Pirates Mafia III - Day Two

[Vincent Denis]

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Just now, Daniel Lucas said:

You brought up asking me to do it, but you never said you are doing it yourself.

Why should I? You said you caught me in half a dozen lies. The one you're referencing isn't a lie. I didn't tell you I was PMing our conversation to another player. So what? You got 5 more supposed lies somewhere?

If anybody else has any concern about it, I'm more than happy to post that PM conversation as well. Makes sense to me why I copied it to just one person, but unless anyone besides Daniel needs to see it, I'm not going to contribute to his endless, confusing posts.

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[Jean Pelley]

3 hours ago, Aiden Leon said:

Vote: Joshua Levitt

Appologies if I missed the explanation, but I'm still curious why Joshua over Andrew. I don't see any disadvantages, I just don't see the advantages.

Duly noted.

14 hours ago, Peter Lyon said:

At any rate, that wasn't really the point of what I was trying to say early this morning.  What I was demonstrating was how many folks were all in favor of lynching day 1 and how few of those folks actually made an effort to get us close to one.

Would you like to vote for anyone then?

Just now, Daniel Lucas said:

Again a Town would never warn me, because it is just suicide if I'm truly scum, and we were still at night so I could've killed you.

It's called playing chicken, dude. And if you're so concerned about who may have received Vincent's CC, I have the following proposal:

• Daniel explicitly confirms that the sequence of messages from the second page of this thread is complete and accurate;
• Whoever Vincent copied the messages to: hands up and again confirm that the messages supplied by our tubist are complete and accurate.

1 hour ago, Joshua Levitt said:

What's the point in even lynching quiet people? That's what the scum likes because it gives zero information to the town the next day. Why else would they kill the quietest people at night? It's a lot safer to start bandwagons and do night kills on quiet townies than people that have put forth any actual evidence or hypothesis against any of them (or anyone else for that matter) which would risk confirmation upon death.

FFS, scum win games by lynching quiet people because they love to be scrutinized by everyone who's left. Of course. Why didn't I think of that? I'll just take my vote off you so you can sail happily into the sunset.

52 minutes ago, Joshua Levitt said:

maybe he got some intell over the night that he hasn't shared - but if it was truly damning I would hope he would have found some way to share.

If you were paying even the slightest bit of attention, if we believe Daniel is town then we can believe the following:

On 4/11/2020 at 2:26 AM, Daniel Lucas said:

I lied to you about pm-ing other people, yes.

On 4/11/2020 at 11:41 PM, Daniel Lucas said:

I'm Town Jailer. You're welcomed to make your proper stand finally or give your counterclaims if you have any.

On 4/12/2020 at 10:36 AM, Daniel Lucas said:

My target was Alex Howe, he was jailed successfully.

How would Daniel get concrete information about Vincent if (a) he's not talked to anyone in PM besides Vincent and (b) his night action has nothing to do with Vincent? Which reminds me... @Alex Howe would you like to respond to Daniels stated night action?

I know there's lots of text going around, but Joshua is singularly not paying attention while pretending to contribute. This sets him apart and makes me feel even more comfortable with my vote on him.

[Fred Dumont]

45 minutes ago, Vincent Denis said:

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Great, thank you. If I'm a misguided townie, what about my behavior suggests being misguided? I'm not challenging you. I'm asking an honest question to help me, and hopefully everybody, gain some perspective here.

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The trend that we have in other games of misguided townies arguing for some stupid reason that gets blown up and the scum extort.

You can say "Well that's because nobody knows who is what role," but we've had it happen over and over where Townie A for metagaming or some other reason doesn't like Townie B and they fight it out in the day.

[Vincent Denis]

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Just now, Jean Pelley said:

• Whoever Vincent copied the messages to: hands up and again confirm that the messages supplied by our tubist are complete and accurate.

Since someone rational has asked, It was Aiden. Aiden was the only other person I spoke with and relaying the messages to him was a concrete plan as if anybody is town, if Daniel is scum (besides me, of course) is Aiden. They're clearly not on the same team. I'll copy the PMs if you really want to see them.

