Pirates Mafia III - Day Two

[Aiden Leon]

Just now, Jean Pelley said:

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[Daniel Lucas]

Again empty memeposts to push the thread away from my arguments. Classic, everything is oldschool classic scum play.

 

Just for your information town and I'll be really out of this game until the clock hits:

Since Vincent't already tried to fish for it and called it out directly on D1 with the 4th wall breaking shit talk, and if it was not obvious already because of my native language not being english:

I was the Trumpeter of the previous game, yes. And I was behaving the very same way, and it was me who pinpointed Paul as a suspect D1 page 3 only by three posts he made. And surprise surprise he was indeed a motherf*cking SCUM. If Reginald would've not played around acting like a total scum like a newbie Town player would (considering he asked about the meaning of WIFOM afterwards suggests he was truly a beginner, so I'm kind of sorry for that), we could've have pinned Paul on the very first day. And needed zero night actions for that, duh.

The scum will reveal itself with its totally recognizable twist talk almost every time, so Town's only job is to stay concise and READ. Most of the Scum win games are actually not a win by the Scum but a total lose by the Town not doing its job. This is a general symptom of other mafia platform games as well.

Considering that these schmucks were main Town players and they had absolutely no problem with my playing style back then, just confirms me even more. You guys are obvious. Your only advantage that you can coordinate your lousy labeling campaign together, while Paul was alone. And considering that we might truly have some newbie Town players it works very well. It shouldn't. Again, with better games one you guys whould've been nailed by now.

Also it is a bit unfair, because I think Bob just put the more experienced and active players as scum not to get the same results with Pirates II. It can easily mean you guys are trolling the shit out of newer players with your own inbred eurobricks meta. Which I found personally totally dated, but I'm on a my high horse, yes. It has some interesting parts, I just think you were playing too much with yourselves.

Also you've started it, so you how do you like my 4th wall breaking meta game, you Scum?

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[Fred Dumont]

15 minutes ago, Daniel Lucas said:

I was the Trumpeter of the previous game, yes. And I was behaving the very same way, and it was me who pinpointed Paul as a suspect D1 page 3 only by three posts he made. And surprise surprise he was indeed a motherf*cking SCUM. If Reginald would've not played around acting like a total scum like a newbie Town player would (considering he asked about the meaning of WIFOM afterwards suggests he was truly a beginner, so I'm kind of sorry for that), we could've have pinned Paul on the very first day. And needed zero night actions for that, duh.

I don't care or remember who was what last game. And it shouldn't matter. Dear god it absolutely should not matter. This is a new game, and if Bob made a new game aand didn't shuffle around people, we can all as a game talk about that later, but let's not be revealing who we are off of metagaming like this. By that I mean by saying who we were in the last game by the same host.

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The scum will reveal itself with its totally recognizable twist talk almost every time, so Town's only job is to stay concise and READ.Most of the Scum win games are actually not a win by the Scum but a total lose by the Town not doing its job. This is a general symptom of other mafia platform games as well.

Yes and no. Scum has infiltrated the Town block before multiple times. Some times it was sheer luck they won. This logic you've put forth is bull, in my opinion. In anonymous games, I don't think that is always the case. In games where metagaming is easier, yeah It's definitely more likely your thoughts are plausible.

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Considering that these schmucks were main Town players and they had absolutely no problem with my playing style back then, just confirms me even more. You guys are obvious. Your only advantage that you can coordinate your lousy labeling campaign together, while Paul was alone. And considering that we might truly have some newbie Town players it works very well. It shouldn't. Again, with better games one you guys whould've been nailed by now.

But how do we know who you are? You could be pretending to be anyone in an anonymous game. And with everyone not being able to talk during the day, it makes your idea of who is scum weaker. Normally, I think you would be right.

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Also it is a bit unfair, because I think Bob just put the more experienced and active players as scum not to get the same results with Pirates II. It can easily mean you guys are trolling the shit out of newer players with your own inbred eurobricks meta. Which I found personally totally dated, but I'm on a my high horse, yes. It has some interesting parts, I just think you were playing too much with yourselves.

This is my biggest issue, not just for this game but EB as a whole. If you've got an issue with this game, keep it to yourself and bring it up with the host until the game ends. This reeks of "I'm not getting my way."

But to be fair, it is valid. EB main games have a meta, and EB anonymous have another meta. You, Mr. Lucas, bringing it up have made me belive you are an older member based on you mentioning meta.

