badboytje88 Posted March 27, 2013 Posted March 27, 2013 So far, most likely to get my vote are: Adriano, Shawna, Chuckie and Allison So you don't want to vote for Shawna, or do you? I might consider it but the lynches so far have been unsuccessful and I'd much rather vote for someone who contributed to the previous lynches as it is most likely the town core, who everyone is listening to, is team scum
Jedi master Brick Posted March 27, 2013 Posted March 27, 2013 I am surprised John did not flip scum. I voted for John because he was not contributing anything useful. I thought the scum would be flying under the radar but as it seems, I was going down the wrong path.
-obelix- Posted March 27, 2013 Posted March 27, 2013 ok, as far as I'm concerned, we need to take a VERY VERY hard look at who voted John out. That would be:Burton, Cameron, Andrew, Adriano, Chuckie, Claire, Bobby, Shawna I want to hear WHY each of you voted for poor John. Cause let's face it, out of that 8 names there's multiple scum. I have my suspicions, but I want to see each of you try to defend your vote. What seemed scummy to you? BECAUSE YOU WERE WRONG! As I said that yesterday, there are only two reasons I voted for poor John: 1) There really IS a group thing behind the expulsion of only loyal students, and while I did vote for some of them I suspected Wendy was not scum and I didn't vote for her. All I have are suspicions (my gut feeling) and what I can conclude from the shared information. By the way, that is the reason I dont post more, I don't have anything useful to give. 2) Was that we have to vote each day, and while I didn't want to and delayed it for as long as I could, in the end I voted for the person who was going anyway (not that there was anything particularly scummy in his behavior). I wanted to, and I stayed quiet because I thought my speculations could only bring more harm, but if you wish I will talk plainly. There are people, who voted for all the loyal students (aside from the threads, I had no contact with those people). That is where my finger of suspicion lays today. Again, other then my gut feeling, I have no evidence to support that they are responsible.
Mencot Posted March 27, 2013 Posted March 27, 2013 I agrrr with Mary-Jane we should not trust shawna to start taking out scum because we now "know" who she is, we should vote her out. Other optiom is our bloker blocks her nightaction and we lynch one of the other clear scumcases. Shawna is probably just lying like andrew and the rest of the innercircle, to save their skin for another day.
Fred Daniel Yam Posted March 27, 2013 Posted March 27, 2013 Shawna, what were you night actions targets and results (for each night)? Please try to be as specific as possible (regarding differences in the wording of the result etc). Aight then, cool. N1) I killed Sloane N2) I got blocked. N3) I didn't kill Then I got blocked by the town blocker all theway I agrrr with Mary-Jane we should not trust shawna to start taking out scum because we now "know" who she is, we should vote her out. Other optiom is our bloker blocks her nightaction and we lynch one of the other clear scumcases. Shawna is probably just lying like andrew and the rest of the innercircle, to save their skin for another day. ? Inner-circle? What? I'm not even "in" that. or are you gunning for me so badly you need to save your own skin?
PsyKater Posted March 27, 2013 Posted March 27, 2013 Brian, did the blocker get "successful" or something like that that would indicate that he really blocked some action or was it always the same? And why the heck is it so silent?
jimmynick Posted March 27, 2013 Posted March 27, 2013 Aight then, cool. N1) I killed Sloane N2) I got blocked. N3) I didn't kill Then I got blocked by the town blocker all theway Whom did you target when you didn't get a kill? Who killed Craig on Night Two then? I'd much rather vote for someone who contributed to the previous lynches as it is most likely the town core, who everyone is listening to, is team scum "Town core" is such a vague phrase - it could refer to anyone who's been in PM with Claire and Cameron. Who do you think constitutes the "Town core"? For me, it's Claire, Cameron, Andrew and Adriano. When voting comes around, I'll have my eyes on Bobby Busch, Mary Jane and Shawna Spencer, among others. But I'm pretty sure Shawna, the confessed SK, will get my vote. Brian, do you know whom the blocker blocked on Nights One and Two, if Shawna was the target on Nights Three and Four?
