Fabien Bellamy Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 Just now, Daniel Lucas said: Again if you start the lynch with me and they were lying, they are going to twist the shit out of it not even mentioning this again. But if they are masons, it is now a clear way to confirm at least one of them. And if Vincent turns out town, they were truly masons. Then you kill me next game right away and you have Aiden as confirmed town mason. If they're Masons and Town, there's no way that we will lynch one of them plus you to verify the other. Are you proposing to lynch two Townies to verify a third, on the odd chance that one of you is actually Scum?
Daniel Lucas Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 Vincent just said they are not masons! I've even give them the most logical scenario to their own CONFESSED actions. We don't know shit about Joshua, he could be the Scum Jonh Cena himself at this point, how do I know. But in the Vincent-Aiden-Daniel situation there is now a totally obvious sctumtell situation needed to clear up. If Vincent and me are not checked after this, it does not matter. Scum will carry.
Robin Tremblay Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 Unvote Daniel Lucas. Walls of text haven’t done anything but create confusion. A day 2 lynch would benefit scum at this point since there isn’t any hard evidence. Just he said vs he said.
Fred Dumont Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 Just now, Robin Tremblay said: Unvote Daniel Lucas. Walls of text haven’t done anything but create confusion. A day 2 lynch would benefit scum at this point since there isn’t any hard evidence. Just he said vs he said. Honestly, we all might need a nap.
Daniel Lucas Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 Just now, Fred Dumont said: Honestly, we all might need a nap. No. You have to read everything starting from this day page 7. Vincent said he had his reasons to send the backup PM to Aiden. I pointed out that he forget Aiden is not confirmed as well to be trusted, he quickly said that "Guess I'm a fool then". 18 minutes ago, Daniel Lucas said: WHY WOULD YOU TRUST AIDEN JUST BECAUSE I'M AN ASS? You are not masons? Then you are a fool or a fucking liar scum. This is OBVIOUS. It was N1 JESUS. You had no reason to send the PM only to Aiden if you are not masons. You had no confirmed nigth action read. Do we believe this? It is obvious he did not start to play this game past week. 14 minutes ago, Vincent Denis said: Guess I'm a fool, then. He is no fool. He completely new Aiden can not be trusted. HE EVEN SAID IT IN THE PM! On 4/10/2020 at 5:19 AM, Vincent Denis said: No shit. I said nothing clears Aiden. I even said there's a possibility he was trying to buddy up to me. And he was ready to be killed after warning me just to send the only backup PM to Aiden. Who is maybe just trying to buddy up. Vincent is confirmed LIAR at this point.
Robin Tremblay Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 5 minutes ago, Aiden Leon said: I am f*cking lost right now. Welcome to the club.
Daniel Lucas Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, Aiden Leon said: I am f*cking lost right now. You wish. Where is your PM with Vincent? Do you confirm he was sending it to you? He said you are not cleared to him, but sends his only backup PM to you all the same. But then he says he had his reason to trust you and send it only you. After I point out that a Town would need to FIVE players at least to be confirmed 100%. He did not dare to say 5 names, because clearly there is no way 5 player would confirm it now. Because he confessed waaaay before he knew it will be a scumtell that only one person got the PM. Which is you. Again, confirmed by Vincent. Which should mean you are masons, because there is no way he would trust you otherwise. To this argumenth he quickly says okay, he was maybe a fool. But we all know that is not true, because there is already the quote from him saying he is not sure you are to be trusted. So he is lying. Also guys, READ. What are you expecting without reading it? Someone bringing you the names of the Scum inside a fortune cookie? I've just showed you the proof that Vincent is lying either way. If they are not masons they are scum buddies.
Fred Dumont Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 29 minutes ago, Daniel Lucas said: No. You have to read everything starting from this day page 7. Vincent said he had his reasons to send the backup PM to Aiden. I pointed out that he forget Aiden is not confirmed as well to be trusted, he quickly said that "Guess I'm a fool then". This is why I find you both bull. Arguing arguing arguing with no true solutions. 8 minutes ago, Aiden Leon said: I am f*cking lost right now. Just now, Robin Tremblay said: Welcome to the club. That's happened to me the past hour, too.