I do not believe Bob would consciously put old members together. If it was random, sure. But your accusations seem to go against previous games where "older members" have been had. AND if you do think the game was unfair from the get-go, you should have mentioned it to the gamehost. But I think this is a discussion that should and can happen later. Your posts make it appear (whether true or not) that Bob made old participants be scum, and we should not lynch you because you're not old

Going back to the game,

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Also you've started it, so you how do you like my 4th wall breaking meta game, you Scum?

Anyone and everyone can break fourth wall, as we've seen. Scum and town both should ignore this. I really hate that I love this game sometimes.,

[Daniel Lucas]

Just now, Fred Dumont said:

But how do we know who you are? You could be pretending to be anyone in an anonymous game. And with everyone not being able to talk during the day, it makes your idea of who is scum weaker. Normally, I think you would be right.

I have proof of this.

[Vincent Denis]

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Now that he's done for the day, let's take a look at the people who are hiding behind Daniel's walls of text.

Joshua, who has a few votes for him, came in and said he hates arguing because it has the potential to give him headaches. While I believe this is true, it's also an easy spot for him to pop up, seem a little active, and then coast by as Daniel continues to fill page after page with his ramblings. You can hate arguments, get headaches and still be scum.

Justin has also disappeared after coming in and voting for me. Again, this is an "under the radar" position that is easy enough to validate with all of the nonsense and chaos occurring around Daniel. He's already told us he's reading every post and choosing not to chime in.

Both of these guys could easily be sitting back and watching the fireworks, happy to have some cover for them to continue to fly under. We also have Fabien, Peter and Alex not being very active. Anybody could be taking advantage of the atmosphere that's been created, and I take ownership of my part in it. I'm doing my best to correct that.

I'm not for lynching a claimed town power role, even if it from someone whose posting style is causing chaos. He says he trusts everyone I'm accusing because "everything they've said is concise." And I still don't understand exactly what he finds scummy about me. It's possible he's a scum jailkeeper, but I'm just not sure scum would go after a townie (me) so hard two days in a row. The most troubling thing is that he picks apart everybody who questions him and puts Andrew, Justin, Joshua and Fred into the town column for being concise. Is concise a town tell?

I guess I do have one question for Daniel, you said you've caught me in half a dozen lies. Where? I'm town and everything I've posted is true. I haven't lied about anything. I'd appreciate some concise clarification on this. Thanks.

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[Daniel Lucas]

15 minutes ago, Fred Dumont said:

I don't care or remember who was what last game. And it shouldn't matter. Dear god it absolutely should not matter. This is a new game, and if Bob made a new game aand didn't shuffle around people, we can all as a game talk about that later, but let's not be revealing who we are off of metagaming like this. By that I mean by saying who we were in the last game by the same host.

Tell the one who started it:

On 4/8/2020 at 6:14 AM, Vincent Denis said:

 Is it because that's the way it works on mafia.gg or whatever 1-minute version of this game you play on your phone that you were talking about in the last game? That's not how it works here, Opie.

 

[Vincent Denis]

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Looking back over the day thread, this pings me:

On 4/11/2020 at 8:36 PM, Andrew Laurent said:

I'm not sure what it'll take to prove to you that I'm a proactive townie and not a smart scum, but I'll keep on trying for however long this scum hunt takes. 

I'm not sure why but I figure it was worth pointing out. If I feel something, maybe somebody outside the interaction can help me pinpoint it. I'm trying to think of when I've tried to prove myself to another townie in a game. I think I typically try to prove myself to all townies, not just one. The word "trying" gets me too. I envision this "trying to prove I'm a proactive townie right up until the last day when I'm the smart scum nobody else suspected. Mwahahaha." Aha! This pings me because it's a true statement no matter what side he's on. Town or scum, he's going to keep trying to prove that he's a proactive townie.  Yeah. I don't like it. 

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[Peter Lyon]

Sorry for having been absent.  My weekend duties around the fort have been far more involved than I would have liked.

On 4/11/2020 at 7:20 PM, Joshua Levitt said:

I never said that, don't use quotes when you aren't actually quoting. I said that I was worried about people talking about non-lynch. Never said anyone was pushing for a no-lynch.  Anyway, it was a no-lynch in the end and everyone ended up having a hand in it, between single votes and no votes.

