Purpearljellyblob Posted April 6, 2013 Posted April 6, 2013 Sorry, I only meant to scare naughty scummy children. Did I scare you? If we lynched someone else, hoping they are scum is a risk we have to take, but we have to balance that against the fact that if we lynch the probable scum killer today, there will no doubt be a scum kill tonight. I'm not trying to protect the probable scum killer - I'm suggesting a way to protect the town by neutralising the probable scum killer's night action. It's also a numbers thing. If we keep a certain lynch until tomorrow and remove the night action in the meantime, if we accidentally lynched a townie today it would be less dreadful than if we lynched the killer today, lose a townie tonight then accidentally lynch a townie tomorrow. With respect to a "less important night action" - don't you think that framing, for example, is less important to scum than killing? The moment we lynch the killer (like last time), the kill will go to someone else and the scum will probably give up a "less important night action" to regain the kill, if they are already saturated with night actions. This isn't about scum lynching someone else instead of the killer, because the killer will be blocked again tonight. Also, you're shouting. It scares the children. You also said the same thing on Day 5 when everyone was convinced Shawna was scum: Adriano, those results of suspicions look interesting. If you wanted, we could keep Shawna around, expel someone else and proxy-vote for Shawna's target tonight. Apparently you tried to influence Adriano (which you failed) to switch the bandwagon to someone else. But you decided to go with Shawna's lynch because you knew Burton was the next killer in waiting? If Burton is the last killer the scum would ever have, the scum would go all out to protect him or at least let him live for another day. Aren't you doing exactly that right now?
jimmynick Posted April 6, 2013 Posted April 6, 2013 No. I'm protecting the town from the certainty of a scum kill tonight if we lynch Burton. On Day Five, the issue was that Shawna had claimed serial killer and people (Davey, Adriano, Cameron) believed her serial killer claim and seemed interested in keeping her around to kill scum. I wasn't trying to switch the bandwagon. This situation is entirely different. I have no problem expelling Burton, because he's probably scum, but if we do, scum will no doubt have another killer tonight, killing more townies. You seem not to understand that. Ideally, we'd neuter the scum by blocking their killer every night and lynch Burton last. There will never be a point at which the scum no longer have a kill - that defeats the purpose of them being scum. Now we know who the scum killer is, do you really want to trade a short-term benefit (lynching a scum) for long-term losses (losing townies to an unknown new scum killer)? You seem to be going really hard against me, and my only crime is pointing out a little problem of benefits and losses in which I prefer keeping the scum killer until the end, but blocking him indefinitely. If you want, you can keep shouting, but you seem really keen to let the scum kill pass on to someone else. Next time, read my entire post before you respond angrily.
mostlytechnic Posted April 6, 2013 Posted April 6, 2013 Allison, I agree with you IF the kill ability would keep getting passed on. The link Lucy posted talked about only a specific backup to an investigator or doctor, but I looked around and found that "standard" games don't have a specific killer on the Mesa team. It IS one person who carries out the attack, but not necessarily the same one each night. http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mafia The details of how it works though vary from game to game, and I don't know what rules are being used here. So is the killer pre-determined, or would the fact that we're saying "we're going to block Guster tonight" mean the Mesas would just have someone else slip a weapon in someone's bag tonight and get them expelled? To phrase it differently: IF Burton is scum and we block him instead of lynch, could the Mesas just have someone else attack since they know he's going to be blocked? Or is the killer a fixed role for as long as that player is around, and so we could conceivable keep the known killer around and perma-block him while going after the rest of the scum?
jimmynick Posted April 7, 2013 Posted April 7, 2013 Mary Jane: There are certain "house rules" to mafia on EB such as roleplaying and pretty pictures. It seems to be standard practice here for one person to be the killer, and when the killer is lynched or killed, someone else becomes the killer. A recent example is in the story of Winter Haven, a certain cat killed people at night and then was killed by the town. Subsequently, a certain sheep became the Felix Fox killer. Judging from precedent, I feel perfectly comfortable perma-blocking Burton while we find the rest of the scum.
mostlytechnic Posted April 7, 2013 Posted April 7, 2013 Ah, see, that's EXACTLY the kind of knowledge I came to the academy to acquire. No one told me that reading old games was the class textbook :)
Darkdragon Posted April 7, 2013 Author Posted April 7, 2013 Voting is now open. With 12 players left, it takes 7 for a successful expulsion.
badboytje88 Posted April 7, 2013 Posted April 7, 2013 I've been away the past day, I'll need some time to catch up.
