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[sam89]

Why has God made the entire Universe then, if he was only going to put life on Earth?

And how do you explain that the Bible says the earth is just 4000 years old, when it is infact billions of years old?

[ApophisV]

Guys, to avoid any flaming I would like to ask you to stay on a objective level within this discussion, okay? ;)

[crispen]

well sam89, good Question! but i will answer it!

The methods used to date the earth are not the right way to. they are not done correctly (for more information PM me). they over date the earth, and they ( scientists) dont want to make everyone beleive in God. they want to maintain that beleif. and also , We dont know why exactly he made the other planets, but he was around before he created us. We will just have to wiat till judgement day. When everyone gets judged whether they will get to go to heaven, or hell. And you cannot get to heaven by doing good stuff. the Bible states that "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" and John 3:16 " for god so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever beleives in him shall not perish but have everlasting ( get to live in heaven forever) life." and like i said please PM me with any more Questions. ~crispen

[sam89]

Thanks for the reply, but like Apo said, I think we should stick to the original subject now.

I do believe that there are other forms of life somewhere in the universe, although I'm not sure whether they have visited Earth or not.

[crispen]

okay now back to the original subject! ( to bad tohugh, this was a big topic starter) ~crispen

[snefroe]

well i would have to say that it will never happen. they will never find a life form ( one that walks, talks *if it can* breathes) and also, there is no gold in china! just look it up. ~crispen

edit: also it wouldent affect my beleifs. and just think. if anything you see think abnout it. if there was no creator, who would of made it? thats the exact point im trying to get to. and also, gravity doesnt just happen. Someone has to create the force. the whole thing. it may be hard to beleive God created it all from nothing but God is all powerfull. no one created God. no one can understand that, becuase of our human minds. we cant understand it. just think about it. why are we here? what for? how did this even happen? we coild of never been created. but God decided to make Us to worship him alone. Now, i could perfectly say that almost all of us have worshipped an idol. How? becuase if you spend more time reading, watching, talking, ect. than time with God (praying, reading the Bible ect.) than that can become an idol in your life. even i have sometimes made an idol out of something, like say Legos. o play with them ALOT, but i try to spend time with God every day to. If you have any comments, or questions either PM me or post them here. please consider this all for a moment. ~crispen

try not to see every object in terms of a creator or a purpose behind it. a tree doesn't grow on a certain spot because a god wants it too, it just grows there because conditions are good, that's all... the process of growing also doesn't involve a creator, it's just a huge collection of processes, cells, ... working together, leading to new cells, new offspring...

I don't think Newton wrote something like: "Larger objects in space have a larger magnetic field, why? Because God says so!" gravity doesn't work like that...

There is no reason for why we're here, even human beings are just the result of natural processes, we're just part of this huge global system... It's up to you to decide what the purpose of your life is. To some it's only to have a great time and to have fun, others feel they have to change society for the better,... whatever, that's up to you, not to any creator... by living the way you want to, you're giving purpose or reason to your life... that's it... sorry if that disappoints you...

[SuvieD]

Okay, Crispen and DV please don't feed a troll. For that is were this conversation will go if people are not careful. Right now it is a cute little troll but it will get ugly in here fast.

To answer Crispen I am indeed a christian. Be careful what you say about what is and what isn't. Absolute knowledge is not obtainable by a man.

The topic is about alien life, life outside of earth. Let's keep it as close to that as possible. Religion is not a good topic to discuss in a heated way.

Science can not prove the existance of a higher being yet. It may one day though it may not. Science can not count the stars, the planets revolving around them, nor can it support the theory of life on them. Physical life outside of earth is not mentioned, though that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. The Bible makes no mention or cocaine addiction either but that is not a good thing to get involved in, now is it? Aliens of some or many kinds may exist. We don't know. Long distance space travel is still only a dream in the realm of science. Even if a ship could be created to travel the speed of light it is most likely too far to anything that would have life on it for us to travel to in a lifetime.

Just to give people something to think about not to fan any flame I will give two examples in support of a christian view point.

1. An afol decide he is going to build a castle. He is a smart builder and decides to start with a detailed plan before he begins building. He plans out every detail and then begins building. First he lays the foundation, then he begins adding the details and when he is done with the building he begins to add the water in the hole he made for it, places bones in the caves under it, adds trees and plantlife to the ground and finally when he is finished with all this he places minifigures to populate it. Can we not assume then that if a builder so carefully planned and built this little castle LEGO world, that if there is a creator who is more intelligent and a better designer, planner, and creator that it is possible he added even the smallest of detials to his MOC that would awe and amaze people when they discover them?

