UFO siteings

[crispen]

i know most of us dont beleive in UFO's and i dont either but just reading some storys that are crazy can make you chuckle! so if you want some dumb info about siteings, or if ya see one call the hotline on the site am about to give you: (it has about everything that has to do with UFO's)

click HERE

[Kahgarak]

It's ''sightings'',not siteings.

Cool site,though!

[snefroe]

ah... ufo's! as a child i was amazed by the phenomenon :oD creatures from outer space visiting earth... that was kind of fun... i've outgrown the phenomenon, tho... at some point, you just realise how unlikely it is to get visitors from another planet... I remember our UFO wave in Belgium, early 1990's! wow! that was fun!

there was one particular case that even our best specialists never solved tho. it was a black triangle flying very slow just above the trees, somewhere around Charleroi, i believe... A ground radio from a nearby airbase pick it up, and directed two F-16's to the target, but only one was able to manualy set up the F-16's radar to get a "lock"; then the thing just outmanoevered the vipers and was gone...

many thought is was a stealth but a) it didn't exist at that time, b) it can never outmanoever an F-16...

lego's UFO theme was a mess, unfortunately.... terribly printed parts, useless and large pieces, and too bright minifigs...

[crispen]

hmmmmmm

[languages]

I am a believer..... :o

[crispen]

wait..... you beleive in aliens :o :o :o ? wow *wacko* .

[JINZONINGEN73]

I've seen alot of things that supposedly don't exist.

Hell, most of you will probably go to your graves not knowing the things I know about crap that goes on in this world every day.

[optimus-convoy]

I also beleive...

in the existence of life on other planets.

[crispen]

oh great..... i am astouned! 2 beleivers?!?!

~crispen

[sam89]

Crispen, what makes you think that there is no chance of life on other planets?

[crispen]

well , i dont beleive cause i am a christian, and i beleive that God created us and Not other life forms. He only needed to make us to praise him .

that is why.

[Kahgarak]

well , i dont beleive cause i am a christian, and i beleive that God created us and Not other life forms. He only needed to make us to praise him .

that is why.

You never know if God only created us...maybe he created diffrent styles of lifeforms for a little experiment.

Just see God as a kid and the lifeforms (us and aliens) as Bionicle figures.

Child:It's so great to play with both Matoran (us) and Rahkshi (aliens)!

See what i mean?

Never say never,except for the example in the beginning of this sentence. :P

It's always possible. *wacko*

[snefroe]

I also beleive...

in the existence of life on other planets.

there is a kind of arrogance in the idea that there's nobody else. As if the infinite universe is only for us to use, study, whatever...

[SuvieD]

If there are or were aliens they left. Earth is not a very frinedly place and it is filled with a few billion or so people who care more about themselves than anything else.

They either got disgusted with it all and left or they went to get bigger guns so it will take less time to take over. If they even exist.

It is possible. They are finding new planets all the time that could possibly sustain life much like on earth. I doubt it though. If you believe this is all a big bang and that life has evolved and succeeded to continue through millions of trials to arrive where it is today then you must also understand the odds of it happening. So too must you realize the chances of it happening somewhere else where the planetary conditions or even 1% different are unimaginable.

I don't believe that and as such only one knows what is out there. The one who made it all. ;)

[snefroe]

If there are or were aliens they left. Earth is not a very frinedly place and it is filled with a few billion or so people who care more about themselves than anything else.

They either got disgusted with it all and left or they went to get bigger guns so it will take less time to take over. If they even exist.

It is possible. They are finding new planets all the time that could possibly sustain life much like on earth. I doubt it though. If you believe this is all a big bang and that life has evolved and succeeded to continue through millions of trials to arrive where it is today then you must also understand the odds of it happening. So too must you realize the chances of it happening somewhere else where the planetary conditions or even 1% different are unimaginable.

I don't believe that and as such only one knows what is out there. The one who made it all. ;)

hm... there are a billion times a billion stars in our galaxy alone. So even if there's a chance of 1% or even less, that still means there are millions of planets with potential...

you're assuming that "our path of evolution to humanoid life" is the only way to come to intelligent life, i don't know if that's true. i don't think that if temperature would have been 20

[dviddy]

many people also confuse science with religion. there is no intelligent creator or anything, if you except the concept of the bigbang (and its consequences), you'll find that many pieces of the universe fall into place... there's no creationism or god at work here, it's nature, it's action-reaction,... you don't need a god for that...