Actually, you did say that... emphasis mine as that's the part I quoted:

On 4/5/2020 at 6:22 PM, Joshua Levitt said:

Hey everyone, I'm here. Been battling sickness, I don't think it's the plague, thank goodness.

I'm seeing more than one person already pushing for a no-lynch and that's very troubling to me. As some have ready pointed out, it is extremely important and I worry about the motives behind anyone pushing for a no-lynch so early in the investigation.

At any rate, that wasn't really the point of what I was trying to say early this morning.  What I was demonstrating was how many folks were all in favor of lynching day 1 and how few of those folks actually made an effort to get us close to one.

 

As for Daniel's Jailkeeper claim.  I think it's a much safer claim for a scum than claiming blocker.  A town blocker other than Daniel would have to weigh how likely it would be that we'd have both a blocker and a jailkeeper and that it's worth coming out publicly for the scum to know about it.  Alex, whether or not he has a PR, has been relatively quiet (I realize I'm the far blacker pot calling the kettle black here), who could just as well be a scum teammate of Daniel's.  Assuming Alex is town, I would expect him only to chime in if Daniel is lying about blocking him.  If he's vanilla he can't confirm or deny and if he has a PR, the only reason he ought to claim that he was indeed blocked is if Daniel gets close to being lynched and he wants that not to happen.  If Daniel doesn't get close to the votes needed, Alex ought to just stay quiet and let the town PR's sort it out.  Personally, I'm fine with that approach.  The less clarity the scum have the better.

 

 

[Aiden Leon]

Vote: Joshua Levitt

Appologies if I missed the explanation, but I'm still curious why Joshua over Andrew. I don't see any disadvantages, I just don't see the advantages. 

 

[Vincent Denis]

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Just now, Aiden Leon said:

Vote: Joshua Levitt

Appologies if I missed the explanation, but I'm still curious why Joshua over Andrew. I don't see any disadvantages, I just don't see the advantages. 

It'd be helpful if you shared your thoughts about both of them. If you're looking for an explanation, why are you voting?

How many people are suspicious of Andrew at this point? I know Jean has mentioned being suspicious of him. I'm clearly suspicious of him. Joshua's actions are scummy, period. His statement about people pushing for a no-lynch, that actually weren't doing so, seems like someone trying to do enough to appear active and even getting that wrong. Jean is pointing out that Andrew's vote for Michael wasn't directly drawing attention to Joshua and thereby giving himself cover with the coin flip to justify a vote and still not directly implicate Joshua. I think Joshua is scummy enough on his own and I think Jean's case that Andrew was choosing Michael on purpose is an elaborate stretch, but it has merit. This is the type of discussion we actually need to be having. We haven't lynched anyone yet and it's day 2. We really need to get it together here.

I'm applying more caution to lynching Andrew because if I'm wrong, he's clearly a smart player and we need smart townies. If Joshua is town, I'm not saying he's not smart. Just the attempt at flying under the radar makes him seem less useful.

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[Joshua Levitt]

1 hour ago, Vincent Denis said:

If Joshua is town, I'm not saying he's not smart. Just the attempt at flying under the radar makes him seem less useful.

I am town and I'm not attempting to fly under the radar. It's really annoying that i'm being judged by what somebody else is saying/doing. There's simply no defense against it. I don't know why he worded things the way he did, some people are just bad at communication.  I'm definitely one of those people that has a hard time getting my point across, my mind is constantly going in a million directions and my fingers aren't quite as quick  I'd definitely never use lying about headaches as an excuse to not post, and I'll keelhaul anyone who does - it's a serious situation. I try to keep my heartrate low when I can, including not getting too worked up in/by mafia anymore, it helps.

You yourself mention that Daniel shouldn't be considering everyone find suspicious as being town, but your doing the same thing by harping on people from the list of who he finds less likely to be scum. Now that you've shifted everything based on his sudden roleclaim, it's to just get a bandwagon going on the next highest vote count in the list. I don't really think it has anything to do with me at all and is more just wanting to get a lynch and grabbing the easiest bandwagon name on the list since I already had a few votes against me. If someone else had 3 or 4 votes already, it'd be them. 

What's the point in even lynching quiet people? That's what the scum likes because it gives zero information to the town the next day. Why else would they kill the quietest people at night? It's a lot safer to start bandwagons and do night kills on quiet townies than people that have put forth any actual evidence or hypothesis against any of them (or anyone else for that matter) which would risk confirmation upon death.

