Torso with and without crossbelt

[Governor Broadside]

I was looking at this torso

and the minifigs that have the torso

http://www.bricklink.com/catalogItemIn.asp...p3cc01&v=1&in=M

and noticed that one of them does not have the crossbelt like the others (also that the strings on the shirt across the chest are black in one and white on the other)

*Edit* image with no crossbelt has been replaced

Have any of you come across this torso without the crossbelt?

[Mister Phes]

How interesting! I don't recall seeing this torso without a cross strap before and I have 20 different mini-figures that have this torso. So we may wonder if this torso is legitimate or has it been digitally altered?

[jamtf]

I have not that many and have not checked but this could be either a pre-production torso, a misprint from Lego itself or a digitally altered image. If it is a pre-pro or genuine misprint, this should be a rare shirt.

[Jemppu]

Interesting indeed. The second image could well be altered digitally. See the little black 'strike' under the collar at the edge of the vest, where the crossbelt 'should' be? Also there could be a tii-iny bit of white overlap on the belt there at the opposite side.

Also, the cross belt is in the picture of the Pirate Ambush box (where BL shows, this fig should come from).

Funny :/ If it is altered (by TLC themselves or especially if by someone else) was there some point in it?

P.S. This fig's torso also has the white shirt strings, which would make all the three similar looking figs have slightly different torsos :/

[Bonaparte]

That's strange indeed, on the Pirate Ambush box (on BL), this fig is show with the belt.

Check this ...

Does anyone own this set so he can check what figs are in it?

The torso's are both in the pirate torso library under the "official pirates".

Maybe after this discussion I might have to move one to the "custom" section :-).

[Governor Broadside]

I hadn't noticed that third type that you mentioned Jemppu. 8-

[Mister Phes]

That's strange indeed, on the Pirate Ambush box (on BL), this fig is show with the belt.

Does anyone own this set so he can check what figs are in it?

Aye, I own that set sir! And to confirm, mine does have have a belt.

[Norro]

I noticed this on BL but couldn't afford one of the beltless ones anyway... then forgot about it X-D . I'm pretty sure I've seen one in a castle MOC so I doubt it's a fake...

God Bless,

Nathan

[Mister Phes]

Where does this torso originate from then?

It can't be from a pirate set because if you look a the Pirates page on LegoFigs.com you'll notice that this torso isn't there. So I ask, WHERE!!! Oh where does it come from?

[Brick Miner]

I hadn't noticed that third type that you mentioned Jemppu. 8-

[El Bucanero]

I have got one with black strings and one with white strings, but they both got the black belt....I think it is customized or digitaly changed...

[Mister Phes]

it seems that the torsos with the solid black strings are from the legends re-release RBR. all the others (white strings) are the original 1996-97 line. the western line has similar discrepancies between the original and the legends versions.

What would cause these discrepancies? Were they intentional?

id bet that the one without crossbelt if an alterned image. if you look at the inventory of that crossbelt-less pirate, you'll see his inventory suggests that he is made of a torso WITH crossbelt. that crossbelt-less torso is not in the BL inventory.

That's my suspicision as well...

if i get time, i'll ask BrickLink, cause this is really interesting 8-

[Brick Miner]

What would cause these discrepancies? Were they intentional?

if you look at my signature you can see one of the descrepancies... the beard on the soldier to the far left is less dense than the others... well, he is the re-issue.

it seems that all the soldiers from the legends have more define and less dense beards... the printing seems "better". although i prefer the look of the original versions ;-)

i didn't notice the inconsistancy in my photo until after my background editing was done, or i would have switched the fig so that they all looked the same |-/

- Brick Miner

[Mister Phes]

Is the printing "better" or perhaps "stingy"?

It depends in what way it is "better" - is the design crisper and clearer?

And I think I shall mention now that I can even tell any difference between the beards on the brown haired mini-figures.

[Brick Miner]

It depends in what way it is "better" - is the design crisper and clearer?

by "better" i meant the boarders of the shapes and elements are more define, the colors don't "bleed" outside their boundaries.

the re-released calvary have this "better" quality... though i prefer the more "sloppy" printing of the old ones. but its probaby just what im used to seeing... so it seems more classic to me ;-)

- BrickMiner

[Mister Phes]

By the way Bricker Miner... Have you contacted BrickLink yet to enquire about the autheniticity of that image?

