mostlytechnic Posted March 23, 2013 Posted March 23, 2013 hmmm... is that poster on the wall about paradoxes meant to teach us something?
Clanure Posted March 23, 2013 Posted March 23, 2013 I do believe those posters are important, but honestly I can't figure anything out from them. I had a nice long rest, but I'm still not sure what to do. I've talked to a few people via pm and will continue to do so but I'm not sure what information I can provide to convince them of my innocence and loyalty. I'm also not quite ready to vote yet. Revenge and hot-headedness would have me vote a certain way, but I'm just not sure it's the best course of action. I'm still going to think on it a bit.
Esurient Posted March 23, 2013 Posted March 23, 2013 hmmm... is that poster on the wall about paradoxes meant to teach us something? I do believe those posters are important, but honestly I can't figure anything out from them. I guess what Ms Dragonsworth is trying to teach us is; If you are accused (made the target) of something, 1. Stand Still (Running away means guilty as charged) 2. Remain Calm (Perfect example of not remaining calm: Bud and Simone) 3. Scream "This statement is false" (Let everyone know your opinion and why the accusation is wrong) "New mission; Refuse this mission" (Let everyone know new developments so to divert attention away from yourself) "Does a set of all sets contain itself?" (Start a circular argument that has no end; i.e. WIFOM) Hope that helps and correct me if I am wrong.
badboytje88 Posted March 23, 2013 Posted March 23, 2013 Let's not vote for Claire. She's not black mesa and we all know it. They just used her to force a lynch upon us. If we vote Claire out, black mesa was in controll of another lynch. Lynching is not ment for punishing people who were misled.
PsyKater Posted March 23, 2013 Posted March 23, 2013 I agree. I got all answers now and have my own theory about what happened last night. I want to share it with the people I trust 100% (due to the investigaton result of last night and what the interrogation have revealed) first. Thats dull for the others but the less the Black Mesa people know the better. I hope you understand.
Jedi master Brick Posted March 23, 2013 Posted March 23, 2013 Sorry, I had nap and forgot to wake up. This is a mess. It seems that Claire was misled by the person who claimed investigator to her. I do wish Adriano would share some of his results so we can vote on who to kill. The people who know the stuff we still have to vote in public or is this a ruse for the scum to get away with voting without a reason. I have no idea who to trust and that is not good, it seems the scum have done a good job on creating confusion
mostlytechnic Posted March 23, 2013 Posted March 23, 2013 I want to share it with the people I trust 100% (due to the investigaton result of last night and what the interrogation have revealed) first. Yeah, well, we know how well the last "information from the interrogator" went - so are you sure you can trust the people you think you can?
PsyKater Posted March 23, 2013 Posted March 23, 2013 Yeah, let's keep talking. Maybe another scum slips. What is YOUR current feeling/ idea? A) Claire is Scum, the investigator town. Claire was lying. B) Claire is Town, investigator scum. Inv. was lying. C) Both scum and trying to get us on the wrong path D) both town
mostlytechnic Posted March 23, 2013 Posted March 23, 2013 I did some thinking in the shower after a hard soccer practice this morning. Had some ideas, so I looked back through older posts... During Day 3 Cameron claimed to know the investigator and called him "he". Claire claimed to know the investigator, meeting them sometime day2/night2/it's unclear (poorly worded) and they decided to investigate Simone. Claire carefully never used a gender. Andrew claimed to have heard from investigator, and carefully didn't use a gender. During Day 4 Claire claims that Ricky told her Andrew is investigator. Claims that Andrew confirms this to her. Also claims John was being investigated the night before, but gives no results. Andrew says he can't confirm or deny being the investigator. Cameron says the town doctor protected Andrew in night 3 (and called the doc HER). Also claims that the doctor's protection of Andrew was successful against a kill attempt. What if.... A possible theory.... What if the scum got super super lucky and expelled BOTH the vig and investigator very early on. That would leave things wide open for someone (Andrew) to lie to multiple people and claim investigator knowledge and get people expelled. This actually fits the facts as we have them - Claire would be a misled town, Ricky was proven town, Andrew could be a lying scum. It would explain why no one solidly defended Simone when she was wrongly accused by "the investigation" - there might not be a real investigator out there! Cameron either is also misled by Andrew or is scum as well. Claire's mention of ricky can't be confirmed, but it's very possible (given how obviously inexperienced Ricky was) that Ricky was misled and used to confirm a fake investigator's lies to Claire. Personally I'm thinking about voting Andrew here... even though he's a fellow jock, soccer is the real football. That stuff he plays isn't worthy of the name. I'm currently leaning that Claire is town, Andrew and probably cameron are scum.