 

13 hours ago, Peter Lyon said:

Actually, you did say that... emphasis mine as that's the part I quoted:

On 4/5/2020 at 8:22 PM, Joshua Levitt said:

Sorry, my mistake.  I really didn't mean that they were pushing, but apparently I did say it.  

[Vincent Denis]

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Just now, Joshua Levitt said:

I am town and I'm not attempting to fly under the radar. It's really annoying that i'm being judged by what somebody else is saying/doing. There's simply no defense against it. I don't know why he worded things the way he did, some people are just bad at communication.  I'm definitely one of those people that has a hard time getting my point across, my mind is constantly going in a million directions and my fingers aren't quite as quick  I'd definitely never use lying about headaches as an excuse to not post, and I'll keelhaul anyone who does - it's a serious situation. I try to keep my heartrate low when I can, including not getting too worked up in/by mafia anymore, it helps.

I'm not even saying you're lying about it. I said it could be true as town or scum. Regardless, you have only commented on the people pushing/not pushing for a lynch and Daniel distracting everyone from an effective scum hunt. I agree with you there! But are you getting anything from the other discussion? Can you go through the thread and just skip his posts?

Just now, Joshua Levitt said:

You yourself mention that Daniel shouldn't be considering everyone find suspicious as being town, but your doing the same thing by harping on people from the list of who he finds less likely to be scum. Now that you've shifted everything based on his sudden roleclaim, it's to just get a bandwagon going on the next highest vote count in the list. I don't really think it has anything to do with me at all and is more just wanting to get a lynch and grabbing the easiest bandwagon name on the list since I already had a few votes against me. If someone else had 3 or 4 votes already, it'd be them. 

Well, one of them has to come first. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I raised valid suspicions about Andrew, Justin and you without it having anything to do with Daniel. Yes, my suspicion is enhanced by the fact that he's doggedly defending you. Do Ctrl + F on any page and you'll see Andrew's name mentioned many, many more times than he's actually posted. There's a lot of discussion revolving around Andrew, who hasn't really said all that much. Or maybe he has, it's just hard to tell relative to Daniel. When someone is defending someone you're suspicious of, it's worth looking into and as you've mentioned, it's really really hard to look in this particular case. 

6 minutes ago, Joshua Levitt said:

What's the point in even lynching quiet people? That's what the scum likes because it gives zero information to the town the next day. Why else would they kill the quietest people at night? It's a lot safer to start bandwagons and do night kills on quiet townies than people that have put forth any actual evidence or hypothesis against any of them (or anyone else for that matter) which would risk confirmation upon death.

I wish we would've lynched the quietest, most flying-under-the-radar on a ship called The Enterprise but we didn't and that person turned out to be an incredibly patient scum. 

7 minutes ago, Joshua Levitt said:

Sorry, my mistake.  I really didn't mean that they were pushing, but apparently I did say it.  

Sorry for the emoticon, we're missing a pirate wacko and that's what I needed for this. You're not doing yourself any favors by not reading the thread, even if it is due to the Daniel headaches, but you're not even reading your own words? Flying under the radar is one thing. Townies have valid reasons for doing so. But paying such little attention to the day thread indicates you have your focus on night activities.

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A question for everybody: Do any of you understand what Daniel even suspects me for? He says he caught me in half a dozen lies but hasn't clarified, he says I filled almost a whole page with videos/memes where I posted one, accusing me of being distracting. I'm not only seeing him as tunnel-visioned, but desperately pushing with lies now. Why would someone do this? I apologize if this sets him off again, but these are things I think are worth pointing out to everyone and getting some opinions and I hope we can discuss it without Daniel text-wall-bombing us.

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[Daniel Lucas]

On 4/11/2020 at 8:26 AM, Daniel Lucas said:

On 4/11/2020 at 7:44 AM, Vincent Denis said:

You propose that I wasn't afraid of being killed when I was copying our PMs to someone in case I ended up dead.

• You intentionally do not want to say it out loud. You were warning me of telling about the PM attempt the next day. You never mentioned PM-ing to anybody. It was me mentioning it to you. There is the whole discussion quoted by you, so it is obvious you are lying about this if anyone checks it

 

On 4/11/2020 at 9:44 AM, Daniel Lucas said:

On 4/11/2020 at 9:22 AM, Vincent Denis said:

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Followed by six bullet points of suggestive questions. I'd answer them but I hear they are twisting.

