Pirates Mafia III - Day Two

[Aiden Leon]

From this.

On 4/7/2020 at 7:50 PM, Daniel Lucas said:

I would be the most surprised here if you'd be turn town now, believe me.

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their respones which were just full on scummy

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If we lynch Aiden and he flips scum, you're next.

To this.

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Ready to work together...Mr Hinck?

 

Also a quick rundown of your gripes with Vincent. The only thing actually worth caring about was the vote switching, which Vincent defended himself against, and I found his explanation adequate.

On 4/7/2020 at 8:50 PM, Daniel Lucas said:

Not the fwoomings, the insults, the personal remarks, the vote switch, his whole erratic behaviour and quoting "blah blah" from me.

On 4/7/2020 at 10:19 PM, Daniel Lucas said:

His constantly confusing fwooming, insulting, face punching, sarcasm, totally emotional and erratic tantrums and vote switching

On 4/8/2020 at 11:15 AM, Daniel Lucas said:

reply in a patient, unpersonal, non-sarcastic and clear manner.

 

 

 

 

29 minutes ago, Daniel Lucas said:

Town is very fortunate that you've managed to clear things up so exhaustively about it tough.

See above.

31 minutes ago, Daniel Lucas said:

I've clearly contributed quite a lot of arguments

Again, see above. 

33 minutes ago, Daniel Lucas said:

Also I have already 3 votes, so you may want to jump on this anytime soon, don't you?

Why rush it?

If a lynch isn't settled upon right now then discussion will hopefuly continue.

[Aiden Leon]

Right now I'm interested in the others who voted for me towards the end of yesterday. Especially Fred with that recent comment trying to setup tommorows lynch as if he knows how you'll flip. Speaking of which I'm very divided on how you'll flip. Yesterday you were a pain in the ass who was likely town, but now with this PM bit I'm thinking it could be very likely your scum. Either way I wouldn't forgo lynching you because you would continue to be a unignorable itch in the backround I'd constatntly be wondering about.

[Alex Howe]

Oh no, Captain Blaise!!  What an awful way to go!  Although if promotions will be made, I should note I am an eager and talented young recruit ready for the challenges of being an officer!  Mum will be so proud if I make Captain so fast!

 I'll try to shout less today, my excitement to be here has been tainted a bit by the first death of one of our own.  Captain Blaise seems like an easy scum kill with little risk, taking out someone non-controversial that won't stir up much discussion.  Thinking through the scum reasoning for doing so, seems to me they either want to encourage more of the lengthy and distracting discussion that was going on yesterday as they found that sufficiently chaotic to hide in, or they thought taking out someone more involved in discussion would be too risky for them.  Leaving Mr Denis and Mr Lucas to argue things out during the day gives them time to thin numbers by killing others at night, as day lynches of each of Mr Vincent and Mr Lucas would take two days to get through, whereas killing one at night and lynching the other the next day (were the night death to implicate the other as scum, which it could well have done), takes one less day.  If one of them is scum, I am sure they would rather have the extra day of buffer to mount a defense, and easier to argue that the surviving one is a townie following a day lynch rather than following a scum kill.  So if one is scum, easier to survive this by getting the other lynched during the day.  Mr Denis raised valid concerns about night PMing which has set the stage for a potential lynch of Mr Lucas.  Should Mr Lucas flip town, I think Mr Denis would have an easier time of brushing that off than were Mr Denis to be lynched and Mr Lucas to survive him.  In my mind, the scum would probably prefer Mr Denis to be lynched today, it makes the case against Mr Lucas tomorrow a lot easier (assuming both are town).  If one is scum, they will not want to be too direct in pushing for the lynch of the other.  Note Mr Dumont's comment which does exactly the opposite.  Very suggestive if both were to flip town.

The above makes Mr Lucas' assertions about lying in his nighttime PMs a bit odd, it seems like a weak argument to try and set the firing squad on Mr Denis today.

Based on the above and with a few votes against Mr Lucas, Mr Denis do you think that is the right course of action?  Or should we be looking at one of the other suspects?  There is the discussion of how Mr Levitt and Mr Laurent have acted.  I also still find Mr Tremblay's vote yesterday very troubling and his vote today against Mr Lucas does not make me feel more comfortable really, almost like an attempt to get the bandwagon rolling while it appears easy to do so.  Mr Dumont's comment supports that although I note he did vote for Mr Tremblay yesterday, yet he is following his vote today.  That is rather odd.  There was no chance of a majority yesterday, so perhaps his vote yesterday was to try and disconnect himself from Mr Tremblay? A bit obvious though to then vite immediately after him, unless the scum are keen to build a swift bandwagon and then point at Mr Denis tomorrow as being the one that presented the evidence for it.  Hmm.

