Star Wars Rebels

[ChiefPie]

In one of the space battle clips you can see mandalorian fighters shooting tie fighters.

[Tom Jurassic]

Interesting to see Death Troopers in this with Thrawn considering they work for the Imperial Special Weapons branch. Is it possible that Thrawn is an admiral with associations to the branch, or perhaps that Death Troopers are more widely-deployed as special forces then we were originally told?

[Tariq j]

The legend has returned. 

Its interesting to see Thrawn in combat, Mon Mothma was good, and it's nice to see Filoni is slowly bringing Rebels into the Rogue One timeline now. 

Its great to see Legends stuff now returning to canon, those look like Dark troopers(?) It looks like Kallus's secret is soon to be revealed. The Dath troopers make me hope Krennic might make an appearance.

[Forresto]

WULF YULAREN! Finally! 

 Wow there's a lot of meat in this trailer. 

-Thrawn wearing white and gold emblazoned field armor. 

-Wulf Yularen running with a squad of stormtrooper officers? 

-Tie Defenders

-That Imperial Fleet with the five Imperial Star Destroyers AND an Interdictor. 

-Death Troopers! 

-Geonosis! 

-Rebels and Saw Gerrera on Geonosis!

-Thrawn on Geonosis! 

[RetroInferno]

Last episode was not too bad, cric crac made it possible to find a geonosian adorable and Saw was a complete megablocks. 

They were almost in danger a couple times, the key word is almost.

The ghost almost established a new record, the one to beat is surviving the combined firepower of a couple TIEs and fregates at point blank range for 15 seconds, we are talking about a light freighter here? 

- They took no damage from a collapsing tunnel they were escaping from.

- Apparently 2 proton torpedos can cut clean off a light imperial frigate, but a bombing run from 2 TIE bombers tickled the Ghost's shield. 

- Sabine wrecked the rocket troopers squadron ( which were AWESOME ) by farting thermal detonators 360 degree style with dead eye accuracy. ( Sand storm also scratched her paint job, which I think she found out to be more annoying ). Also mentions sand gets everywhere, which was funny. 

- I hate Sabine.

- Ezra was surprinsingly decent troughout the episode.

- The Imperials should pratice their fart jokes because it's not their ship or blasters that's gonna end this bunch of demi gods. 

- I think we need a Death Battle kind of video to match up the Death Star vs the Ghost, I'm betting on the Ghost. 

Sorry for the rant, but I try to make it entertainning. 

 

 

Edited January 8, 2017 by RetroInferno

[Captain Nemo]

I thought on the whole, it was a fine episode--but it was brought down by a bit of inconsistencies and cringe worthy dialogue from you know who. The episode did look spectacular however, so that was a great plus. But anyways here are my thoughts on Saw (spoil tagged in the interest of R1 spoilers). 

Spoiler

• Saw: Obviously the most important inclusion of the episode. I thought he was handled rather inconstantly though. I disliked how he shifted from calm to crazy and back again every two seconds, and especially how near the end (during the hostage taking time) all of a sudden, everyone was friends and forgot about it. 
• That being said, simply having a non-injured Saw did add some intensity to the episode. I kept waiting for him to get caught in an explosion or something, but that never happened. Granted, obviously, the writers knew viewers would be waiting for this so they added in that little grenade tease, which was entirely appropriate. I do wonder if we will see Saw later on getting injured; and I think/hope it could be possible Kallus is involved, considering their prior history. That might be a good way for Thrawn to utilize Fulcrum. 

On non Saw stuff:

• Ezra was the worst part of this episode, what with his childish naming of Klick-Klack. I cringed and looked away every time they mentioned that name, which was frequent.
• As pointed out in a review from the AV Club (who write great in-depth reviews on practically everything), the moral superiority of Ezra and crew is starting to annoy me. Saw was not in the wrong to want to interrogate Klick-Klack. Ezra saying how they need to do everything the "right" and compassionate way while forcing troopers to commit suicide (which happened this season if we remember!) is very disingenuous.  
• On the flip side, Sabine was arguably the best individual of the episode, what with her sweet jetpack action. The Rocket Troopers were incredibly awesome too, if anything because they recalled the more effective and deadly troopers in Rogue One. They were even smart enough to take the high ground!  
• On the other characters though, I wish Zeb wasn't seemingly pushed to the sidelines so much this season. When Hera splits the team up, it's the Kanan, Ezra, Chopper and Rex show yet again. We need to put our only two Jedi on the same team again? Sabine gets some sweet action shots as always, but Zeb yet again gets shuffled to the sidelines being practically nonexistent. There are so many "guest" characters being brought in now that the main crew is getting overshadowed I think.         
• I'm calling absolute BS on the Ghost not getting hit by even one boulder. 

