Pirates Mafia - Day Two

[Thomas Chapman]

17 hours ago, Bartholomew Brewster said:

That someone was Thomas Chapman, who cast his vote against me while pointing out he didn't want to vote Pinkerton.  When Louisa called him out for this, he said he looked at the rules and assumed Pinkerton would be killed if he didn't show up.  FWIW, it was right around this time, still fairly early in voting, that Nigel cast the first vote against Pinkerton.

Aside from Jack, who merely called them wasted votes, you were the first to call out the votes on Pinkerton as suspicious yesterday.  Do you agree with others that Remy is the most suspicious there or is someone else more scummy to you?

I assumed wrongly the rules be the standard fare, and I do agree votes on the Anchor be wasted.

11 hours ago, Gordon Smith said:

Alright, everyone, confession time. If we’re going to get through this, we need to be honest, and that starts with me coming open about something.

I’m a furry AND a pirate. 

Deal with it.

As interesting as the Remy situation is, I’m interested in knowing who people are hedging their votes on.

I’m currently eyeing Chapman. He hasn’t done anything too productive yet, besides quote our murdered comrade, and his reasoning for voting for Bartholomew seem a little off, personally. “Low post count” on day 1 isn’t anything too suspicious, as there’s not a lot to go off of. 

A furry and a Pirate? This be too much. I found Barty a good vote as he be one of the two at the time who had contributed not too much, even if Day 1 tend to be as fluffy as your furry suit.

As we move forward in the day, my three suspects be Ogden, although he seems to be getting some unfair heat for possible words bein misued; Gordon for his somewhat odd statements, not because he called out me; Remy, because he be French and dirty. I kid, Remy is interesting because the heat be going fast on him early, though perhaps not without sound reason. For now, I cast me vote the following way:

Vote: Remy Fontaine

[Joseph Finch]

12 hours ago, Patrick Triggs said:

Wouldst thou like to contribute and say why you think Remy is scummy, considering he hasn't contributed yet today and you didn't vote for him yesterday?

 

Triggs (hey that’s you!) and Alden have both raised legitimate suspicions about Remy flip-flopping and I’m convinced there’s at least one Imperial voting for Pinkerton yesterday - Remy has drawn the most heat of any of those four.

I also find it odd he has had both Hammond and Dixon not-so-subtlety try to deflect attention away from him.

I don’t like sending anyone to the sharks Day 1, as has been well documented, but if we don’t vote anybody off today us pirates will just be spinning our wheels, and not in a good way! 

Vote: Remy “Ze Baguette” Fontaine

[Jack Alden]

16 hours ago, Louisa Hammond said:

Lots of talking about Remy. Makes me feel a wee bit like maybe he's not one of dem Imperials we be looking for.

That's the strangest logic I've ever hear.  Note to self: Test the ship's rum stash.

 

16 hours ago, Louisa Hammond said:

Any thoughts on Jane?

Me be missing Jane, she was a fine wench.  What are your thoughts on Jane?

 

14 hours ago, Gordon Smith said:

I’m a furry AND a pirate. 

I always suspected ... thanks for being honest.

 

9 hours ago, Remy Fontaine said:

Lots of talk about me... Well, I know if I am dead and those who vote for me, are definitely as scummy as it is. This is not called being helpful and as far as I am concerned. I only care for the day to move forward. Because if we can't practice an informed decision, then we are as good as sitting dead ducks to me. Just because I am ambiguous or rather not able to give anything concrete means I could be a threat. How naive. 

I don't think this helps your case at all, as you still haven't answered the reasons provided as to why you are looking suspicious.  Being ambiguous is not helpful.

Why did you change your stance of voting on Day 1?  Why vote for someone who was most likely going to be walking the plank anyway?  Why vote late in the day when it wasn't going to make a difference?

Vote: Remy Fontaine

 

6 hours ago, Louisa Hammond said:

From what I've seen so far, too much agreed consensus that Remy be a spy. I'm not saying everyone that's called him Imperial scum so far can't be a loyal pirate, but there is a chance they're not.