None of them were questions except the last one! They were answers to yours.  I'm actually laughing, this is MADNESS. My god, this is just unfair from you at this point. It is so overtwisting it might actually work out for you if you are not getting lynched by this.

 

[Joshua Levitt]

Just now, Vincent Denis said:

But paying such little attention to the day thread indicates you have your focus on night activities.

I don't typically go back and reread things I posted, I always assume I know what i said. Obviously I'm an idiot sometimes and make mistakes like anyone else.  I'm not trying to hide the fact that i was wrong there, it is what it is.

Just now, Vincent Denis said:

Quietly for migraine sufferers: *Fwom fwom fwom fwom*

 thank you

Just now, Vincent Denis said:

Do any of you understand what Daniel even suspects me for? 

I don't understand at all where the fight started other than he thinks we are all idiots and need to learn mafia. You generally feel pretty straightforward to me, maybe he got some intell over the night that he hasn't shared - but if it was truly damning I would hope he would have found some way to share. Since he hasn't, I'm guessing it's just talking in circles like he's been doing for two gamedays already.

5 minutes ago, Vincent Denis said:

But are you getting anything from the other discussion? Can you go through the thread and just skip his posts?

I don't have any particular feels yet, perhaps you're right and I have let the arguments cloud my comprehension and judgements of everyone else. Daniel sucks the fun out of this, but that doesn't mean I should hand the game over the scum by being lazy. I will go back through and ignore all walls of text this time.

1 minute ago, Vincent Denis said:

Do Ctrl + F on any page and you'll see Andrew's name mentioned many, many more times than he's actually posted. There's a lot of discussion revolving around Andrew, who hasn't really said all that much.

Good idea, I'll take a look at Andrew specifically. I really should use the feature more and not try to read everything start to finish every time I try to read it. 

[Daniel Lucas]

Just now, Joshua Levitt said:

I don't understand at all where the fight started other than he thinks we are all idiots and need to learn mafia.

No. I just need you to read everything from the beginning. 

[Vincent Denis]

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On 4/11/2020 at 1:26 AM, Daniel Lucas said:

You intentionally do not want to say it out loud. You were warning me of telling about the PM attempt the next day. You never mentioned PM-ing to anybody. It was me mentioning it to you.

You are the one lying.

On 4/9/2020 at 7:57 PM, Vincent Denis said:

Because people ignore those walls of text. PM every player right now and ask them to do you the favor of responding to your accusations and for them to be honest if they didn't read them and if not, why not? Ask them as a player, not the character and tell them you just want to know for the sake of being a better player and see what they say....

Honestly, PM every player and ask them what they think about your case against me and your posts. Seriously. I think it will help you gain some perspective.

On 4/9/2020 at 11:54 PM, Daniel Lucas said:

For your information I PM'd around some before you even without suggestion and yes, I've got the feeling that you'd be truly Town. 

(Emphasis added) Why would you lie about this when, as you've said, everybody can see it?

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[Daniel Lucas]

Just now, Vincent Denis said:

You are the one lying.

To how many people did you copy our PM discussion?

[Fred Dumont]

27 minutes ago, Vincent Denis said:

A question for everybody: Do any of you understand what Daniel even suspects me for? He says he caught me in half a dozen lies but hasn't clarified, he says I filled almost a whole page with videos/memes where I posted one, accusing me of being distracting. I'm not only seeing him as tunnel-visioned, but desperately pushing with lies now. Why would someone do this? I apologize if this sets him off again, but these are things I think are worth pointing out to everyone and getting some opinions and I hope we can discuss it without Daniel text-wall-bombing us.

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This is why I believe(d) earlier that one of you is scum. There's too much air being wasted by everyone talking. Although you both could be misguided town.

[Vincent Denis]

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Just now, Daniel Lucas said:

To how many people did you copy our PM discussion?

What does that have to do with it? You're saying you brought up PMs first and that I was lying about doing it, when it's clear I brought up PMing other people first. 

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[Emmett Ware]

30 minutes ago, Vincent Denis said:

A question for everybody: Do any of you understand what Daniel even suspects me for?

No.

31 minutes ago, Vincent Denis said:

A question for everybody: Do any of you understand what Daniel even suspects me for?

Still no.