The absolute best part of the episode in my opinion however, and perhaps one of my favorite things ever on Star Wars Rebels, was the female (!) Imperial captain smacking the Imperial officer (who gives Kallus a run for his money in the sideburns department ) on the back of his head, sending his hat spinning around his head! Rebels excels at the really small yet simple inclusions of "background" animations and this is easily the best one yet. Absolute hilarious! 

[Forresto]

I sorta feel that if the two groups, the Ghost Crew and Saw Gerrera, were television shows then the Ghost Crew are very much the Original Series of Star Trek and Saw Gerrera should be the Deep Space Nine. To explain the Ghost Crew are very idealistic and above board with their actions typically but they are cowboys in space that are willing to get into a tustle and duke it out with fists. Whereas Saw Gerrera is the very realistic rebel/insurgent character who should be far darker and much grittier by comparison. Saw is that in Rogue One. 

I didnt get that from him in Rebels. Unfortunately while Rebels CAN get pretty real and more adult they made Saw much less then what he is later. 

For me I feel that the Ghost crew should have been the kids show and when Saw shows up he is the adult show if that makes any sense. His introduction on the show should have been the slap in the face to the Ghost Crew to take a look around and wake up. The Empire is horrible, look at this genocide they committed against the Geonosians, the Empire needs to be stopped at all costs.

All in all I enjoyed the episodes but not nearly as much as I had hoped. My problem with Rebels as a show is usually they so close to greatness with episodes and if there were small tweaks here and there with portrayal it would be there but so often they fall just short and its frustrating.   

 

 

Edited January 8, 2017 by Forresto

[ChiefPie]

 I enjoyed the episode. Loved when Rex said Kanan was no skywalker. Sabine talking about sand. Um one thing that I'm not liking right now is about the geonosian queen. So in the Vader comics Vader goes to geonosis to grab a droid factory and apparently a geonosian queen was attached to it because she had lost her abdomen. And now Pablo Hidalgo says that queen is from the egg. I originally thought the queen in the comic was the same one in TCW which would make more sense. She would have lost her abdomen after being covered in rocks. But somehow it's the queen from Rebels that somehow lost its abdomen even though it was deep in the caves. So pretty much that means that geonosians will now go extinct which I was hoping wasn't going to happen. Sure you can say she lost the abdomen due to the poison but how would it get to her if she was sealed far underground. The rocket troopers were very cool and the way Sabine took them out is what I expect from a mando.

Edited January 8, 2017 by ChiefPie

[VaderFan2187]

On 1/9/2017 at 6:33 AM, Forresto said:

My problem with Rebels as a show is usually they so close to greatness with episodes and if there were small tweaks here and there with portrayal it would be there but so often they fall just short and its frustrating.   

That is true of so, so many LEGO Star Wars sets too.

[xboxtravis7992]

I know I am way behind with everyone else; but I am slowly catching up with Season 3. I bought the first episode of the season with some iTunes gift card credit, and finally watched all of it today. I know the title of the episode was something like Steps into Shadow or something like that; but since I am not sure I will just refer to it as Y-Wings Glorious for the rest of my post since I don't want to butcher an episode title (besides as I have said before I really love Y-Wings...). 

So anyways last night I also read the first two volumes of the collected Kanan: The Last Padwan comic and I still have the viewing of Rogue One  from a few weeks ago still simmering in my mind. So from what I have gleaned from "Y-Wings Glorious", the comic, the commentary on the season from you guys and other places around the web, and Rogue One; is really a much darker view of the Rebellion. Remember how decidedly darkside like the whole Ezra mind controlling an AT-DP pilot was from that first episode? It seems to stand in stark contrast with our image of the Rebellion from A New Hope. But it actually fits in very well with the actions of the Rebels in Rogue One (particularly our first scene with Cassian Andor in that film). A few of you have mentioned the Ghost crew's seeming moral superiority compared to Saw Guerrera in the last episode was strange... But it now seems that is almost one of the fatal flaw of the Rebels across all these stories. Kanan willing to tell Ezra how evil it was to use the Sith Holocron seems a little backhanded when we read in the comic about Kanan's days as a smuggler after Order 66... Ezra telling Saw how awful his methods are seems a little backhanded compared to Ezra using mind control to command an AT-DP pilot to kill his allies. Saw telling Jyn how shocked he was to see her come to him with a group of rebel troops; seems a little strange coming from the man who used Bor-Gullet to torture a former Imperial and a few years earlier threatened to kill off the entire Geonosian species... 

