Jean Pelley Posted April 11, 2020 Posted April 11, 2020 I think it's been said already but Just now, Daniel Lucas said: I pm Vincent, hinting that we might start to work together finally, Why the fuck would you get all buddy-buddy with someone you've castigated in thread? Just now, Daniel Lucas said: Vincent says he thought me town, but since I pm-ed him he thinks I'm a scum spy (This is valid up to this point). Your oh-so-endearing earnestness reads town but buddying up in the dark of night does not. Just now, Daniel Lucas said: Vincent warns me he is going to tell next day that I've pm-d him. It's a warning... Just now, Daniel Lucas said: I think this is BS, since if I'm scum I just kill him for this. No sense to maky such warnings. You don't know who else he's talking to!!!!! Word of this might get out!!!! If you're town you don't kill him and if you're scum you definitely don't Just now, Daniel Lucas said: I hint him that I'm already talk with others, so he may start to worry I've posted copies. Thus I'm kind of defended of a kill if he is scum. It is not the same as warning about a possible tomorrow action. Apparently you are able to see this from your point of view but not from his. He won't kill you because he doesn't know who you're talking to. You won't kill him because you don't know who he's talking to. Is it me or is it solipsistic in here? On 4/7/2020 at 2:46 PM, Vincent Denis said: I've played in a tunnel before and it got the town killed. I thought my tunnel was a beautiful rose garden, but it turned out to be my own ass my head was up. Get out of your tunnel. I'm not scum. it u @Daniel Lucas
Daniel Lucas Posted April 11, 2020 Posted April 11, 2020 Just now, Jean Pelley said: You don't know who else he's talking to!!!!! Word of this might get out!!!! If you're town you don't kill him and if you're scum you definitely don't I hope the others are paying attention. You are totally not in the need to use a warning about a tomorrow action of yours. It is just pointless unless you feel safe already as a scum and you forget that it would be a tell. No reason to warn with TOMORROW ACTIONS. End of story. If you'd warn a suspected scum or even anybody of your tommorow actions N1 you are a fool. I've hinted I am already in talk with others to be sure, to remind him about this. It is not a sure thing but better than waiting out the kill attempt on yourself. You are not going to rely on the other's wifom abilities. That is unreal. Your counter-argument is an endless WIFOM. If you are town and you say something in PM which a scum should not know, you have the perfect reason to be afraid. In this case you are not going to warn about him with your tomorrow actions, believing you are so defended by it, not to mention if you are already in talk with others. That is not how a townie acts in a PM situations with a potential scum. That's it. No matter how many emojis you are going to post, you are clearly trying hard not to understand the difference.
Vincent Denis Posted April 11, 2020 Posted April 11, 2020 *Fwom fwom fwom fwomma fwomma fwom* 49 minutes ago, Jean Pelley said: Quoting PMs is a party foul, dude. Would you prefer I write a play???? I checked the party foul list and saw no such indication. Can you clarify @Bob? If you want, I can quote the whole PM conversation. But does anybody really want that? Do you really want to hear more between me and Daniel? I tried to explain to him our squabble was most likely dismissed and was distracting and confusing. He clearly doesn't get it. Either way, I'm willing to post it all here should anybody ask to see it. Just be careful what you wish for. It's the same thing as yesterday. Me trying to explain to him that his posts aren't helpful and him circling back to his same blabber. As I found Andrew suspicious yesterday, I'm much more interested in what Jean is saying about Joshua and Andrew. How does Justin fit it, Jean? Because he seems scummy along the same lines, sprinkled with a little bit of Fred. I was really hoping to not go through another day of bickering with Daniel. 21 minutes ago, Daniel Lucas said: Vincent not warned me saying that he is telling it to others that night, he said he is going to reveal it next night. I've hinted him I've already talked with others thatn night. Exactly, I've said already because that's a proper defense if he is scum. Warning the other of tomorrow while he can be a scum that kills that night is truly a fake thing. I don't see why Jean would say it is the same unless he wants to sweep it away quickly now. Your undies are in a huge bunch, dude. Jean is correct. You're saying I threatened to reveal it the next night, but I said in the new day thread and I did exactly as I said I would. Wasn't the first warning in our conversation where you told me it was my best shot to work with you? And don't you worry about what I thought you might be up to. I copied every one of our PMs to someone and asked them to post them if I ended up dead. You were PMing me long before the night action deadline. 57 minutes ago, Daniel Lucas said: Also, please stop the fwooming. I ask you again. Noise does not help town. No. Absolutely not. My job is the tubist. You soldiers may get all the noble work of killing pirates and getting eaten by islanders and shooting things but my job is tubist and it is a noble job to blow everyone and I take great pride in it. I cry "bullshit" on your inability to read around it as you've never complained about the drummer in the last game, the bugler in this game, what's-his-bucket who thought he was a novelist in the last game. But, the tuba's scummy? No. I shall proudly continue to play my tuba in every post as long as I'm in the game. I don't believe you PMed me only to find out about the tuba playing. I don't believe you told me you had PMed other people so that I'd be afraid to kill you (which I don't have the ability to, by the way. I'm town and not the vigilante) because I told you to PM other people and ask them if they agreed with you about me and you responded that you were so smart you had done so without my suggestion. So, nothing you're saying adds up. Why are you lying so much? This one's for you, Daniel: *Fwom fwomma fwomma fwom fwom fwom fwomma fwomma fwom fwom fwom fwomma fwomma fwomma fwooooooooom fwooooooooooom fwooooooooooom*
Bob Posted April 11, 2020 Author Posted April 11, 2020 Just now, Vincent Denis said: I checked the party foul list and saw no such indication. Can you clarify @Bob? If you want, I can quote the whole PM conversation. It is fine to quote PM conversations.