Hold the phone. Something just hit me like a ton of bricks. I apologize because this is likely going to set Daniel off, although he seems to find any reason to go off, so I probably don't need to take responsibility. I just saw this message again and it super-pings me. It's also super-meta, so please tell me if I'm thinking too hard, or about it the wrong way.

On 4/9/2020 at 4:02 PM, Daniel Lucas said:

Ready to work together...Mr Hinck?

In what world would he make this guess at my identity? If he's a noob, and I believe he is who he says he is, then how would he guess I'm Hinckley unless someone else had made the same guess and said it to him. Hinckley played as Ethan in the last game and the style he chose to play in that game was vastly different from how I'm posting. This came 24 hours into the night phase. That's plenty of time for the scum team to be like "I think you're talking to Hinckley." I don't immediately understand how he would associate me with Hinckley but I do know that I'm posting differently than he posted in the last game. Should I ignore this or is there something there?

And if anybody wants to see the PMs with Aiden, just ask. I don't want to dump another wall of text into this thread unless people really want to see it.

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[Daniel Lucas]

I've just confirmed twice that it is accurate. And playing chicken is not about relying on just one signle person to back me up. And you guys always just jump in when I show my strongest tell. You did the very same instantly Jean when I've pointed it out the first time. As again, you are coordinating to push the discussion away, but believe me. Also I have a tip his PM was with Aiden. No shit. You are all together.

Just now, Vincent Denis said:

And if anybody wants to see the PMs with Aiden, just ask.

FOR FUCKING SAKE, JUST LYNCH ONE OF US ALREADY.

[Justin Reynaud]

Hello everyone. I wasn't lurking for the past 4 pages of conversation, I was just enjoying the Easter holiday with my family and then had my duties to attend to this morning. Now that I've had a chance to catch up let me comment on a few things:

On 4/11/2020 at 12:05 PM, Aiden Leon said:

That's it? All you said was my explanation was "simple". What is there to answer? Why it was "simple"? You haven't given me a question to answer.

If your talking about yesterday, I don't think I ever said I thought he was scum so this is BS. I made it clear that I wanted to lynch him because he was being detrimental whether he was town or scum. 

The PM bit does have me wondering now if he could be scum, but that's now.

What suspision?!!! The only one I can find is that I've been accused of "defending Vincent", to which I've explained already multiple times to which you've stated as "too simple". You just gonna leave it at that and act like you still a case against me? 

You have been "attacking" Daniel and "defending" Vincent. I'm going to continue to use those words since that's what you have been doing even though you want to try to re-define them. Due to no fault of your own making, these two players have been posting walls and walls of text. To come in and say "I think Daniel is scummy" and "I agree with Vincent" (oversimplified, I know) and not give any more detail pings me as scummy. If you're going to attack one of these two, you unfortunately have to be ready to post a longer reason as to why they seem like scum to you. This is one of the reasons I think they are both acting scummy. It's hard to isolate what makes them seem like scum or town. But give simple statements about it seems like you are either too eager to get 1 lynched or too sure that 1 is on your team. Neither outcome looks good for you.

On 4/11/2020 at 1:40 PM, Vincent Denis said:

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These are literally your words. You used killer as a verb and referred to the scum as intruders. So they're not words I put in your mouth so much as they are words you put in your own mouth. 

If this is your view, then Daniel's insistence on getting answers from several people despite us answering them, repeatedly, should make him the king scum in your eyes. Your reason for voting for me seems to be solely based on me asking for clarification on what I see as inconsistencies in your statements and answers. I'm not scum so my intention is not to get you to appear any certain way, I'm trying to discern your intentions. The perceived inconsistencies and parroting of Andrew ping me. If you could humor me for a second, in what ways has a poke vote gotten other players talking more in previous games? What about it works, in your experience?

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 And I try to be so careful when proof reading my posts! My apologies for using incorrect grammer/spelling when using "killer". As for "intruder," that's just a fancy way to say "scum." I wasn't trying to be vague so much as roleplay a little at that point. We are in a Pirates Mafia game after all. 

