Pirates Mafia III - Day Two

[Peter Lyon]

 

1 hour ago, Daniel Lucas said:

Peter, have you read what I've just said? Vincent and Aiden are confirmed buddy liars or confirmed buddy masons. This is now almost auto game.

There is no way they are town and not masons at this point.

Again if you start the lynch with me and they were lying, they are going to twist the shit out of it not even mentioning this again. But if they are masons, it is now a clear way to confirm at least one of them. And if Vincent turns out town, they were truly masons. Then you kill me next game right away and you have Aiden as confirmed town mason.

I'm trying to read as little of what you're saying as possible, so I may be missing things... my apologies.

I guess I'm able to see the case that they're not both scum and also not masons.  It's entirely possible.  Vincent's choice of Aiden is perfectly logical even if they're not masons.  They don't have to both be scum for that.

Just now, Daniel Lucas said:

My logic is crystal clear.

1. In our PM Vincent warns me he is going to tell. Town would never warn, because scum still can kill because of it. You either point out you've sent PM messages so scum will not risk it. And you send it anyways to be sure.
2. Vincent confessed he sent it to only one person. Aiden.
3. Vincent would have not send the only copy to Aiden if truly town. You need 5 players at least to be sure it is going te be confirmed, since 3-4 scums out there.
4. The PM is still not confirmed by Aiden.
5. Vincent said he had his reasons to trust Aiden.
6. So I say they must be masons, because there is no way he trusts him on N1. Also they were playing together already on D1.
7. Vincent says they are not masons.
8. But if they are not masons, I ask Vincent why did he trust Aiden?
9. He says he might be a fool, thats why.
10. I quote from the PM where Vincent says he does not trust Aiden. This means he was not fool. He knew already if he is Town. So he is lying at this very point. Also see point 5.
11. Therefore Vincent lies.
12. Aiden comes in and gives no confirmation. He only throws in he is confused. No he is not.

I'd say they are town if they were truly masons. But they don't dare to claim masons. Because they are afraid we might actually have masons with an instant counterclaim.

Vincent said he trusted Aiden with this information because Aiden was going after you aggressively.  Hence you are not on the same team.  It's not the same as trusting Aiden completely.  If Vincent is town, I'm not sure the information he shared with Aiden was sensitive enough to need to share it with 5 people.  All he needs is someone not on your team.  If you're scum, Aiden is safe.  If Aiden is scum, you're probably safe and sharing the PM's is fine because he hasn't revealed anything critical to the town and you're not going to be able to kill him anyway.  Aiden won't kill him either because hey, a townie is sharing information.

In the Vincent is scum perspective, it again doesn't matter who he shared it with.  He could just as easily have shared it with scummy teammate Aiden as with honorable townie Aiden.  That would curry favor with a townie.

 

[Daniel Lucas]

What first message? You roleclaimed without Trust? What are you talking about. There is nothing to hide.

[Vincent Denis]

Just now, Daniel Lucas said:

What first message? You roleclaimed without Trust? What are you talking about. There is nothing to hide.

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Be patient, Opie.

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[Daniel Lucas]

Just now, Peter Lyon said:

Vincent said he trusted Aiden with this information because Aiden was going after you aggressively.

Wrong. There is the explicit quote where he says he does not trust Aiden. Also he has no reason to on N1.

On 4/10/2020 at 5:19 AM, Vincent Denis said:

No shit. I said nothing clears Aiden. I even said there's a possibility he was trying to buddy up to me.

Don't you see Peter? It is a contradiction either way.

Just now, Vincent Denis said:

Be patient, Opie.

It is just a quote. Again, what is there to delete? Were you roleclaiming while you said yourself you don't trust him? You said you are no measons.

*masons

[Peter Lyon]

Just now, Daniel Lucas said:

Wrong. There is the explicit quote where he says he does not trust Aiden. Also he has no reason to on N1.

Don't you see Peter? It is a contradiction either way.

There are different levels of trust.

[Daniel Lucas]

Just now, Peter Lyon said:

There are different levels of trust.

Enough to have text already to be delete right now? What is to be deleted if it is no roleclaim? Also he was warning me, a potential scum. If I kill him and his trusted PM partner does not reveal the message there is no trace of it. Please read it again from page7 Peter. Everything is crystal clear now.

[Aiden Leon]

On 4/8/2020 at 2:15 PM, Vincent Denis said:

Would it be inappropriate for me to PM Daniel and call him a cunt?

 

On 4/8/2020 at 5:27 PM, Aiden Leon said:

If your Hink then no not at all. 

 

On 4/8/2020 at 6:26 PM, Vincent Denis said:

It's Hinck with a "c" you know.