Purpearljellyblob Posted March 27, 2013 Posted March 27, 2013 Night 1,2 : Blocked Craig Result for both nights: The "Blocker" locked Craig in his room. Night 3,4 : Blocked Shawna Result for both nights: The "Blocker" locked Shawna in her room. Brian, did the blocker get "successful" or something like that that would indicate that he really blocked some action or was it always the same? I just got a bunch of words describing what was actually done at night.
Darkdragon Posted March 28, 2013 Author Posted March 28, 2013 Voting is now open. With 14 players left, it takes 8 for a successful expulsion.
Mencot Posted March 28, 2013 Posted March 28, 2013 I know that it has been said that the comics don´t give any hints and clues and the first post today had this: "that pictures were not one of the listed indicators, and, in fact, visual clues were directly discouraged. Seriously" But I can´t help to think when I look on the last one here, their talking about a "big red button" which can´t be found altough it is as big as a sofa. Not putting anymore tought in this but is like the scum is so obvious, in front of our eyes but when just can´t see it? Aight then, cool. N1) I killed Sloane N2) I got blocked. N3) I didn't kill Then I got blocked by the town blocker all theway ? Inner-circle? What? I'm not even "in" that. or are you gunning for me so badly you need to save your own skin? So if Shawan "choose" to not kill on N3, who took out Craig? I don´t beleive that "I just didn´t choose to kill", it is your job, you have gotten that in the beginning and it would be totally lying to claim now that you didn´t use your "skill"... actually when somebody was expelled on that night "Craig"
Fred Daniel Yam Posted March 28, 2013 Posted March 28, 2013 Whom did you target when you didn't get a kill? Who killed Craig on Night Two then? Brian, do you know whom the blocker blocked on Nights One and Two, if Shawna was the target on Nights Three and Four? I don't know who expelled Craig but I tried targeting Brian as well during last night (sorry Bro, I didn't want to) I know that it has been said that the comics don´t give any hints and clues and the first post today had this: "that pictures were not one of the listed indicators, and, in fact, visual clues were directly discouraged. Seriously" But I can´t help to think when I look on the last one here, their talking about a "big red button" which can´t be found altough it is as big as a sofa. Not putting anymore tought in this but is like the scum is so obvious, in front of our eyes but when just can´t see it? So if Shawan "choose" to not kill on N3, who took out Craig? I don´t beleive that "I just didn´t choose to kill", it is your job, you have gotten that in the beginning and it would be totally lying to claim now that you didn´t use your "skill"... actually when somebody was expelled on that night "Craig" Maybe because I want to graduate and I only took out Sloane because she called me out from the get go? I wanted to be conservative and not expel someone every night because then Black Mesa will win.