Emmett Ware Posted April 11, 2020 Posted April 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Daniel Lucas said: I had a very good reason to: Vincent said himself in PM that he is going to tell everybody that I've contacted him, while I did not say anything revealable. I did not understand why would he say this. If I'm scum, I've could just killed him right after for this. A town would not warn someone this directly, especially someone he suspects as scum. If you were scum trying to cozy up to him, this is exactly what you would have done, not killed him but tried to earn his trust. His telling you that he would take the whole thing to the daily discussion means he thought that what you were doing looked suspicious and wanted to share it. The reason for that could be innocent or scummy. For a townie, it is potential evidence, for scum, it is a nice way to confuse the town into taking the wrong action. Either way, it is perfectly reasonable. 31 minutes ago, Daniel Lucas said: Because only a scum would've known I'm not going to kill him. Ever heard of a vigilante? He also could have thought that he was safe for the night, but dead tomorrow when your attempt to cozy up had failed and wanted to make sure to get the word out before that happened. As interesting as this all is, it comes down to the motivation for each event, and that is still unclear.
Vincent Denis Posted April 11, 2020 Posted April 11, 2020 *Fwom fwom fwom fwomma fwomma fwom* With apologies, please just skip this if you're already tired of hearing from Daniel and me, but here it is: (The subject of the PM he sent, by the way, is "hey douche." which is what I called Andrew yesterday) On 4/9/2020 at 4:02 PM, Daniel Lucas said: Ready to work together...Mr Hinck? On 4/9/2020 at 5:22 PM, Vincent Denis said: This makes no sense to me, at all. How could you possibly want to work with someone whose every single word set you off on paragraphs of distrust? You're so convinced that I'm scum, in what actually world do you sincerely want to "work together" right now? You're bonkers. 100% stone cold bonkers. It is at this point I start PMing someone else, copying the conversation, along with the discussion "Is this guy scum after all or just insane??" On 4/9/2020 at 6:13 PM, Daniel Lucas said: Here is how I see it: Either you are scum and I'm practically dead by being right about it. This case you'll handle the heat on you as best as you can with your fwoming tomorrow. You are town in which case you want this rumbling to stop asap as well. On 4/7/2020 at 8:19 PM, Vincent Denis said: You don't seem very receptive to working together, but let's give it a shot. I'll start. Don't you think it's weird how far under the radar Justin and Andrew have fallen since you started posting your suspicions of me? Also I thought this was your call and I've gave my honest response to it. You are the one believing me that I'm town. If this is the case, your best shot at this moment is to utilize it. On 4/9/2020 at 6:47 PM, Vincent Denis said: I may have leaned towards town on you all day but the scummiest thing you've done is come to me privately after being completely sure all day that I was scum and ask if I'm ready to work together. Sounds like you're fishing for my night action. If I said "let's work together" then you'd believe I was town? How does that work exactly? You said all day that you were absolutely sure I was scum, how would you even consider asking me to work with you? If you believed that strongly that I was scum I should be the last person you would want to work with. On 4/9/2020 at 7:18 PM, Daniel Lucas said: It is your choice, but don't say later that I've not proposed. If you feel better to trust someone other like Aiden, only because he had defended you, it is your choice as well. I was honestly more interested about anyone else who'd come to your defense, because let's be honest. Yours was not the best we've seen. I can hardly believe he'd think you town without the actual knowledge. On 4/9/2020 at 7:20 PM, Vincent Denis said: If anybody else felt the same way about my "defense" I'd have gotten more votes. Nobody agreed with you because not only was my defense sound, your accusations were ludicrous. On 4/9/2020 at 7:35 PM, Daniel Lucas said: Maybe, but we've got information and that's all Town needs. As you've pointed the others are lurking. If my accusations were bad, what do you think why haven't both of us got any wagon on ourselves? On 4/9/2020 at 7:57 PM, Vincent Denis said: Because people ignore those walls of text. PM every player right now and ask them to do you the favor of responding to your accusations and for them to be honest if they didn't read them and if not, why not? Ask them as a player, not the character and tell them you just want to know for the sake of being a better player and see what they say. And I think your original accusation about me being suspicious about Andrew "out of the blue" was not paid attention to because most people could see that 20 hours had passed between my posts, Andrew had posted three more times along with about a page of other activity from other players, plenty of time to think more about the game and make decisions. Because, as I've said-through heavy sarcasm, yes-that is normal for people to think about things and also respond to new activity. Here's, I believe, how most people see it, because it how it actually went. 1. Andrew makes a joke post. 2. I respond that it seems like a joke. 3. Twenty hours pass, during which time Andrew makes three more posts and poke votes and so does Justin, with very similar wording. 