I've very suspicious of Fred for voting for you, and still Justin. And I just want Daniel to die.

 

On 4/8/2020 at 6:41 PM, Aiden Leon said:

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Only that I went along truly because of their respones which were just full on scummy

THIS fucking bit pisses me off so much. Such bullshit. 

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I've very suspicious of Fred for voting for you, and still Justin. And I just want Daniel to die.

I'd hope that town was just to scared to say anything, but I fear that if scum got the ball rolling on one of us town would just go with it and see what happens.

 

On 4/8/2020 at 7:50 PM, Vincent Denis said:

Good for you for reading his bullshit. I missed that part because I'm over going through all of his posts. I'm pretty sure that's Robert Walsh. I was working closely with him in the last game and I ignored most of his posts then, too. I ignored a good number of his PMs too. I would be excited to see a new post in the day thread and then realize it was him and then be disappointed it was only him because he's a fucking moron. I barely read half of the PMs he sent as well. 

I don't think the rest of the town was scared, I think they were annoyed.

 

On 4/9/2020 at 5:20 PM, Vincent Denis said:

Can't make this shit up:

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Ready to work together...Mr Hinck?

 

 

On 4/9/2020 at 5:27 PM, Aiden Leon said:

Ooh that kinda makes me think his scum mates chewed him out or something. At the very least it sounds like he's not interested in pursuing you as a being a potential scum so what gives? ?

 

On 4/9/2020 at 5:37 PM, Vincent Denis said:

Same here. If I'm dead. I feel like telling him I'm a bulletproof investigator, which I am not, just to fuck with him.

I tore him a new one in response. There's absolutely no way he spoke to me the way he did all day and wants to be buddies now.

If I'm dead in the morning, please relay these responses to everyone: 

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This makes no sense to me, at all. How could you possibly want to work with someone whose every single word set you off on paragraphs of distrust? You're so convinced that I'm scum, in what actually world do you sincerely want to "work together" right now?

You're bonkers.

100% stone cold bonkers.

 

 

On 4/9/2020 at 6:48 PM, Vincent Denis said:

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Here is how I see it:

1. Either you are scum and I'm practically dead by being right about it. This case you'll handle the heat on you as best as you can with your fwoming tomorrow.
2. You are town in which case you want this rumbling to stop asap as well.

Also I thought this was your call and I've gave my honest response to it. You are the one believing me that I'm town. If this is the case, your best shot at this moment is to utilize it.

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I may have leaned towards town on you all day but the scummiest thing you've done is come to me privately after being completely sure all day that I was scum and ask if I'm ready to work together. Sounds like you're fishing for my night action. If I said "let's work together" then you'd believe I was town?  How does that work exactly? You said all day that you were absolutely sure I was scum, how would you even consider asking me to work with you? If you believed that strongly that I was scum I should be the last person you would want to work with.

 

On 4/9/2020 at 8:15 PM, Aiden Leon said:

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Also I thought this was your call and I've gave my honest response to it. You are the one believing me that I'm town. If this is the case, your best shot at this moment is to utilize it.

Un-fucking-believable. The bit I emboldened is basically a threat. 

 

On 4/9/2020 at 10:12 PM, Vincent Denis said:

I'd call him audacious but then I'd have to define audacity for him. I'd copy the rest of the PMs but it's just the same fucking shit as the day thread. I don't even know why I'm talking to him. 

The subject of the PM, by the way, is "hey douche."  

Just in case you wanted to kill some brain cells:

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It is your choice, but don't say later that I've not proposed.

If you feel better to trust someone other like Aiden, only because he had defended you, it is your choice as well. I was honestly more interested about anyone else who'd come to your defense, because let's be honest. Yours was not the best we've seen.

I can hardly believe he'd think you town without the actual knowledge.

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If anybody else felt the same way about my "defense" I'd have gotten more votes. Nobody agreed with you because not only was my defense sound, your accusations were ludicrous.

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Maybe, but we've got information and that's all Town needs. As you've pointed the others are lurking. If my accusations were bad, what do you think why haven't both of us got any wagon on ourselves?

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Because people ignore those walls of text. PM every player right now and ask them to do you the favor of responding to your accusations and for them to be honest if they didn't read them and if not, why not? Ask them as a player, not the character and tell them you just want to know for the sake of being a better player and see what they say.

And I think your original accusation about me being suspicious about Andrew "out of the blue" was not paid attention to because most people could see that 20 hours had passed between my posts, Andrew had posted three more times along with about a page of other activity from other players, plenty of time to think more about the game and make decisions. Because, as I've said-through heavy sarcasm, yes-that is normal for people to think about things and also respond to new activity.