[Vincent Denis]

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Just now, Fred Dumont said:

This is why I believe(d) earlier that one of you is scum. There's too much air being wasted by everyone talking. Although you both could be misguided town.

Great, thank you. If I'm a misguided townie, what about my behavior suggests being misguided? I'm not challenging you. I'm asking an honest question to help me, and hopefully everybody, gain some perspective here.

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[Daniel Lucas]

Just now, Vincent Denis said:

What does that have to do with it?

It is the ONLY way to prove yourself. Not a single player has confirmed this yet. I ask again, how many people did you send the PM discussion?

Just give us a number.

[Vincent Denis]

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5 minutes ago, Daniel Lucas said:

It is the ONLY way to prove yourself. Not a single player has confirmed this yet. I ask again, how many people did you send the PM discussion?

Just give us a number.

It's been answered. I answered it before it was asked. On page 2, when I posted the PM conversation.

I don't know what your question has to do with anything? I haven't lied about anything. You're saying you caught me lying about mentioning that you should be PMing people, that you brought it up and you didn't. I brought it up. I told you to PM every player and then you said you already had. In what way am I lying about that? You can't deny that's the way it happened. 

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[Joshua Levitt]

Aiden - appears to be massively defending Vincent throughout the day and possibly back to day 1, but why? what proof could he have the vincent is town that would cause him to go on the attack for his fellow? Also, noticed that he quotes but edits the quote majorly before commenting?  Case in point below - which wouldn't quote correctly so I am attaching the image instead.

On 4/11/2020 at 10:09 AM, Aiden Leon said:

That is not a confesion of the belief that Vincent is town.

Daniel - I've only before seen scum be so brash, harsh, and vulgar. Town usually will try to actually help and be a little patient, not calling everyone idiots and braindead. Unrelenting attacks and impossible to follow accusations. In addition to all that he makes the whole thing unpleasant, as many have already pointed out. 
Who says this kind of nonsense? "Obviously they know something" is very suspicious to me.

On 4/11/2020 at 11:43 AM, Daniel Lucas said:

I am honored. Even I start to feel scummy a bit, but I'd still lean to believe those who say I'm a town. Obviously they know something. Quite sad they want to lynch me for it. 

Andrew - He does seem convinced that the biggest talkers are town yet still willing to lynch any of them, that's what I'm seeing. He words things very strangely too, especially saying that it's alright to lose a few folks. I don't agree, i feel that we need all the help we can get to fight and verify and weed out the scum. Every death is just that much closer to a loss of all we hold dear.

Robin - Has made 10 posts but has said nothing. Didn't reply to questions from Daniel (though who can blame him) but did say he would remove his vote and as of yet has failed to do so or to mention why he hasn't.

Justin - Seems clueless but harmless. Poke votes are pretty stupid and even @ing people in an anonymous game since they aren't going to get a notification on their main account. I'm not lurking around on this account just not replying, I'm either here or not here. Maybe it is different for others though, i can't speak to that.

[Daniel Lucas]

On 4/11/2020 at 5:12 AM, Vincent Denis said:

It is at this point I start PMing someone else

So you sent it to one person. A townie would NEVER trust only one person, and you are an experienced player. You need it to send at least FIVE other players to be sure it is going to be revealed (since we don't know we have 3 or 4 scums). Also you asked me to PM everybody, yet you only trust one person. Even not that single player confirmed you. Also it would not prove that you are both not scum. See? A Town player would not make a mistake like that. Your Town answer should have been at least five, and after five players confirm it without adding anything, you'd be cleared.

Also I was lying to you in PM, because I did not want you to kill me. True. But I never denied it in public. It is not the same. I never lied in public.

19 minutes ago, Vincent Denis said:

when it's clear I brought up PMing other people first. 

You brought up asking me to do it, but you never said you are doing it yourself. Instead you warned me you are going to reveal the discussion. Again a Town would never warn me, because it is just suicide if I'm truly scum, and we were still at night so I could've killed you. And since you just said only one person knew about this, you couldn't have known for sure it was not an other scum. And you never mentioned you are PM-ed it to other players. This means you made zero real effort to really defend yourself if I'm scum. Because you were not afraid from the beggining.

Here is the PM discussion (quoted by YOU, so it is not even distorted). Everyone can read it.

At this point it is totally clear that one of us is Scum. If you lynch me, lynch me. But never forget this very post after.

Unvote: Aiden Leon

Vote: Vincent Denis.