That said though, at the moment I'd still still lynch him.

Sitting on the fence now? Sowing seeds of doubt, while leaving the option open to vote for him ...

 

6 hours ago, Nigel Clayton said:

Tis a shame we lost two of our number, one to a cowardly assassin in the night and one to dereliction of duty.  It seems that the votes from yesterday be needing more explanation.  I voted for our absent man in order to avoid voting for an active crew mate.    If he were to be eliminated it was a safe place to put me spot in order to avoid lynching another.  Losing two friends in one night be bad, losing three would have been worse.  Do ye kin what I'm sayin?

Me dunno kin what you're saying.  Voting was optional, so you didn't need to find somewhere safe to put a vote.  You coulda just not voted.

 

4 hours ago, Henry Ogden said:

To address the five parrots pirates who quoted the exact same thing from me: by ‘sure’, I meant I want the Imperials to think they should take me out, so they wouldn’t... or they would, because you don’t ask to be taken out if you want to, so I must be alluding to something else.  Do I want them to take me out, or do I want them to avoid me at night?  I don’t know, it’s all very ridiculous when five parrots ask you to explain the exact same thing.  There’s about a 99% chance that one or two of that five is Imperial scum just bandwagoning for the heck of it.  Timothy Dixon probably analyzed my quote poorest.

Anyway, I have no opinion on Remy at the moment.  It seems like some small things are getting blown up to 400%, thrown on the wall, poked with pins, and networks of red string are being tied on it... all coming out to gibberish.  At the same time, I don’t have any better suggestions.

Not that ridiculous to think that a statement you wrote to draw attention did draw some attention.  Also, asking someone to explain their statement is not exactly a bandwagon. No-one has voted for you for this yet. 

What is the gibberish you are referring to?

Anyway, at this point consider yourself on the radar.  You've got me wondering what the hell you're up to.  

 

2 hours ago, Bartholomew Brewster said:

By this logic, any time we start to develop a consensus about someone being scum, they probably aren't scum?  That would mean we'd never actually catch one.  At some point, the Imperials will have to join in on a conversation against one of their own in order to blend in.

Exactly!

[Malcolm Langley]

9 hours ago, Remy Fontaine said:

Lots of talk about me... Well, I know if I am dead and those who vote for me, are definitely as scummy as it is. This is not called being helpful and as far as I am concerned. I only care for the day to move forward. Because if we can't practice an informed decision, then we are as good as sitting dead ducks to me. Just because I am ambiguous or rather not able to give anything concrete means I could be a threat. How naive. 

A huge pity and loss that we lose both of these mates. I don't know what to make up of it and right now. 

Arggg! If you want the day to move forward, why not make some accusations against others? Who here do you find scummy at the moment? Remember, only you can dig your own grave. 

5 hours ago, Henry Ogden said:

To address the five parrots pirates who quoted the exact same thing from me: by ‘sure’, I meant I want the Imperials to think they should take me out, so they wouldn’t... or they would, because you don’t ask to be taken out if you want to, so I must be alluding to something else.  Do I want them to take me out, or do I want them to avoid me at night?  I don’t know, it’s all very ridiculous when five parrots ask you to explain the exact same thing.  There’s about a 99% chance that one or two of that five is Imperial scum just bandwagoning for the heck of it.  Timothy Dixon probably analyzed my quote poorest.

Anyway, I have no opinion on Remy at the moment.  It seems like some small things are getting blown up to 400%, thrown on the wall, poked with pins, and networks of red string are being tied on it... all coming out to gibberish.  At the same time, I don’t have any better suggestions.

Argg. I am not one of them doctors, and thus your words confuse me. I find this a bit odd, like someone trying to brush away a mistake with the magic of confusion. 

So it seems we already have 2 votes for our fellow pirate Remy. I would agree that he be mighty scummy today, but not much resistance has popped up from Remy. Surely if he truly be scum he would at least put up more of a fight. Also as it happens already 3 have voted for the lad. Part of me is suspecting the scum could be directing us here. 