Here's, I believe, how most people see it, because it how it actually went.

1. Andrew makes a joke post.
2. I respond that it seems like a joke.
3. Twenty hours pass, during which time Andrew makes three more posts and poke votes and so does Justin, with very similar wording.
4. I post that Andrew's posts and his and Justin's votes seem scummy and now looking back his joke (point 1) could be scummy too.
5. I vote for Andrew.

You tell me it's out of the blue, but it wasn't and nobody else sees it that way, because they naturally followed that progression. And I couldn't vote for Andrew at point 2, because point 3 hadn't yet happened and point 3 is what was being responded to it points 4 & 5.

I swear, if you're scum and making me go through this level of explanation for you over something that is simple logic to me, I swear I will never forgive you. I am so busy and depressed right now and you've been really aggravating so far. If explaining this stuff to you turns out to not be necessary and you're just putting on some act, I will honestly never forgive you for it.

Oh, God. I just go off when responding to you. What is it? You're seriously pissing me off. Honestly, PM every player and ask them what they think about your case against me and your posts. Seriously. I think it will help you gain some perspective.

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I don't know why are you getting carried away. Am I being anything aggressive here as well?

I ask you again, becaus you I think you did not understand me. Why do you think, why did the scum not made any wagon on us? Do you believe the scum would not have read everything?

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Why would they care as long as there's no focus on them?? Anybody who agreed with you and started a bandwagon on me, over your reasonings, would've been obvious scum. That's probably why it didn't produce anything for anybody and was just a colossal waste of time.

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Fine. And if someone would've voted for me, wouldn't it be just as obviously scummy? Because it has happened, as you probably know.

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No shit. I said nothing clears Aiden. I even said there's a possibility he was trying to buddy up to me. But your behavior gives him an excuse if he's scum because you'd make a valid policy lynch. And if he's town then he's telling you the truth that he feels you're not helping. It would be risky for scum to come out and try to stop you from what you were doing. I find it more odd that Justin and Fred voted along with you.

The most confounding thing about you is the way you were sure that I was scum at the end of the day and now you're talking to me like you trust me. It's like your scum buddies told you to back track for overdoing it. Make no mistake, my plan is to post immediately in day two that you approached me via PM and ask if I was ready to work together.

 

 

On 4/10/2020 at 12:56 AM, Vincent Denis said:

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As you wish.

But if the Scum kills me tonight you may try to convince them that you two did not teamed up against me, because I'm totally going to flip as Town. I hope in this case you'll share them this as well...

For your information I PM'd around some before you even without suggestion and yes, I've got the feeling that you'd be truly Town. Now I'm not sure again. I'm still not being contradictional if you'd take a look about it again and not making it kind of personal.

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I highly doubt the scum will try to kill you. I imagine they want to keep you around because our squabble created chaos, confusion, distraction. That's what they want. 

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Fair enough. In this case I guess you are happy that you helped a lot with it all the fwooming.

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I'm trying to have fun. If it's really that hard for you, just ignore the top and bottom of my post. Jesus...

He PMed around and got the feeling I'd be Town or his scum buddies told him that's what most people probably think?

What a piece of shit.

I'm on mobile btw.

 

 

JK

Sorry for the names Daniel, but cmon dude.

[Vincent Denis]

Just now, Daniel Lucas said:

Enough to have text already to be delete right now? What is to be deleted if it is no roleclaim? Also he was warning me, a potential scum. If I kill him and his trusted PM partner does not reveal the message there is no trace of it. Please read it again from page7 Peter. Everything is crystal clear now.

*Fwom fwom*

Quit putting words in my mouth. I said censored. I used some words throughout that he may feel compelled to censor and I prefer they sit out in their full glory.

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[Aiden Leon]

5 minutes ago, Vincent Denis said:

Aiden, make sure you leave my first message in, un-censored please. Thank you.

Oh f*ck I finished that in my head before I finished reading it and saw you saying the opposite and almost gave myself a heart attack. 

[Vincent Denis]

Just now, Aiden Leon said:

Oh f*ck I finished that in my head before I finished reading it and saw you saying the opposite and almost gave myself a heart attack. 

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Nope. You did it perfectly. I'd hate to see one of my favorite words with asterisks in the good spots. Thank you!

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[Daniel Lucas]

My god, this does not prove anything about you not being a scum.

Does not prove why would you have trusted him and only him. This is nothing. If Aiden just trusts you about this, because only he got the only message, this is ridiculous.

Also the part that you've ignored our PM messages last game dear Ethan is a fucking lie. We three worked out togethet with Liam to get Paul finally. Who was scum. Who was pointed out by me first. While you were chasing Ansel. You were twisting even in this PM message.