[Daniel Lucas]

33 minutes ago, Aiden Leon said:

If a lynch isn't settled upon right now then discussion will hopefuly continue.

Yes. I'll be here, eager to see your active discussion.

[Aiden Leon]

Just now, Daniel Lucas said:

Yes. I'll be here, eager to see your active discussion.

Wow, totally not a threat of harasment.

I trust you have more to add than that?

[Daniel Lucas]

1 minute ago, Aiden Leon said:

Wow, totally not a threat of harasment.

I trust you have more to add than that?

Didn't you forget to add more multiposts to dilute the discussion even more? Come on, after your D1 performance surely you can do better.

[Aiden Leon]

3 minutes ago, Daniel Lucas said:

Didn't you forget to add more multiposts to dilute the discussion even more? Come on, after your D1 performance surely you can do better.

I'll take that as a no.

So now that you've been humbled by the fact that no one followed your lead of wanting to lynch one us and looking towards being on todays chopping block, you won't defend yourself?

Do you stand by the idea that Vincent should have been lynched because of his usage of sarcasm?

Why did you go from repeatedly stating that you thought Vincent was scum to wanting to work with him?

I'm of the opinion that your PM to him was intended as a threat of further harasment if he did not shut up or comply.

[Justin Reynaud]

15 hours ago, Vincent Denis said:

Justin, I asked you questions at the end of day 1 and I'd appreciate a response that goes beyond "I got people talking," please. 

Here is what you said at the end of day 1:

On 4/8/2020 at 1:52 PM, Vincent Denis said:

That's not what you originally said. You said you agreed with Andrew's reasoning and Andrew's reasoning was that the poke vote gets the person being voted for to start talking. I've already laid this point out for you and you ignored it. If you've been eating popcorn and supposedly reading what's happened between Daniel and me, why'd you ignore the points I made about your behavior when I voted for you?

My original and follow up reason for poke-voting was to get data, i.e. people talking so we could analyse what they said later. Here's the specific comment I made first:

On 4/5/2020 at 7:24 PM, Justin Reynaud said:

We dare not waste a chance to killer one of the intruders. And at the very least it allows us data to work off of in future days.

I don't understand what else you want. The point I made was talking is good. The point you are laying out is that I said getting people to talk is good. Where is the disagreement? All of this insistence on getting answers to questions I've already answered is a great scum play to make a townie look guilty.You, Vincent, ping very hard as scum to me.

 

15 hours ago, Aiden Leon said:

I'll say it again for the billionth time. I was not in the defense of Vincent but the offense of Daniel.

You keeping using the words "defense" and "offense," but you're very inconsistent about it. Let me remind you of what you said on day 1:

On 4/7/2020 at 7:03 AM, Aiden Leon said:

I suppose you also need clarification as to the difference between offence and deffence. You may view it as the latter but I claim it to be the former.

and

On 4/7/2020 at 7:25 AM, Aiden Leon said:

I viewed your actions as being on the offense against Vincent, but I can view this no other way than you being on the defense of Andrew and Justin!

Call it offensive, call it defensive, it doesn't matter. You swooped in to fully agree with with Vincent and attack those who thought him scummy. You seem to have a little more of a level head on your shoulders today, but your lack of answers to the day 1 claims against you plus your unhelpful comments so far today still pings me as scummy. It make it easier for future readers, You, Aiden, ping as scum to me.

 

6 hours ago, Vincent Denis said:

I agree with everything you're seeing here. It also is worth noting that Justin never gave us any further opinion on Joshua after he showed up. If he truly wanted to get him talking out of concern that he would try to remain silent, he didn't discern anything Joshua said after showing up. And Joshua didn't give me any solid read as a townie. I want to know what's going on with these three as well, but I think Justin would be the better place to focus than Joshua.

"Didn't discern"? What did I not discern about Joshua's comments? And I did give my comments on him:

On 4/6/2020 at 8:46 PM, Justin Reynaud said:

Perhaps you have Joshua Levitt confused with one of the other soldiers? He has only day old scruff for facial hair as far as I can tell. It is true I neglected to bid him hello when I last commented. I have corrected this now. Andrew's poke on Michael remains intact even though it seems obvious now he is the one we are waiting on a replacement for. Is there a reason you want to analysis my vote more than Andrews? It does not seem likely, but could it be that you and Joshua are both scum and you are seeking to defend him in his absence? Joshua has not added much to the discussion yet. Hopefully he is quickly recovering, but just in case he is trying to lay low for some reason my initial poke remains. 