I want a lynch today and if nothing better comes up I will vote for Remy. At the moment I don't feel completely comfortable with voting for him, not without more discussion at least. I do believe in voting though so I will Vote: Henry Ogden. His original comment was odd itself, but his follow up is just a confusing mess which doesn't help town in any sense. He is smelling mighty fishy to me. 

[Nigel Clayton]

15 minutes ago, Jack Alden said:

 

Me dunno kin what you're saying.  Voting was optional, so you didn't need to find somewhere safe to put a vote.  You coulda just not voted.

 

This aint the first time I've heard this from some of ye here.  What do ye mean voting be optional.  Does that not come with a harsh punishment the next day?

5 hours ago, Henry Ogden said:

To address the five parrots pirates who quoted the exact same thing from me: by ‘sure’, I meant I want the Imperials to think they should take me out, so they wouldn’t... or they would, because you don’t ask to be taken out if you want to, so I must be alluding to something else.  Do I want them to take me out, or do I want them to avoid me at night?  I don’t know, it’s all very ridiculous when five parrots ask you to explain the exact same thing.  There’s about a 99% chance that one or two of that five is Imperial scum just bandwagoning for the heck of it.  Timothy Dixon probably analyzed my quote poorest.

Anyway, I have no opinion on Remy at the moment.  It seems like some small things are getting blown up to 400%, thrown on the wall, poked with pins, and networks of red string are being tied on it... all coming out to gibberish.  At the same time, I don’t have any better suggestions.

This be some very slick double talk Mr. Ogden.   Do it be a speech of an innocent man, or of a trapped rat?  Smells of the rat to me.  

VOTE: Henry Ogden

[Jack Alden]

Just now, Nigel Clayton said:

This aint the first time I've heard this from some of ye here.  What do ye mean voting be optional.  Does that not come with a harsh punishment the next day?

The Captain has told us we "may" vote after the first 24 hours, which suggests we can choose whether or not to vote.  The Captain usually tell us explicitly if voting is compulsory.

On 3/3/2019 at 11:30 PM, Bob said:

4)    A game day will last 72 hours. You may vote after the first 24 hours of the day. Once the day is over, you will have 24 hours to send in a night action if this applies to you. Nights will last at most 48 hours. Do not talk about the game outside of the day thread.

 

[Nigel Clayton]

Just now, Jack Alden said:

The Captain has told us we "may" vote after the first 24 hours, which suggests we can choose whether or not to vote.  The Captain usually tell us explicitly if voting is compulsory.

 

Do this be true Captain?  Do ye allow the holdin of your spot?  

[Patrick Triggs]

3 hours ago, Bartholomew Brewster said:

By this logic, any time we start to develop a consensus about someone being scum, they probably aren't scum?  That would mean we'd never actually catch one.  At some point, the Imperials will have to join in on a conversation against one of their own in order to blend in.

It's absolutely true that Imperials and their ilk pile on to bandwagons, and equally true that Imperials must bus their own in order to maintain cover. Barty, you're introducing some serious WIFOM, which is a shame because all I have at the moment is grog. I am indeed suspicious of Remy, but the case against him is far from incontrovertible, so bussing (? what is a bus? is it related to keel-hauling?) isn't called for just yet. I agree with Malcolm that this is probably a wagon rather than a bus:

20 minutes ago, Malcolm Langley said:

So it seems we already have 2 votes for our fellow pirate Remy. I would agree that he be mighty scummy today, but not much resistance has popped up from Remy. Surely if he truly be scum he would at least put up more of a fight. Also as it happens already 3 have voted for the lad. Part of me is suspecting the scum could be directing us here. 

Actually, this apparent wagon on Remy makes me realize that someone else who voted for Alexander Pinkerton behaves in much the same way as Remy: Nigel. Let's look at what he said once voting opened yesterday:

On 3/4/2019 at 2:22 PM, Nigel Clayton said:

*Looks around the ship, eyin those who are and are not yet present.*

Seems a bit suspicious that we have a fellow who has yet to show himself.  Is there not a Pinkerton on the roll call?  Where might he be.  Seems he could be one of those imperials to afeared to show his face.  