2. A brilliant man mathematically discovers how to fully assemble the pieces of a car by dropping it off a cliff in an exact positions and at exact times. He takes all of the parts with him to the top of the cliff and sets them up perfectly. He then walks away and goes to the cliff base next to where the car will land. With a press of a button he watches the parts fall into place one by one. Slowly they form the car and each piece falls perfectly into place. The last part falls into place and it forms a perfect car with the keys falling into the open window to start it up. Click. Now who charges the battery?

Even if the conditions were right even if everything lined up for even the smallest 1 celled organizm to begin life, who kick starts that engine? Then to think that one cell could have evolved into some millions of different species ranging from jellyfish to elephants, that I can not believe. What is really interesting is that man has attempted to start life. The have succeeded in creating living organisms yet they had to start the living process. Even with planned, controlled, nearly perfect natural environmental scientific paramiters life would not start until man gave it a start. It takes a creator to start it all reguardless of the involvement after that point.

[sam89]

Just to give people something to think about not to fan any flame I will give two examples in support of a christian view point.

1. An afol decide he is going to build a castle. He is a smart builder and decides to start with a detailed plan before he begins building. He plans out every detail and then begins building. First he lays the foundation, then he begins adding the details and when he is done with the building he begins to add the water in the hole he made for it, places bones in the caves under it, adds trees and plantlife to the ground and finally when he is finished with all this he places minifigures to populate it. Can we not assume then that if a builder so carefully planned and built this little castle LEGO world, that if there is a creator who is more intelligent and a better designer, planner, and creator that it is possible he added even the smallest of detials to his MOC that would awe and amaze people when they discover them?

I don't understand this view point. Sure it's possible, but it's like me saying "Isn't it possible that the Giant Spaghetti Monster created everything?". It doesn't prove anything.

2. A brilliant man mathematically discovers how to fully assemble the pieces of a car by dropping it off a cliff in an exact positions and at exact times. He takes all of the parts with him to the top of the cliff and sets them up perfectly. He then walks away and goes to the cliff base next to where the car will land. With a press of a button he watches the parts fall into place one by one. Slowly they form the car and each piece falls perfectly into place. The last part falls into place and it forms a perfect car with the keys falling into the open window to start it up. Click. Now who charges the battery?

Even if the conditions were right even if everything lined up for even the smallest 1 celled organizm to begin life, who kick starts that engine? Then to think that one cell could have evolved into some millions of different species ranging from jellyfish to elephants, that I can not believe. What is really interesting is that man has attempted to start life. The have succeeded in creating living organisms yet they had to start the living process. Even with planned, controlled, nearly perfect natural environmental scientific paramiters life would not start until man gave it a start. It takes a creator to start it all reguardless of the involvement after that point.

Even if the conditions were right even if everything lined up for even the smallest 1 celled organizm to begin life, who kick starts that engine?

As I've said before, if there needs to be a man to give life a start, what was there to give the man a start? This doesn't solve the problem of how life started, it just answers it with another question.

Then to think that one cell could have evolved into some millions of different species ranging from jellyfish to elephants, that I can not believe. What is really interesting is that man has attempted to start life. The have succeeded in creating living organisms yet they had to start the living process. Even with planned, controlled, nearly perfect natural environmental scientific paramiters life would not start until man gave it a start. It takes a creator to start it all reguardless of the involvement after that point.

I know that the idea that one cell evolved into millions of species is hard to believe, but why is it easier to believe that there is a God that created everything? If anything, the idea that there's a big man floating in the sky who designs everything sounds even sillier.

[JINZONINGEN73]

I wish that attention (and funds) would be taken off Mars and instead aimed at the moon called Titan.

It seems a bit promising that life, at least in some form, is there. The environment's surely there.

However... if you suspend your disbelief a moment... there might already be proof hidden away about Mars:

http://rense.com/general68/nasaisnt.htm

Apparently, NASA's dicking around with the real color of Mars, even to the point of ignoring the fact they've had an American flag there as a source for color correction.

Just as Earth, the "big blue marble" is not blue, so not is Mars a "big red marble"... as NASA constantly changes colors to depict.

And when people on the internet started finding 2 to 3 anomalous objects a day from NASA's real-time cams, they then moved the Rover away from the item-rich site.

Even better, some items have unknown text on them while another has numbers we use on it... just like one would draw on an artifact at an archaeological dig... or to keep track of props.

First NASA said that there was so little atmosphere that there was no wind.

THEN they ducked up and said wind had cleaned off the Rover's solar panels, restoring it's energy.

Here's even video evidence of dust devils:

http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/pre.../20050506a.html

THEN realizing THAT fuckup contradicts the first lie, some unknown scientists of theirs said they were electrically-based storms...

