WIP The East India Building

[Commodore Hornbricker]

Another work in progress. This massive building is on a 45 x 45 plate. It will be located across the street to the right of Government House. It needs some nautical themed touches still to the exterior but it is coming along. It is a conglomeration of 4 Green Grocer sets. The first level is markets and shops, food as well as uniforms and other essentials (still to be finished). The second level (which is one open room) will be an officers club for whist and other gentelmenly pursuits. The top floor will be lodging. The exterior is finished on all four sides.

Again with the bad background.

[Zorro]

An amazing work, I must admit!

It's really in the 18th-19th centuries style

[Guss]

Excellent creation! I love it, so full of details , my girlfriend thinks that's a wonderful creation too! XD

[Commodore Hornbricker]

Thanks for the nice comments. There where many many times when I thought this one was going to be beyond me and I almost threw in the towel. It turned out exactely how I imagined and it the one I am most looking forward to finishing off the interior. Especially the officers club.

[Ratshot]

Very Very Impressive. Can't wait for some more creations from you.

[Capt. Kirk]

Very nice work...

Although it's not realy a building style of the 16-17-18 century.

[Dwarfinator]

Wow. That's really good. But, it looks allot like the Cafe Corner...

[oo7]

It's 10185 Green Grocer, actually.

I'm also going to have to agree with Kirk, the architecture doesn't quite reflect 17/18th century style (sorry Zorro). Here are my suggestions for what to remove.

~ The large, multi-story bay windows became popular only by the Victorian period, it would do you good to replace them with several flat shuttered windows

~ The large, floor to ceiling panes of glass are also a more modern innovation, the technology to produce them only in use around the 20th century

~ The same goes for the awnings; 20th, maybe late 19th century

So, those three architectural facets really only came into use at points after the East India Trading Company had closed. Your application of effort to combine multiple copies of the set is certainly admirable but I'd suggest modifying it a bit further before simply replacing the town minifigures with that of pirates.

[Captain Blackmoor]

I think this wonderful WIP fits exactly in the 18 century, although it should be in a capital, not a small colony somewhere in the Caribbean. There are so many nice details and inventive techniques in it, wonderful.

I'm really lookin' forward to the finished product, I defenitely think this will turn out really, really good!

[Captain Green Hair]

Though the building itself looks very good, i have to agree with 007 here.

[General Armendariz]

From the moment I saw your huge armies I knew you had something going-This is amazing!

I think you need to change it a bit, I agree with the rest.

Edited April 19, 2009 by General Armendariz

[Commodore Hornbricker]

Cool. I love a good architectural design debate. My thinking is very close to Blackmoor's on this. I could never be accused of being a design purist as long as things relatively relate to the period. The center of the port was really ment to be acknowledgement of Whitehall and London at this time period. I know nothing this grand really existed in the Carribbean during this time. I have to agree that they do seem a touch more victorian than tudor or colonial in nature but I think the wealthier areas of London would have had similarities by 1805. They definately need to be modified to better fit the overall environment to create the transition between the wealthier center of the port and the more traditional elements which I envision surronding it. I sure appreciate all the comments. Hopefully you will all see some of your suggestions reflected in future revisions.

[Capt. Kirk]

I think this wonderful WIP fits exactly in the 18 century, although it should be in a capital, not a small colony somewhere in the Caribbean. There are so many nice details and inventive techniques in it, wonderful.

I'm really lookin' forward to the finished product, I defenitely think this will turn out really, really good!

Said with all respect Cap'n Blackmoor but that isn't realy the style of 1800.

It's more the architecture of the late 18th century and the early 19th century.

For example like The Alhambra Apartments (by architect Montrose W. Morris).

Some thing like this is more 17-18th architecture (painting by Gustave Bauernfeind).

Or more colonial architecture style for that time (17-18th century).

[Capt. Kirk]

Cool. I love a good architectural design debate. My thinking is very close to Blackmoor's on this. I could never be accused of being a design purist as long as things relatively relate to the period.

--> I respect your opinion... NP.

--> But sometimes when you want to have the atmosphere of a certain periode in a moc you have to respect some things. Like the golden age of Piracy is from 1570 until roughly 1800. So every architecture you use that isn't realy from this periode will feel not realy correct when you show it. For me personaly the style you use is better fit for some mafia or Victorian moc. Said with all respect... don't understand me wrong please.

The center of the port was really ment to be acknowledgement of Whitehall and London at this time period. I know nothing this grand really existed in the Carribbean during this time.

--> Sorry that I have to correct this but some buildings in the colonial Carribbean where great buildings. In particular the communion houses where 10-20 families lived under 1 roof.