You want everyone to read your walls of text, but you can't be bothered to read my comments? Why are you being so careless? Again, PING!

 

The wall of text war between Daniel and Vincent is making everyone look like they are flying under the radar. Vincent has accused me of flying under the radar and I've been one of the more vocal players! I would love to lynch both of them just to prevent that. But I have to agree with those who have said that could be exactly what the scum want. On the other hand, Daniel and Vincent could be actually working together and just playing a really, really elaborate scum move. So I'm left between a rock and a hard place. I know there are more votes on Daniel right now, but Vincent is pinging me too hard to ignore.

Vote: Vincent Denis

[Daniel Lucas]

Just now, Aiden Leon said:

I'll take that as a no.

So now that you've been humbled by the fact that no one followed your lead of wanting to lynch one us and looking towards being on todays chopping block, you won't defend yourself?

Do you stand by the idea that Vincent should have been lynched because of his usage of sarcasm?

Why did you go from repeatedly stating that you thought Vincent was scum to wanting to work with him?

I'm of the opinion that your PM to him was intended as a threat of further harasment if he did not shut up or comply.

If Vincent is truly town and I'm pretty much Town, wouldn't it be natural to try working together finally?

Also as I said actually I truly was interested about the tuba. Don't you like the tuba out of the sudden now?

Also don't you think I'm still unreasonable?

Also why are you so sure I'm going to the chopping block already? I've got 3 votes, 2 of that was the same oneliner you gave yesterday. "Being unhelpful". Are you creating a bandwagon on this idea?

Are you going to jump on it when the time has come so you can say you did not start it? Because you were talking about policy lynch since:

On 4/8/2020 at 5:41 AM, Aiden Leon said:

My basis for thinking you are town is because I don't think scum wouldn't act like this typically. 

On 4/8/2020 at 7:20 AM, Aiden Leon said:

Things That Bring Joy To Life:

Money

Fame

Love

Policy Lynch

15 hours ago, Aiden Leon said:

No I made it very clear that I wished to lynch you because you were being a pain in the butt. It's called a policy lynch.

Am I slowly turning into a scum so you can even deny that at the end? Or I'm still kind of the annyoing town to you.

[Aiden Leon]

Just now, Justin Reynaud said:

You swooped in to fully agree with with Vincent and attack those who thought him scummy.

You can go ahead and sight those exact instances you seem to be basing your opinion of me off of where I actually agreeded with everything Vincent said in regards to his actual suspicions, which if I recall correctly had to do with poke votes. Because all I remeber doing was stating that I could understand Vincent's explanations unlike Daniel.

 

5 minutes ago, Justin Reynaud said:

You seem to have a little more of a level head on your shoulders today

plus your unhelpful comments so far today

These do not coincide lol.

 

8 minutes ago, Justin Reynaud said:

but your lack of answers to the day 1 claims against you

If you have some actual "claims" you want to question me on then go right ahead.

 

Just now, Daniel Lucas said:

If Vincent is truly town and I'm pretty much Town, wouldn't it be natural to try working together finally?

Obviously. But you never displayed having that opinion of Vincent for the entirety of day one, so why would you all of a sudden magicaly decide he's town?

5 minutes ago, Daniel Lucas said:

Also as I said actually I truly was interested about the tuba. Don't you like the tuba out of the sudden now?

I don't follow you on this. 

7 minutes ago, Daniel Lucas said:

Also don't you think I'm still unreasonable?

Well I was hoping you wouldn't be today.

8 minutes ago, Daniel Lucas said:

Also why are you so sure I'm going to the chopping block already?

Why shouldn't I be? Also didn't you dare me to vote for you already?

10 minutes ago, Daniel Lucas said:

Am I slowly turning into a scum blah blah blah or I'm still kind of the annyoing town to you.

Again you could be either, but I'm to curious to not lynch you. If your a good boy then maybe you'll live a little while longer, but I'm pretty sure eventually people will want to lynch you.

[Daniel Lucas]

5 minutes ago, Aiden Leon said:

Obviously. But you never displayed having that opinion of Vincent for the entirety of day one, so why would you all of a sudden magicaly decide he's town?.

I did:

On 4/8/2020 at 3:50 AM, Daniel Lucas said:

On 4/8/2020 at 3:19 AM, Vincent Denis said:

Don't you think it's weird how far under the radar Justin and Andrew have fallen since you started posting your suspicions of me?