4. I post that Andrew's posts and his and Justin's votes seem scummy and now looking back his joke (point 1) could be scummy too. 5. I vote for Andrew. You tell me it's out of the blue, but it wasn't and nobody else sees it that way, because they naturally followed that progression. And I couldn't vote for Andrew at point 2, because point 3 hadn't yet happened and point 3 is what was being responded to it points 4 & 5. I swear, if you're scum and making me go through this level of explanation for you over something that is simple logic to me, I swear I will never forgive you. I am so busy and depressed right now and you've been really aggravating so far. If explaining this stuff to you turns out to not be necessary and you're just putting on some act, I will honestly never forgive you for it. Oh, God. I just go off when responding to you. What is it? You're seriously pissing me off. Honestly, PM every player and ask them what they think about your case against me and your posts. Seriously. I think it will help you gain some perspective. As you can see, unlike what Daniel has told you, I was the first to bring up PMing other people about me. I actually told him to PM every player. On 4/9/2020 at 8:11 PM, Daniel Lucas said: I don't know why are you getting carried away. Am I being anything aggressive here as well? I ask you again, becaus you I think you did not understand me. Why do you think, why did the scum not made any wagon on us? Do you believe the scum would not have read everything? On 4/9/2020 at 8:17 PM, Vincent Denis said: Why would they care as long as there's no focus on them?? Anybody who agreed with you and started a bandwagon on me, over your reasonings, would've been obvious scum. That's probably why it didn't produce anything for anybody and was just a colossal waste of time. On 4/9/2020 at 8:23 PM, Daniel Lucas said: Fine. And if someone would've voted for me, wouldn't it be just as obviously scummy? Because it has happened, as you probably know. 23 hours ago, Vincent Denis said: No shit. I said nothing clears Aiden. I even said there's a possibility he was trying to buddy up to me. But your behavior gives him an excuse if he's scum because you'd make a valid policy lynch. And if he's town then he's telling you the truth that he feels you're not helping. It would be risky for scum to come out and try to stop you from what you were doing. I find it more odd that Justin and Fred voted along with you. The most confounding thing about you is the way you were sure that I was scum at the end of the day and now you're talking to me like you trust me. It's like your scum buddies told you to back track for overdoing it. Make no mistake, my plan is to post immediately in day two that you approached me via PM and ask if I was ready to work together. 22 hours ago, Daniel Lucas said: As you wish. But if the Scum kills me tonight you may try to convince them that you two did not teamed up against me, because I'm totally going to flip as Town. I hope in this case you'll share them this as well... For your information I PM'd around some before you even without suggestion and yes, I've got the feeling that you'd be truly Town. Now I'm not sure again. I'm still not being contradictional if you'd take a look about it again and not making it kind of personal. You can also see that he said he'd already been PMing people. Seems less like he's trying to keep himself safe from a potential scum kill and more like he's saying he's smart enough he doesn't need my advice. As you wish means he loves me. Maybe that's the real issue here. 21 hours ago, Vincent Denis said: I highly doubt the scum will try to kill you. I imagine they want to keep you around because our squabble created chaos, confusion, distraction. That's what they want. 21 hours ago, Daniel Lucas said: Fair enough. In this case I guess you are happy that you helped a lot with it all the fwooming. 21 hours ago, Vincent Denis said: I'm trying to have fun. If it's really that hard for you, just ignore the top and bottom of my post. Jesus... And that was the end of it. I copied all the messages to another player and asked them to post them for me if I ended up dead in the morning. My deepest apologies for skirting so close to turning day 2 into a repeat of the day 1 Daniel & Vincent show. Daniel's contradictions are pinging me and I think it's important people see them. *Fwom fwom fwomma fwomma fwom fwom fwom fwom fwom fwomma fwomma fwom fwom*
Daniel Lucas Posted April 11, 2020 Posted April 11, 2020 Just now, Vincent Denis said: No. Absolutely not. My job is the tubist. You soldiers may get all the noble work of killing pirates and getting eaten by islanders and shooting things but my job is tubist and it is a noble job to blow everyone and I take great pride in it. I cry "bullshit" on your inability to read around it as you've never complained about the drummer in the last game, the bugler in this game, what's-his-bucket who thought he was a novelist in the last game. But, the tuba's scummy? No. Go fwooming around then. If something qualifies as zero help, that is it. But you know what? If no one is annoyed by that or questions its real purpose, which is causing pure annoyance and confusion I'm clearly not the one to tell you at this point. Also you say now that you've pm-ed around our talk. No need to make ANY warning to me this case about your planned actions TOMORROW unless you know already I can't kill you. Just now, Emmett Ware said: Ever heard of a vigilante? He also could have thought that he was safe for the night, but dead tomorrow when your attempt to cozy up had failed and wanted to make sure to get the word out before that happened. Yes, but what word? There is no word except me approaching him. That is no reason to warn me of anything for tomorrow. Emmett, this is the same thing you are talking about. It does not matter if I'm scum or vigilante. If I want to and able to, I can kill him after this tomorrow-warning that night. Yes he might be able to send around things, but this is the problem, and I've pointed it out: I need to know he has actually a proof which would be a problem for me. But he does not have sh*t, because: I did not say anything scummy to him to be needed to kill him. I've only started a conversation about working things out. His reply about me being a scum spy is not so iffy itself, but a warning like he would have anything of a proof is total BS. If that's the case your last thing to do is to warn me about it. Even if I am a vigilante, you are just not going say it this directly. Also if you think I'm a vigilante you are totally not calling me a scum spy and warn me. Also if you can just PM this around you are going to say that. Unless you know this is all an act because you are scum and you are not getting killed. This is it. After this warning I thought he wants to fish me back for a claim, like I'd be under pressure of something because of this warn. And I did not want to claim anything to him at this point, considering that warning total nonsense from a town. At this point all of my messages to him was a hint that I might be in talk with others so he would not try to kill me on the other hand. I knew he is not going to think out how we are getting trust if we are town. I had a lot of patient and neutral questions to him to build this up but this was the response. And I had to hint the PM with others this to be sure he thinks about this. Relying on his wifom abilities is total unreal.