PsyKater Posted March 23, 2013 Posted March 23, 2013 Good theory, but how should Scum know that they killed or lynched the investigator?
mostlytechnic Posted March 23, 2013 Posted March 23, 2013 Good theory, but how should Scum know that they killed or lynched the investigator? Well, they wouldn't. But maybe it started as someone trying to mislead a few (Ricky, others?), spread to claire, and is growing since no one argued against what they said. That still fits since there was deafening silence from any investigation early in the game, so anyone claiming in private to have the role wouldn't have been argued against.
jimmynick Posted March 23, 2013 Posted March 23, 2013 Good theory, but how should Scum know that they killed or lynched the investigator? They wouldn't know at all. If Andrew as scum decided to claim cop and take control of the lynch and found nobody to disagree with him publicly (privately as well, I'm sure), then it must be great. They could conclude from that that the investigator is dead. Touching on your 4 options, I rule out A because the town investigator would have called Claire out on a lie in some context and D because someone obviously lied about Simone's allegiance. That leaves B and C, between which I cannot decide. I think it's possible that Andrew and Claire are scum but if I had to pick one it would be Andrew. I've decided that after talking to a couple of people. We have a good 36 hours to vote, so I'll leave my thoughts out for now.
Mencot Posted March 23, 2013 Posted March 23, 2013 Let's not vote for Claire. She's not black mesa and we all know it. They just used her to force a lynch upon us. If we vote Claire out, black mesa was in controll of another lynch. Lynching is not ment for punishing people who were misled. And you say this like you know this with 100 %, find that strange you know! I agree. I got all answers now and have my own theory about what happened last night. I want to share it with the people I trust 100% (due to the investigaton result of last night and what the interrogation have revealed) first. Thats dull for the others but the less the Black Mesa people know the better. I hope you understand. This gonna be intresting, but you shouldn´t be too trusting, nobody can say in this game " I trust that one with 100 %", I know I can´t Yeah, let's keep talking. Maybe another scum slips. What is YOUR current feeling/ idea? A) Claire is Scum, the investigator town. Claire was lying. B) Claire is Town, investigator scum. Inv. was lying. C) Both scum and trying to get us on the wrong path D) both town I have same go with same options as Allison, A and D are definitely out. B possible but I am leaning more on C option I did some thinking in the shower after a hard soccer practice this morning. Had some ideas, so I looked back through older posts... During Day 3 Cameron claimed to know the investigator and called him "he". Claire claimed to know the investigator, meeting them sometime day2/night2/it's unclear (poorly worded) and they decided to investigate Simone. Claire carefully never used a gender. Andrew claimed to have heard from investigator, and carefully didn't use a gender. During Day 4 Claire claims that Ricky told her Andrew is investigator. Claims that Andrew confirms this to her. Also claims John was being investigated the night before, but gives no results. Andrew says he can't confirm or deny being the investigator. Cameron says the town doctor protected Andrew in night 3 (and called the doc HER). Also claims that the doctor's protection of Andrew was successful against a kill attempt. What if.... A possible theory.... What if the scum got super super lucky and expelled BOTH the vig and investigator very early on. That would leave things wide open for someone (Andrew) to lie to multiple people and claim investigator knowledge and get people expelled. This actually fits the facts as we have them - Claire would be a misled town, Ricky was proven town, Andrew could be a lying scum. It would explain why no one solidly defended Simone when she was wrongly accused by "the investigation" - there might not be a real investigator out there! Cameron either is also misled by Andrew or is scum as well. Claire's mention of ricky can't be confirmed, but it's very possible (given how obviously inexperienced Ricky was) that Ricky was misled and used to confirm a fake investigator's lies to Claire. Personally I'm thinking about voting Andrew here... even though he's a fellow jock, soccer is the real football. That stuff he plays isn't worthy of the name. I'm currently leaning that Claire is town, Andrew and probably cameron are scum. Also find this some good thinking and a good theory cause it could be definitely be true. "Andrew and probably cameron are scum", I have the same feeling, but I have the feeling that Claire is also but she maybe be just a puppet also So list of possible scum, without making no quick solutions Andrew Cameron (Claire, Jeanie)?