I have to agree that they do seem a touch more victorian than tudor or colonial in nature but I think the wealthier areas of London would have had similarities by 1805. They definately need to be modified to better fit the overall environment to create the transition between the wealthier center of the port and the more traditional elements which I envision surronding it.

--> London around the early 1800 would look different then you thought.

--> Some examples (common man):

For the rich and famous,... it would look more like this:

Or like this (early Victorian style)... but then we talk already of 1810 & later and bye bye Piracy where we talk about.

[Commodore Hornbricker]

You guys are awsome. Thanks. I smell a poll...

[Capt. Kirk]

You guys are awsome.

--> If we can help we do it.

Thanks. I smell a poll...

--> I can't smell anything...

[Captain Blackmoor]

Said with all respect Cap'n Blackmoor but that isn't realy the style of 1800.

It's more the architecture of the late 18th century and the early 19th century.

You are probably right about it, but I think there's not really a clear border for the architecture between the 17th and the 18th century.

If you take a look at the buildings in Amsterdam, the government buildings, the palace, library, large shops and such, they are from the 17th century and they look like the buildings from the 18th century.

I also think it depends on in which country the building is, every country has another kind of architecture. So there is not really to determine an international border of different styles of architecture.

But I also think you are more experienced with those facts then me, this is just my opinion.

[Captain Zuloo]

This is a lovely creation. But I'm so used to seeing that colour scheme on the Green Grocer that I find it hard to look at it without thinking 'town'. However when I made the image negative in photoshop, it really was interesting.

Very well done here matey, and keep up in the pirate forum!

[Capt. Kirk]

You are probably right about it,...

--> Of course I'm right... ... just joking.

...but I think there's not really a clear border for the architecture between the 17th and the 18th century. If you take a look at the buildings in Amsterdam, the government buildings, the palace, library, large shops and such, they are from the 17th century and they look like the buildings from the 18th century.

--> There is a small clear border but I understand the confusion.

--> The confusion is caused because in that periode some old architecture styles are re-introduced (the Neo-styles).

--> The confusion is also caused by the fact that more rich people went abroad and saw other architecture styles and wanted their houses build like this (or with the influence of it). This means that it is possible that you see a building in Italian Roccoco in France.

I also think it depends on in which country the building is, every country has another kind of architecture. So there is not really to determine an international border of different styles of architecture.

--> That's correct... every country has another style.

--> But because of this their is a line.

Baroque Architecture

1600 to 1830 AD In Italy, the Baroque style is reflected in opulent and dramatic churches with irregular shapes and extravagant ornamentation. In France, the highly ornamented Baroque style combines with Classical restraint. Russian aristorcrats were impressed by Versailles in France, and incorporated Baroque ideas in the building of St. Petersburg. Elements of the elaborate Baroque style are found throughout Europe.

Rococo Architecture

1650 to 1790 AD During the last phase of the Baroque period, builders constructed elegant white buildings with sweeping curves.

American Colonial Architecture

1600 to 1780 AD European settlers in the New World borrowed ideas from their homelands to create their own breed of architecture.

Georgian Architecture

1720 to 1800 AD Georgian was a stately, symmetrical style that dominated in Great Britain and Ireland and influenced building styles in the American colonies.

Neoclassical / Federalist / Idealist (a Neo-style)

1730 to 1925 AD A renewed interest in ideas of Renaissance architect Andrea Palladio inspired a return of classical shapes in Europe, Great Britain and the United States.

Greek Revival Architecture (a Neo-style)

1790 to 1850 AD These classical buildings and homes often feature columns, pediments and other details inspired by Greek forms. Antebellum homes in the American south were often built in the Greek Revival style.

Victorian Architecture

1840 to 1900 AD Industrialization brought many innovations in architecture. Victorian styles include Gothic Revival, Italianate, Stick, Eastlake, Queen Anne, Romanesque and Second Empire.

Arts and Crafts Movement in Architecture

1860 to 1900 AD Arts and Crafts was a late 19th-century backlash against the forces of industrialization. The Arts and Crafts movement revived an interest in handicrafts and sought a spiritual connection with the surrounding environment, both natural and manmade. The Craftsman Bungalow evolved from the Arts and Crafts movement.

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But I also think you are more experienced with those facts then me, this is just my opinion.

--> Your opinion is well based...

But I'm so used to seeing that colour scheme on the Green Grocer that I find it hard to look at it without thinking 'town'.

--> This will play also a role in the fact that I doesn't look that pirate (nevertheless for me).

[Derfel Cadarn]

@Capt. Kirk, you certainly are a wealth of information on architecture! I deffinitly agree

[Commodore Hornbricker]

I hope I'll have some time soon to make some changes based on this discussion. I look forward to round 2.