[Vincent Denis]

Just now, Daniel Lucas said:

My ... message.

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I have not lied about anything in this game. Now my entire Inbox is out there for everyone to see. All of it true.

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[Fabien Bellamy]

Okay.

I don't see anything in those PMs that requires sharing "to at least 5 players just in case 3 of them are Scum". There's nothing really sensitive, just sharing opinions. Not a single role claim, not a night action result, nothing factual.

Daniel, what makes you think that Vincent should have PMed this to half the group?

[Jean Pelley]

39 minutes ago, Daniel Lucas said:

This is why are the third potential scum. You are keep helping them and twisting since page1. You have zero arguments just empty cynical wishwashing. And all 3 of you are voting on Joshua. But no, you are not working together. And all 3 of you have voted for Justin before. But no, you are not working together.

Daniel, you obviously want us to lynch either you or Vincent. That's not happening today just because of the numbers. Right now Joshua is on 5 while you are on 4. If you really think we are working together, why don't you help us lynch Joshua so we'll at least have one concrete answer in the new day?

Just now, Fabien Bellamy said:

Daniel, what makes you think that Vincent should have PMed this to half the group?

This smacks of fake concern. I don't like it, Fabien.

[Daniel Lucas]

Show us the screenshots. This text can be tinkered with.

Also when I asked you why you trusted Aiden you said, "you guess you was a fool because of that".

But if you was a fool to trust Aiden why did you said to me in the PM that you don't trust him. Oh, are you lying in PMs as well? Or you trusted him with this, really just because he defended you? You was making contact with me last game when I've said I've trusted you. And that was not true but you jumped on it. This is how your play works? 

If I'm truly scum and killed you and Aiden is scum too (which you still can't know for sure) nothing would have been left of this. Don't you ever started to think maybe we two are playing you? Why are you so sure of this? Even you pointed out possible scum for scum scenarios.

Why did you not sent this to others as well?

This one totally does not add up. Either they are just playing us or reading each other, but that makes no sense to work together this strong all game. You haven't even considered asking real questions from each other. Are you still PM-ing at daylight? You were all voting for Justing. Then on Joshua. You were both very explicit thinking me as a Town, even talking and hinting about policy lynch but talking about me being scum in this PM discussion.

One of us still has to be a Scum or you guys just running around playing mafia and PM-ing around people without any well-thought plan and well-grounded trust whatsoever. How all of it is better while your all vote game is based on the first poke vote taken?

[Vincent Denis]

Just now, Jean Pelley said:

This smacks of fake concern. I don't like it, Fabien.

*Fwom fwom fwom*

It's also inaccurate. Daniel isn't saying I should've sent my conversation with Aiden to five people. He's saying I should've post my conversation with Daniel to five people.

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[Emmett Ware]

34 minutes ago, Vincent Denis said:

Looking over the day thread, these are the people who appear to be using Daniel's constant posts against me and whoever agrees with me as cover from looking at everyone else.

Emmett

If you're curious, Joshua, Justin, Alex and Andrew have all pinged me the wrong way at times. I've gone back and forth more on you, trying to imagine if this whole day derailment is intentional, but I'm leaning against it. That would take a level of planning and coordination that is impossible in a no-PM game.

Unless, as Daniel suggests, your tuba is sending out messages in Morse code.  

I really otter join the band. Maybe I could use one of the many empty jugs around here. Yep, Emmett otter jug band. *woop woop womp* 

[Aiden Leon]

Just now, Daniel Lucas said:

Show us the screenshots. This text can be tinkered with.

Fine.

Spoiler

 

[Daniel Lucas]

Just now, Fabien Bellamy said:

Daniel, what makes you think that Vincent should have PMed this to half the group?

Because warning the other player that you are going to tell the next day that contact was made is reckless. Also it was just an attempt from me to get a read on him about the fwooming and decide whether he truly thinks me as Town. Because he was voicing itt all over D1. Clearly believing me scum is the obvious choice, but then why would've you kept repeating that I think Daniel is scum. Just a silly one for accusing me! This makes no sense to me.

If I were truly Scum on a fishing mission (which would have been idiotic after I was truly accusing him) I could've just changed my mind and simply kill him because of this. I was there for information yes, but not roles. Why would he gave me any roles anyway? That is totally a blank accusation. And people jumping on this as scummy is idiotic. 

I was looking for incosistency. If he would have warned me that he made several copies of the discussion that would have been the real town defense. And if not defending, why warning?

On 4/10/2020 at 5:19 AM, Vincent Denis said:

Make no mistake, my plan is to post immediately in day two that you approached me via PM and ask if I was ready to work together.