Tamamono Posted March 23, 2013 Posted March 23, 2013 Honestly, I still don't know what to do. Is a framer too advanced for a school like this? Am I giving two scum a free pass to the conclusion? If there's a town blocker out there, please share who you blocked with me. Everything would add up so much better if we could just discount the doc save.
mostlytechnic Posted March 23, 2013 Posted March 23, 2013 Honestly, I still don't know what to do. Is a framer too advanced for a school like this? Am I giving two scum a free pass to the conclusion? If there's a town blocker out there, please share who you blocked with me. Everything would add up so much better if we could just discount the doc save. Really? When several of us are seriously questioning if you're scum, you expect someone to reveal their role to you? You gotta be trusted for that! AND, Cameron, you already claimed to know about who the doctor protected - now you want to know about other roles too?
PsyKater Posted March 23, 2013 Posted March 23, 2013 Yeah the blocker result is the only thing that can get us further. I will share my info and thoughts as well. But they suck as I cant make anything out of them. The claimed investigator targeted Ricky and Simone. Ricky was clear town. For Simone they got the result we know: the Black Mesa Infiltration Guide. It was interpreted that Simone was BM but she was town. I have the following theories: A) Investigator is Scum and the results are made up. The investigator insists on these results. Claire can both be scum and town, we can't know from that as she is just repeating what the investogator told her. We have to lynch the claimed investigator. B) Investigator is town and the result is correct but misinterpreted. We understood that it is an infiltration guide of Black Mesa (on how to infiltrate the Aperture Academy). But it could be understood that it is a guide on how to infiltrate Black Mesa. This would make sense since we know that Simone was town. The result could be a hint for her role then. She claimed watcher. A watcher can target a person to see if this person gets targetted that night. I have no idea how the result would fit with her role. So Ba) Simone wasn't the watcher. Bb) The result is fake. Bc) The result is bad wording. Bd) Something I cant think of. Intentionally I tend to B) but while writing this, doubts arise. (As the result does not fit to her roleclaim and the investigator normally does not look for roles but for allegiances). I'd love to see the blocker results but it is really hard to trust anyone in this game. The inv. result of N3 was town, but can we trust the inv? Alternatives: A) lynch the claimed investigator Aa) he is town -> we are screwed Ab) he is scum -> n3 result probably as well B) lynch Claire or Cameron -> we have no clue why or whom we should expel. And I doubt that we can make something out of it. One more thing: If Inv is telling the truth and we dont lynch him he will be targetted by scum next night. Since we apparently dont have a watcher anymore, the scum isnt in danger. Therefor the protector has to protect the inv. If the scum has a tracker we are screwed as we will lose both power roles after that. Many ifs but one more piece to the puzzle / one more reason to lynch the claimed investigator. Please think and talk, all of you! We have to make tough decisions and I dont want to see another bandwagon, the scum can hide in.