So what do I find interesting about all these characters openly lying to one another in the Rebelion? Well it seems that they honestly believe what they are telling each other. In truth the Rebellion's cause is just; the force is really with them in their fight to stop the evil Empire. But their methods to get there? Its war. War is dark, its evil, and harsh. Ezra could justify his killing of that squad in the episode because he saw it as a wartime need, yet refuses to admit that it was just as evil as the things the Empire would do. Saw could justify torturing Bodhi with Bor as a necessity; although again it stoops to the same level of evil the Empire would employ. What the rebels are doing is harsh, but to cope with it they won't admit it until after the war is won. Basically rather than admit that they are fitting as dirty as the Empire; the Rebels are trying to seek the moral high ground to cope with what basically boils down to war crimes. While I said that I think the Rebel's cause is just, their methods are having an adverse affect on the mentality of its soldiers.

From what I have observed only a few Rebels in the TV show at least seem to have had to come with terms to this. The main one seems to actually be Captain Rex. A former clone trooper and hardened soldier; it seems he has shown signs of having PTSD like effects. Yet he also seems to be a bit more honest about how dirty the Rebel's war is then the rest of the rebels are sometimes. Sure Rex can join the rest of the Ghost crew in asserting their morals at times; but he isn't ignoring their dirty little war. The way the Rebels in Rogue One act compared to the T.V. show right now makes me think things are just going to get worse for the rebels in the coming seasons of the show; as they go from their idealist vision to hardened soldiers. The type of soldier willing to shoot their informant in the back, or the type willing to bomb an ally to death. All of this ads a new significance to the title of A New Hope, as our group of hardened soldiers by that point are literally reminded on what ideals they started their rebellion on. It takes the destruction of the Death Star to bring truth back to the Rebel's morality.

Basically what I am trying to say boils down to this. Our Rebel heroes might seem chipper and happy; but deep down inside they should all be a little screwed up... Just saying. Sorry if this is just a bunch of nerdy over analysis. 

[ChiefPie]

Just finished Warhead and I enjoyed it. I feel it was a half filler and half storyline episode. I like that the protocol droid can fix it self. It was cool to see the droid blow up inside a star destroyer which apparently helped Thrawn get closer to finding the base down to 94 planets. I don't really have a problem with filler episodes  since they show things that you normally wouldn't get in a full storyline episode.

[RetroInferno]

I like how they completly ripped off Predators with the self destruct system, the countdown was almost identical. :O

Also wasn't there like 20 seconds for the bomb to blow? The imperial crew could have ejected the thing. Unless AP5 tampered the remainning time too. 

Forresto really nailed it with this though ''My problem with Rebels as a show is usually they so close to greatness with episodes and if there were small tweaks here and there with portrayal it would be there but so often they fall just short and its frustrating'' 

Most episodes feels like a Star Trek episode with Wesley Crusher: It's all good and dandy and suddendly he appears and the only thing that comes into mind is drinking bleach. The protagonists in Rebels utterly outsmart their opponents every time like that freacking Crusher brat it totally pulls you off from the episode.

For example, in that episode, the droid came of as menacing, taking out 2 giant spiders not even in combat form, a feat Zeb could only dream of, only to get his megablocks handed to him later, without injurying him?

Heck, Clone Wars has a less interesting setting than Rebels yet they managed to have stronger characters, plots and returning characters by season 3 compared to this. ( Both series have a shitty season 1 though )

 

[ChiefPie]

I don't know how many of you watch rebels recon but the part where Andi asks Pablo questions was the best. Pablo confirmed the egg in rebels is the queen in the Vader comics. And the question everyone has been asking is what will happen to the geonosians since that queen cannot produce. And he says that the tunnels go pretty deep underground so you never know what's down there. And I definitely agree that the protagonists in the show definitely never feel threatened enough to the point of death. While the Empire is just full of people that are not smart and expendable.

Edited January 15, 2017 by ChiefPie

[VaderFan2187]

4 hours ago, ChiefPie said:

And I definitely agree that the protagonists in the show definitely never feel threatened enough to the point of death. While the Empire is just full of people that are not smart and expendable.

THAT is the problem with rebels. You need main characters that you love... who get killed off, maybe one at a time (like Rogue One stretched out). That'd give you a true sense of how outnumbered and hopeless the Rebellion is (or seems)

[makoy]

11 hours ago, ChiefPie said:

I don't know how many of you watch rebels recon but the part where Andi asks Pablo questions was the best. Pablo confirmed the egg in rebels is the queen in the Vader comics. And the question everyone has been asking is what will happen to the geonosians since that queen cannot produce. And he says that the tunnels go pretty deep underground so you never know what's down there. And I definitely agree that the protagonists in the show definitely never feel threatened enough to the point of death. While the Empire is just full of people that are not smart and expendable.

That is my favourite segment of the show as well. 

As for the protagonists issues, I'm sure that if the show wasn't meant for kids the writers can handle this topic with more liberty. However, Star Wars Rebels is still a kids show and any kids TV producers will try to steer away from death whenever possible so I am so used to the the protagonist being oblivious to danger.