It is weird, yes. I'd very much like to hear from anyone who hasn't voiced any useable opinion since page 2.

But someone was kept repeating that I'm unreasonable. Yes, your tip is good, it was you.

Maybe that was your intention from the beginning? I've accused you because you've defended Vincent from the beginning. Maybe that was all your plan seeing we are already in a moderate argument with each other.

You seemingly always jumped in the perfect times to heat it up a bit.

[Andrew Laurent]

1 hour ago, Alex Howe said:

Captain Blaise seems like an easy scum kill with little risk, taking out someone non-controversial that won't stir up much discussion.  Thinking through the scum reasoning for doing so, seems to me they either want to encourage more of the lengthy and distracting discussion that was going on yesterday as they found that sufficiently chaotic to hide in, or they thought taking out someone more involved in discussion would be too risky for them.  Leaving Mr Denis and Mr Lucas to argue things out during the day gives them time to thin numbers by killing others at night, as day lynches of each of Mr Vincent and Mr Lucas would take two days to get through, whereas killing one at night and lynching the other the next day (were the night death to implicate the other as scum, which it could well have done), takes one less day.  If one of them is scum, I am sure they would rather have the extra day of buffer to mount a defense, and easier to argue that the surviving one is a townie following a day lynch rather than following a scum kill.  So if one is scum, easier to survive this by getting the other lynched during the day. 

I personally believe that Vincent, Daniel, and Aiden are most likely all town. This is based off of years of hunting traitors and seeing how both the town and scum behave. Virtually every time there is aggressive fighting between people, they turn out to both be town. As someone said yesterday, the scum are probably sitting back eating popcorn and just watching the fight. 

If I were a traitor, and assuming they're all town, then I absolutely would have killed someone like poor Remi overnight. No way would I have gone near Vincent, Daniel, or Aiden, since I'd assume lots of town abilities would be watching those 3. Way too easy to get caught. And even more so, I'd LOVE having the fight continue for days so I could keep just cruising along, not having to do much since they're sucking up all the time and energy with their walls of text for everyone to read. 

Now, let's take a look at the possibility that one of the 3 IS a traitor. In that case, if I were also a traitor, I would again not kill off the others, at least not yet. For the same reason - too likely for them to be watched and get caught. I'd have to take the gamble that we as a scum team could push any bandwagon to one of the others. 

I am NOT scum, but I have played one in a previous life. 

As a loyal soldier, if I had to pick one of the 3 to be scum, my bet would be on Vincent. However, as I've said, I think all 3 are town and so I am not voting for any of the 3 unless new reasons show up. 

I think we should ignore the 3 of them for the rest of the day - yesterday and already today they're a distraction. 

[Aiden Leon]

Just now, Daniel Lucas said:

I did:

That is not a confesion of the belief that Vincent is town.

Just now, Andrew Laurent said:

I personally believe that Vincent, Daniel, and Aiden are most likely all town.

I think we should ignore them

[Daniel Lucas]

Just now, Aiden Leon said:

That is not a confesion of the belief that Vincent is town.

I did take on his suggestion to consider looking at something else not just each other.

1 minute ago, Andrew Laurent said:

I think we should ignore the 3 of them for the rest of the day - yesterday and already today they're a distraction. 

Okay, a lot of people said that we're a distraction now. But without it there would be almost no discussion at all. I don't see why a lurker would come forward if we suddenly shut up. Even Trenton and Robin implied that I'm not being helpful but me talking does not block their ability to talk as well and they were completely silent D1 and even today. 

But fair enough, let's give it a try.

Fabien had only about 2 or 3 posts until now for example. We've all very much forgot about him.

[Aiden Leon]

7 minutes ago, Daniel Lucas said:

You seemingly always jumped in the perfect times to heat it up a bit.

Your just angry you didn't drop it earlier

Just now, Daniel Lucas said:

But fair enough, let's give it a try.

Case in point. 

 

Just now, Daniel Lucas said:

I did take on his suggestion to consider looking at something else not just each other.

That is not a confesion of the belief that Vincent is town.

[Vincent Denis]

*Fwom fwom fwom fwom-fwom-a-ram*

1 hour ago, Alex Howe said:

Based on the above and with a few votes against Mr Lucas, Mr Denis do you think that is the right course of action? 