Tamamono Posted March 23, 2013 Posted March 23, 2013 Really? When several of us are seriously questioning if you're scum, you expect someone to reveal their role to you? You gotta be trusted for that! AND, Cameron, you already claimed to know about who the doctor protected - now you want to know about other roles too? Yeah, I do. The doctor would be 100% dead if I were scum, and there was no kill last night, so either A. blocker blocked, or B. doctor saved. Your suspicion of me is understandable, but largely baseless. I mean like seriously if the blocker got a successful block in then that takes away so much of why Andrew is town.
Fred Daniel Yam Posted March 23, 2013 Posted March 23, 2013 What is YOUR current feeling/ idea? A) Claire is Scum, the investigator town. Claire was lying. B) Claire is Town, investigator scum. Inv. was lying. C) Both scum and trying to get us on the wrong path D) both town I don't think A) would be the correct answer because Claire openly told us that we have her permission to lynch her if things went pear-shaped. D) sounds unlikely because she had to have gotten the information somewhere to get the lynch going. I think either B) or C) and I'm leaning towards B) because Claire was so confident in the lynch on Simone, so I think she genuinely believed her intel.
Purpearljellyblob Posted March 23, 2013 Posted March 23, 2013 I agree. I got all answers now and have my own theory about what happened last night. I want to share it with the people I trust 100% (due to the investigaton result of last night and what the interrogation have revealed) first. Thats dull for the others but the less the Black Mesa people know the better. I hope you understand. Yeah, well, we know how well the last "information from the interrogator" went - so are you sure you can trust the people you think you can? Let's not vote for Claire. She's not black mesa and we all know it. They just used her to force a lynch upon us. If we vote Claire out, black mesa was in controll of another lynch. Lynching is not ment for punishing people who were misled. Right now, You cannot be 100% sure who to trust at this time ever since Simone was revealed to be Town. The people you reveal talk to via pm could very well be Black Mesa trying to turn Town against Town. Only the Black Mesa knows who to trust 100% since they know who's Scum and who's not. I do not wish Adriano to be the next Claire being made used of. Yeah, let's keep talking. Maybe another scum slips. What is YOUR current feeling/ idea? A) Claire is Scum, the investigator town. Claire was lying. B) Claire is Town, investigator scum. Inv. was lying. C) Both scum and trying to get us on the wrong path D) both town Right now, I am thinking more than just Claire (Town/Scum) and Andrew (Town/Scum). I am thinking D. That this is more than what it seems to be. Perhaps someone they contacted in their group must be a scum, slowly turning their group inside out. Craig was part of the Claire and CO. group before he died. Why did Craig die? Who else is in that group? How about Cameron? Cameron seemed unusually calm as compared to Claire and Andrew who are obviously lying low and possibly shaking their boots right now. How about Shawna? Adriano was suspicious of you at the start of the day, now he seemed to drop the chase on you. I secretly like to burn things. Why do you like to play with fire? 2. The doctor says she got a result of "success" that she'd not seen before. This implies that Andrew was saved. If the doctor protects someone who is not targeted, the results would still show as successful regardless. To make it simple: Success Scum -- kill --> Person A <-- protects -- Doctor Success Doctor -- protects --> Person A
Fred Daniel Yam Posted March 23, 2013 Posted March 23, 2013 How about Shawna? Adriano was suspicious of you at the start of the day, now he seemed to drop the chase on you. Why do you like to play with fire? Sheesh, it was just a joke..... And I have been talking privately and answering walls of questions so that's the reason why Adriano dropped my case.
Clanure Posted March 24, 2013 Posted March 24, 2013 I honestly don't know where to go from here? I've provided what information I could to those that have asked, but I have a feeling I won't be around much longer. I have no real feel towards anyone, except for the one who has wronged me. Perhaps we were both wrong about Simone (and therefore made a huge mistake), but to be thrown under the bus so easily doesn't sit well with me.