Emmett Ware Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Peter Lyon said: This is really the first thing that's making me seriously consider voting for Daniel despite his claim. However, I don't think the scum will automatically target Daniel if he's town... they'll only do so if they think he's a real threat and they're confident he won't be watched. I admit, you may have a point, though not the exact one you intended. If he's town, the scum have to be loving the disruption he's causing to the town, so maybe they would let him live to keep that going. It's still a fairly bad strategy though, since killing him would throw suspicion on the people he has wildly argued with. Let's face it, whatever happens here, it's going to be bad for the town in some way, assuming he isn't scum or neutral.
Daniel Lucas Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 Just now, Emmett Ware said: I admit, you may have a point, though not the exact one you intended. If he's town, the scum have to be loving the disruption he's causing to the town, so maybe they would let him live to keep that going. It's still a fairly bad strategy though, since killing him would throw suspicion on the people he has wildly argued with. Let's face it, whatever happens here, it's going to be bad for the town in some way, assuming he isn't scum or neutral. READ. Fred, there is the soluton right in front of your eyes. He just confessed they are not mason, confessed he sent him the only backup PM anyway, and said it might be a fool thing to do. While he said countless of times that he did not trust Aiden. Which means he would've never send him the only copy unless they are masons. But Vincent denies they're being masons. Which means he lies. They've would have already sent us the screenshots of their PM if I'd by lying, since the text can be changed. And Aiden does not even confirms the PM. Just say's he is confused. He is not. He knows if they are not going to wish-wash it asap, they're done.
Jean Pelley Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 Daniel, we have read (except for Justin) and we have come to different conclusions. That is because humans are not perfectly logical thinkers and, even if we were, we evidently have different axioms when it comes to mafia than you do. And yeah @Aiden Leon get the fuck in here and tell us about Vincent’s PMs
Fabien Bellamy Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 For now I'm thinking Daniel is a misled Townie, while I'm neutral about Vincent. And I don't think that either of them flipping Town in case of a successful lynch will tell us much about the other. Of course, it's another matter altogether if the lynchee is Scum. I did read the day thread, but how did actually Joshua manage to get so many votes? And I'm not buying the "Vincent PMed Aiden so either they're Masons or Scum" theory. If there's more to it, please explain it to me. Did I miss something?
Vincent Denis Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 Just now, Jean Pelley said: And yeah @Aiden Leon get the fuck in here and tell us about Vincent’s PMs *Fwom fwom fwom fwom* Would it help if I just posted the conversation? I'm more than willing to do so but I don't want to just dump another unwanted wall of text on this thread. *Fwom fwom fwomma fwomma fwom fwom fwom*
Daniel Lucas Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 My logic is crystal clear. In our PM Vincent warns me he is going to tell. Town would never warn, because scum still can kill because of it. You either point out you've sent PM messages so scum will not risk it. And you send it anyways to be sure. Vincent confessed he sent it to only one person. Aiden. Vincent would have not send the only copy to Aiden if truly town. You need 5 players at least to be sure it is going te be confirmed, since 3-4 scums out there. The PM is still not confirmed by Aiden. Vincent said he had his reasons to trust Aiden. So I say they must be masons, because there is no way he trusts him on N1. Also they were playing together already on D1. Vincent says they are not masons. But if they are not masons, I ask Vincent why did he trust Aiden? He says he might be a fool, thats why. I quote from the PM where Vincent says he does not trust Aiden. This means he was not fool. He knew already if he is Town. So he is lying at this very point. Also see point 5. Therefore Vincent lies. Aiden comes in and gives no confirmation. He only throws in he is confused. No he is not. I'd say they are town if they were truly masons. But they don't dare to claim masons. Because they are afraid we might actually have masons with an instant counterclaim.
