Red guards and blue guards battle it out

[Evil Willy]

This is a little scene I made with the all my Gaurd MF's. Not much, no decor just on my pool table. It looked rather cool though.

Overview

Another

The blue coats

Reds(My favorite)

Red filling cannons

Blues chilling(Dont ask me why its big..) Hmm you can also see my Carribean clipper with custom sails from me :-D

All the reds

The blues

And finally both Admirals batteling it out(Once again...Big?)

Red coats win (Of course!)

Well hehe its not much but I though i'de share.

[Mister Phes]

Are we waiting for a background to be digitally inserted?

[Graynar]

Nice battle scene.

I was wondering if TLC's blue coats and Red coats were part of the same team. AKA the Imperial guards.

I always thought they were opposing forces though...

[Mister Phes]

Well Mr Graynar the topic of whether Blue and Red Coat are on the same side is a continuing debate. Some say they're both British - the red are the marines and the blue is navy, while others say red is British and blue is French. But back in the good old days of "Just imagine..." they can be on whatever side you want!

[Scnicker]

Nice battle :-). I'd go with Red for British and blue for French. It adds more variety to the Lego Pirate World and of course is more realistic.

[Mister Phes]

I lean more towards blue and red are both British, which is also very realistic because that's exactly how it was in the 17th century. There's a thread with photographic images of the British blue and red uniforms as well as the French blue uniform so you can compare the difference. The French uniform is quite different to the British blue coat and I think the British blue coat torso resembles the real British naval uniform, more than it does the French.

The other reason I also lean towards this thinking as it gives an opporunity to create a custom French uniform torso to give even more variety to our Pirate LEGO mini-figure world.

[Dreamweb]

Once I came up with an idea that if someone had a lot of Admiral Woodhouses and Governor Broadsides, he could make even four different armies: stantard bluecoats, standard redcoats, bluecoats wearing Broadisde's jackets and redcoats wearing Woodhouse's jackets. One of the possible ways to do it is to use standard bluecoats as the British and Broadside bluecoats as the French...

[Scnicker]

Nice information there, but there are some purists around here (you can call me one if you want)that would prefer using the existing Lego pieces to have French + British instead of customizing them. Think about the old times when printers and PCs weren't common. What were kids supposed to do :-P?

[xwingyoda]

Its an interesting MF display there, but it lacks seriously Lego material such as baseplates, trees (and what have you !!).

Also I shall edit your title to get rid of the typo ;-)

*yoda*

[Mister Phes]

Once I came up with an idea that if someone had a lot of Admiral Woodhouses and Governor Broadsides, he could make even four different armies: standard bluecoats, standard redcoats, bluecoats wearing Broadisde's jackets and redcoats wearing Woodhouse's jackets. One of the possible ways to do it is to use standard bluecoats as the British and Broadside bluecoats as the French...

Did you actually take this idea anywhere or is that all that it was - an idea?

Nice information there, but there are some purists around here (you can call me one if you want)that would prefer using the existing Lego pieces to have French + British instead of customizing them. Think about the old times when printers and PCs weren't common. What were kids supposed to do :-P?

What do you mean by purists? The LEGO Company never identified the nationalities of either the red or blue coats so therefore there is no wrong or write answer. But who cares what we had as kids 15 years ago! We live in an age where we have printers and computers and it is possible to make custom torsos with ease. Now and the future is what matters, not what we didn't have in the past! Although, there was nothing to stop kiddies with talent from doing it by hand. Even now handcraft is still a plausible alternative to computer design, so really, those who really want to achieve the result can do without computers...

[Evil Willy]

Well Like I said I was just playing around and didnt bother with trees etc...I could have. Ohh well. Well I succeeded in one thing with this thread. Starting a conversation! Which is rather interesting. Although I believe you mister phes that the blue coats are probabley also british. I like the french english idea so I use it. :-D

[Mister Phes]

You'll probably find Evil Willy the majority of conversations are helped along by posts which stimulate then (do I sound arrogant? Oh, I hope so!). I am hoping that more and more users will follow my example and then I won't have to do so much work! But conversations don't work well with one person doing all the posting so it takes at least two users to carry them along, which I give thanks to you for doing!

So we like this French blue/ English Red scenario, but WHAT IF The LEGO Company by some miracle released a new SYSTEM Pirate LEGO theme, with a specified French sub-theme. Then what would become of the current blue coats? Would they remain French or become British Navy?

[Evil Willy]

I believe IMHO that unless those new LEGO pirate sets were absolutley amazing...And french army looked better than blue coats then yes it would be great. British sailors, french sailors, and of course the Spanish Armada. But if they were a bit kidish with bug hull pieces and one piece masts with cardboard sails...Then my good old blue coats would stay.

[Mister Phes]

So Evil Willy, you're saying if "those new LEGO pirate sets were absolutley amazing" you would reclassify your traditional bluecoat mini-figures as British, and consider the newer figures to be French as intended by The LEGO Company?

But what if the sets are fantastic and the mini-figures are horrible?