Great question. I have thought a lot about Daniel's actions last night and his lies about them today. He only admitted he lied when I asked others to confirm his story. I find Fred very scummy and he's voting for Daniel which threw me off. Thinking about it, if Daniel was directed by his scum team to contact me and try to smooth things over and/or get a role claim out of me, then they are likely disappointed by the results and would be able to see that his lying might get him lynched. So, Fred and Daniel can conceivably be on the same team and Fred is doing his best to distance himself by voting for Daniel early. My biggest concern continues to be Justin, who Daniel jumped in to defend yesterday. I am not ready to vote as I'd like to see how more people respond to what is happening here. Justin, while I was composing my reply to you, posted even more pings for me.

22 minutes ago, Justin Reynaud said:

My original and follow up reason for poke-voting was to get data, i.e. people talking so we could analyse what they said later. Here's the specific comment I made first:

Weird that you left out your actual reason from your self-quote. Here's your full quote:

On 4/5/2020 at 7:24 PM, Justin Reynaud said:

I think a day 1 lynch is critical. We dare not waste a chance to killer one of the intruders. And at the very least it allows us data to work off of in future days. I find Andrew's logic about poke votes to be sound. Since he has already voted for Michael, I will vote for Joshua.

Vote: Joshua Levitt

Yet, you only quoted the part about not wasting a chance to killer one of the intruders. So, you're saying that your vote was to killer Joshua, who you believed to be an intruder? But, if you thought he was an intruder, you never responded to anything he posted. You thought he was an intruder for not posting up to the point where you voted for him? As Jean demonstrated, Andrew was trying to keep mention away from Joshua. You seem to be distancing yourself from him, are you and Tweedledee on the same team with Joshua? Your followup reason says nothing of killering an intruder, nor does it make mention of Andrew's actual reasoning for poke-voting Michael.

On 4/6/2020 at 2:19 PM, Justin Reynaud said:

I know not this Warren Pratt you speak of. Though I have seen in the fort records that he was a soldier here not that long ago.

And I am not understanding your 2nd question. Why should I listen to someone else's reasoning? Because that's what we all do... and it was sound reasoning... My vote was a poke to get people talking. I'm glad I succeeded 

How was your knowledge of foresight so keen that you would poke-vote a player who hadn't posted and it would get other people talking? None of your reasons for your vote on Joshua make any sense. I don't buy that you voted for Joshua to get everyone besides him to talk. It sounds more like I was right on with my idea that you were just trying to appear useful and didn't unvote Joshua when I pointed out you hadn't, so you wouldn't seem on the defensive. Truly, the idea that keeping your vote there would cause more discussion is likewise ludicrous.

22 minutes ago, Justin Reynaud said:

Call it offensive, call it defensive, it doesn't matter. You swooped in to fully agree with with Vincent and attack those who thought him scummy. You seem to have a little more of a level head on your shoulders today, but your lack of answers to the day 1 claims against you plus your unhelpful comments so far today still pings me as scummy. It make it easier for future readers, You, Aiden, ping as scum to me.

And Daniel has certainly swooped in to defend you and Andrew. He posted twice about you being "straightforward" and "right on." And you don't find his defense of you odd?

22 minutes ago, Justin Reynaud said:

You want everyone to read your walls of text, but you can't be bothered to read my comments? Why are you being so careless? Again, PING!

Point taken and I apologize for misunderstanding your last line about Joshua. As I've said, I don't expect anyone to read these walls of text and have tried, several times, to point that out to Daniel. Daniel throwing a wall of text at every syllable I utter is distracting for me too. I responded to a lot of what he said because I'm trying to point out the ridiculousness of his accusations to others and if he's town, the ridiculousness of his behavior to him. I am trying to be more concise. I know these walls of texts aren't helpful for the town as I've said repeatedly. And while your explanation of poking Joshua further so he doesn't try to stay under the radar makes more sense to me, you gave two reasons in that post that you quoted:

On 4/6/2020 at 8:46 PM, Justin Reynaud said:

My vote was a poke to get everyone talking, not just Joshua. And people are still talking, so I see no reason to remove it just yet. Though I imagine a more suitable candidate will present himself before the day is over.

Hopefully he is quickly recovering, but just in case he is trying to lay low for some reason my initial poke remains. 

Your poke vote was meant to get everyone talking, as I've said, makes no sense. And you say you won't remove it because people are still talking. And while you finally give a sound reason for leaving your vote on Joshua in your last statement, you say above that that you think a more suitable candidate will present himself. So, you don't think Joshua was a suitable candidate? And what do you think of his activity today? What has he done since then to convince you he's not trying to lay low?

