Daniel Lucas Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, Bob said: Do not forget that we are playing a fun game of mafia on a LEGO forum. Well Bob, who to tell it is not our play? What are the actual rules for being rude? Because if you have a problem with that, maybe you should've stopped this whole game right at that moment when Vincent made the first personal insults about my decreased brain functionality. I'm not his long known forum friend like trekkie to throw shit like that around, just because I voted for him in a Mafia game. And if he'd behaved with me in a real life mafia game I'd have teached him some manners right at the spot. And none of you others voiced any concerns about this, until I dared you to call lazy braindeads in return. Oh that was instantly hurting, isn't it? Maybe you should have told Vincent to take his pills at D1 and this wouldn't have happened in the first place. Just because someone is playing here for years should not make him any excuses. Are you actually hijacking this very forum for your own personal playground? Also Paul was just yelling me 'FUCK YOU' when I've voted twice on him in Pirates II. Was it rude or just a scum play not breaking the rules? Because he was a scum.
Vincent Denis Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 Just now, Daniel Lucas said: Vincent made the first personal insults about my decreased brain functionality. I'll take responsibility for my part in this. I'm truly sorry I suggested you didn't understand the complexity of the human brain. It was inappropriate. I'm sorry I was rude.
Daniel Lucas Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 Just now, Vincent Denis said: I'll take responsibility for my part in this. I'm truly sorry I suggested you didn't understand the complexity of the human brain. It was inappropriate. I'm sorry I was rude. Gosh, I accept your totally sincere and non-sarcastic apology. By the way do you have family, children? Are they proud of you, picking on other people you don't know anything about in an insulting manner instantly when they vote for daddy on the internet? Because actually I'm quite shamed of the things I've said. And if you look at Pirates II nothing similar came out of my mouth. Maybe I was just lucky I did not vote on Ethan's first poke vote.
Jean Pelley Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 I apologize for insulting your motivations and logic. We do need a lynch and fortunately the very scummy Joshua currently has the most votes. Please change your vote so we may achieve this lynch and come to tomorrow with the information rendered by his flip.
Daniel Lucas Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 13 minutes ago, Vincent Denis said: It was sincere. I meant it. In this case I'm sorry too. And I apologize to the others as well. And I'm sick of the thought that we are being the most posted guys, just like in Pirates II. I am. I totally planned this one to be a calmed and easy-going experimental game. Yes, you Vincent, Aiden and Jean (initially Alex) gave me a very big ping, because yes, I'm a very different breed. Indeed, I play faster games where you have minutes to figure things each Days and Nights and it creates a totally different mindset in your brain. And yes, pro players - much better players than I am - take very serious rules for the Town alignment behaviors, mainly because that is the only "official" alignment until nothing else is proved. Empty padding texts are big No-No for example. Pro players are like a machines, figuring out games with 25 players and dozens of different roles, and leaving behind a lot of crypted messages for endgames. Even being a Fool, (which is a Jester here I suppose as Emmett had suggested) is a totally hard play because you have certain win conditions for that. I'm not sure if this is the case here. A clear index of EB roles should be very important for newer players at this moment. Last game's Commuter is just an example. Also what I've said about the crypted mason play is actually truly a very handful and often used. Countless of games were carried by that, making the difference in a LyLo situation. I don't want to keep putting myself to a high horse, I'm sorry about that. Maybe you are using things like that here as well. Maybe not. Jean said he is just having fun, but to me it would be like playing chess with randomly knocking over a couple of figures and relocating them just for fun. Since I take this game very seriously it is a new scientific ground for me to analyse. I even hope this slower forum one will enhance my play for the faster ones. Paul for example was a huge red glowing spot in my mind only by 3 of his posts. Maybe for others here too, I don't know. Maybe not. I had to work hard for it to make it obvious. Maybe You are one as well here Vincent, yes. Does not mean shit, I'm not a