Aiden Leon Posted April 11, 2020 Posted April 11, 2020 29 minutes ago, Daniel Lucas said: Go fwooming around then. If something qualifies as zero help, that is it. But you know what? If no one is annoyed by that or questions its real purpose, which is causing pure annoyance and confusion I'm clearly not the one to tell you at this point. I thought I was getting tired because it's late or what not, but in reality it's just you putting me in a coma.
Daniel Lucas Posted April 11, 2020 Posted April 11, 2020 Just now, Aiden Leon said: I thought I was getting tired because it's late or what not, but in reality it's just you putting me in a coma. Good for you. Also a great, informative argument. Anything more to add? Clearly you have over-argued this whole game at this point, so this is why you have the time throwing around empty cynical posts. Also you are welcomed to vote me back again, if this is the case. You were posting memes all around about policy lynching me, so please start to do so. Also if you are town, you are just plain lazy and ill-mannered. If you are scum, surely you can do better. 5 hours ago, Aiden Leon said: No I made it very clear that I wished to lynch you because you were being a pain in the butt. It's called a policy lynch. Your contribution to this game is a pile of stinking NOTHING up to this point and you are still here to do just the talk with no real action. Even the lurkers are more helpful now. In better games this Aiden guy would have been lynched a hundred times by now.
Vincent Denis Posted April 11, 2020 Posted April 11, 2020 12 minutes ago, Daniel Lucas said: Good for you. ... In better games this Aiden guy would have been lynched a hundred times by now. *Fwom fwom fwom fwomma fwom* Besides my tuba blaring, there's a disturbing silence... Hey, guy who flips out ten seconds after everything I say, how come an hour has gone since I made two posts pointing out your contradictions, and you've got no response to me? *Fwom fwomma fwomma fwom, Fwom fwomma fwomma fwom fwom fwom fwom fwom fwom fwomma fwomma fwom*
Robin Tremblay Posted April 11, 2020 Posted April 11, 2020 Vote Daniel Lucas. If he is a townie He is not helpful and is a distraction. His contributions are worse than lurkers.
Fred Dumont Posted April 11, 2020 Posted April 11, 2020 5 hours ago, Vincent Denis said: Speaking of Mr. Dumont: This pinged me yesterday that you would twice mention standing by your vote in the same post in which you changed your vote. Especially echoing the word's of scummy Justin and blabbering Daniel, neither of which I felt had compelling reasons for voting for Aiden. Daniel might, but I don't have much luck in discerning what he's saying in his massive posts (I know that people who live in wall of text houses, shouldn't throw walls of text...). But, with few hours left in the day, you twice voted for who the person a couple posts above you had voted for, all while touting your desire to have a day 1 lynch. As Peter Lyon pointed out, you broached this topic and then waited for others to respond before sharing your own opinion. Then re-iterated that opinion with almost all of your posts. The reasons you stated for your votes seem more like someone looking for wagon momentum than having their own reasonings. I wanted us to have a day 1 lynch but still stand by my original vote of voting for Mr. Tremblay. I found him to be acting scummy, but I was committed to a lynch more. I see no issue with my beliefs here. 4 hours ago, Peter Lyon said: In the final vote tally: Looking back at the discussion of folks who were eager to have a lynch, the only person who really stated any sort of opinion on it was Emmett, and Emmett was the one who said he didn't think we had the knowledge to make an informed decision. So at least his not voting is consistent with what he said about lynching. Fred asked who wanted a lynch or no-lynch. Emmett said he didn't think we could, implying a no-lynch position, but later claimed he wasn't against it. Vincent said he was "typically" for it (very neutral) Andrew said it was "vital" Aiden implied he was for a lynch, but didn't really come out and say it one way or another Justin said it was "critical" Joshua called out "more than one person already pushing for a no-lynch" (this wasn't actually happening), but was worried about anyone pushing for a no-lynch Trenton said "a vote is vital to determine where people stand", and "same goes for a lynch". Fred found himself "thinking we should have a lynch today" Andrew, Trenton, and Joshua all voted on their own. Justin started the vote for Aiden, which got the "most" votes at 3. That's not really saying much since we had twice that many people not even vote. Vincent was the second vote on Justin, following Jean who switched to Andrew. Fred jumped around a bit before settling on Aiden to try to get us moving closer to a lynch. Justin and Aiden were tied at the time, as Aiden had just voted for Justin and Justin and Daniel had just voted for Aiden. Looking at it now, that whole series of votes was interesting. Robin was leading everyone else with 2 votes after voting for the absent Michael. Aiden moved from Daniel to Justin. Daniel moved from Vincent to Aiden. Fred then moves from Robin to Aiden. It was all very late, so there wasn't any real hope of getting a lynch. I know I was on Fred a bit yesterday, and I admit to not having read all of the Daniel/Vincent argument in much detail, but it seems to me that Fred jumped in on someone else's argument and wasn't so much keeping up as trying to get anyone lynched or look consistent. Not much caring about the actual outcome so much as how he looked in the end. I did not “jump around a bit.” I placed one vote and then switched due to us needing a lynch. I was consistent in my statements yesterday. Regarding today and the middle of the night and transparency, I did not receive any PMs. Pardon me, I’m writing from my mobile parchment, and I don’t recall who suggested that Mr. Lucas PM everyone. It is clear he did not. And communicating this early via PM just seems incredibly naive to me, at best. We, I assume, just got back results this morning, unless someone is a a role that works during the day. And there’s talk of warning players of night actions to come? Ludicrous playing. With Mr Denis and Mr Lucas arguing back and forth, I’m guessing one is scum, and since the scum can’t communicate and coordinate during the day, other scum members aren’t able to tell their teammate to back off. I say we lynch one today. If he turns up scum, fantastic. If not, we go for the other tomorrow. Vote: Daniel Lucas