[xboxtravis7992]

8 hours ago, VaderFan2187 said:

THAT is the problem with rebels. You need main characters that you love... who get killed off, maybe one at a time (like Rogue One stretched out). That'd give you a true sense of how outnumbered and hopeless the Rebellion is (or seems)

Well, they have killed off a few of the secondary characters, and have implied that Asohka is dead. Also Kanan got blinded... My bet is if they start killing characters off, they will use it to add drama to mid-season and season finales. Since we know that at least Hera and Chopper made it to the Battle of Scarrif, it means the rest of the cast is in risk of biting the dust sometime before then (and Dave Finoli is kind of suggesting that Captain Rex made it to the Battle of Endor although that hasn't been canonized yet.). I could see Kallus and Sato both in risk right now with the current story plots going on, and Sabine, Zeb, and Kanan are also possible candidates for upcoming impactful character death moments. Especially Kanan, since I think his death could push Ezra to mature greatly while also running the risk of turning closer to the dark side.

Edited January 15, 2017 by xboxtravis7992

[VaderFan2187]

3 hours ago, xboxtravis7992 said:

Well, they have killed off a few of the secondary characters, and have implied that Asohka is dead. Also Kanan got blinded...

I have heard many people say that Ahsoka is implied to be alive...?

[xboxtravis7992]

4 hours ago, VaderFan2187 said:

I have heard many people say that Ahsoka is implied to be alive...?

Yes, I have heard that rumor too. I won't believe it until I see it though. 

Edited January 16, 2017 by xboxtravis7992

[Umbra-Manis]

Just now, xboxtravis7992 said:

Yes, I have heard that tumor too. I won't believe it until I see it though. 

Having the ability to hear tumors would make you an in demand medical service. 

Its intentionally ambiguous, so they get more discussion about it.

[VaderFan2187]

2 hours ago, Umbra-Manis said:

Having the ability to hear tumors would make you an in demand medical service. 

Hahaha!

 

2 hours ago, Umbra-Manis said:

Its intentionally ambiguous, so they get more discussion about it.

Yep. It's probably really interesting for them, as they know the outcome but they get to watch us keep speculating :D

[xboxtravis7992]

2 hours ago, Umbra-Manis said:

Having the ability to hear tumors would make you an in demand medical service. 

Its intentionally ambiguous, so they get more discussion about it.

Oh my gosh!  Stupid auto correct. 

P.S. I actually work in hospitals checking people in, one of my locations includes a cancer hospital. Should I tell them I can hear tumors now? I could get a raise!

[Calanon]

I thoroughly enjoyed the Warhead episode. Also, I may have went on a Twitter rant to Pablo Hidalgo (keeper of the canon) about what he was saying about ranks. Backed up by the co-writer of Hellboy.

[ChiefPie]

I have a feeling Ahsoka is alive since you can see her going down into the temple and I would doubt she knows how to become a force ghost that quick.

On January 15, 2017 at 11:27 AM, makoy said:

That is my favourite segment of the show as well. 

As for the protagonists issues, I'm sure that if the show wasn't meant for kids the writers can handle this topic with more liberty. However, Star Wars Rebels is still a kids show and any kids TV producers will try to steer away from death whenever possible so I am so used to the the protagonist being oblivious to danger.

It is a kid show and so was TCW. I think the only reason we haven't seen a member of the Ghost crew die yet is because the show is centered around them. And because of that we don't get to see different people grow in the show only to end up dieing which is what TCW did. 

Anyway is anyone excited for the mando episodes and to learn more about the darksaber?

[VaderFan2187]

20 minutes ago, ChiefPie said:

Anyway is anyone excited for the mando episodes and to learn more about the darksaber?

Yep! I always love Mandalorians

 

20 minutes ago, ChiefPie said:

It is a kid show and so was TCW. I think the only reason we haven't seen a member of the Ghost crew die yet is because the show is centered around them. And because of that we don't get to see different people grow in the show only to end up dieing which is what TCW did.

That's why I prefer TCW :-)

[Forresto]

To be fair as said the Clone Wars was a kids show and a lot people died. The problem with Rebels isnt that the main protagonists havent died, at least I think, its that they havent  built a large roster of named secondary characters they can just wipe out.

For instance in the Clone Wars we knew certain characters couldnt die such as Anakain and Obi-Wan but they were smart and threw Ashoka into the mix. None of us knew her and I think many of us at the time did not forsee her surviving the show. Especially when Jedi and admirals and clones are being knocked off left and right.

Wedge and Hobby and Dodonna are all cool but we know they survive. Now because of Rogue One we know even another two that make it so where is the tension? We should be getting to know a dozen other rebel characters that pop up from time to time like that imperial droid who defected. People who have one or two lines every other episode we get to know over the course of a season. People we get connected to that aren't in the OT so we dont know their fate. The Rebels writers did that with the Imperials and because of that I tend to root for the Empire while watching the show.

Edited January 17, 2017 by Forresto