As for poke votes, you only have to look as far back as Pirates II to see their helpfulness. Really, if you are an experienced player this seems like a very odd question. At the beginning of day 1 what other kinds of votes are there?

What other players are you referring to that Daniel is harassing? Seems to be you and Aiden mostly. Your whole strategy has been to post text walls and Aiden has been super defensive. All 3 of you seem scummy as I posted before. To clarify the reason I think you are scummy, it's because you have been inconsistent and have been hiding behind text walls.

Let me also address here why I haven't said more about Joshua since you keep calling me out on that. Should he have been more careful with details when he counted the number of those voting or not voting for a lynch? Yes. Have his actions been odd? Yes. Are they odd enough to ping me as scum, not yet. But that's in part because he, like so many others right now, are not posting much at all. 

45 minutes ago, Vincent Denis said:

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Great, thank you. If I'm a misguided townie, what about my behavior suggests being misguided? I'm not challenging you. I'm asking an honest question to help me, and hopefully everybody, gain some perspective here.

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Both you and Daniel have been unhelpful by making the threads hard to navigate and understand. You both keep saying you're done, but then you come right back and keep posting at each other.

 

As for Daniel's claim. If he is who he says he is, then he seems to be playing true to his nature as we saw in the last game. He is loud, he is brash, but it's also his play style. I'm not saying I believe him, but I don't doubt him more because of his claims. It just fits his style.

[Vincent Denis]

Just now, Justin Reynaud said:

you have been inconsistent

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Where?

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[Trenton Monette]

Just now, Vincent Denis said:

 I don't immediately understand how he would associate me with Hinckley but I do know that I'm posting differently than he posted in the last game. Should I ignore this or is there something there?

Possibly. But then people guessed who Hinckley was last game. 

Not saying that you are Hinckley but people have guessed identities before.

[Daniel Lucas]

Just now, Justin Reynaud said:

As for Daniel's claim. If he is who he says he is, then he seems to be playing true to his nature as we saw in the last game.

I am saying who I am. Check my first post in this thread:

On 4/11/2020 at 2:29 AM, Daniel Lucas said:

Have to say, Remi did not have too much contribution. Opinions even less, almost just confirmation and chit-chat. We should check his post anyways. Especially the last two, because if he is not dead by being a silent and neutral townie, the cause may lie there.

Jean was quoted once, asked for clarification on his vote on Justin. Andrew was the other one for his mention about night actions. I'm not sure where to put these. Later he made no further inquiries about the answers he got. Eventually he made no votes, that is also interesting. Definitely we should look at all the votes as well at this point.

which reads: Howe Jailed. Now check Robert's first post in D2 Pirates II.

Just lynch one of us ALREADY. The other one is lying.

[Fabien Bellamy]

Okay sorry for having missed a great deal. I was unable to catch up with the threads in the last few days, and there was a lot happening here. Anyway, I'm back and hopefully for good.

My last post was about how fast things had escalated between Daniel and Vincent. I remember thinking that it could be an elaborate ploy for two scum to go at each other hard at a time when it was unlikely that one would end up lynched. Then the good old "would they argue so much if they were Scum?" would inevitably surface, as it has already.

But this is Day 2 now and not much has changed, and the feud has become tiresome for many. I'm not as suspicious of their interplay as I used to be.

Daniel's claim is interesting. Given the votes piling up against him, I read claiming as a plausible Town play. Could be Scum claiming as well though. Jail Keeper is not such a common role that a Scum would expect a counter-claim, I suppose. Someone already mentioned that it was a safe bet, compared to Blocker for instance. On the other hand, if Daniel were Scum he would probably claim something that would be in tune with his scum role (Scum Blocker?).