This sounds like a scum trying to sound Town-ish. Only that a Town would not remind his potential Scum discussion partner about this. This is a forced town-talk. That is my opinion. Also ha just shittalked about me for Aiden after this, instead of sending around multiple PM's. Because if he did take me as a Scum that's what you do. And this is why I think he is Scum. I think he knew exactly that I'm not Scum. That's why he was so carelass just to tell this about only one other person, the one who defended him. And see, we are still at each other's throat with Aiden since.

[Vincent Denis]

5 minutes ago, Daniel Lucas said:

Also when I asked you why you trusted Aiden you said, "you guess you was a fool because of that".

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There was no explicit question. You said I'm either scum or a fool and given those two options, I'm a fool because I'm not scum.

If anybody needs the screenshots, I've made them. But only if someone rational asks.

2 minutes ago, Emmett Ware said:

If you're curious, Joshua, Justin, Alex and Andrew have all pinged me the wrong way at times. I've gone back and forth more on you, trying to imagine if this whole day derailment is intentional, but I'm leaning against it. That would take a level of planning and coordination that is impossible in a no-PM game.

I've been leaning town on you, in case you're curious. I apologize ahead of time if that sets Daniel off on you next.

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[Daniel Lucas]

" I think Daniel is town". Sry that's what I've meant. He told all day that I'm town.

Just now, Vincent Denis said:

I apologize ahead of time if that sets Daniel off on you next.

No. If you are town I tell you what happened. You are a child, that's what happened. And you got personal and all emotional about one vote on you. Also yours and trekkies identitiy revealing game just fucks up the whole anonimity game. Like you guys wouldn't be so obvious too. You guys are playing like loose cannons. And you preach me about playing Mafia. Maybe you should have get out of your own ass and go to a dedicated platform just for once people would finally ground you there for having zero idea about basic, and actually helpful Town behaviour.

Your crying to Aiden that you was ignoring Robert Walsh the previous game is a filthy lie as well. What are you, like bipolar? You was the one contacting me and was crying all over the place about Liam being scummy. I was the one pointing out Paul right after his first twisting scum talk. If you are Town, you are just a hasty, immature mafia player and this is exactly why you've got played at the end of Star Trek.

And if you would just stopped talking about me being brain damaged, being sarcastic and personal after the first 5 posts and just get over it, we could have focused on the others already. But you are just jumping from one to another feeding from the first nonsense poke vote. Like you were not the same with your initial useless poke vote on trekkie last game. And how you preached about it being just a joke when people started to pick you.

Your play is bad. Either this or you are a scum. Choose.

 

[Aiden Leon]

8 minutes ago, Daniel Lucas said:

Maybe you should have get out of your own ass and go to a dedicated platform just for once people would finally ground you there for having zero idea about basic, and actually helpful Town behaviour.

This is why we have a 18 & up rule on this forum.

I don't even wanna lynch him I just wanna kick him and move on.

I wouldn't come into your house and b!tch you out for your design choices because I didn't like them. It's your house dude you do what you want with it. Same goes here.

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[Daniel Lucas]

Just now, Aiden Leon said:

This is why we have a 18 & up rule on this forum.

I don't even wanna lynch him I just wanna kick him and move on.

On 4/7/2020 at 5:00 AM, Vincent Denis said:

Perhaps you don't realize the complexity of the human brain and how curiosity and searching can spark thought, but that's the process I go through when hunting scum.

Your hypocrisy is pathetic. This is not a mafia game, this is a couple of guys playing with each other in a totally sanctimonious and unprofessional manner. You two should have been maybe ground already. You are the one breaking your own rules.

You join into an anonimity game and fuck it up the first instant you have the chance. No, you are forum inbred jerks and honestly, new players on this platform should not bother playing around with you.

[Bob]

Vote Count:
Joshua Levitt - 5 (Jean Pelley, Andrew Laurent, Vincent Denis, Aiden Leon, Peter Lyon)
Daniel Lucas - 3 (Fred Dumont, Emmett Ware, Joshua Levitt)
Vincent Denis - 2 (Justin Reynaud, Daniel Lucas)

With 14 players, a majority of 8 is required. About 21 hours or so remain in Day Two. 

 

If I could make a general request, I'd prefer if we could all try to be a bit more civil to each other. Do not forget that we are playing a fun game of mafia on a LEGO forum.  Also, if I missed your vote or unvote, please let me know.

[Fabien Bellamy]

I feel this is getting out of control. While I can appreciate the intensity of the game, there's a limit to my enjoyment of name calling and personal attacks. It's only a game, no need to get all worked up about it.