*Fwom fwom fwomma fwomma fwomma fwomma fwom fwom Fwooooooooooom Fwooooooooooooooom Fwooooooooooooooom*

[Justin Reynaud]

1 hour ago, Aiden Leon said:

1 hour ago, Justin Reynaud said:

You seem to have a little more of a level head on your shoulders today

plus your unhelpful comments so far today

These do not coincide lol.

Somehow I knew you would misunderstand this! The level headed-ness I referred to was you being less emotionally reactive. That doesn't mean you are being a model citizen today.

1 hour ago, Aiden Leon said:

You can go ahead and sight those exact instances you seem to be basing your opinion of me off of where I actually agreeded with everything Vincent said in regards to his actual suspicions, which if I recall correctly had to do with poke votes. Because all I remeber doing was stating that I could understand Vincent's explanations unlike Daniel.

I'm not going to do your work for you if you want to clear your name from all suspicion. But I will give you my claim that you never answered:

On 4/8/2020 at 8:24 AM, Justin Reynaud said:

But, through all of the arguments what pings me the most is Aiden. I think both Daniel and Vincent are toxic right now. So to have anyone jump to their defense strikes me as odd.

On 4/7/2020 at 9:56 PM, Aiden Leon said:

And again right now I am in the offense of you and not as much the defense of Vincent. I'm pretty sure I've understood everything Vincent has explained to you so far, But the main factor that I'm focusing on right now is that no matter what he says to explain himself, or whatever anyone else that you've set your eyes on as says, you'll disagree with them and call them scum for it.

 

His explanations for why he is defending Vincent seem too simple for a townie looking to contribute. Granted, he may have just gotten caught up in the debate early on and is now looking to defend his choices. But it doesn't look that way to me.

So far you've only stated that you didn't defend Vincent. If you want to play that game, then instead answer why you think Daniel is scum. Your one liners have come across as too simplistic so far. Again, it could be you have just gotten caught up in the text-wall battle. But I haven't seen anything from you that seems to clear your name.

 

18 minutes ago, Vincent Denis said:

Weird that you left out your actual reason from your self-quote. Here's your full quote:

Yet, you only quoted the part about not wasting a chance to killer one of the intruders. So, you're saying that your vote was to killer Joshua, who you believed to be an intruder? But, if you thought he was an intruder, you never responded to anything he posted. You thought he was an intruder for not posting up to the point where you voted for him? As Jean demonstrated, Andrew was trying to keep mention away from Joshua. You seem to be distancing yourself from him, are you and Tweedledee on the same team with Joshua? Your followup reason says nothing of killering an intruder, nor does it make mention of Andrew's actual reasoning for poke-voting Michael.

How was your knowledge of foresight so keen that you would poke-vote a player who hadn't posted and it would get other people talking? None of your reasons for your vote on Joshua make any sense. I don't buy that you voted for Joshua to get everyone besides him to talk. It sounds more like I was right on with my idea that you were just trying to appear useful and didn't unvote Joshua when I pointed out you hadn't, so you wouldn't seem on the defensive. Truly, the idea that keeping your vote there would cause more discussion is likewise ludicrous.

*snip*

Point taken and I apologize for misunderstanding your last line about Joshua. As I've said, I don't expect anyone to read these walls of text and have tried, several times, to point that out to Daniel. Daniel throwing a wall of text at every syllable I utter is distracting for me too. I responded to a lot of what he said because I'm trying to point out the ridiculousness of his accusations to others and if he's town, the ridiculousness of his behavior to him. I am trying to be more concise. I know these walls of texts aren't helpful for the town as I've said repeatedly. And while your explanation of poking Joshua further so he doesn't try to stay under the radar makes more sense to me, you gave two reasons in that post that you quoted:

Your poke vote was meant to get everyone talking, as I've said, makes no sense. And you say you won't remove it because people are still talking. And while you finally give a sound reason for leaving your vote on Joshua in your last statement, you say above that that you think a more suitable candidate will present himself. So, you don't think Joshua was a suitable candidate? And what do you think of his activity today? What has he done since then to convince you he's not trying to lay low?

I've never heard of "killering" someone. Care to explain   But seriously, what do you mean by "intruder"? Do you just mean scum? You seem to be putting words in my mouth again and again. I'll try to lay it out plainly, then tell me if any of it doesn't make sense.

I voted for Joshua as a poke to get conversation started. In many previous games pokes have caused debate among many people, not just the one poked. People started talking which was exactly the point, I've stated this many times. Joshua started talking, but not much. I left my vote on him (as I stated at the time) because he was still being really quiet. Because lurking can be a sign of a scum player or a sign of a scared townie I assumed that a more relevant reason to vote for someone would present itself before the day was over. And it did. 