Then lots of players asked for a confirmation. Who was Daniel's target? Can the target verify there were blocked? This is big time fishing. In any other game this would have looked extremely suspicious. But now people seem to assume that everybody has PRs, and that claiming one has a role is inconsequential. I don't know what to make of it, still I'm not one comfortable with everyone claiming just in order to verify Daniel. If Daniel's target has indeed been blocked, it doesn't prove that Daniel is Town, only that Daniel knows that a Blocker has targeted them last night. On the other hand, it does reveal whether the target has a night action. This far, it seems that the target (Alex) has been silent on the matter, and it's probably for the best. Let them share that information with people they trust and not publicly. If Daniel is verified somehow, then I trust that the information will travel behind the scenes and that he won't be lynched. But if there are inconsistencies with his claims, then let that be known through trusted channels.

Now it's not immediately clear why Daniel has blocked Alex.

21 hours ago, Daniel Lucas said:

I'm not implying that he is another type of scum by this. We don't know, I jailed him because as I've pointed out yesterday he was scummy to me with that contradictional noob-experienced act. Also a lurker and I just hate these big mouthed lurkers. If not being a Town, I'd gladly lynch all of them just to end this nonsense. 

What we know is that we actually don't know for sure. Yesterday I would have been okay with an Alex lynch as I've said so, today with this new information, I'd say no. 

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So yes, my read from this is that Alex is quite possibly Town. Is it a proof? No. Can he be still scum? Yes. Is he a good vote for today? No.

Also since some people can't stop throwing around nonsense deductions, I actually say @Alex Howe now should confirm he was blocked. If he says he was not, you lynch me. If I flip town, you might finally start to realize between two j*rkoffs, that I was talking sense. And then you can lynch Alex for lying. Also if he says yes, you might try to think twice about taking any risk and using actually valid arguments for my potential lynching.

But... you spent all day yesterday arguing with Vincent, with Aiden... What made Alex a better target than them if you actually had a useful PR?

 

23 hours ago, Emmett Ware said:

You are a bastard. Perhaps a Jester, a completely different kind of bastard than the kind you appear to be, but at least one with a purpose. That possibility is the only complication to this whole situation. Once again, you have not helped the town with your sudden roleclaim and your continued attacks and rambling nonsense. You're either sowing confusion as scum, trying to cause enough grief and aggravation to get lynched as a jester, or you're the worst townie I've ever seen and have now wasted a useful role. Good job.  

It's a risk I'm willing to take. My vote stands.

I find your statement odd right there (emphasis mine). I think that roleclaiming is a Townie thing to do when you're about to be lyched. It's also a strategy that could be used by Scum, but why trying to save his butt would be an unhelpful thing for Daniel to do if he's Town?
 

14 hours ago, Peter Lyon said:

As for Daniel's Jailkeeper claim.  I think it's a much safer claim for a scum than claiming blocker.  A town blocker other than Daniel would have to weigh how likely it would be that we'd have both a blocker and a jailkeeper and that it's worth coming out publicly for the scum to know about it.  Alex, whether or not he has a PR, has been relatively quiet (I realize I'm the far blacker pot calling the kettle black here), who could just as well be a scum teammate of Daniel's.  Assuming Alex is town, I would expect him only to chime in if Daniel is lying about blocking him.  If he's vanilla he can't confirm or deny and if he has a PR, the only reason he ought to claim that he was indeed blocked is if Daniel gets close to being lynched and he wants that not to happen.  If Daniel doesn't get close to the votes needed, Alex ought to just stay quiet and let the town PR's sort it out.  Personally, I'm fine with that approach.  The less clarity the scum have the better.

I fully agree with Peter on this.

 

[Joshua Levitt]

17 minutes ago, Jean Pelley said:

If you were paying even the slightest bit of attention, if we believe Daniel is town then we can believe the following:

I am paying attention. you are getting defensive of Daniel and have been other times as well, and flat out believing his claim fully with no proof of anything? You say I'm not paying attention but I am. What makes you so sure this guy is town then? Waiting for his godfather role to turn up a town investigation so he can be cleared? 

[Jean Pelley]

3 minutes ago, Daniel Lucas said:

You did the very same instantly Jean when I've pointed it out the first time.