telepath. And yes, I feel the same about Aiden and Jean atm. Maybe because I have strict rules about actualy proper town play. And to be fair I've broken my own rules with my wall texts because my ping filter just went off the map by you. But I truly have to consider maybe I'm just wired for another pace. But sure, maybe there are edge cases where this Mafia 6th sense works totally off on a forum. I need more plays to make a final decision. And btw I'm not so tunnel vision as I look like. I've went after almost every player in my head and Andrew, Joshua and Justin are also on my radar. I don't think any of us would not think of anyone else just because we're focusing on players. I do respect your experience here to know that. And I do think you 3 are too coordinated with your actions. I don't like it. I feel there is no reason for it this soon, but maybe I'm just wrong. I would not dare to say certainly you 3 are the Scum, game is solved. And since we truly have to lynch and Jean asked it nicely twice now, while I feel a bit too picked upon on by him in the meantime, I'll vote on Joshua. And for the record I think the reason is pretty weak. I think we are going to lynch a town. But let's find out. If he is scum I'll have my lesson, and will humble myself, believe me. Also I've never said he can't be a scum, since we truly know almost nothing about our not active players. Since they are truly lurkers and where I come from lurking is like an instant death sentence I do not see lurker scums carrying too often. Yes, I've read almost every Mafia game here from the last 3-4 pages when I've joind to Pirates II so I know about the Star Trek case. Yes, it happens if town loses its own head and this is what I've meant previously about games mainly lost by Town. So I'm very guilty today as well. I apologize, that is truly not my playstyle. Actually on mafia.gg the pace is so fast sometimes I'm being often called as a lurker, just because I read everything very carefully. Totally possible that we're played by those lazy lurkers and I can be a partner in busting their balls from now on instead. Also yeah, I am the Town Jailer. Let's see if I die tomorrow and where I flip to. Unvote: Vincent Denis Vote: Joshua Levitt
Vincent Denis Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 Daniel, I was hoping the lack of tuba-playing would prove my sincerity, but if not let me expand on it. I use the tactic of sarcasm and pushing people to try to trip up scum. It went too far this time and it was out of frustration that I was expressing in a disrespectful way. I have tried to not get personal since it became clear you felt I was getting too personal. I apologize further if I've failed in that attempt. Yes, I expressed glee at the PM being posted where I called you a cunt. That is something I never would've gone in and called you in a serious manner and it wasn't meant for you. It was meant for some humor between Aiden and me. I apologize for that as well. I've been called a lot of things in these games and I don't take it personally anymore, or at least I try not to...at least I tell myself I try not to. Not realizing you were a new player to the forums when I first started in was insensitive on my part. I mean every word of this so I hope you at least know that, even if you do not accept the apology.
Emmett Ware Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 Look at that, a drastic improvement in communication skills when it matters most. I want to be impressed, but I'm also a little suspicious of it. That's mafia for you. Joshua was on my list and clearly offers the best chance of at least getting a result and having something to analyse tomorrow. Still not my first choice, but I don't see any other alternative short of another failed day. Unvote: Daniel Lucas Vote: Joshua Levitt 2 minutes ago, Vincent Denis said: I've been called a lot of things in these games and I don't take it personally anymore, or at least I try not to...at least I tell myself I try not to. You earned most of them.
Vincent Denis Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 *Fwom fwom fwom fwom* 4 minutes ago, Emmett Ware said: You earned most of them. Me? Innocent anonymous Vinvent Denis? You know, I should apologize to everyone for Daniel's actions too, because...karma. Totally my fault. Come on, you were all thinking it. Who is your biggest suspicion then? *Fwom fwom fwomma fwomma fwom fwom fwom fwom fwomma fwomma fwom fwom fwom fwom fwom*
Daniel Lucas Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 Actually Emmett I was cracking up a bit when you mentioned Jester, because the Fool version is actually my favorite role on mafia.gg Since it can't win with being lynched while Town wins and thus actually is an anti-town town role, being alone with no intel, it needs one of the most sophisticated plays and reads I think.