BUT that's also a bit of a fuckup as a decent atmosphere would be needed for that as well!

Even though NASA says Mars has a near-vacuum, a european space probe got readings that the atmosphere had methane... normally identified as a by-product of life.

NASA says there's shitloads of "dry ice" unevaporated on Mars, but also say some parts of Mars get up to 81 degrees fahrenheit.

And more:

http://www.data4science.net/book/

[SuvieD]

I don't understand this view point. Sure it's possible, but it's like me saying "Isn't it possible that the Giant Spaghetti Monster created everything?". It doesn't prove anything.

As I've said before, if there needs to be a man to give life a start, what was there to give the man a start? This doesn't solve the problem of how life started, it just answers it with another question.

I know that the idea that one cell evolved into millions of species is hard to believe, but why is it easier to believe that there is a God that created everything? If anything, the idea that there's a big man floating in the sky who designs everything sounds even sillier.

Or perhaps we could say you made it. Does that make sense? Anyone can say anything and that won't make sense. You obviously didn't make all this did you? I can prove you didn't. There is evidence that you didn't. There are no prophecies true or untrue about you making all this. There is nothing to suggest that you made anything. Yet, there are complexities of science that do logically point to some engineer of life.

The question was to promote thought, not arguement or as an answer.

Not hard to believe, impossible. The is no man who floats in the sky. How do you explain ghosts? How do you explain real life witchcraft or voodoo? It exists. They have proof that people have used such "magic" to bring people back from the dead. What has caused that. Man obviously doesn't have power over life and death. Is it not extrememly likely that there is a spiritual realm of some sort that can effect things in this natural physical realm? Isn't it also likely that there is a spirit more powerful than all the others if spirits exist?

I have only one proof for you that God exists Sam. Five years ago I read protions of a book. I then began thinking and answering lifes questions the best I could because I did not want to end up like my drunken father. I made some decisions and for reasons I can't explain I am not that same person. I realised I was headed down a similar path as my father. No, not living in a vodka bottle but I was a liar, selfcentered and a jerk. Yet, now five years later not only did I offer to purchase 2005 x-pods for people here on EB who couldn't get them I did. I spent hours of my time looking for them. I went to the post office three times to get price quotes and to eventually mail them in a bubble wrap package I paid for with my own money. Hours of time and money I could have spent on myself or with my wife. I am not trying to brag but you have the proof in you LEGO collection Sam. I don't live just for me or my friends anymore. I don't even know you other than the couple of posts you have made here on EB that I have read. It isn't about me anymore Sam. It's about Him. It's about doing things His way. Reguardless of what you believe about the bible or the God that is described there. It is to Him you owe your thanks for those x-pods. Not me.

[crispen]

Suvie, i want to thank you for that. it may help others to see the light of God. and also, that gives me encouragment(however you spell it) in my life. you see, lots of my freinds are not Christians, and sometimes its hard out there... i try to tell them but they wont listen. ~crispen

[sam89]

What do you two think of this?

http://www.venganza.org/

;)

[Legoman]

just found this topic but

i am also a christian i somtimes have questions about God but i always find an ansewer in the bible or if you dont have one try this

when you die i want to see you in heaven but if you dont believe now its not just bad luck. It was always your choice God made us to have a choice and for crispen and SuvieD

see ya there(in heaven)

P.S if you have any more questions you can also PM me

[JINZONINGEN73]

Yet, now five years later not only did I offer to purchase 2005 x-pods for people here on EB who couldn't get them I did. I spent hours of my time looking for them. I went to the post office three times to get price quotes and to eventually mail them in a bubble wrap package I paid for with my own money. Hours of time and money I could have spent on myself or with my wife. I am not trying to brag but you have the proof in you LEGO collection Sam. I don't live just for me or my friends anymore. I don't even know you other than the couple of posts you have made here on EB that I have read. It isn't about me anymore Sam. It's about Him. It's about doing things His way. Reguardless of what you believe about the bible or the God that is described there. It is to Him you owe your thanks for those x-pods. Not me.

Ok... now that's very generous. It makes people smile knowing others are capable of doing such things sight unseen for their fellow man.

But seriously... you do NOT require a god or powerful being to accomplish it.

I take care of my wife because she's disabled. I had to leave a high-paying job just to move out into a shithole in Pennsylvania where there's no jobs, just because she needed a less hectic place to live.

We, well she, gets mere pennies from the government in relation to what our bills and such actually are after we pay the rent.

But still, still we spent $60 this month from our foodstamp card so a few families could have thanksgiving dinner. We couldn't really spare it, as we had to scrimp and practically ration our food out the rest of the month, but it was too horrible to be eating while others were in pain from not eating.