Yes, and I'll continue to say it. I'm not coordinating with Vincent or Aiden, I'm just sick of hearing about it. I think you're obsessive, and you're far less logical than you think you are. Less Spock and more Data when he learned to have emotions.

3 minutes ago, Daniel Lucas said:

Also I have a tip his PM was with Aiden.

What tip is this? This might be interesting.

Just now, Joshua Levitt said:

you are getting defensive of Daniel and have been other times as well, and flat out believing his claim fully with no proof of anything?

The lack of counterclaim is good enough for me so far, though it would be better (*cough* @Alex Howe *cough*) to have a little more info.

3 minutes ago, Daniel Lucas said:

FOR FUCKING SAKE, JUST LYNCH ONE OF US ALREADY.

Not today, thanks, I'd rather lynch Joshua.

7 minutes ago, Justin Reynaud said:

As for Daniel's claim. If he is who he says he is, then he seems to be playing true to his nature as we saw in the last game.

Robert wasn't a haughty asshole. Which is unfortunate for us now.

[Fred Dumont]

Just now, Daniel Lucas said:

I am saying who I am. Check my first post in this thread:

which reads: Howe Jailed. Now check Robert's first post in D2 Pirates II.

Just lynch one of us ALREADY. The other one is lying.

Cool. Anyone can do acrostics.

Just now, Fabien Bellamy said:

Then lots of players asked for a confirmation. Who was Daniel's target? Can the target verify there were blocked? This is big time fishing. In any other game this would have looked extremely suspicious. But now people seem to assume that everybody has PRs, and that claiming one has a role is inconsequential. I don't know what to make of it, still I'm not one comfortable with everyone claiming just in order to verify Daniel. If Daniel's target has indeed been blocked, it doesn't prove that Daniel is Town, only that Daniel knows that a Blocker has targeted them last night. On the other hand, it does reveal whether the target has a night action. This far, it seems that the target (Alex) has been silent on the matter, and it's probably for the best. Let them share that information with people they trust and not publicly. If Daniel is verified somehow, then I trust that the information will travel behind the scenes and that he won't be lynched. But if there are inconsistencies with his claims, then let that be known through trusted channels.

To be fair, I'm assuming everyone has roles based off of the last game by our glorious, benevolent leader Bobert. I don't think everyone should claim, but if Mr. Lucas says he targeted somebody, and we are considering lynching him, his publicly stated target should state what happened in the night. Alex Howe has not said anything either way.

[Daniel Lucas]

Guys stop fucking around please  This is an obvious situation. I claim Jailer. I point out Vincent could've not trust only one person. He and Aiden were sucking each others decks since D1. Vincent says he had his reasons.

This is now either a fucking lie or a direct claim of being Masons with Aiden. GREAT. We just need to lynch Vincent. If he turns up scum, we lynch Aiden as well. If he is Town, Aiden is confirmed mason. Then you can lynch ME.

And 3 of your most loudest players will be cleared and the game can go on with one confirmed player. Stop. fucking. around. (thank you).

Just now, Fred Dumont said:

Cool. Anyone can do acrostics.

Did you? Did anyone of you notice? Did anyone of you did it the same way? No.

[Emmett Ware]

7 minutes ago, Fabien Bellamy said:

I find your statement odd right there (emphasis mine). I think that roleclaiming is a Townie thing to do when you're about to be lyched. It's also a strategy that could be used by Scum, but why trying to save his butt would be an unhelpful thing for Daniel to do if he's Town?

If he's town, revealing a role basically renders it useless in the future. It would certainly tell the scum that they need to deal with him in the night. If he's scum, he'll say anything to survive and continue to create confusion, like suggesting other people be lynched before him and then offering himself as the final sacrifice if it all goes wrong.

Which is exactly what he's now done. 

[Daniel Lucas]

Just now, Emmett Ware said:

Which is exactly what he's now done. 