Which would explain how the Big Bang actually started.... how? And it's hard not to mix science with religion. Why should the two be mutually exclusive? It's an arrogant way to look at it. I've had several friends, professors, teachers, what have you, that accept the Big Bang, but also believe there must've been someone, call him God if you wish, to start it all off. Sure, the universe just fits into place, but that too can be attributed to an intelligent creator. Take LEGOs. They all fit into place too, but without someone to put them together, do they?

To say you don't need a god for that is to assume the highest level of arrogance available. Forget the arrogance in saying we're the only sentient life, or life period out there, this one takes the cake. How do we know this very laws of nature claimed as being able to run without a god, weren't put in place by one? Designed by one? Kept running by one?

If there are or were aliens they left. Earth is not a very frinedly place and it is filled with a few billion or so people who care more about themselves than anything else.

Truer words may never have been typed. We humans assume the highest levels of arrogance, of pride, selfish desires, and all other off-putting mannerisms everyday. Would you want to visit this place?

Lord knows I wouldn't.

<<DV>>

[sam89]

I've had several friends, professors, teachers, what have you, that accept the Big Bang, but also believe there must've been someone, call him God if you wish, to start it all off.

If "God" was needed to create the Big Bang, what was there to create God? There are problems with both theories.

To say you don't need a god for that is to assume the highest level of arrogance available. Forget the arrogance in saying we're the only sentient life, or life period out there, this one takes the cake. How do we know this very laws of nature claimed as being able to run without a god, weren't put in place by one? Designed by one? Kept running by one?

How is it arrogant? Why does there need to be a God to start it all off? Why does that make it any more logical than if nature did it by itself?

[crispen]

(this is for snefroe1)

know matter what, you cant change what i beleive. But if the world just "banged" into being here, how could we have been so fearfully, and wonderfully made? if you were to beleive in the Big-Bang theory it would make just as much as "no sense" it would be like beleiving in this.here is a little test , and a story: ( not offend you)

The theory of evolution of the Coca- Cola can-

billions of years ago , a big bang produced a large rock . As the rock cooled Sweet, brown liquid fromed on its surface. As time passed aluminum formed itself into a can, a lid, and a tab. Millions of years later, red & white paint fell from the sky ,and formed itself into the words " Coca - Cola...... 12 fluid ounces. " Of course my theory is an insult to your intellect, becuase you know that if the Coca-Cola can is made, Their must be a maker. If designed, a designer. The alternative, that it happened by chance or accident, is to move into an intellectual free zone.

The banana- the athiests ( person who beleives in evolution/big bang, that there is no God) nightmare:

1. Is shaped for human hand.

2. Has Nonslip surface

3. Has outward indicators of inward contents : Green-- to early ,

Yellow, Just right. and black, to late.

4. Has a tab for removal of wrapper.

5. Bio-degradable wrapper.

7. is shaped for human mouth.

8. Has a point at top for ease of entry.

9. Is pleasing to taste buds.

10. Is curved towards the face to make eating procces easy.

To say that the banana hapened by accident is even more unintelligent than to say that no one desgined the Coca-Cola Can.

TEST ONE------

The person who thinks the Coca-Cola Can had no maker is:

A. Intelligent

B. A fool

C. Has an ulterior motive for denying the obvious

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did you know that the eye has 40,000,000 nerve endings, the focusing muscles move an estimated 100,000 times a day, and the retina contains 137,000,000 light sensitive cells?

even charles Darwin said, " to suppose that the eye could have formed by natural selection, seems i freely confess, absurd in the highest degree!" if an cannot begin to make a human eye, how could anyone in his right mind think that eyes formed by mere chance? in fact man cannot make anything from nothing. We dont know how to do it We can reform, develop.... but we cannot createeven one grainof sand from nothing. Yet, the eye is only a small part of the most sophistacated part of creation-- the human body.