Jean Pelley Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 Just now, Vincent Denis said: Would it help if I just posted the conversation? I'm more than willing to do so but I don't want to just dump another unwanted wall of text on this thread. Honestly I’d prefer it if Aiden did. Just now, Daniel Lucas said: My logic is crystal clear. Thank you Lobachevsky, very cool! 6 minutes ago, Fabien Bellamy said: I did read the day thread, but how did actually Joshua manage to get so many votes? Bevasue he’s scum, duh
Aiden Leon Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 Just now, Daniel Lucas said: Where is your PM with Vincent? Do you confirm he was sending it to you? Yes. Just now, Daniel Lucas said: He said you are not cleared to him, but sends his only backup PM to you all the same. But then he says he had his reason to trust you and send it only you. If Vincent had decided that you and I couldn't be scum m8s, then that's all he needs really since If I'm town then I'd probably carry out his wishes. 8 minutes ago, Daniel Lucas said: Town would need to FIVE players at least to be confirmed 100%. He did not dare to say 5 names, because clearly there is no way 5 player would confirm it now. Your like a android that gained sentience, but instead of becoming a artist or something, he kept to his numbers and got really pretentious. 14 minutes ago, Daniel Lucas said: because there is no way he would trust you otherwise. Coming from the guy who flip-flopped in the night and asked the person they called scum all day if they were ready to work together. 6 minutes ago, Jean Pelley said: And yeah @Aiden Leon get the fuck in here and tell us about Vincent’s PMs I'm perfectly fine with Vincent posting it, but it pretty much consists of us shaking our heads at things Daniel said, pointing out a few things that seemed scummy, and Vincent quoting his conversation with Daniel and asking me to share what was said if he's yeeted.
Daniel Lucas Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 Just now, Jean Pelley said: Thank you Lobachevsky, very cool! This is why are the third potential scum. You are keep helping them and twisting since page1. You have zero arguments just empty cynical wishwashing. And all 3 of you are voting on Joshua. But no, you are not working together. And all 3 of you have voted for Justin before. But no, you are not working together.
Aiden Leon Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 Just now, Jean Pelley said: Honestly I’d prefer it if Aiden did. k give me a minute
Daniel Lucas Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 Just now, Aiden Leon said: I'm perfectly fine with Vincent posting it Why not you post it together? Just to see you are not tinkering with the text. Or better, why not both of you show us the screenshots?
Aiden Leon Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 Just now, Daniel Lucas said: Or better, why not both of you show us the screenshots? OMFG u wish
Vincent Denis Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 *Fwom fwom* Looking over the day thread, these are the people who appear to be using Daniel's constant posts against me and whoever agrees with me as cover from looking at everyone else. Joshua, until prompted Andrew, although he responded directly to Jean when accused Robin Aiden, although he mentions a suspicion of Fred Fred, who has a few posts just discussing game mechanics Emmett Justin That's 7 of us. I thought that would be more revealing, but almost half are only paying attention to the conflict between Daniel and me. They're not all scum, obviously, but this is really hindering our ability to look at the whole picture. I'm not scum, so Daniel you are wasting your and everybody's time and energy here. Just now, Daniel Lucas said: Vincent said he had his reasons to trust Aiden. Point out where I use "trust" and "Aiden" in the same sentence. *Fwom fwomma fwom fwom*
Daniel Lucas Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 Just now, Aiden Leon said: OMFG u wish It would clear you. You said you are already will post the message. Are you going to tinker with it? Are you roleclaiming without reason all over or what? It is N1. In our PM Vincent warns me he is going to tell. Town would never warn, because scum still can kill because of it. You either point out you've sent PM messages so scum will not risk it. And you send it anyways to be sure. Vincent confessed he sent it to only one person. Aiden. Vincent would have not send the only copy to Aiden if truly town. You need 5 players at least to be sure it is going te be confirmed, since 3-4 scums out there. The PM is still not confirmed by Aiden. Vincent said he had his reasons to trust Aiden. So I say they must be masons, because there is no way he trusts him on N1. Also they were playing together already on D1. Vincent says they are not masons. But if they are not masons, I ask Vincent why did he trust Aiden? He says he might be a fool, thats why. I quote from the PM where Vincent says he does not trust Aiden. This means he was not fool. He knew already if he is Town. also see point 5. Therefore Vincent lies. Aiden comes in and gives confirmation. No posts yet or screenshots.
Vincent Denis Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 *Fwom fwom fwomma fwom* Aiden, make sure you leave my first message in, un-censored please. Thank you. *Fwomma fwomma fwom fwom fwom fwom fwom*
Daniel Lucas Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 2 hours ago, Vincent Denis said: Makes sense to me why I copied it to just one person This is why you trusted Aiden. Makes zero sense unless you are masons.
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