Daniel Lucas Posted April 11, 2020 Posted April 11, 2020 Just now, Robin Tremblay said: Vote Daniel Lucas. If he is a townie He is not helpful and is a distraction. His contributions are worse than lurkers. This is fantastic. Hello there, Robin. I might remember to be first to point out your blank vote on Michael. Well, he turned out to be a modkilled town. I guess your contribution was better than mine. Also: On 4/8/2020 at 8:53 PM, Daniel Lucas said: On 4/8/2020 at 7:58 PM, Robin Tremblay said: Nope. I don’t like Daniel, vincent, Justin or Alex they all seem toxic and they have caused enough confusion and chaos. I have no idea what is actually happening in their long rants, and the scum must be pleased with today’s chaos. If you have no idea what was it all about, you are welcomed to take your time and read it. Are you pleased with today's chaos? It seems chaotic for sure if you don't read it. I know, it is not easy to do with a thousand lines of fwooming, but it only gives more reason to do so. Also even if it is chaotic, it is also information. After your blank vote, please stop being so convenient with your neutrality posts. Maybe this was the contribution you did not like, hm? You surely did not cause any distraction with saying actually NOTHING yesterday. Maybe my sin was being the only one to question your total convenient neutrality through Day 1? Also, how is that no one is being called out by pushing a policy lynch (they are the one saying this, not me) on someone who had been quite active to use actual arguments? I might be a scum? Very well, this is mafia. But you gizmos have not even voted for me or implied a vote for being SCUM. You are all going, "Ahh policy lynch, you are distracting!". Sorry Robin, I'm sure you'd have already posted a thousand times more if not for me. But me making a PM is a scum move still! I'm a town needed to be policy lynched who was also a scum by pm-ing an other player who was convinced I'm town whole day. Stop calling me a F***** Town you coward scums and call me a Scum FFS. Like you'd already knew I'd flip town and no heat would be taken after. How am I the only one asking this questions?
Vincent Denis Posted April 11, 2020 Posted April 11, 2020 *Fwom fwom fwom fwom* On 4/8/2020 at 11:33 AM, Fred Dumont said: Can I just say for the record I think we're all acting absolutely crazy at this moment? I did not jump quickly, mind you. There were a few hours after he posted I cast my vote, and I just think it was a scummy move of him. I stand by my choice in voting for him, for the record. I would hope he's not scum and just a mistake, but I would not want to let an easy vote fly by like his could have if it was not brought attention to. I can see your logic and reasoning here, as well as Mr. Lucas' in his post above mine. While I do stand by my vote, I also stated earlier I would be in favor of a lynch if we could reach it. Thus... Unvote: Robin Tremblay Vote: Aiden Leon 19 minutes ago, Fred Dumont said: I wanted us to have a day 1 lynch but still stand by my original vote of voting for Mr. Tremblay. I found him to be acting scummy, but I was committed to a lynch more. I see no issue with my beliefs here. I did not “jump around a bit.” I placed one vote and then switched due to us needing a lynch. I was consistent in my statements yesterday. Regarding today and the middle of the night and transparency, I did not receive any PMs. Pardon me, I’m writing from my mobile parchment, and I don’t recall who suggested that Mr. Lucas PM everyone. It is clear he did not. And communicating this early via PM just seems incredibly naive to me, at best. We, I assume, just got back results this morning, unless someone is a a role that works during the day. And there’s talk of warning players of night actions to come? Ludicrous playing. With Mr Denis and Mr Lucas arguing back and forth, I’m guessing one is scum, and since the scum can’t communicate and coordinate during the day, other scum members aren’t able to tell their teammate to back off. I say we lynch one today. If he turns up scum, fantastic. If not, we go for the other tomorrow. Vote: Daniel Lucas OK, so the song you requested had already been requested twice, Mr. Dumont. This is the third time you've voted the same as the person who posted above you. And you're voting along with the person you stood by your vote for yesterday against the person you agreed with at the end of the day. What changed in the mean time that your reads are opposite? You stood by your vote that Robing was scummy for voting for an absent player, then he came in and voted for Daniel—and Daniel is right about Robin's vote, he doesn't call him scum, he almost leans towards town—and now you're voting for Daniel. But yesterday you agreed with Daniel's reasoning and changed your vote from Robin to Aiden, despite your conviction that voting for Robing was a good vote. The only thing that swayed you from this vote you stood by was Justin and Daniel, who you're now voting for. You make no sense. Also, Daniel has posted twice now ignoring my accusations. Interesting how he demands responses to his suspicions but when he's accused, he turns tail and hides in the corner. At least he's shut up for once. *Fwomma fwomma fwom fwom fwoooooooom fwooooooom fwooooooom*
Daniel Lucas Posted April 11, 2020 Posted April 11, 2020 Just now, Vincent Denis said: Also, Daniel has posted twice now ignoring my accusations. Interesting how he demands responses to his suspicions but when he's accused, he turns tail and hides in the corner. At least he's shut up for once. I'm here and I'm able to answer anything as usual. Only that you've said this: 42 minutes ago, Vincent Denis said: *Fwom fwom fwom fwomma fwom* Besides my tuba blaring, there's a disturbing silence... Hey, guy who flips out ten seconds after everything I say, how come an hour has gone since I made two posts pointing out your contradictions, and you've got no response to me? *Fwom fwomma fwomma fwom, Fwom fwomma fwomma fwom fwom fwom fwom fwom fwom fwomma fwomma fwom* Besides your tuba blaring, this is not a question but a suggestive statement hidden inside a question. Your previous post was the full quote of our pm discussion and there are no questions asked of me. Also I would have to know what were you thinking of as contradiction, since I'm not aware any contradictions I've made. If you'd be so kind to quote it specifically, I assure you, you will get your answer Mr guy who hypocritically does the same only with fwoomings around. Also actually your observation of Fred is valid, I have to say. His one hit me with the most surpirse, considering he said yesterday he indeed agreed with my reasoning but today his reason is that one of us has to be scum, thus me. I'm not sure in this perspective how I am the scum by agreeing me before, but at least someone calls me scum finally. Still looks like a bit flip-flop voting. Personally I don't understand how is he still not voting for Aiden after that coma post and constant, empty policy lynch talk.
