UFO siteings

[dviddy]

No matter HOW good you are, you get PUNISHED for not believing in someone?

And then comes how bad you are. Ever lied? Cheated? Stolen?

We're all selfish, horrible people. Even Christians. Yes, there are those who do above normal good deeds. But most often, the bad far outways the good.

No matter how much good you do, you'll never make up for it.

And that's why Christians will look you in the eyes, unflinchingly, and tell you yes, no matter how good you are, without Jesus you're in Hell.

I must say though, I'm not big on religion. It turns the spiritual side of things bland, and destroys the whole meaning of things. You go from a thriving relationship of growth and true Christ-reflection to boring, hypocritical 'go by the book' and live a moral life person. And that's not what it's about either.

What can I say. I don't fit the stereotype, and I don't think Christians should.

I do not however, think aliens existing is a conflict with my faith. While I personally don't think they exist, if they did, why must that contradict anything? It doesn't need to. So it won't.

Besides, maybe then we'll get those lightsabers we all want, ne?

The thought of aliens coming out to get me seriously terrified me when I was little. Like, seriously.

Watched way too many Sci-Fi channel specials, lol. But man, terrified!

<<DV>>

[Mister Phes]

So as not to spoil your off topic conversation I've created a new thread for my own personal...

UFO SITING

Click here to read it

As you were gentlecreatures...

[crispen]

well , lets just get on topic: (ON topic) did you read any of the dogfight storys? pretty cool! anyway, well now i have like 51 posts or something.

~Crispen (P.S. when do you get a new rank?)

[dviddy]

There is no reason for why we're here, even human beings are just the result of natural processes, we're just part of this huge global system... It's up to you to decide what the purpose of your life is. To some it's only to have a great time and to have fun, others feel they have to change society for the better,... whatever, that's up to you, not to any creator... by living the way you want to, you're giving purpose or reason to your life... that's it... sorry if that disappoints you...

Just to get this out of the way. It's all fine and dandy for you to believe this, but don't go stating it as outright fact. That may be how you see it, but it's not the way others do, and forcing your views on others as true, well, it's kind've not cool. Rude, even. Again, what you see as natural processes, for all we know, might've been put in place by the very god you deny existing. There're many views. Don't go pushing yours off as absolute fact, especially in the midst of a debate. Bad form. It's the very thing Christians are accused of every day. Seems to me it clearly happens both ways then.

Anyway.

I do have to say, I've always been skeptical about UFOs being aliens from other planets. Sure, UFOs are real. But as alien ships? I somehow don't think so. I'd be more apt to believe in the governmental technology they don't want you to know about conspiracy. We all know governments have plenty of technologies they've developed they're hiding from their citizens, until the time is right. *insert conspiracy music*... Why not UFOs as prototypical tech?

But I don't rule out the alien angle. Might be kind've cool to meet aliens one day. I still hold out for that lightsaber...

If only..

<<DV>>

[Legoman]

Darth vader are you a christian |-/ :')

[crispen]

i dont know about him. but um, i got the viking warrior challenges the fenris wolf today! it took 5 days for lego to ship it out! what happened to " 1-2 days gaurenteed shipping"? well that was off topic but oh well. just happy news for me!

~crispen

[dviddy]

Darth vader are you a christian

O_O? Seriously?

My signature comes from an Audio Adrenaline song. My favorite bands are all Chrisitian ones. My BZP sig is the Christmas story. I admin on a Christian webforum. I spend all my free time volunteering at my church.

Sure, I could be a devout atheist and still do all those things. But I'm not.

Why yes I'm a Christian. Devoutly. It's my lifeblood, my essence. Without it, I am nothing. I may get cantankerous, but I always mean my comments respectfully. I'm a frank person, it's part of who I am, and that's been a hard road of change.

But that was so off-topic, it's not even funny.

Let's end this whole religion thing now, yes?

<<DV>>

[crispen]

Darth vader are you a christian

O_O? Seriously?

My signature comes from an Audio Adrenaline song. My favorite bands are all Chrisitian ones. My BZP sig is the Christmas story. I admin on a Christian webforum. I spend all my free time volunteering at my church.

Sure, I could be a devout atheist and still do all those things. But I'm not.

Why yes I'm a Christian. Devoutly. It's my lifeblood, my essence. Without it, I am nothing. I may get cantankerous, but I always mean my comments respectfully. I'm a frank person, it's part of who I am, and that's been a hard road of change.

But that was so off-topic, it's not even funny.

Let's end this whole religion thing now, yes?

<<DV>>

YES! lets get on topic! enough descusion! (my hands are still sore form typing that huge letter back in the first pages, i mean come on! im 10!) lets talk about UFO's!

~crispen

and how would we know that? i didnt.

[Evil Willy]

Well some of you believe what you want...I believe in God...I go to church every sunday, but I also believe God has made other planets which might have turned out better than ours...Or worst. I also think for you science believers that if there is an infinite sized universe with infinite planets than there is 100% chance of EVERYTHING...So that would mean that there is a God...See! Now you must believe...