Emmett Ware Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 Just now, Vincent Denis said: Who is your biggest suspicion then? It's still Daniel, but it isn't happening today. If I was absolute on anyone, I'd stick with it, but this has all been a little more mess than my mind can make sense of, so far.
Daniel Lucas Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 2 hours ago, Emmett Ware said: It's still Daniel, but it isn't happening today. If I was absolute on anyone, I'd stick with it, but this has all been a little more mess than my mind can make sense of, so far. Please don't be mad at me for my attitude, I apologize, but that Jester tip was truly not a good one. Without claiming I'd have been wagoned already. Also I honestly don't know how a Jester works here in EB. If just an unconditional suicide-lynch, that is broken.
Justin Reynaud Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 Wow, can I just say thank you to everyone for changing the atmosphere of this game literally overnight! I do believe this will make the game more enjoyable for everyone. We are nearing the end of the day and I don't want to go 2 days without a lynch. Joshua has pinged me a little, but not enough that I think it's the right thing to lynch him today. But as I've said from the beginning, lynches early on are extremely helpful when it comes to analyzing behavior towards the end of the game. Unvote: Vincent Denis Vote: Joshua Levitt
Fred Dumont Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 I go and take a nap and we argue more and then make up. Cool. Since we need a lynch... Unvote: Daniel Lucas Vote: Joshua Levitt
Daniel Lucas Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 With Fred it is 9 already if I'm not mistaken. So Joshua considering there's only a couple of hours left, this would be the time to say something. If you have to say something.
Joshua Levitt Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 (edited) 21 hours ago, Vincent Denis said: I wish we would've lynched the quietest, most flying-under-the-radar on a ship called The Enterprise but we didn't and that person turned out to be an incredibly patient scum. That person was quiet because of dropping out not because of being scum, the replacement was not quiet or flying under the radar. Flying under the radar is a tactic that doesn't work, attacking people who are supposedly flying under the radar is also a lazy tactic that doesn't work. Even in the last pirates game you yourself accused me of flying under the the radar and being scum, I wasn't then or now. When people get confused by all the arguing they just randomly choose a quiet person and throw undefendable accusations on them. It's lazy and irresponsible and will lead to a scum win. Now that there's a successful bandwagon on me, everyone stopped fighting. How interesting that is! How telling that the most rude people are suddenly not rude at all now that an innocent person is going to be killed. I have no great Revelations, nasty words, or accusations to spew out in my last moments. Good luck recovering from not only this mistake but the mindset that led up to it. Edited April 14, 2020 by Joshua Levitt
Vincent Denis Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 *Fwom fwom fwom fwomma fwom* Why'd you edit your post? *Fwom fwom*
Justin Reynaud Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 11 minutes ago, Joshua Levitt said: That person was quiet because of dropping out not because of being scum, the replacement was not quiet or flying under the radar. Flying under the radar is a tactic that doesn't work, attacking people who are supposedly flying under the radar is also a lazy tactic that doesn't work. Even in the last pirates game you yourself accused me of flying under the the radar and being scum, I wasn't then or now. When people get confused by all the arguing they just randomly choose a quiet person and throw undefendable accusations on them. It's lazy and irresponsible and will lead to a scum win. Now that there's a successful bandwagon on me, everyone stopped fighting. How interesting that is! How telling that the most rude people are suddenly not rude at all now that an innocent person is going to be killed. I have no great Revelations, nasty words, or accusations to spew out in my last moments. Good luck recovering from not only this mistake but the mindset that led up to it. If you are town, who are you most suspicious off?