Alexander “The Anchor” Pinkerton

(unless I missed something and we arent supposed to vote for him)

On 3/5/2019 at 6:57 AM, Nigel Clayton said:

Agreed, you know there will be strict punishments for those who fail to give the black spot when it is called for.

On 3/6/2019 at 7:12 AM, Nigel Clayton said:

I seems that there will be none that collect the 8 spots needed to be sent to the deep.  Be that for good or for ill of the crew we shall see.   Captain, how much longer before ye call it a day?

Yesterday he seems very concerned with following the rules of this Imperial hunt without contributing very much if anything. Imagining rules when they don't say one must cast a vote is pointless playacting at usefulness. Today, he's been preemptively defensive about his vote for Alex without actually explaining anything further:

7 hours ago, Nigel Clayton said:

Tis a shame we lost two of our number, one to a cowardly assassin in the night and one to dereliction of duty.  It seems that the votes from yesterday be needing more explanation.  I voted for our absent man in order to avoid voting for an active crew mate.    If he were to be eliminated it was a safe place to put me spot in order to avoid lynching another.  Losing two friends in one night be bad, losing three would have been worse.  Do ye kin what I'm sayin?

It be too early in this voyage to have a hard feeling just yet, but I be scrutinizin.  There is much to consider.

Also, Nigel has just voted for Henry a mere 15 minutes (by my reckoning of the sextant) after Malcolm did, parroting the latter's rationale. In fact, Nigel hasn't said anything about Remy at all. I am curious: is Nigel staying away from the Remy wagon in order to look innocent? Is he trying to start a second wagon? I wonder....

 

[Nigel Clayton]

He be staying away from the Remy wagon because he aint been convinced he be the spy.  Now ye got me speaking of myself like I be somebody else.  I did not cast me spot for Remy because I don't follow the reasoning.  Perhaps I be too used to following the rules of the ship.  Them seem a bit more lax than I am used to.   So ye say I was defensive, well everyone else who cast the spot on our mission crewmen was being scrutinized.  Now you be trying to cast a shadow on me for clarifyin my actions.  I'm going to notch this up to you being a fellow loyalist afraid for his captain, but don't be casting dispersions on my loyalty boyo.  I declare this to you here and now I do be loyal to the captain.

[Timothy Dixon]

Mr Ogden's response doesn't actually strike me as scummy but rather confusing. I can't put my finger on what I'm trying to say but I would just expect a scum to provide some kind of explanation rather than confuse everyone even further. I'd like to get a lynch today and out of the two main options I'm more happy to vote for Remy than I am Henry. 

Vote: Remy Fontaine

[Henry Ogden]

6 hours ago, Malcolm Langley said:

 

Argg. I am not one of them doctors, and thus your words confuse me. I find this a bit odd, like someone trying to brush away a mistake with the magic of confusion. 

So it seems we already have 2 votes for our fellow pirate Remy. I would agree that he be mighty scummy today, but not much resistance has popped up from Remy. Surely if he truly be scum he would at least put up more of a fight. Also as it happens already 3 have voted for the lad. Part of me is suspecting the scum could be directing us here. 

I want a lynch today and if nothing better comes up I will vote for Remy. At the moment I don't feel completely comfortable with voting for him, not without more discussion at least. I do believe in voting though so I will Vote: Henry Ogden. His original comment was odd itself, but his follow up is just a confusing mess which doesn't help town in any sense. He is smelling mighty fishy to me. 

Sorry, you’re confused, so you think I deliberately confused you to brush away a mistake?  What was the mistake?  I said what I said, I have no interest in taking it back.  I don’t think you’re scummy over this vote, but I’ve made note of it.

I’m going to go have some grog, go over what’s been said, then place a vote.  At the very least, I think we need to demand everyone vote today, lynch or not.  We need to put some cards out on the table.

[Gordon Smith]

I’ve heard murmurs of individuals not voting. Let me make some clear: I will vote for you if you do not vote. Withholding your vote is intentionally hiding your opinion from loyal pirates. It’s top tier scummy behaviour. 