He still hasn't said much, so I'm still suspicious of him. But lots of players are being too quiet right now.

I hope this clarifies everything for you. I'd love to know if anyone else doesn't understand the timeline. Seems so straight forward to me, but if I need to clarify more I will.

18 minutes ago, Vincent Denis said:

And Daniel has certainly swooped in to defend you and Andrew. He posted twice about you being "straightforward" and "right on." And you don't find his defense of you odd?

I find Daniel suspicious, yes. I am innocent so anyone's defense comes across as correct. But why he wants to defend me could be for any number of reasons. If you had read all of my previous post you would have noted that I find both you and he unhelpful and that I think lynching both of you would be a good thing. I don't think I used the word "scummy" for him before, so if that's what you want clarity on then yes, I find Daniel scummy.

 

[Daniel Lucas]

I am honored. Even I start to feel scummy a bit, but I'd still lean to believe those who say I'm a town. Obviously they know something. Quite sad they want to lynch me for it. 

[Aiden Leon]

 

4 minutes ago, Justin Reynaud said:

But I will give you my claim that you never answered:

That's it? All you said was my explanation was "simple". What is there to answer? Why it was "simple"? You haven't given me a question to answer.

1 minute ago, Justin Reynaud said:

answer why you think Daniel is scum.

If your talking about yesterday, I don't think I ever said I thought he was scum so this is BS. I made it clear that I wanted to lynch him because he was being detrimental whether he was town or scum. 

The PM bit does have me wondering now if he could be scum, but that's now.

19 minutes ago, Justin Reynaud said:

I'm not going to do your work for you if you want to clear your name from all suspicion.

What suspision?!!! The only one I can find is that I've been accused of "defending Vincent", to which I've explained already multiple times to which you've stated as "too simple". You just gonna leave it at that and act like you still a case against me? 

[Fred Dumont]

12 hours ago, Vincent Denis said:

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OK, so the song you requested had already been requested twice, Mr. Dumont. This is the third time you've voted the same as the person who posted above you. And you're voting along with the person you stood by your vote for yesterday against the person you agreed with at the end of the day. What changed in the mean time that your reads are opposite? You stood by your vote that Robing was scummy for voting for an absent player, then he came in and voted for Daniel—and Daniel is right about Robin's vote, he doesn't call him scum, he almost leans towards town—and now you're voting for Daniel. But yesterday you agreed with Daniel's reasoning and changed your vote from Robin to Aiden, despite your conviction that voting for Robing was a good vote. The only thing that swayed you from this vote you stood by was Justin and Daniel, who you're now voting for.

You make no sense.

Also, Daniel has posted twice now ignoring my accusations. Interesting how he demands responses to his suspicions but when he's accused, he turns tail and hides in the corner. At least he's shut up for once.

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I wanted a lynch, and my second vote yesterday was in my opinion best chance to get it.

6 hours ago, Aiden Leon said:

Getting a raincheck for these circumstances is so scummy. At least stating it as your own opinion would be fine, but using "we" is highly inappropriate. It doesn't matter whether Daniel flips town or scum because either way his points against Vincent were stupid as hell. "OMG guys he using sarcasm!!! He's clearly scum!!! Why can't you see it???"

In regards to Daniel's defense of lying about talking to other people, this is pretty much all that needs to be said. 

Daniel could be tellling the truth and wasn't seeing the full picture, or his defense is bs.

Okay fine. I'll phrase it in a way you'll understand.

 

"Good for you. Also a great, informative argument. Anything more to add?"

I use “we” because I’m speaking of us as a town and players as a whole. 

4 hours ago, Aiden Leon said:

Right now I'm interested in the others who voted for me towards the end of yesterday. Especially Fred with that recent comment trying to setup tommorows lynch as if he knows how you'll flip. Speaking of which I'm very divided on how you'll flip. Yesterday you were a pain in the ass who was likely town, but now with this PM bit I'm thinking it could be very likely your scum. Either way I wouldn't forgo lynching you because you would continue to be a unignorable itch in the backround I'd constatntly be wondering about.

People try to set up next day lunches all the time. There is no issue with me stating what we can do for a game plan, especially since nobody can PM during the day. 

[Aiden Leon]

Just now, Fred Dumont said:

People try to set up next day lunches all the time. There is no issue with me stating what we can do for a game plan

Your choice of lynch for tommorow was in question. Not whether or not it's scummy to do so in general. Nice try.

Just now, Fred Dumont said:

especially since nobody can PM during the day. 

