden inside the DBX. We don't know what is in that truck yet from the show's point of view. Quote
Amazing Bricks Posted January 25, 2015 Posted January 25, 2015 (edited) That would be cool. But, how does Jay get his mech? Maybe the ninja still have the techno blades? SPOILERS AHEAD Jay gets his mech in a forest in episode 39 or 40, i forgot which one. Chen drops them off on a island, where the mech is in a white color. Jay gets on it and it turns blue. So they kind of have the techno blade ability. Sorry, the spoiler method wasn't working so i had to write spoilers in capital letters. Edited January 25, 2015 by amazingbricks Quote
Mandate Posted January 25, 2015 Posted January 25, 2015 (edited) It was episode 40. Spoiler tags are [ spoiler ] and [ /spoiler ]. Remove the spaces. EDIT: Pretty good episode. Not the greatest, but it was enjoyable. Minor spoiler: Toxikita's name is Toxikita (or Jay was just nicknaming her after her element) Uh-oh, romance is rumbling again. Apparently Garmadon lied to Misako about something a long time ago, when Garmadon was training under Chen. The Master of Sound (er, Jacob? Jakob?) is indeed blind, and is now dead. I get the feeling that Skylor's power being amber is meant to be some reference to Jurassic Park, but I can't really see any connection (so it probably isn't). Edited January 25, 2015 by JayWalker Quote
Master_Data Posted January 25, 2015 Posted January 25, 2015 Uh-oh, romance is rumbling again. Apparently Garmadon lied to Misako about something a long time ago, when Garmadon was training under Chen. The Master of Sound (er, Jacob? Jakob?) is indeed blind, and is now dead. I get the feeling that Skylor's power being amber is meant to be some reference to Jurassic Park, but I can't really see any connection (so it probably isn't). Amber preserves that which is within it- maybe the Master of Amber "preserves" others' powers within herself? (You got me thinking about that mosquito in amber from the Jurassic World theme.) Quote
Mandate Posted January 25, 2015 Posted January 25, 2015 Amber preserves that which is within it- maybe the Master of Amber "preserves" others' powers within herself? (You got me thinking about that mosquito in amber from the Jurassic World theme.) Hmm, good point. Unfortunately, it's still probably not a JP reference, unless the Ultimate Plot Device of Power turns out to be a giant snake embedded in stone. I'll give the Hageman brothers one thing, while the plot holes are many and huge this time around, they've done an excellent job of keeping Chen's plot somewhat secret. Is it to release a group of ancient Anacondrai Warriors into the world? Is it release another giant snake? Is it to turn all of Ninjago into Anacondrai? I mean, come on. There's ouroboros symbols everywhere, there's people turning into snakes, there's a highly successful line of edible products conveniently run by the bad guys in a secret factory. Which one is it? Quote
Master_Data Posted January 25, 2015 Posted January 25, 2015 (edited) I mean, come on. There's ouroboros symbols everywhere, there's people turning into snakes, there's a highly successful line of edible products conveniently run by the bad guys in a secret factory. Which one is it? Don't forget Pythor! Someone posted a rumor that Pythor is going to help the ninja later on, but that just doesn't make any sense. He's Pythor. He wouldn't do anything which wouldn't further his own interests (and destroying the ninja seems to be one of them). Edited January 25, 2015 by Master_Data Quote
Mandate Posted January 25, 2015 Posted January 25, 2015 That was actually an episode description. It's implied that Pythor will help them, but he might not. He's probably going to be a lot less complacent if the Falcon shows up, or worse, Wu decides his foot needs to stomp on something that isn't a bobble-head. Quote
PenPlays Posted January 25, 2015 Posted January 25, 2015 Hmm, good point. Unfortunately, it's still probably not a JP reference, unless the Ultimate Plot Device of Power turns out to be a giant snake embedded in stone. I'll give the Hageman brothers one thing, while the plot holes are many and huge this time around, they've done an excellent job of keeping Chen's plot somewhat secret. Is it to release a group of ancient Anacondrai Warriors into the world? Is it release another giant snake? Is it to turn all of Ninjago into Anacondrai? I mean, come on. There's ouroboros symbols everywhere, there's people turning into snakes, there's a highly successful line of edible products conveniently run by the bad guys in a secret factory. Which one is it? Well, there's something else to consider here. Clouse seems unbelievably traitorous. Sarcastic on some occasions as well. I wouldn't be surprised if he has his own agenda. Something involving the Morro, maybe? Quote
Mandate Posted January 25, 2015 Posted January 25, 2015 Well, there's something else to consider here. Clouse seems unbelievably traitorous. Sarcastic on some occasions as well. I wouldn't be surprised if he has his own agenda. Something involving the Morro, maybe? IMO it's more likely that the spell will backfire and unleash not Anacondrai, but Morro and his merry men Quote
LK901 Posted January 25, 2015 Posted January 25, 2015 IMO it's more likely that the spell will backfire and unleash not Anacondrai, but Morro and his merry men Would make sense.... Quote
DraikNova Posted January 25, 2015 Posted January 25, 2015 Or unleash both. However, taking the character descriptions from the Ninjago site into account, Chen is actually going to transform his minions into Anacondrai. Also, Chen displayed the patience of a two-year old in this episode.While consistent with the "has been a tyrant for a very long time and has had servants attend to his every whim" bit of his backstory, that doesn't really make him all too interesting a villain. If he had internalized it and, after the competition was over said something to Clouse along the lines of "Another excellent display from the ninja. Soon they may be worthy of being crushed by me.", he may have appeared a little less stupid. Although the fact that he didn't just have everyone (with the possible exception of Toxikita, who may have a resistance to that) tranquilized and drained them then and there kind of puts limits on how intelligent he can be shown to be anyway. Quote
LK901 Posted January 25, 2015 Posted January 25, 2015 Or unleash both. However, taking the character descriptions from the Ninjago site into account, Chen is actually going to transform his minions into Anacondrai. Also, Chen displayed the patience of a two-year old in this episode.While consistent with the "has been a tyrant for a very long time and has had servants attend to his every whim" bit of his backstory, that doesn't really make him all too interesting a villain. If he had internalized it and, after the competition was over said something to Clouse along the lines of "Another excellent display from the ninja. Soon they may be worthy of being crushed by me.", he may have appeared a little less stupid. Although the fact that he didn't just have everyone (with the possible exception of Toxikita, who may have a resistance to that) tranquilized and drained them then and there kind of puts limits on how intelligent he can be shown to be anyway. I didn't like Chen at the start, and he's not getting any better.. Thank god for Clouse, he is actually one of the best villains we have had yet.. Quote
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