Vincent Denis Posted April 11, 2020 Posted April 11, 2020 Just now, Daniel Lucas said: I'm here and I'm able to answer anything as usual. Only that you've said this: Besides your tuba blaring, this is not a question but a suggestive statement hidden inside a question. Your previous post was the full quote of our pm discussion and there are no questions asked of me. Also I would have to know what were you thinking of as contradiction, since I'm not aware any contradictions I've made. If you'd be so kind to quote it specifically, I assure you, you will get your answer Mr guy who hypocritically does the same only with fwoomings around. Also actually your observation of Fred is valid, I have to say. His one hit me with the most surpirse, considering he said yesterday he indeed agreed with my reasoning but today his reason is that one of us has to be scum, thus me. I'm not sure in this perspective how I am the scum by agreeing me before, but at least someone calls me scum finally. Still looks like a bit flip-flop voting. Personally I don't understand how is he still not voting for Aiden after that coma post and constant, empty policy lynch talk. *Fwoom fwoom* Why would I repeat what is still there for you to read? You say you lied about talking to other people to protect yourself from me killing you when I was the one who brought up PMing other people. You say I said Aiden was 100% OK when I clearly did not. You propose that I wasn't afraid of being killed when I was copying our PMs to someone in case I ended up dead. Are these points just inconvenient for you? Why no acknowledgment. Let's add to the list you said I was fishing for your role. Where did I do that? I'm glad you see my point about Fred. However, Aiden is not the only one to talk about a policy lynch, that is basically Robin's point as well. It's striking how neither Robin nor Fred mention the points that would make you scum; PMing me to ask to work together and then lying about PMing other people and then lying about your reasoning for lying about PMing people, and generally being confusing and distracting—because you are, regardless of alignment. It's like they lean on believing you are town while voting. There's something between Andrew, Justin, Robin, Fred and you. I lean the most town, now-since much more has happened since I said I lean the most town on Daniel, on Jean (watch him be the actual scum) so throw Joshua into the mix too. Do I think there are six scum in the game? No. My point is, somebody in there is scum and maybe two or more who got wrapped up in all this bullshit. *Fwoooma fwom fwooooooma fwomma fwommma fwom fwom fwom fwom*
Daniel Lucas Posted April 11, 2020 Posted April 11, 2020 Just now, Vincent Denis said: Why would I repeat what is still there for you to read? You say you lied about talking to other people to protect yourself from me killing you when I was the one who brought up PMing other people. You say I said Aiden was 100% OK when I clearly did not. You propose that I wasn't afraid of being killed when I was copying our PMs to someone in case I ended up dead. Are these points just inconvenient for you? Why no acknowledgment. Let's add to the list you said I was fishing for your role. Where did I do that? Because only to explicit questions can I answer explicitly. Suggestive ones are twisting. I lied to you about pm-ing other people, yes. I thought because of this you would not kill me and sweep our discussion under the rug by it potentially realizing later your direct warning was a scum tell. It seems you did not even realize until I pointed it out. Still, being reminded that others may have got copies maybe have stopped you if you did indeed. You did not said Aiden was 100% okay. I said you were 100% OK in your own opinion and Aiden only pointed this out according to you. The pronoun was refering to Aiden. Here is the quote: 5 hours ago, Daniel Lucas said: The answer was the same, he knows nothing but his points were 100% okay and Aiden just made an objective opinion by pointing out that my accusations are indeed ridiculous. You intentionally do not want to say it out loud. You were warning me of telling about the PM attempt the next day. You never mentioned PM-ing to anybody. It was me mentioning it to you. There is the whole discussion quoted by you, so it is obvious you are lying about this if anyone checks it. You were not afraid of being killed because of your warning, which is a blank warning if you are talking with a scum or a vigilante. A town would have known that, fearing for his life. Only scums would know for sure they are not getting killed by a scum, but even if I would be vigilante your warning would have just pushed me to do it even more. But you did suspected me to be a scum spy very explicitly. This was the biggest scumtell yet from you in my opinion. These points are not inconvenient for me, actually it should be tremendously inconvenient for you. The only thing which is inconvenient for me that you do not get any questions from others because of this, all the work is done by me. You are right about this one. Town is totally not paying attention. I'm not saying you were fishing for role. This is was my idea at that moment after your warning. The warning sounded so authentic at first I've almost claimed to you to finally start building some trust. Only that I've realized that a warning would've likely not came from an actual Town. You've forget that such a warning from a Town is actually total dangerous and senseless if he thinks his discussion partner is a scum. But since you are here, you can prove me otherwise and tell me what was your town plan with that if not only to fish out a potential roleclaim. Why would you warn me beforehand when it is not up to me to decide that. Clearly you wanted to get some arguments from me to make you not do it, like you would have anything already against me. This is why I say you were the one actually fishing. You mentioned now a couple of names as potential scum, but my question is the same as yesterday, as in the pm: Why don't you think of Aiden as scum. You only threw in the possibility, but clearly he is only playing around you if you are town. Why is he not mentioned by you again? Implying you as a town is not hard if a scum does it.