As much as I advocated for Chapman, and I will admit I find him suspicious still, I’d prefer to vote towards something that’s going somewhere. Louisa’s also made some weird statements in my mind. You voted for Remy yesterday but you seemingly question the votes on him today. I’m curious as to why yesterdays heat continuing through today makes you reconsider him? 

Vote: Louisa

I’m willing to vote for Remy to secure a lynch and get somewhere today, but I’m pretty suspicious of Louisa at this point.

11 hours ago, Bartholomew Brewster said:

That I was going to look at the folks who commented on Pinkerton as well as those who actually cast a vote for him.  Too often people just look at the votes.

By this logic, any time we start to develop a consensus about someone being scum, they probably aren't scum?  That would mean we'd never actually catch one.  At some point, the Imperials will have to join in on a conversation against one of their own in order to blend in.

I don't like this line at all.  Chapman's vote for me due to low post count is a perfectly valid early day 1 vote.  What's really off about this, though, is that you voted for Pinkerton as a "wake up call".  How is that any different than a low post count vote?

 

There’s a big discrepancy between not posting and low post count, Bartholomew.

[Malcolm Langley]

1 hour ago, Henry Ogden said:

Sorry, you’re confused, so you think I deliberately confused you to brush away a mistake?  What was the mistake?  I said what I said, I have no interest in taking it back.  I don’t think you’re scummy over this vote, but I’ve made note of it.

I’m going to go have some grog, go over what’s been said, then place a vote.  At the very least, I think we need to demand everyone vote today, lynch or not.  We need to put some cards out on the table.

Arggg! The mistake seems to be your original post where you seemed to be surprised you were still alive. Instead of giving a reason why you said that, you gave a big confusing post explaining nothing. That to me is what seems like brushing off a mistake. 

Remy, you are certainly not making me any less suspicious of you by not contributing. You are getting scummier as the day goes on. Any thoughts on anybody? You have been very silent ever sense you caught steam. Did we catch a scum who is now trying to not dig his hole deeper by just not participating? 

[Geoffrey Holton]

Earlier today I thought Ogden's comments were a clear demonstration of a scummy mindset... even going so far as to pretend to have been concerned about getting night-killed. Now I'm not so sure, since I know a few... less experienced, or less... fluent-in-Piratese have been prone to making similarly bewildering statements regardless of affiliation in the past. I'm by no means convinced atm, but I'd rather hedge my bets and vote for someone who's behavior I can actually analyze. Ogden feels like a wildcard.

So right now my 4 primary suspects are Bart and Remy for evading the Lynch on Day 1 (It makes sense to me that if there was an Imperial on the chopping block yesterday that a competent scum team would have subtly maneuvered themselves to diminish the effects of a bandwagon); Timothy, for repeatedly ignoring my accusations of him and for his scummy behavior previously mentioned.... and now Louisa. 

I strongly agree with Gordon that Louisa's behavior today has been highly suspect. I'll switch to Remy if we need to lynch someone and this goes no where but I'd really like to hear from Louisa too.
vote: Louisa
Her behavior feels like it's changed. Yesterday she was more on the offensive, poking and making accusations... but now she seems intent on defending Remy. It makes me wonder if she voted for Remy yesterday because she wasn't worried that he would be lynched, but now that he's Day 2's favorite lynch candidate she feels compelled to ease the Town over and direct our attention elsewhere. I don't want to tunnel into a WIFOM logic bomb but regardless of Remy's affiliation, her behavior smells fishy to me... and not like the good piratey fishy smell. Like... a braised salmon with a twist of lemon sort of imperial fishy smell. 

[Henry Ogden]

1 hour ago, Malcolm Langley said:

Arggg! The mistake seems to be your original post where you seemed to be surprised you were still alive. Instead of giving a reason why you said that, you gave a big confusing post explaining nothing. That to me is what seems like brushing off a mistake. 