I've just told you the most logical scenario you have to play out. I'm not walking out of this alive this way if I'm wrong. At worst, you have to sacrifice one mason to kill me. And the other mason is getting confirmed which is Aiden. If Vincent is scum however, it is now confirmed that Aiden is another scum not his mason buddy, because I've just pointed out: Vincent had no reason as town to trust only one person with sending a PM. Vincent juts confessed Aiden is the one with the PM. Which means they are either lying or the must be mason. There is no other way.

Also if they are masons, they've should play the same manner as I did. Live acronym messages behind with the same method which they can point out the same time if either of them getting lynched. There is thousands of way to do this without anybody reading every letter one by one. This is the most classic and basic Mason play every pro player does in a serious mafia game. I even did it while being alone, see. I was trying to leave that to the endgame because for lonely towns it is the best tool to utilize at the end, when you want to prove you have zero contradictions. But I had to claim to wake you guys up and it is still half-good for meta gaming.

That's it. We have to Lynch Vincent first, because it'll confirm Aiden right at the spot if Vincent turns town. If Vincent is scum Aiden must be scum too. If Vincent is town, you can get rid of me. But if I'm right, we nail two scums just as I've been saying for a week now.

[Jean Pelley]

Just now, Daniel Lucas said:

This is the most classic and basic Mason play every pro player does in a serious mafia game.

Ah, well they'res your problem. I'm here to have a good time and laugh over some jokes and figure out who the scum are along the way. Imagine if David Beckham got on his toddlers' case over strategy during five-a-side in the back garden . Just stop it. You're harshing my mellow.

[Peter Lyon]

I still think Fred's among the scummiest right now.  I think some of his more recent comments ping me less, but it's the earlier behavior that bothers me.  First, asking for the lynch/no-lynch stance but not commenting until others had.  Later, following other people's votes around.  Lastly, pushing hard for Alex to confirm/deny Daniel's claim.

 

In the meantime, Vote: Joshua Levitt

The lynch on Joshua is stalling out and I think there's something to the charges against him.  I don't much care to nitpick someone's actions when they aren't feeling well, which is why I've held off on joining to this point, but I don't want us to lose momentum here given that he is still suspicous.

 

The interesting thing to me right now about the Daniel/Vincent thing is that Daniel is pushing hard for us to lynch Vincent and, eventually Aiden, but they are no longer pushing hard to lynch Daniel.

Just now, Emmett Ware said:

If he's town, revealing a role basically renders it useless in the future. It would certainly tell the scum that they need to deal with him in the night. If he's scum, he'll say anything to survive and continue to create confusion, like suggesting other people be lynched before him and then offering himself as the final sacrifice if it all goes wrong.

Which is exactly what he's now done. 

This is really the first thing that's making me seriously consider voting for Daniel despite his claim.  However, I don't think the scum will automatically target Daniel if he's town... they'll only do so if they think he's a real threat and they're confident he won't be watched.

Just now, Jean Pelley said:

Ah, well they'res your problem. I'm here to have a good time and laugh over some jokes and figure out who the scum are along the way.

C'mon man, this is life and DEATH!  

[Vincent Denis]

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 Oh my God, what? I'm neither scum nor a mason. My reasoning for sending the messages to Aiden has already been stated but I'll state it again for the guy who berates everyone for not reading everything, but doesn't appear to be reading everything himself: If Daniel was scum, the one person who would clearly not be on his team was Aiden. 

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[Fabien Bellamy]

22 minutes ago, Vincent Denis said:

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Since someone rational has asked, It was Aiden. Aiden was the only other person I spoke with and relaying the messages to him was a concrete plan as if anybody is town, if Daniel is scum (besides me, of course) is Aiden. They're clearly not on the same team. I'll copy the PMs if you really want to see them.

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In what world would he make this guess at my identity? If he's a noob, and I believe he is who he says he is, then how would he guess I'm Hinckley unless someone else had made the same guess and said it to him. Hinckley played as Ethan in the last game and the style he chose to play in that game was vastly different from how I'm posting. This came 24 hours into the night phase. That's plenty of time for the scum team to be like "I think you're talking to Hinckley." I don't immediately understand how he would associate me with Hinckley but I do know that I'm posting differently than he posted in the last game. Should I ignore this or is there something there?