Mencot Posted April 7, 2013 Posted April 7, 2013 I've been away the past day, I'll need some time to catch up. 2nd that
Hammerstein NWC Posted April 7, 2013 Posted April 7, 2013 What time does voting close GMT, I'm none the user as to who to vote for!? A lot of people seem certain of Vurtons guilt? Is he being kept around of got rid of? I don't want to bandwagon, my suspicions on Andrew remain, but I hasten to add they are my suspicions, not those forced on me by others. I'm starting to get more suspicious of others now too for obvious reasons... How man hours do we have left to vote?
Esurient Posted April 7, 2013 Posted April 7, 2013 What time does voting close GMT, I'm none the user as to who to vote for!? A lot of people seem certain of Vurtons guilt? Is he being kept around of got rid of? I don't want to bandwagon, my suspicions on Andrew remain, but I hasten to add they are my suspicions, not those forced on me by others. I'm starting to get more suspicious of others now too for obvious reasons... How man hours do we have left to vote? We still have more than 24 hours left to vote.
LegoDad Posted April 7, 2013 Posted April 7, 2013 I've been away the past day, I'll need some time to catch up. It's a page and a half, I hope you had time to get caught up by now! Anyway, I have no problem with going ahead and voting for the alleged killer, I initially voted for him yesterday, and I'll do it again. I understand Allison's side and concerns, but I'll take the risk as I feel we'll be down to roughly 2 mesa if this turns out correct and we'll have a huge number advantage Vote: Burton Guster (Jedi Master Brick)
Purpearljellyblob Posted April 8, 2013 Posted April 8, 2013 I hope we can stay ahead of the scum. We have the blocker's results and should act on it. Please do not underestimate the Black Mesa, if we lynch one of them today, they will have 1 less brain to plot against us tonight. They need to outnumber us, so by taking out one of them today, we will be crippling them. My vote today goes to: Vote: Burton Guster (Jedi master Brick)
mostlytechnic Posted April 8, 2013 Posted April 8, 2013 I'd actually typed up a reply saying the same as Claire, but I just can't do it yet. I think I have to agree with Allison stronger here... Yes, I'd be very willing to vote for Guster based on the info we have. However, I think that would lead to a scum being lynched AND a townie getting night killed. On the other hand, what info will we have to go on otherwise? If we do lynch Guster, then the blocker would be free to block someone else and see what the results are. Might get lucky and confirm another scum. Or we'd for sure confirm a town as they got killed off if the blocker chose wrongly or unluckily (since the blocker would have 3 possible results - 1. block someone, see no night kill, and know that's a scum. 2. block a scum, but not the new killer, and know nothing for sure other than a dead townie's loyalty 3. Block a town by mistake, know nothing for sure other than a dead townie's loyalty. That's a very risky play - My gut says we're currently at 8 town and 4 scum. Could be 7-5 too (I'm saying those numbers just based on thinking it started with 5 or 6 scum, not thinking about how many current suspects I have). Man, I'm waffling back and forth. I guess I'm willing to vote guster over a no-lynch vote, since that would tell us truly NOTHING. But I'd rather vote someone else off. Yesterday there were 3 people I think are town (myself, Bobby, and Jeanie) voting for Andrew and then Guster and Chuckie jumped on, trying to get andrew out. Either they're town helping expel scum, or they're scum getting on a bandwagon against Andrew. Still doesn't mean he's not scum (the talk was solidly leaning against Andrew at that point, so maybe they were just trying to hide). But with that in mind, for now I'm going to say Vote: Chuckie Miller (-obelix-)
Clanure Posted April 8, 2013 Posted April 8, 2013 I'm not sure where to go today. I get both sides, but I think I lean a bit more towards ousting those we have some evidence against. I'm going to go ahead and vote that way, but I'm willing to change it if we can get a decent argument on someone else. Vote: Burton Guster (Jedi Master Brick)
jimmynick Posted April 8, 2013 Posted April 8, 2013 Supposing we might lynch someone else, my vote is the same as it was yesterday. Vote: Jeanie Bueller (badboytje88) But if we don't lynch anyone today, we'd be in the same position tomorrow and that would be terrible. So my vote is open to change.