Vincent Denis Posted April 11, 2020 Posted April 11, 2020 *Fwom fwomma fwomma fwom* 38 minutes ago, Daniel Lucas said: Because only to explicit questions can I answer explicitly. Suggestive ones are twisting. Followed by six bullet points of suggestive questions. I'd answer them but I hear they are twisting. Here's an explicit question for you-what is the real reason you PMed me? I don't believe it was because you wanted to ask about the tuba playing. Why would you consider claiming to me (nice soft claim, by the way) if you have so many pings and reasons to not trust me? If I was the person you trusted least on day 1, why would you come to me on night 1 trying to build trust? As far as my motivations, the conversation is out there for everyone to see. I'm town so if anyone else has explicit questions about my behavior, I'll answer them. But I won't let you twist my words with paragraph after paragraph of implicit questions. *Fwomma fwomma fwom fwom Fwomma fwomma fwomma fwom*
Daniel Lucas Posted April 11, 2020 Posted April 11, 2020 Just now, Vincent Denis said: *Fwom fwomma fwomma fwom* Followed by six bullet points of suggestive questions. I'd answer them but I hear they are twisting. Here's an explicit question for you-what is the real reason you PMed me? None of them were questions except the last one! They were answers to yours. I'm actually laughing, this is MADNESS. My god, this is just unfair from you at this point. It is so overtwisting it might actually work out for you if you are not getting lynched by this. And you are using this to avoid the last questions. Madness. gIvE me eXpliCit quEstioNS! I wonder from who did you take that from. You chameleon scum. To answer yours however, I've contacted you mainly because of the fwooming, yes. I wanted to check out if you are going to use that. Since you had some emotional messages there as well without any fwooming I've totally thought it must be an act for sure. And honestly what else would it be? Role playing this hard, not to mention in the middle of a heated debate is anti-town in me eyes. Period. And you said already you won't stop, so I'll also stop mentioning it again as well, because clearly asking twice about it didn't work.
Vincent Denis Posted April 11, 2020 Posted April 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Daniel Lucas said: Why don't you think of Aiden as scum. *fwomma fwomma fwom fwom fwom fwom fwom fwom fwom fwom* I don't trust him enough to put him in the definite town column, but if the three people I suspect and find the scummiest–you, Justin and Fred–all voted for him yesterday, how would you expect me to think of him as scum too? *Fwom fwom fwom fwom fwom fwom fwomma fwomma fwomma fwomma fwoooooooom fwoooooooooom* 6 hours ago, Jean Pelley said: Denis, Denis, avec tes yeux si bleus, I feel so lonely! Nobody talked to me last night except for the giraffe. His name ç'est Harvey. For every Tweedledum and Tweedledee there is a Cheshire Cat who disappears from the fray, grinning all the while. And, по-моему, the biggest grin around here is Joshua's. I picked up on him yesterday: So I want to re-emphasize the reasons Andrew manufactured not to vote for Joshua: Later on he comes and tells us he's confident Vincent & Daniel are town: Interestingly, Tweedledee returns to opine that he agrees with Andrew. Anyway. Makes me think Andrew is doing his very best to bring just a little (but not to much) attention to Joshua. Aside from this Vincent-Daniel bullshit, I am extremely perturbed by the Andrew-Joshua dynamic (or, rather, the deliberate lack of dynamic). Vote: Joshua Levitt *Fwom fwom fwom fwom* I agree with everything you're seeing here. It also is worth noting that Justin never gave us any further opinion on Joshua after he showed up. If he truly wanted to get him talking out of concern that he would try to remain silent, he didn't discern anything Joshua said after showing up. And Joshua didn't give me any solid read as a townie. I want to know what's going on with these three as well, but I think Justin would be the better place to focus than Joshua. *Fwomma fwomma fwom fwom Fwomma fwomma fwom fwom fwom fwooooooom fwooooooom*
Daniel Lucas Posted April 11, 2020 Posted April 11, 2020 Just now, Vincent Denis said: I don't trust him enough to put him in the definite town column, but if the three people I suspect and find the scummiest–you, Justin and Fred–all voted for him yesterday, how would you expect me to think of him as scum too? Okay, that is a fair question. His only argument was that I am unreasonable so far. Even if I am a scum, I'm far from being unreasonable. Even by answering your questions, while you are my other main suspect should show that I'm reacting to reasons. He memed around a bit, made double and triple posts which only inflating his post number, complained about getting a coma because of me, talked about policy lynching me, voted for me, flipped for a revenge vote, talked policy lynching me again, did not had the balls to vote it out. Seems he waits until he can push this thing without voting. Robin(lol) jumped on this out of the thin air after I was questioning him too for his obvious inactivity, parroting Aiden, no specific arguments. Fred(totally not lol) was the next one and I've talked about that. I was surprised honestly. But this is what I say. We obviously still letting people going under the radar. We had every chance to point out everything about each other at this point. I think you are scum, yes. Because of my PM, you think me of as a scum. What is sure that at this point we are making a huge mistake. Because you are right, which is actually blows my mind. The others truly do not give a shit. My suggestion is this: let's just leave each other alone for now and let's see what the others have to say.