And I’ve explained it was a deliberate statement that I didn’t regret.  I think the mistake is the folks who think that that is some sort of scum ploy to.... what exactly?  Anyway.  I can promise you I’ll say the exact same thing tomorrow if I’m alive... except I won’t be surprised since scum would never night kill someone who’s getting votes.  Thanks for keeping me safe!

[Henry Ogden]

Going over things, I do think it’s good to consider day one’s votes, as some have said.  I think the scum would have been happy railroading a townie day one if they could.  They can do that WIFOM bit where they just chill and let us get paranoid and throw accusations around willy nilly, but I think they would have happily piled on to Remy or Barty if they were innocent pirates, just to help the lynch pick up momentum.  So I’d like to look at those two.  So far, Remy is the pick (and keep note of those choosing to start a vote in a different direction.  This is a team activity, so you should have very strong reasons if you want to push back against the flow.  We’re pirates, not cowboys.

vote: Remy

21 hours ago, Remy Fontaine said:

Lots of talk about me... Well, I know if I am dead and those who vote for me, are definitely as scummy as it is.

No Remy, this is not a helpful statement.  If you are lynched today, most of the votes will be town.  

1 hour ago, Geoffrey Holton said:

Ogden feels like a wildcard.

Yes, that’s right. 

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Her behavior feels like it's changed. Yesterday she was more on the offensive, poking and making accusations... but now she seems intent on defending Remy. It makes me wonder if she voted for Remy yesterday because she wasn't worried that he would be lynched, but now that he's Day 2's favorite lynch candidate she feels compelled to ease the Town over and direct our attention elsewhere. I don't want to tunnel into a WIFOM logic bomb but regardless of Remy's affiliation, her behavior smells fishy to me... and not like the good piratey fishy smell. Like... a braised salmon with a twist of lemon sort of imperial fishy smell. 

I think you’re onto something with this line of thought, and contrary to what I just said, this is a legit reason to vote against the flow.

[Louisa Hammond]

Vote: Remy Fontaine

The more recent discussion about Remy feels very town led so my confidence in this lynch has been restored. 

Our dear late fellow pirate Jane said this yesterday. 

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Yep. See what I said above.... sometimes the day 1 wagon is innocent, but often there's scummos pushing it too. The fact that we DIDN'T have more of a wagon on anyone makes me lean towards there being scum among the vote leaders (As of now, Alexander has 4, but those are mostly late votes. Bart and Remy both picked up 3 and then those wagons faltered, so both of those 2 are pinging my radar)

Similarly, when the opposite of this started happening this morning, I started feeling the lynch wasn't entirely town led. 

Considering a massive bandwagon hasn't piled onto Remy, I'm back to feeling confident about this lynch.

 

Gordon and Henry are odd ones.

Henry with his statement of being surprised he's wasn't killed, and then his later posts explaining himself.

Gordon has been kinda pinging me for awhile now. more recently, his vote on me feels like a desperate attempt to place his vote somewhere aside from Remy. Same could be said about others as well.

[Henry Ogden]

Louisa’s pinging me now too.  Falling in line when called out, not really giving a decent reason for changing her feelings (“it feels too led”?), and weakly growing suspicion on me, mainly because some others have.  Sheep or scum, hard to say just yet.  If Remy is scum though, yeah, I think there’s a fair chance she is too.

*“Town led”

dang pirate iPad 

*throwing suspicion

[Timothy Dixon]

On 3/6/2019 at 1:27 AM, Geoffrey Holton said:

I'm going to cast my vote for Vote: Timothy Dixon Thusfar his comments are the only ones that strike me as particularly scummy and even tho I appear now to be the only one voting for him, it strikes me as odd that he immediately voted after a slight "callout" vote after previously being on the fence. This all strikes me as middle-of the line scum-hiding tactics. 

I apologise for not adressing your comment earlier. I had some other ship mate activites to attend to on Day One. So I had time to browse the thread but not actually post any comments. So I would have voted anyway at that time I did regardless of whether someone called me out. 

[Bob]

Vote Count:

Remy Fontaine - 6 (Thomas, Joseph, Jack, Timothy, Henry, Louisa)

Henry Ogden - 2 (Malcolm, Nigel)

Louisa Hammond - 2 (Gordon, Geoffrey)

 

18 hours ago, Nigel Clayton said:

Do this be true Captain?  Do ye allow the holdin of your spot?  