George Gallop, the famous statistician said " I could prove God statistically; take the human body alone; the chance that all the functions of the individual would just happen, is a statistical

monstrosity."

TEST TWO--

1. Do you know of any building that didnt have a builder?

2. do you know of any painting that didnt have a painter?

3. Do you know of any Car that didnt have a maker?

If you answerd "YES" to any of the above, give details.

______________________________________________________________________

Could i convince you that i dropped 50 oranges onto the ground and they by chance fell into ten rows of five oranges? The logical coclusion is that someone with an intelligent mind put them there. The odds that ten oranges would fall by accident into a strait line are mind boggling, let alone ten rows of five.

TEST THREE-- (yes or no)

1. From the atom of the universe is there order?

2. did it happen by accident or must there have been an inteeligent mind?

3. What are the odds of 50 oranges falling by chance into ten rows of five oranges?

_____________________________________________________________________

The declaration, "there is no God" is what is known as an absolute statement to be true, I must have absolute knowledge. Here is another statement: "there is no gold in china"

TEST FOUR--

A. No knowledge of China

B. Partial Knowledge of China

C. Absolute Knowledge of China

__________________________________________________________________

"C" is the correct answer. For the statement to be true, I must know that there is no glod in china , or the statement is incorrect. To say, " there is no God", and be correct in the statement, I must be omniscient. I must know how may hairs are upon every head, every thought of every humanheart, every detail of history, every atom within every rock....nothing is hidden from my eyes... I know the intamite details of the secret love-life of the fleas on the back of the black cat of Napoleons great Grandmother. To make the absolute statement : there is no God" I must have absolute knowledge that there isnt one. If you are reasonable, you will have to sya " having the limeted knowledge i have at present, i beleive that there is no God. In other words, you dont know if God exists, so you are not "Athiest" you are what is commonly known as " agnostic" You are like a man who looks at a building, and doesnt know if there was a builder.

TEST FIVE--

the man who sees a building and doesnt know if there was a builder is:

A. intelligent

B. a fool

C Has an ulterior motive

_____________________________________________

if you have any questions Please PM me with it. i will answer it as best as i can.

~ crispen

and P.S are you ( SuvieD ) a christian :) ? someone who understands me *minifig* ?

(and yes i did write all that for you |:| )

[DoubleT]

Well I have seen UFO's ;)

[ApophisV]

@ Crispen: I haven't read much of this thread, but your post surely is one of the most interesting things I read lately around here!

But there is one little logical mistake in your thoughts: If you aren't able proof that something is NOT there, it is not a must that the thing IS there!

That's why: It is NOT possible to proof that there is no god, but nonetheless this doesn't mean that there IS a god!

That's why this point doesn't really give any hint for or against a god! ;)

[Vader]

Why is it that most alien sightings happen to drunk americans in places with very few people..... ;)

[crispen]

well apophisV thanks fro the comment, but replying to vader316; cause there drunk, and they see stuff thats not there. so thats all.

but can we get back to the main point please? my fingers & brain are tired after typing and thinking up that. (and typing) and doubleT, thats funny.

real funny. ~crispen

[snefroe]

(this is for snefroe1)

know matter what, you cant change what i beleive. But if the world just "banged" into being here, how could we have been so fearfully, and wonderfully made? if you were to beleive in the Big-Bang theory it would make just as much as "no sense" it would be like beleiving in this.here is a little test , and a story: ( not offend you)

The theory of evolution of the Coca- Cola can-

billions of years ago , a big bang produced a large rock . As the rock cooled Sweet, brown liquid fromed on its surface. As time passed aluminum formed itself into a can, a lid, and a tab. Millions of years later, red & white paint fell from the sky ,and formed itself into the words " Coca - Cola...... 12 fluid ounces. " Of course my theory is an insult to your intellect, becuase you know that if the Coca-Cola can is made, Their must be a maker. If designed, a designer. The alternative, that it happened by chance or accident, is to move into an intellectual free zone.

The banana- the athiests ( person who beleives in evolution/big bang, that there is no God) nightmare:

1. Is shaped for human hand.

2. Has Nonslip surface

3. Has outward indicators of inward contents : Green-- to early ,

Yellow, Just right. and black, to late.