Joshua Levitt Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Justin Reynaud said: If you are town, who are you most suspicious off? You quoted the whole thing to ask a question I answered over 24 hours ago? See, this is the laziness I am talking about. I already went through the whole day and out together my thoughts on the most suspicious people in response to Vincent asking the xact same thing. Of course he didn't even reply to that and the arguments started again instantly to bury my words. I really have nothing else to say. Edited April 14, 2020 by Joshua Levitt
Bob Posted April 14, 2020 Author Posted April 14, 2020 Vote Count: Joshua Levitt - 12 (Jean Pelley, Andrew Laurent, Vincent Denis, Aiden Leon, Peter Lyon, Daniel Lucas, Emmett Ware, Justin Reynaud, Fred Dumont, penalty, penalty, penalty) Daniel Lucas - 1 (Joshua Levitt) With 14 players, a majority of 8 is required. About 4 hours or so remain in Day Two.
Alex Howe Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 On 4/12/2020 at 8:32 PM, Fred Dumont said: Exactly. I don't know if you are or not. I know what I am and am not, and if your target you claim (below) verifies this, then there's a better chance you're town, because I do't think if you're scum you'd willingly say you blocked another scum role, there's too much at risk for such a gamble. So, @Alex Howe, is this true? Were you unsuccessful in a night action if you have an action? Was anyone else who might have targeted Alex unsuccessful? Now, I'm not asking what your roles are, just if an action was performed. Oh boy, I sure was hungry! So hungry that I had a nap right after lunch and seem to have missed a lot of excitement! Sorry about that. Still catching up as there is a LOT of back and forth discussion happening, but to answer this question quickly now, I was not informed that I was jailed, no. I do not have any action though, so I don't think I would necessarily be informed?
Daniel Lucas Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 40 minutes ago, Joshua Levitt said: Now that there's a successful bandwagon on me, everyone stopped fighting. No, we actually stopped fighting to create the bandwagon. I am personally not so happy about this. I've voiced my concerns about certain players you all know of and my only sin was I think is sending a PM message which was taken (or coordinatedly twisted) as a scum act. Which again would have been a totally idiotic thing for a scum, considering that in a lazy paced game like this even just posting too much makes inactive players call you unhelpful. And while Joshua you've voiced similar observations and concerns to me, you did vote on me all the same. I honestly believe you were a bit lazy with that too. There was your chance to make some pressure on people who were going off the grid by playing helping each other quite obviously. But hey, I'm not on a revenge mission or something. I was directly asked to vote on you as a peace offering. And since this means not my head getting to chopping block, I've accepted. I'm just trying to imply that you had your part in it as well, making our possibilities this limited. I've claimed and now you did not. If you are town and you don't want to make things public, you can still send at least 5 different players you trust the most the information. Totally possible that both team will get it, but maybe not. Your call.
Jean Pelley Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 Thank you Daniel for joining us, and honestly the response to the wagon has been very heartening. I think that if Joshua really were town and had nothing of consequence to share, he'd have penaltied himself out of the game before, not after, he got hammered. But he isn't town so his best move is to try to trick us into thinking he is, all the way until he flips on the morning of day three. I'm not fooled.
Fred Dumont Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 55 minutes ago, Alex Howe said: Still catching up as there is a LOT of back and forth discussion happening, but to answer this question quickly now, I was not informed that I was jailed, no. I do not have any action though, so I don't think I would necessarily be informed? I wouldn't say you know you are jailed, just that if you have an action you would receive "unsuccessful." If everyine has a power role. But you not having a role is something we all should discuss tomorrow.
Vincent Denis Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 46 minutes ago, Daniel Lucas said: you can still send at least 5 different players you trust the most the information. *Fwom fwom fwomma fwom* He can't unless he wants to violate the rules. Part of me feels guilty, as I typically do about lynches, because if Joshua is who I think he is, this is a typical reaction to being incorrectly lynched. However, at the same time I think his assessment of The Enterprise is off. The scum in that game, even the second iteration, hung back and only began posting more when prompted. So I'm 50/50 on this with sincerest apologies if you're really frustrated by all of this, Joshua. I believe the frustration, either way. Apologies more if it's town frustration. Important: Just judging from the last two Pirates games I would encourage everyone to hold off on their opinion regarding Alex's vanilla claim. Just think about it for a second... *Fwom fwomma fwomma fwom fwom fwomma fwom fwom*
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