PsyKater Posted March 28, 2013 Posted March 28, 2013 Two people still haven't answered to my pm question yet, but I dare to make it public, so we can talk about it. I consider not giving an answer as very unhelpful, even though I can understand that people don't trust me anymore after the last day and night. So here are the results of the survey: Maybe we could start a new "game"? There are 14 people left. Out of them 4-6 are scum. I provide the list with the people and you copy it and mark those red of whom you think is scum.Once again: the reason why I do this? I try to compare the answers. There is no guarantee that I can find something, but the more info we get the better. I will post the results public, once I get all answers. Putting the question out in public would be senseless IMO as there would be "bandwagons". I want to hear your own suspicions. This message goes out to every remaining player. Results Jeanie Beuller | Bobby Busch || Andrew Clark |||||| Lucy Emerson Cameron Frye |||||| Burton Guster ||| Mary Jane ||| Brian Johnson | Chuckie Miller || Davey Osborne | Adriano Parbrizzi || Allison Reynolds ||| Shawna Spencer ||||||| Claire Standish ||||| An interesting thing is that there are "groups" visible. I will highlight them in different colors: Results Jeanie Beuller | Bobby Busch || Andrew Clark |||||| (6) Lucy Emerson Cameron Frye ||||||| (7) Burton Guster |||| Mary Jane ||| Brian Johnson || Chuckie Miller ||| Davey Osborne | Adriano Parbrizzi || Allison Reynolds |||| Shawna Spencer ||||||| (7) Claire Standish ||||| (5) So there is the violet group of 8 persons, that does not believe in the old "town core" anymore and they are all suspicious of Andrew, Cameron, Shawna and Claire. Follow-ups are Burton, Allison and Chuckie and me. It may be important to say, that some of them are not after the main targets (otherwise Andrew, Cameron, Shawna and Claire would have had 8 votes each). Then there is the blue group of 4 persons, who are mainly suspicious of ... other people, Mary Jane being the main target, followed by Bobby, Shawna, Jeanie, Brian and Davey. Two people did not vote yet. What do you read from this survey? The scum is probably a group of 4-6 persons. Are they controlling the town by lynching the old town-core? Or is it the blue group that spreads their votes to not arise suspicions? Or does this whole group thing mean nothing? I will reveal later on, who belongs to which group, but let's talk about the results first. It seems that Cameron has a big target on his back as well. There is one thing, I want to add, to be more specific about the violet group. Within the violet group, there is an red group of 4 with a very similar pattern: Results Jeanie Beuller | Bobby Busch || Andrew Clark |||||| (6) Lucy Emerson Cameron Frye ||||||| (7) Burton Guster |||| Mary Jane ||| Brian Johnson || Chuckie Miller ||| Davey Osborne | Adriano Parbrizzi || Allison Reynolds |||| Shawna Spencer ||||||| (7) Claire Standish ||||| (5)
Hammerstein NWC Posted March 28, 2013 Posted March 28, 2013 I'm afraid my out of school activities had to take precedence this morning hence my late reply in this thread. I'm going to repeat my earlier statement there is a known killer on the loose so let's press that big red button. Voting pattern analysis is all well and good but I'm not sure how Day 1 is relevant when basically we all didn't know anything and just plumped for the person with the loudest voice. Day 3 we were all told that Simone was black mesa by our "investigator" so I'm more suspicious of people who didn't vote for the supposed black mesa scum. I've got my eye on certain people but I'd already answered your questions so let's just wait for the other people to arrive at school.
mostlytechnic Posted March 28, 2013 Posted March 28, 2013 Since my mind is pretty made up, I'll start things off. Vote: Shawna Spencer (Fred Daniel Yam) Reasons are obvious. She's a confessed killer and I don't believe that she's a neutral serial killer.
Hammerstein NWC Posted March 28, 2013 Posted March 28, 2013 Surely this one is a no brainer? Vote: Shawna Spencer (Fred Daniel Yam) Tomorrow is the bigger question
PsyKater Posted March 28, 2013 Posted March 28, 2013 I just got the info that Bud (the guy that we put away on Day 1) was in contact with someone before he died. Would this someone please contact me? Very appreciated.