4. Has a tab for removal of wrapper.

5. Bio-degradable wrapper.

7. is shaped for human mouth.

8. Has a point at top for ease of entry.

9. Is pleasing to taste buds.

10. Is curved towards the face to make eating procces easy.

To say that the banana hapened by accident is even more unintelligent than to say that no one desgined the Coca-Cola Can.

TEST ONE------

The person who thinks the Coca-Cola Can had no maker is:

A. Intelligent

B. A fool

C. Has an ulterior motive for denying the obvious

____________________________________________________

did you know that the eye has 40,000,000 nerve endings, the focusing muscles move an estimated 100,000 times a day, and the retina contains 137,000,000 light sensitive cells?

even charles Darwin said, " to suppose that the eye could have formed by natural selection, seems i freely confess, absurd in the highest degree!" if an cannot begin to make a human eye, how could anyone in his right mind think that eyes formed by mere chance? in fact man cannot make anything from nothing. We dont know how to do it We can reform, develop.... but we cannot createeven one grainof sand from nothing. Yet, the eye is only a small part of the most sophistacated part of creation-- the human body.

George Gallop, the famous statistician said " I could prove God statistically; take the human body alone; the chance that all the functions of the individual would just happen, is a statistical

monstrosity."

TEST TWO--

1. Do you know of any building that didnt have a builder?

2. do you know of any painting that didnt have a painter?

3. Do you know of any Car that didnt have a maker?

If you answerd "YES" to any of the above, give details.

______________________________________________________________________

Could i convince you that i dropped 50 oranges onto the ground and they by chance fell into ten rows of five oranges? The logical coclusion is that someone with an intelligent mind put them there. The odds that ten oranges would fall by accident into a strait line are mind boggling, let alone ten rows of five.

TEST THREE-- (yes or no)

1. From the atom of the universe is there order?

2. did it happen by accident or must there have been an inteeligent mind?

3. What are the odds of 50 oranges falling by chance into ten rows of five oranges?

_____________________________________________________________________

The declaration, "there is no God" is what is known as an absolute statement to be true, I must have absolute knowledge. Here is another statement: "there is no gold in china"

TEST FOUR--

A. No knowledge of China

B. Partial Knowledge of China

C. Absolute Knowledge of China

__________________________________________________________________

"C" is the correct answer. For the statement to be true, I must know that there is no glod in china , or the statement is incorrect. To say, " there is no God", and be correct in the statement, I must be omniscient. I must know how may hairs are upon every head, every thought of every humanheart, every detail of history, every atom within every rock....nothing is hidden from my eyes... I know the intamite details of the secret love-life of the fleas on the back of the black cat of Napoleons great Grandmother. To make the absolute statement : there is no God" I must have absolute knowledge that there isnt one. If you are reasonable, you will have to sya " having the limeted knowledge i have at present, i beleive that there is no God. In other words, you dont know if God exists, so you are not "Athiest" you are what is commonly known as " agnostic" You are like a man who looks at a building, and doesnt know if there was a builder.

TEST FIVE--

the man who sees a building and doesnt know if there was a builder is:

A. intelligent

B. a fool

C Has an ulterior motive

_____________________________________________

if you have any questions Please PM me with it. i will answer it as best as i can.

~ crispen

and P.S are you ( SuvieD ) a christian :) ? someone who understands me *minifig* ?

(and yes i did write all that for you |:| )

ok...

1) first, i'm not offended, in fact, i was asking for it the moment i posted the previous message...

2) i don't "believe" in the big bang theory, i follow scientific methodoly: you want to understand, you observe, you study, you create a theory, you test, you conclude, you publish, you debate, ... for now, the theory of the big bang is the best scientific explenation for the way the universe is today... I'm very much aware of it's flaws, but it's a start...

3) the eye... hm.... first, the eye isn't perfect at all, many people wear glasses because something in their eye got messed up. in some cases, these things don't work at all. Surely, that can't be the work of a god, or a creator of some kind... that would be cruel from his part... In fact, human bodies aren't perfect at all: we even have bones inside us that we don't use at all, we need to sleep for 7-8 hours every 24 hours, we don't regenerate,... second, if darwin were to live today he'd be very surprised what humans can do from a medical point of view. Besides, several principles of darwin's original idea have been improved or changed. Like Einstein, Darwin wasn't right all the time... three, Gallop's idea that only god can get all these different functions working together doesn't convince me at all. super computers can also do lots of different functions and they've been designed by principles of nature, technology and human creativity... I do know that nature has been working on this project called human life for many millions of years, surely that's enough to get some of the work done... We most defenitely have solid evidence of evolution...