[sam89]

I also think for you science believers that if there is an infinite sized universe with infinite planets than there is 100% chance of EVERYTHING...So that would mean that there is a God...See! Now you must believe...

Not really. Is the universe being infinite proof of the Flying Spaghetti Monster? Since there's a 100% chance of everything, that means the Spaghetti Monster must exist, right? ;)

(Sorry, I'm a bit obssessed with the Spaghetti Monster)

And I don't think there is a 100% chance of everything. Only things that follow the laws of the universe (so there won't be any really weird things happening in outer space).

[Legoman]

(Sorry, I'm a bit obssessed with the Spaghetti Monster)

And I don't think there is a 100% chance of everything. Only things that follow the laws of the universe (so there won't be any really weird things happening in outer space).

wow you are obsessed with the Spaghetti Monster :D but as for ufos i dont know i uesd to laugh at the idea but from what i see today it look as if there could be *sick*

[Evil Willy]

Yah actually I thought of that...Things that just arnt possible..And I thought more and even if u have a .045641% chance of something..U might never achieve it even if you try infinite times because its luck...And u can be unlucky forever if your lucky ;)

[JINZONINGEN73]

I also think for you science believers that if there is an infinite sized universe with infinite planets than there is 100% chance of EVERYTHING...So that would mean that there is a God...See! Now you must believe...

Not really. Is the universe being infinite proof of the Flying Spaghetti Monster? Since there's a 100% chance of everything, that means the Spaghetti Monster must exist, right? ;)

(Sorry, I'm a bit obssessed with the Spaghetti Monster)

And I don't think there is a 100% chance of everything. Only things that follow the laws of the universe (so there won't be any really weird things happening in outer space).

Exactly... there'll be some wacky things, but hyper-specific events, such as a nike shoe materializing out in the middle of a field without intelligent (accidental or intentional) help... that is impossible. At the same time, it's foolish to say that because people and nature were made, that it was due to intelligent design. Who gauges what "normal" design is to base "intelligent" off of? What's the correct theory for "give it time and it'll happen" design?I see humans and animals and such as just a logical mutation of environmental conditions... nothing anywhere near as complex as a materializing nike shoe.

Aliens too... I'd classify them as perfectly natural progressions of time, just as we are.

Darth Vader Posted on Dec 10 2005, 03:39 AM

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[dviddy]

Nonsense. To say two people doing the same exact beautiful deeds towards their fellow man doesn't make their deeds equal due to one of them not asskissing an invisible entity that vainly gets off on being worshipped... that's just rudely elitist. Unless you're saying you CAN'T be as good unless you have the TAUGHT fear of an imaginary being with an imaginary pitchork sticking you in the butt in an imaginary place when you die...

Jinzo, respectably, I must say your grasp of Christian theology is clearly second to none. You've clearly looked it over, and seen all there is to see. I'm glad you've been able to see the truth, and I'm sure now we'll be able to clue in the -one third of Earth's population- that believes in this obvious fallacy.

Look, He's not asking you to kiss up. And He doesn't do it because He's vain. And I'm sorry, there's no invisible entity with a pitchfork in Hell. Not how it works. That's a common worldly misconception, and one almost as far from the truth as you can get. Satan's not in Hell, although one day he will be, as it was created for him and his ilk. He doesn't rule Hell, nor does he stay there. The Bible says he's here, on earth, prowling, hunting, and hoping to somehow screw us all over.

And I'm sorry again, but what I've experienced goes far beyond being taught and indoctrinated througout my life. I've felt it, heard it. It's more real to me than anything else I have, can see, taste, hear, smell, feel. It's beyond comprehension.

And it's not about good deeds. Not in the least bit. Works without faith are dead, and meaningless. Besides, we're all far too steeped in evil for our good deeds to make even the slightest dent in that which works against us. I don't care how much you give to charity, how many turkeys you give to those who won't eat a holday dinner otherwise, and in the end, neither does God.

According to Scripture (which I know you disregard, but I'm explainin it from our view, so bear with me), even the smallest sin, the smallest selfish action, the tiniest infraction is a reason for death. Only perfection makes it to Heaven on it's own, and not a single one of us is perfect. No, not a one.

And call it what you want, but when God Himself walks this earth, dies the worst form of torturous death ever devised by human minds, all because He wants us to be with Him forever, and then asks nothing of us in return but trust, and faith, I don't call that kissing up to a vain entity who's getting his jollies by us worshipping him. I mean, if that was the case, why give is free will? Why not just create an army of robotic people to do nothing but bow down and worship forever?

Call it elitist if you wish. But personally, I find those that give up all they ever wanted, or wished to be, to the guidance of another, seems kind've the opposite of elitist.

And I apologize for another off-topic, slightly arguementative post, but I felt my dear friend Jinzo deserved an explanation from this side.

<<DV>>

[JINZONINGEN73]

I'm glad you've been able to see the truth, and I'm sure now we'll be able to clue in the -one third of Earth's population- that believes in this obvious fallacy.

Terrible argument as use of verification of truth.Was it not that wonderful religion that used to persecute people who believed the world was round and other sciences?Just because TONS of people believe something does not make it true.