Esurient Posted April 8, 2013 Posted April 8, 2013 I am going with the evidence today. Vote: Burton Guster (Jedi master Brick)
Darkdragon Posted April 8, 2013 Author Posted April 8, 2013 Jeanie Bueller (badboytje88) - 1 vote (jamesn) Burton Guster (Jedi master Brick) - 4 votes (LegoDad, Purpearljellyblob, Clanure, Esurient) Chuckie Miller (-obelix-) - 1 vote (mostlytechnic) There are 24 hours left in the day.
Mencot Posted April 8, 2013 Posted April 8, 2013 I am still gonna wait for my vote I am wondering about this keeping the block on Burton or lynching him!
badboytje88 Posted April 8, 2013 Posted April 8, 2013 Well lets lynch a member of team scum today! Vote: Burton Guster (Jedi master Brick) Allison why can't we all just get along!
Jedi master Brick Posted April 8, 2013 Posted April 8, 2013 Vote: Brian Johnson (Purpearljellyblob) This is to stop the town being manipulated by the scum again.
PsyKater Posted April 8, 2013 Posted April 8, 2013 Why Brian then? Do you really think they sacrificed Shawna? It's a poor defense. You could defend yourself much better and if you are town I recommend you to do so instead of whining all the time. I am fine with lynching Burton today. Think about it: We have enough evidence that he is scum. His lack of a proper defense seals it. What if we chose to block him? There is much risk that we lynch a town member instead. What if we kill him and they kill someone at night? They still do not outnumber us. So why should we hesitate to lynch Burton? I sat this idea out this "morning" for multiple reasons: - I wanted to give Burton a chance to defend - I wanted a discussion about alternative lynch candidates. I wanted to see if we can find evidence on another student. - I wanted to see who tries to stop lynching Burton. Scum would have great interest in stopping the lynch. I am surprised that someone was really pushing this option so hard. What does this someone say to justify this behavior? Vote: Burton Guster (Jedi master Brick)
Hammerstein NWC Posted April 8, 2013 Posted April 8, 2013 There seems to be a lack of evidence on anyone else. I'm still wary of people flying under the radar, My suspicions on Andrew remain but he clearly isn't today's target. We don't have any evidence except the flimsy block result on Burton, that said some evidence is better than the hunches that we have relied on before (apart from Andrews 100% solid read on Simone Vote Burton guster (Jedi Master Brick)
PsyKater Posted April 8, 2013 Posted April 8, 2013 What flimsy result? Burton was blocked. There was no Scum kill. No defense from Burton apart from: "They made it up!!" There is no other option than lynching him. Why are you so hesitant?
Mencot Posted April 8, 2013 Posted April 8, 2013 Good points Adriano Ok, I have made up my mind, I will go with this also Vote: Burton Guster (Jedi master Brick) But for tomorrow, who are the rest, I have my suspicions and the keep growing now when the people are getting less and see how people react and vote and react to others voting. Hmm we will go from here, we are on a good trail i think
badboytje88 Posted April 8, 2013 Posted April 8, 2013 Now we know who the scum killer is, do you really want to trade a short-term benefit (lynching a scum) for long-term losses (losing townies to an unknown new scum killer)? By the way I do not think our host will keep on passing on the kill ability.
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