PsyKater Posted March 24, 2013 Posted March 24, 2013 If you are town then fight for it! Convince us not to lynch you. I laid out my thoughts above pretty well, so what do you say about this. What are your theories? Why is this all messed up. Was your result made up? Are you Black Mesa? If the doctor protects someone who is not targeted, the results would still show as successful regardless. To make it simple: Success Scum -- kill --> Person A <-- protects -- Doctor Success Doctor -- protects --> Person A Cameron claims the opposite. He says: Night 2: Doctor -- protects Person A Night 3: Doctor -- protects Person A -- result: Successful But this makes me think: Cameron. If you claim that the doctor was successful in protecting Andrew what he wasn't before. Why do you still want the blocker results so badly? They are pretty useless then, aren't they?
Tamamono Posted March 24, 2013 Posted March 24, 2013 See, it's reactions like that that make me think Andrew is town (in addition to the doc save). Honestly, I don't know who to lynch. I'm tempted to let it go to a no lynch, really. Thoughts? If you are town then fight for it! Convince us not to lynch you. I laid out my thoughts above pretty well, so what do you say about this. What are your theories? Why is this all messed up. Was your result made up? Are you Black Mesa? Cameron claims the opposite. He says: Night 2: Doctor -- protects Person A Night 3: Doctor -- protects Person A -- result: Successful But this makes me think: Cameron. If you claim that the doctor was successful in protecting Andrew what he wasn't before. Why do you still want the blocker results so badly? They are pretty useless then, aren't they? Actually, the doctor didn't get her action in on Night 2, so it may very well be that the Success comes every night.
Clanure Posted March 24, 2013 Posted March 24, 2013 If you are town then fight for it! Convince us not to lynch you. I laid out my thoughts above pretty well, so what do you say about this. What are your theories? Why is this all messed up. Was your result made up? Are you Black Mesa? And how do you suggest I do this? I have given what information I have. I don't have anything else to offer. Besides, would what I have to say really matter? I guess I could try and play on your suspicions of others and give you someone to chase, but I won't do that. If I had a good read on anybody, I would offer what information I had to everyone. You know (as well as everyone else) who I am suspicious of and my reason for it. But honestly even that reason is more personal in nature and if you don't believe me on the rest of it, why would you believe me on that or agree with my reasoning?
Hammerstein NWC Posted March 24, 2013 Posted March 24, 2013 I've read pages and pages of conjecture, it's just confused me more. Bottom line is when we went to vote yesterday we pretty much said that if things went south either Claire or her source would go under the school bus.... No-one seems to be brave enough to put their head above the parapet. I'm going to cast my vote unless someone convinces me otherwise. I don't think Claire is scum, she has been as forthright as she can be and offered herself up for lynching yesterday if she was proved wrong. rereading her post I'm convinced she acted in good faith. If sh is black Mesa then that must be a move of unprecedented ballsy-ness! It seems to me that she's been lied to. .she has told us that Andrew is the investigator, I'm not sure if he is scum or whether he has somehow misinterpreted information. Whatever the case no-one has given me an cause to vote for anyone other than these two. I 'm hoping my vote will start the ball rolling and at least focus us on the job in hand. We are talking round in circles and everyone seems to have a reasonable theory, but that's all they are. I think it was previously Cameron (Tammano) who Sid that the lynch was the towns greatest weapon. I've sat back and tried to listen to everyone else talking but now I think it's time for some action, If I'm honest I have distrusted Claire's loudness and brashness from the start but I've been wrong three for three in the voting so far hence I'm going to go out on a limb and say she has been misled by Andrew. Vote: Andrew Clark (Clanure) (On mobile device if my vote isn't bold I will rectify shortly (without edit) Blinking mobile devices... Vote: Andrew Clark (Clanure) Someone convince me this is the wrong move? Claire what do you think? I'm open to being convinced this isn't the right thing to do but we need action!
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