PsyKater Posted March 28, 2013 Posted March 28, 2013 Surely this one is a no brainer? There is never a no brainer in mafia. I still try to figure out if we could take advantage from her / if it would be better to spare her one more night: There are 14 students left. 4 to 6 people are Black Mesa. Assuming there are 5 that makes 5 / 9 or 5 / 1 / 8 if there is a Neutral. So what can happen until tomorrow? (Apparently lists are my "plays") a) We lynch Shawna and she is Scum aa) Her kill action is not passed on OR the scum target is protected OR the new scum killer is blocked 4 / 9 ab) Her night action is passed on and successful 4 / 8 b) We lynch Shawna and she is Neutral (aligned with town) ba) Scumkill prohibited 5 / 0 / 9 bb) Scumkill successful 5 / 0 / 8 c) We block Shawna (Neutral) and lynch so. else ca) We lynch Scum caa) Scumkill prohibited 4 / 1 / 9 cab) Scumkill prohibited (Shawna is Scum) 4 / 9 cac) Scumkill successful 4 / 1 / 8 cb) We lynch Town again cba) Scumkill prohibited 5 / 1 / 8 cbb) Scumkill prohibited (Shawna is Scum) 5 / 8 cbc) Scumkill successful 5 / 1 / 7 So this is what one part of my brain is doing: Thinking if lynching Shawna is really the best we can do. If we block her and see that no night kill came through, then we can lynch her tomorrow. (If scum decides to go without kill that night, that's their fault, if they target the protector's target again, too.). If there is another kill that night, we know that Shawna was telling the truth and can assume that she is working with us. We had to decide then on who to lynch then and that could be really difficult. Seeing the "success" of that decision yesterday. My brain is dancing again. Talking about the other half of it will be up next. The other part of my brain is thinking about the possibility of Shawna speaking the truth. If we can be sure that Shawna is lying, then she there is no need to think about sparing her. Because she is scum then. So, two nights without kill. Two nights with Shawna being blocked. Seems simple. The blockers claim seems trustworthy as well although I do not understand why he/she did not came with that result yesterday as we were thinking about lynching someone else than Andrew. It would have make sense then. I thought of a lot of possibilites and most of them result in Shawna being Scum and not the SK. Only possibility I can think of: -------------------- Actually while writing this up, I realized it was crap as well. The theory involved two beings that would have had to be Scum because only they had the information needed. But it is flawed. Resp. it would be another ballsy move, I refuse to believe. So only SK-possibility left is that Shawna is SK and was blocked two nights. Scum targeted Protector's target for two nights. Now they are laughing at us that we are lynching our next vig. But it is getting more unlikely.
jimmynick Posted March 28, 2013 Posted March 28, 2013 Seems I'm on the bandwagon, but I think the blocker's results are good, and Shawna can't explain who expelled Craig. I think, realistically, that Shawna is the scum killer. Vote: Shawna Spencer (Fred Daniel Yam) Adriano, those results of suspicions look interesting. If you wanted, we could keep Shawna around, expel someone else and proxy-vote for Shawna's target tonight. But I wouldn't trust her to do what we want.
Esurient Posted March 28, 2013 Posted March 28, 2013 If we actually think about it, it is not possible(very low possibility) to have Town Vig (Sloane), SK (Shawna) and Scum's killer all at once. I can say I trust the Blocker's results, since Shawna confessed. Vote: Shawna Spencer (Fred Daniel Yam)
LegoDad Posted March 28, 2013 Posted March 28, 2013 Seems pretty cut and dry to me. Whether the killer is neutral or scum, they are going to kill townies. Vote : Shawna Spencer (Fred Daniel Yam)
Jedi master Brick Posted March 28, 2013 Posted March 28, 2013 Vote : Shawna Spencer (Fred Daniel Yam) My reasoning is that it is too easy for a scum to claim neutral. It has been done many times before. Also she has been flying under the radar and not contributing anything useful. Her activity has only stepped up in recent days when several accusations have gone her way. Also does any one notice how off it is that on the first day that Sloane accused her and that night she died.
Mencot Posted March 28, 2013 Posted March 28, 2013 We shouldn´t trust Shawna like others have said so: Vote : Shawna Spencer (Fred Daniel Yam) But we could choose to block her this night and vote out someone else scummy
Tamamono Posted March 28, 2013 Posted March 28, 2013 Vote : Shawna Spencer (Fred Daniel Yam) Honestly, I think she's telling the truth, but I wouldn't be surprised if she could joint with scum too. *shrug* This doesn't help us that much, but it at least eliminates a potential threat.
badboytje88 Posted March 28, 2013 Posted March 28, 2013 I too shall vote along to get rid of this dirt bag: Vote: Shawna Spencer (Fred Daniel Yam)
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