[Dreamweb]

Did you actually take this idea anywhere or is that all that it was - an idea?

Actually I came up with it while thinking about ways to create more different factions in my pirate collection. However as I only have 2 Woodhouse torsos and 3 Broadside torsos, there was no use of trying it. Maybe one day...

[Mister Phes]

Have you ever tried creating custom existing torsos? This way you could have as many Broadside and Woodhouse torsos as your resources allowed. Bare in mind these toros are somewhat rare and therefore can be expensive and harder to find, so perhaps creating your own is the only to amass a sufficient amount.

[Evil Willy]

I have to say that im somewhat of LEGO purist and find stickers (Decals) look ugly. So thats a big no no for me.

[Mister Phes]

I have to say that im somewhat of LEGO purist and find stickers (Decals) look ugly. So thats a big no no for me.

Yes, you have a good point there but some people can create custom torso designs that actually look good. We've seen some on Eurobrick in the past, like Imperial John for example, he created Imperial Guard torsos so well that nobody could tell that they weren't real. Obviously, I can't say whether or not they looked authentic in the real world but they did the job nicely in the images he shared.

And finally both Admirals batteling it out(Once again...Big?)

This picture reminded me of an unreleased picture of mine:

[Evil Willy]

Nice, very nice indeed! You know if you can mister phes it would be great you edit some of the pictures I posted to make it look like a real battle. :-D

[Norro]

This picture reminded me of an unreleased picture of mine:

What happened to your leg Phes? ;-)

On the original pics: Evil Willy call me an old fashioned purist but it's not really a MOC without something being built. A fig display is nice (and we all have fun playing with them) but Lego really comes into its own when you build a setting/background....

On the French/Brit debate: I have never liked extrapolating real history into Lego... all my lego themes reside in my own 'universe'. My castles are not necessarily accurate or based on a middle age structure but rather my lego castle world... my pirates, by extension, have two rival teams of soldiers (blue/red) who represent two empires, though not the french and british.

Venturing into the 'what did leog have in mind' debate: I think it is very significant that the blue soldiers came first... If they had begun with red (obviously more famousand british) than a following blue line would seem french. But the Lego order supports more continuity (all british...) in my mind anyway...

God Bless,

Nathan

[Mister Phes]

What happened to your leg Phes? ;-)

That must have been where I got caught in the rabbit trap and forgot to change my lower torso. Ooops!

On the French/Brit debate: I have never liked extrapolating real history into Lego... all my lego themes reside in my own 'universe'. My castles are not necessarily accurate or based on a middle age structure but rather my lego castle world... my pirates, by extension, have two rival teams of soldiers (blue/red) who represent two empires, though not the french and british.

Venturing into the 'what did leog have in mind' debate: I think it is very significant that the blue soldiers came first... If they had begun with red (obviously more famousand british) than a following blue line would seem french. But the Lego order supports more continuity (all british...) in my mind anyway...

I've wrote it many times (including in this thread) and I'll write it again (just because I like writing it), Pirate LEGO hit the stores in the day when the slogan was "Just Imagine..." so therefore the Imperial Guard mini-figures can be whatever nationality you want to imagine! Anyone tired of me posting that yet?

[Norro]

I've wrote it many times (including in this thread) and I'll write it again (just because I like writing it), Pirate LEGO hit the stores in the day when the slogan was "Just Imagine..." so therefore the Imperial Guard mini-figures can be whatever nationality you want to imagine! Anyone tired of me posting that yet?

I would agree totally, although many old sets were also more historically accurate as a sort of nod to more interested consumers...

God Bless,

Nathan

[Evil Willy]

Norro you say this isnt a MOC, but I never stated it was...I said red gaurds and blue gaurds battle it out. Not Battle MOC. So really I know this isnt a MOC.

[Dreamweb]

Have you ever tried creating custom existing torsos? This way you could have as many Broadside and Woodhouse torsos as your resources allowed. Bare in mind these toros are somewhat rare and therefore can be expensive and harder to find, so perhaps creating your own is the only to amass a sufficient amount.

Yes, however I think that if I were to make custom torsos, it would be better to make completely new and original torsos (or perhaps use new torsos made by someone else, like those made by mister Anthony Sava that we've been shown lately - courtesy of mister JoshW) rather than try to falsify something that Lego had made before. I think they wouldn't look as good as real Broadside's torso anyway, so it'd be better to make something that Lego never produced and therefore cannot be compared to the original, not to mention that it'd result in greater diversity. So if I make custom torsos one day, they won't be replicas of actual torsos, they will be completely new torsos or torsos looking like the original ones but in different colours (like some of those made by Mr Sava).

[Mister Phes]

Imperial John managed to produce some very nicely done Imperial Guard torsos and nobody could tell they weren't authentic in the images. Silly me can't remember if I've already posted that in this thread or not, I know I posted it somewhere yesterday but I've completely forgotten where! I could go and look I suppose but I just can't be bothered.

Anyway Mr Dreamweb, have you seen Imperial John's thread, Men of the Imperial Order?