Yeeeeah. Pretty miffed about aren't we?

[Vincent Denis]

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1 hour ago, Justin Reynaud said:

I've never heard of "killering" someone. Care to explain   But seriously, what do you mean by "intruder"?

On 4/5/2020 at 7:24 PM, Justin Reynaud said:

We dare not waste a chance to killer one of the intruders.

These are literally your words. You used killer as a verb and referred to the scum as intruders. So they're not words I put in your mouth so much as they are words you put in your own mouth. 

3 hours ago, Justin Reynaud said:

All of this insistence on getting answers to questions I've already answered is a great scum play to make a townie look guilty.

If this is your view, then Daniel's insistence on getting answers from several people despite us answering them, repeatedly, should make him the king scum in your eyes. Your reason for voting for me seems to be solely based on me asking for clarification on what I see as inconsistencies in your statements and answers. I'm not scum so my intention is not to get you to appear any certain way, I'm trying to discern your intentions. The perceived inconsistencies and parroting of Andrew ping me. If you could humor me for a second, in what ways has a poke vote gotten other players talking more in previous games? What about it works, in your experience?

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[Andrew Laurent]

3 hours ago, Daniel Lucas said:

Okay, a lot of people said that we're a distraction now. But without it there would be almost no discussion at all. I don't see why a lurker would come forward if we suddenly shut up. Even Trenton and Robin implied that I'm not being helpful but me talking does not block their ability to talk as well and they were completely silent D1 and even today. 

There are always a lot of people sitting back in these scum hunts. Some are scum, some are town just not being terribly active. With the mountains of text produced, I can understand people not wanting to wade through it all and sitting back and playing passively right now. Yes, I do think that there would be more people talking if the 3 of you shut up. 

3 hours ago, Vincent Denis said:

Point taken and I apologize for misunderstanding your last line about Joshua. As I've said, I don't expect anyone to read these walls of text and have tried, several times, to point that out to Daniel. Daniel throwing a wall of text at every syllable I utter is distracting for me too. I responded to a lot of what he said because I'm trying to point out the ridiculousness of his accusations to others and if he's town, the ridiculousness of his behavior to him. I am trying to be more concise. I know these walls of texts aren't helpful for the town as I've said repeatedly. And while your explanation of poking Joshua further so he doesn't try to stay under the radar makes more sense to me, you gave two reasons in that post that you quoted:

So you know that what you're doing isn't helpful and yet you keep doing it? Quit responding to him! It's like when my kids are fighting. They both keep yelling because both have to prove themselves right. Instead, if one would just shut up and walk away, the other would quit yelling too (they'd probably yell a couple times trying to drag the first one back it, but they'll give up quickly). Honestly, this statement is almost scummy enough to make me change my mind. An honest townie doesn't feel the need to respond to every tiny accusation. The scum sometimes too, because they are terrified of being caught. And a scum being lynched is a much bigger deal than a townie being lynched wrongly - we've got the strength in numbers. We can afford to lose a few - or a whole bunch - along the way and still win. 

[Vincent Denis]

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2 minutes ago, Andrew Laurent said:

Quit responding to him! An honest townie doesn't feel the need to respond to every tiny accusation. The scum sometimes too, because they are terrified of being caught. And a scum being lynched is a much bigger deal than a townie being lynched wrongly - we've got the strength in numbers. We can afford to lose a few - or a whole bunch - along the way and still win. 

I admit I play like your children and have for years. It's been a long time since I had someone I felt I needed to keep responding to, but look at most of what I'm saying to him yesterday. The idea that I knew it wasn't helpful is not a new one. I said it repeatedly to him yesterday, I said it via PM when he contacted me after the day ended. I said it yesterday, I'll say it again, a lot of my responses were mafia school mode and I was trying to get him to be a productive townie. After his PMs and the lying today, I'm not responding to his accusations, I'm accusing him. I agree with you that the town can afford to lose players along the way. My fear isn't that I'll be lynched or killed, it's that Daniel will vomit 10s of thousands of words into every day thread and continue to make it unreadable, confusing, and if he's town, keep giving the scum the ability to sit back behind it. Hell, even if he's scum they can hide behind it. I'm trying to play the game outside of my squabble with him. The boy is an energy vampire. Look at how many of my posts yesterday, especially towards the end of the day, are me trying to get him to see that his posts aren't helpful. I am trying to be much more concise today so as not to continue to contribute to it.

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[Daniel Lucas]

11 hours ago, Daniel Lucas said:

My suggestion is this: let's just leave each other alone for now and let's see what the others have to say.