And I'm sorry again, but what I've experienced goes far beyond being taught and indoctrinated througout my life. I've felt it, heard it. It's more real to me than anything else I have, can see, taste, hear, smell, feel. It's beyond comprehension.

Likewise, I'm not pulling what I know about this god out my butt either.

And it's not about good deeds. Not in the least bit. Works without faith are dead, and meaningless.

I don't care how much you give to charity, how many turkeys you give to those who won't eat a holday dinner otherwise, and in the end, neither does God.

Know what... you're right. F every one but me. I'm smart... I can steal and rape and take what I want from this world without ever getting in trouble. Thanks for the heads up!

Only perfection makes it to Heaven on it's own, and not a single one of us is perfect. No, not a one.

Okay, now I was in Catholic elementary school from grades1-6. WE were taught even the most sick monster, like a Hitler or a Jeffrey Dahmer could go to heaven so long as they said "I accept god" before they die. Same with people who wear scapulars (sic?) But then again, the accuracy at which the scripture is interpreted to it's followers by person to person is a HACK JOB at best, so how you were taught is possibly 100% different than how we were taught a decade and a half ago.

Why not just create an army of robotic people to do nothing but bow down and worship forever?

You mean he hasn't?

[Echo]

How do you think the universe came into existance Jinzo? (Yes, I am A Christian too.)

[crispen]

How do you think the universe came into existance Jinzo? (Yes, I am A Christian too.)

he probaly beleives the "big-bang" theory.

[JINZONINGEN73]

How do you think the universe came into existance Jinzo? (Yes, I am A Christian too.)

crispen Posted on Dec 12 2005, 08:29 PM

he probaly beleives the "big-bang" theory.

Honestly? No clue. And that's okay.

The curiosity is there, but heck... I have no way of knowing.

Neither do you. Deal.

But I won't do myself the dis-service of assuming it was done by a creature.

Hey... since the (pathetic) trumpcard often used against me when someone's arguing about god is "Yeah, well where did the UNIVERSE come from? Who do you think did that?!?" ...I must then turn it around and say "Yeah well who made this god thing? Who do you think made him?!?".

Seriously... it's the SAME argumentative question, but I'll be treated as some crazy badguy for asking it. Therein lies another prime example of the elitism.The"vanity", if you will.

Am I wrong? Well uh... I'm not the one condemning good people to ETERNAL HELLFIRE on a messageboard for not converting to my perspective, am I?

[KimT]

This thread is kinda scary. It seems like it's turned into a discussion between believers (the Christian Posse) and the non-believers.... What's up with that? So far I haven't been able to read any constructive claims to why UFO appearances are either real or unreal. "It's because they're drunk" is not an argument.

And the good old claim that the idea of Big Bang is absurd - because what was before and what will be - just doesn't cut it.

Due to our (the Human Race) short lifespan and highly eveloped brain / emotions we crave an explaination to why we are here - some believe that siecene will give us the answer other look into the skies for a God to worship. This all adds meaning to a meaningless life - unless the meaning is either 42 or to breed.

Religion changed when it was young - we (the Jews and the Christians) started out with a vengeful God that punished and lay down rules for our life (the 10 commitments). Later when society was established - we decided to get rid of the 10 basic rules and changed it all into ONE rule. (The New Testament - some sermon that Jesus held at a mountain) [Free qoute] From now on there is only one rule - to love Your next of kin as You love yourself.

[xwingyoda]

Like Mulder would say "I want to believe" !!!

[Mister Phes]

How do you think the universe came into existance Jinzo? (Yes, I am A Christian too.)

he probaly beleives the "big-bang" theory.

The good old big bang theory... That's where that alien was conducting an experiment to simulate an alternate microscopic existence, wasn't it? It seems to have worked well. Yes, I'm saying we're nothing more than quarks of something larger, something that we cannot possibly comprehend...

[JINZONINGEN73]

Due to our (the Human Race) short lifespan and highly eveloped brain / emotions we crave an explaination to why we are here - some believe that siecene will give us the answer other look into the skies for a God to worship. This all adds meaning to a meaningless life - unless the meaning is either 42 or to breed.

I like not knowing. I mean, I'd like it that people still try to find out, but it's such a monumental task that it's not something worth fighting about.

Scientifically, there have been a few bunny hops forward in sighting "where" it took place, what with the chronological expansion that can be seen with celestial bodies.

Not being a scientist, I have to wonder if time flows at a different pace for one celestial body versus another.

We've come this far with the time we've had in our concept of what this "time" is.

But if there is another place out there whose time runs faster, It's more than likely that their technology could put ours to shame.

You know... my brain just popped up another question.

Are UFO sightings and or abduction stories consistent from year to year?

Like, are the stories nearly-identical or have there been changes over the few short decades of serious reporting?

If time does flow differently, it's likely that every few years the stories would evolve somehow.

Assuming of course, that the alleged aliens who've studied us haven't stayed in this same chronological state we have & return home frequently.

Hmm. Well that was abstract. :|