I would have done it, but I didn't want to steal your idea from you...

[Brick Miner]

By the way Bricker Miner... Have you contacted BrickLink yet to enquire about the autheniticity of that image?

i sent this message...

the photo of pirate minifig (#pi048) appears to have a torso that is different from the one listed in the minifig's inventory... his torso shows no crossbelt, however, the inventory lists he is composed of a torso with a crossbelt.

this has been an issue we have been discussing over at eurobricks.com. you may want to check that out, as there are several photos (taken from bricklink) to show this inconsistancy side-by-side.

http://eurobricks.hosting.ipsyn.com/eurofo...?showtopic=6581

we suspect that the image of the whole fig (without crossbelt) may have been altered. is there any way to check its authenticity ???

and if the minifig photo (without crossbelt) is authentic, an inventory change needs to be made reflecing this cross-belt-less pirate torso.

any insight into this mystery would be appriciated !!!

thanks much - XXXXX

i got a response about my GITD color change question pretty fast... but didn't recieve a resolution for a while. i suspect BL will be able to help us ;-)

- BrickMiner

[Mister Phes]

Is the "XXXXX" suppose to represent kisses? :-D

i got a response about my GITD color change question pretty fast... but didn't recieve a resolution for a while. i suspect BL will be able to help us

If BrickLink doesn't help us then what are our other options?

[Scouty]

Perhaps he wants to anominous?(SP??) If BL doesn't help then LEGO will! After about a year of waiting then getting a mail that doesn't answer our question and talks about something totally different. :-D .

[Brick Miner]

Is the "XXXXX" suppose to represent kisses? :-D

:-D :-D :-D

If BrickLink doesn't help us then what are our other options?

well, BL is the only source for that image, currently... so i doubt there is another option.

i'll respond to this thread, once i hear something - BrickMiner

[Scouty]

What about Peeron?

[Brick Miner]

i go this message from BL today...

Hi XXXX,

Thanks for bringing this to our attention. We have changed the image to show

the fig with the crossbelt. (For anyone who comes in late to the Eurobricks

thread it may be confusing because now the linked image shows the belt.)

As for the original image, we have no reason to doubt its authenticity. The

submitter has contributed thousands of images to BrickLink over the years and

until very recently his contributions were second in number only to those of

BrickLink's Admin. Minifigs are his passion and I highly doubt he would ever

alter an image like that. I suspect he had a variation or, more likely, a

misprinted torso. I have saved his image in case anyone else comes up with the

non-belted one and it turns out it is indeed a legitimate variant. If that

occurs we will add the variant figure as well as torso to the BL catalog.

Again, thanks for pointing this out to us and directing us to the topic in the

Eurobricks forum!

Maggie C.

BL Catalog Admin

very nice people over there...

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What about Peeron?

i never use the site, and thus, am not familar with its navagation... so i'll leave that one up to you IS X-D

- BrickMiner

[Mister Phes]

Excellent work Brick Miner for contacting BrickLink and excellent work Governor Broadside for observing the torso in the first place!

The submitter has contributed thousands of images to BrickLink over the years and

until very recently his contributions were second in number only to those of

BrickLink's Admin. Minifigs are his passion and I highly doubt he would ever

alter an image like that. I suspect he had a variation or, more likely, a

misprinted torso.

It would be interesting to contact this person and find out if he still possesses that mini-figure to see what else we could discover.

[Brick Miner]

Excellent work Brick Miner for contacting BrickLink and excellent work Governor Broadside for observing the torso in the first place!

It would be interesting to contact this person and find out if he still possesses that mini-figure to see what else we could discover.

ya, that is about the only thing else i could think of... however, BL lists credits for inventorying sets and figs, but not for harvested images (at least that im aware of). so the contact information might be hard to come by.

- BrickMiner

[Mister Phes]

And I don't suppose Brick Link would be obliged to submit information like that. However, there may be a way we can get him to contact us...