4) test 2 is kind of weird. no you cannot convince me... part of science is the requirement that if you repeat the test, the result should be the same... So if you succeed once, which i doubt, what makes you think you can get it a second time as well, and the third,... But even then, it does not lead to the conclusion that any kind of god is responsable for it... The sun goes up and down every day, that does not convince me to say a god is responsible for it, in fact it's gravity...

5) the difference is "there is no gold in China" can easily be verified. show me the spot in china where you found gold, we'll get a geologist to verify it actually is gold, and that's it: there is gold in China. the existence of a god, or even more than one can't be verified, it's a question of faith, not fact. therefore, it's impossible to compare both. God is a religious figure, there's no scientific fact that actually shows me his existence, at best, you're refering to complicated things (like the eye), or to weird, unverified things (like the oranges) but those don't give me any evidence of his existence. They just proof that the eye is complex and that oranges fall down if you drop them... as long as you can't provide me with some real evidence of his existence, i can clearly say "there is no god". it doesn't force me to have any opinion or insight about hairs, thought, history, whatever... there is a difference with the building. i can clearly state: this building is manmade, even tho i do not know who the builder was, but i recognice the concept of a building, made by humans, that leads me to the conclusion that the building was created by a person... So i do know there's a builder, i just don't know his name... I can do the same with humans, trees, animals: i recognice laws of nature, i can see them living in a certain context,... to me, they've been created by nature, by certain principles and laws... I'm not smart enough to understand all principles of nature, but biologists and others do... i don't see the work of a god...

[JINZONINGEN73]

well , i dont beleive cause i am a christian, and i beleive that God created us and Not other life forms. He only needed to make us to praise him .

that is why.

I'm not 100% positive, but didn't we already find foreign bacteria, or at least inactive remnants of it?

Anyway, what would happen if we did find life on other planets?

Would you not believe then, or just adjust your view to still fit into the religion?

And what if we find basic life, but not like intelligent humanoids or such... how would that affect your beliefs?

The theory of evolution of the Coca- Cola can-

billions of years ago , a big bang produced a large rock . As the rock cooled Sweet, brown liquid fromed on its surface. As time passed aluminum formed itself into a can, a lid, and a tab. Millions of years later, red & white paint fell from the sky ,and formed itself into the words " Coca - Cola...... 12 fluid ounces. "

I remember one of my science teachers said, "Time is so timeless, that this same exact event along with all of us right now will occur again."

And if that wasn't enough to make my brain implode, he said:

"Time is so timeless, that eventually anything is possible".

Unfortunately, I was looking at the floor when he said that, staring at my sneakers. I then started hurting my head by thinking of what kind of impossible factors could NATURALLY create a Nike shoe out in the middle of an open field.

X D

[crispen]

well i would have to say that it will never happen. they will never find a life form ( one that walks, talks *if it can* breathes) and also, there is no gold in china! just look it up. ~crispen

edit: also it wouldent affect my beleifs. and just think. if anything you see think abnout it. if there was no creator, who would of made it? thats the exact point im trying to get to. and also, gravity doesnt just happen. Someone has to create the force. the whole thing. it may be hard to beleive God created it all from nothing but God is all powerfull. no one created God. no one can understand that, becuase of our human minds. we cant understand it. just think about it. why are we here? what for? how did this even happen? we coild of never been created. but God decided to make Us to worship him alone. Now, i could perfectly say that almost all of us have worshipped an idol. How? becuase if you spend more time reading, watching, talking, ect. than time with God (praying, reading the Bible ect.) than that can become an idol in your life. even i have sometimes made an idol out of something, like say Legos. o play with them ALOT, but i try to spend time with God every day to. If you have any comments, or questions either PM me or post them here. please consider this all for a moment. ~crispen