Aiden Leon Posted April 11, 2020 Posted April 11, 2020 4 hours ago, Daniel Lucas said: You did not said Aiden was 100% okay. I said you were 100% OK in your own opinion and Aiden only pointed this out according to you. The pronoun was refering to Aiden. Here is the quote: I'm not following this. It sounds like your saying that I said I was "100% OK" with Vincent, so therefore the feeling must be mutual?
Aiden Leon Posted April 11, 2020 Posted April 11, 2020 6 hours ago, Fred Dumont said: With Mr Denis and Mr Lucas arguing back and forth, I’m guessing one is scum, and since the scum can’t communicate and coordinate during the day, other scum members aren’t able to tell their teammate to back off. I say we lynch one today. If he turns up scum, fantastic. If not, we go for the other tomorrow. Vote: Daniel Lucas Getting a raincheck for these circumstances is so scummy. At least stating it as your own opinion would be fine, but using "we" is highly inappropriate. It doesn't matter whether Daniel flips town or scum because either way his points against Vincent were stupid as hell. "OMG guys he using sarcasm!!! He's clearly scum!!! Why can't you see it???" 8 hours ago, Jean Pelley said: If you're town you don't kill him and if you're scum you definitely don't In regards to Daniel's defense of lying about talking to other people, this is pretty much all that needs to be said. Daniel could be tellling the truth and wasn't seeing the full picture, or his defense is bs. 7 hours ago, Daniel Lucas said: Good for you. Also a great, informative argument. Anything more to add? Okay fine. I'll phrase it in a way you'll understand. 7 hours ago, Daniel Lucas said: Go fwooming around then. If something qualifies as zero help, that is it. But you know what? If no one is annoyed by that or questions its real purpose, which is causing pure annoyance and confusion I'm clearly not the one to tell you at this point. "Good for you. Also a great, informative argument. Anything more to add?"
Trenton Monette Posted April 11, 2020 Posted April 11, 2020 Unfortunate to hear about Remi and Micheal. Looking past the Daniel/Vincent/Aiden conflict yesterday Robin's voting pattern struck me as odd. He voted for Micheal. A player he knew hadn't said anything and was most likely to be mod killed anyway. Then took his vote off him but then chose not to vote anyway. No clear position on where he stood or who he thought was scummy. Daniel's PM to Vincent feels off too. And I don't think he's been very helpful at all. The problem is that the longer the two of them are both around and arguing the longer other players slip under the radar and we waste time bickering. Vote: Daniel Lucas
Daniel Lucas Posted April 11, 2020 Posted April 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Aiden Leon said: It doesn't matter whether Daniel flips town or scum because either way his points against Vincent were stupid as hell. Town is very fortunate that you've managed to clear things up so exhaustively about it tough. And it only took a couple of words from you. One sentence is even easier to read than that whole bunch of dummy wall text. I was a fool, thinking I would be not revealed by you right at the spot where I've suspected you. Quite accidental, but it had nothing to do with you thinking my points against Vincent stupid, yes? Also your arguments were so solid actually, I couldn't even counter them. Yes, they are almost non-existent but uncounterable all the same. 57 minutes ago, Aiden Leon said: In regards to Daniel's defense of lying about talking to other people, this is pretty much all that needs to be said. Daniel could be tellling the truth and wasn't seeing the full picture, or his defense is bs. Jean's whole argument that a scum would've not killed after that warning is a single layered wifom, which is practically useless. None of us have died, sure. Now which recursive step was the truth? There is nothing to get out of this, thus I'm sticking to my idea, which is the most simple one. The big picture you are talking about is a wifom speculation. Once you get into that you won't will come out from that rabbit whole with any usable theory. You can tell anything what should have been the smart thing to do for which side in certain situations, but when you are in a PM with someone you think of scum, you are not so all-wise around. You do not risk by making any warnings, starting to speculate in which wifom step they won't kill you after that, unless your potential plan is to die anyways. And I think our PM discussion would not be something worth to die for. Thus I think any blank talk of a big picture is a delusion, but hey, that's just me being unreasonable. 54 minutes ago, Aiden Leon said: "Good for you. Also a great, informative argument. Anything more to add?" Yes. Your hypocrisy with your double standards is without limits. I've clearly contributed quite a lot of arguments, but if you force yourself a bit more, I'm sure you'll manage to cherrypick similar ones. Also I have already 3 votes, so you may want to jump on this anytime soon, don't you? Just now, Trenton Monette said: Daniel's PM to Vincent feels off too. And I don't think he's been very helpful at all. With what exactly, Trenton? Were your text editor blocked by me all the time? If you'd give any specifics as it is clearly something which everybody loves to do here, I'd be happy to clarify. Is it just taken granted that I'm a Scum/Town-to-be-policy-lynched because I've contacted Vincent? Because if that's the case and nothing what I had to say makes any difference, let's all vote on me and just end the day now. Why wasting any time otherwise?
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