And if anybody wants to see the PMs with Aiden, just ask. I don't want to dump another wall of text into this thread unless people really want to see it.

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Well he's probably not the only one who thought you might be Hinckley, regardless of whether it's true or not! And despite your efforts to post differently than he did in the last game.

 

12 minutes ago, Daniel Lucas said:

I am saying who I am. Check my first post in this thread:

which reads: Howe Jailed. Now check Robert's first post in D2 Pirates II.

Just lynch one of us ALREADY. The other one is lying.

Clever. I guess it's a good plan as you were expecting some scrutiny today. But it doesn't prove that you were Town, only that you were ready to claim.

 

3 minutes ago, Daniel Lucas said:

Guys stop fucking around please  This is an obvious situation. I claim Jailer. I point out Vincent could've not trust only one person. He and Aiden were sucking each others decks since D1. Vincent says he had his reasons. 

This is now either a fucking lie or a direct claim of being Masons with Aiden. GREAT. We just need to lynch Vincent. If he turns up scum, we lynch Aiden as well. If he is Town, Aiden is confirmed mason. Then you can lynch ME. 

And 3 of your most loudest players will be cleared and the game can go on with one confirmed player. Stop. fucking. around. (thank you). 

Did you? Did anyone of you notice? Did anyone of you did it the same way? No.

My understanding is that Vincent believed that you and Aiden couldn't be on the same team given your interactions yesterday. Did I miss some evidence of there being more to it? Did Vincent ever mention other reasons to trust Aiden? How did this become a Masonry?

[Daniel Lucas]

Peter, have you read what I've just said? Vincent and Aiden are confirmed buddy liars or confirmed buddy masons. This is now almost auto game.

1 hour ago, Daniel Lucas said:

So you sent it to one person. A townie would NEVER trust only one person, and you are an experienced player. You need it to send at least FIVE other players to be sure

1 hour ago, Vincent Denis said:

If anybody else has any concern about it, I'm more than happy to post that PM conversation as well. Makes sense to me why I copied it to just one person

46 minutes ago, Vincent Denis said:

And if anybody wants to see the PMs with Aiden, just ask.

There is no way they are town and not masons at this point.

Again if you start the lynch with me and they were lying, they are going to twist the shit out of it not even mentioning this again. But if they are masons, it is now a clear way to confirm at least one of them. And if Vincent turns out town, they were truly masons. Then you kill me next game right away and you have Aiden as confirmed town mason.

[Trenton Monette]

So Vincent and Aiden aren't masons? F*cking hell 

[Daniel Lucas]

Just now, Vincent Denis said:

 Oh my God, what? I'm neither scum nor a mason. My reasoning for sending the messages to Aiden has already been stated but I'll state it again for the guy who berates everyone for not reading everything, but doesn't appear to be reading everything himself: If Daniel was scum, the one person who would clearly not be on his team was Aiden. 

WHY WOULD YOU TRUST AIDEN JUST BECAUSE I'M AN ASS? You are not masons? Then you are a fool or a fucking liar scum. This is OBVIOUS.

It was N1 JESUS. You had no reason to send the PM only to Aiden if you are not masons. You had no confirmed nigth action read.

[Vincent Denis]

Just now, Daniel Lucas said:

Then you are a fool or a fucking liar scum. 

Guess I'm a fool, then.

*Fwom fwom*

[Daniel Lucas]

Just now, Vincent Denis said:

Guess I'm a fool, then.

*Fwom fwom*

Yes. With years of experience. You just send a backup PM the one person who protected you. Because you never thought about a Scum attacking Scum move. Oh wait:

On 4/6/2020 at 11:03 PM, Vincent Denis said:

I read in our annals of a recent incursion on a clipper named The Enterprise, where the first poke vote was by scum and for scum.

 

You are so done Vincent. I mean it.