Funny thing is, people saw what we did and it turned into a BIG thing with lots of people donating... not just for Thanksgiving, but for year-round. Even an anonymous senator got in on it and created their own year-round food support dealie.

And guess what? We think religion is absolutely freaking ridiculous.

Yes, there's a god... but without getting too supernatural, I'll say just this... he is NOT what you think it is.

And no, I'm not explaining anything beyond that. Just leave it there. Too complex, too time-consuming, too impossible to believe.

But seriously... how does believing in an invisible being somehow create love for your fellow man?

WHY can't that come out of people to begin with, without saying it's being done in the name of the Great Kazoo, The Flying Spaghetti Monster, or some other god creature?

It doesn't.

You can be a glorious creature of love and light without ever stepping foot near a cross.

And if someone has a problem with that understanding, I do pity them.

[JINZONINGEN73]

Back on the science of extraterrestrial life...

Water = life, right?

http://dsc.discovery.com/news/briefs/20051...eladus_spa.html

Well here's one of Saturn's moons SPEWING water geysers out into space!

Ah... so that means there's heat boppin' around in there, for such a reaction.

Heat + water = life as we know it.

Maybe they're not walking, talking and watching TV, but you can bet there's extreme environment organisms in there of some sort.

[JINZONINGEN73]

What do you two think of this?

http://www.venganza.org/

;)

I think it's funny that even the VATICAN thinks it's kooky.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/110..._Evolution.html

[Legoman]

2. A brilliant man mathematically discovers how to fully assemble the pieces of a car by dropping it off a cliff in an exact positions and at exact times. He takes all of the parts with him to the top of the cliff and sets them up perfectly. He then walks away and goes to the cliff base next to where the car will land. With a press of a button he watches the parts fall into place one by one. Slowly they form the car and each piece falls perfectly into place. The last part falls into place and it forms a perfect car with the keys falling into the open window to start it up. Click. Now who charges the battery?

GOD

[Legoman]

JINZONINGEN 73 what are you talking about *minifig*

[JINZONINGEN73]

JINZONINGEN 73 what are you talking about *minifig*

You're... serious?

Post 1, You don't need religion or a god to be good.

Post 2, One of Saturn's moons gave a public display of it's life-supporting properties.

Post 3, Even the Vatican doesn't consider intelligent design a valid science.

[Legoman]

JINZONINGEN 73 what are you talking about *minifig*

You're... serious?

Post 1, You don't need religion or a god to be good.

yes but you do need them to go to heaven :|

[SuvieD]

What do you two think of this?

http://www.venganza.org/

;)

I think it is wonderful you believe in a mockery and think it is so cute. :| I also think that if it weren't for Jesus you would not gotten those xpods from me. Believe what you want. I can make up garbage and slap a little truth in it to make a mockery too but it won't change reality.

You don't need to have religion to do good things but religion itself is helping widows and orphans, helping those in need of what you have in abundance. Religion is not what people stereotype it to be.

Jesus changes lives. Not just doing good things or trying to be a good person. It is about being a different person with a different purpose. Besides, people like you are an exception. I would dare say that 50% or the English speaking world hasn't bothered to feed or cloth one person outside there social circle. People in general are awful and do awful things. Doing good things on it's own doesn't make you a good person. Not doing the wrong things, fixing it when you do and doing the right things is what it will take.

Oh, and I trust little of what comes out of Rome.

I will let this rest. Say what you want, I have seen and experienced lives being changed when nothing else was working. Proof positive.

[JINZONINGEN73]

JINZONINGEN 73 what are you talking about *minifig*

You're... serious?

Post 1, You don't need religion or a god to be good.

yes but you do need them to go to heaven :|

So... no matter how good I am in life towards myself and others... I'm going to hell or purgatory for not kissing the feet of an entity?

Please, this doesn't make sense.

No matter HOW good you are, you get PUNISHED for not believing in someone?

[Legoman]

NOT yet, you still have a chance to go to heaven believe in God and pray the prayer to God that he will forgive you for all your sins and he will (for more info PM me)and you will have a fresh soul like white snow but you for now your soul is black and red like hell you do not want to go there you always have the chance BUT not after you die and you cant stop dieing you might die today only God cant stop somthing from dieing so please i want to see ya in heaven please

[JINZONINGEN73]

o_O

Eh... if some vain, elitist entity tries to eternally hurt me when I die because I refused to asskiss it... then hell it is.

[Legoman]

well now all i can do is pray that the holy spirt will show you to God other than that i am leaving it up to God that is all i will say

PS have you seen bruce almighty the movie