“Arrrr, voting be optional, but posting every day be compulsory.”

[Malcolm Langley]

Arggg! So we have less then 24 hours left and our dear french friend has only spoken once. Not only that, but in his post he gives no thoughts about any particular people yet insist the town moves forward. He has had a fair amount of time to at least share more thoughts but has neglected to do so. That combined with his flip flop attitude yesterday make me feel no sympathy for voting for him. 

Unvote: Henry Ogden 

Vote: Remy Fontaine

I still have my eye on the kraken though. 

[Bartholomew Brewster]

13 hours ago, Gordon Smith said:

There’s a big discrepancy between not posting and low post count, Bartholomew.

I will respectfully disagree that at the time of your vote, any such difference mattered, if it truly exists.

5 hours ago, Louisa Hammond said:

Vote: Remy Fontaine

The more recent discussion about Remy feels very town led so my confidence in this lynch has been restored. 

Our dear late fellow pirate Jane said this yesterday. 

Similarly, when the opposite of this started happening this morning, I started feeling the lynch wasn't entirely town led. 

Considering a massive bandwagon hasn't piled onto Remy, I'm back to feeling confident about this lynch.

 

Gordon and Henry are odd ones.

Henry with his statement of being surprised he's wasn't killed, and then his later posts explaining himself.

Gordon has been kinda pinging me for awhile now. more recently, his vote on me feels like a desperate attempt to place his vote somewhere aside from Remy. Same could be said about others as well.

The missing Jane quote referred to the notion that scum would have been pushing the bandwagon on one of the primary lynch candidates if they were all town.  Personally, I think the idea that scum are going to pile on to anyone in particular on day 1 to be a bit naive.

As others have said, Louisa's comments here are very waffly.  Those talking about Remy early in the day were largely those voting for him early on, too.  To say that the early discussion was not town led and the later discussion was town led means that she's either not paying attention to who's talking or is changing her opinion on them as they talk.  I also don't understand what she's expecting to see from a massive bandwagon standpoint other than what we've functionally got and she's now contributed to.  Maybe the rate at which it has grown?  And if that's the case, then it feels like she's been waiting to see which way the wind blew on Remy in order to cast her vote for him.

We need to see a lynch through today, so I'm joining the vote for Remy, but I don't like Louisa's approach to this.

Vote: Remy Fontaine

[Louisa Hammond]

4 hours ago, Henry Ogden said:

If Remy is scum though, yeah, I think there’s a fair chance she is too.

I wanted to lynch Remy yesterday. Highly doubt a scum would vote for there team mate while making it obvious that they wish to lynch them. 

@Bartholomew Brewster The way I read Jane's quote, she's saying that Remy's and your's wagon didn't take off because one or both of you could be scum meaning that there is maybe two or three people who are your scummates busy trying to detract from Remy's and/or your's wagon so you don't get lynched. 

[Patrick Triggs]

6 hours ago, Louisa Hammond said:

The more recent discussion about Remy feels very town led so my confidence in this lynch has been restored.

wait, what? how? why?

6 hours ago, Louisa Hammond said:

Considering a massive bandwagon hasn't piled onto Remy, I'm back to feeling confident about this lynch.

5 votes before yours is a bandwagon, Louisa. And Malcolm & Barty delivered and sealed the hammer blow behind you.

22 minutes ago, Bartholomew Brewster said:

As others have said, Louisa's comments here are very waffly.  Those talking about Remy early in the day were largely those voting for him early on, too.  To say that the early discussion was not town led and the later discussion was town led means that she's either not paying attention to who's talking or is changing her opinion on them as they talk.  I also don't understand what she's expecting to see from a massive bandwagon standpoint other than what we've functionally got and she's now contributed to.  Maybe the rate at which it has grown?  And if that's the case, then it feels like she's been waiting to see which way the wind blew on Remy in order to cast her vote for him.

Your vote actually doesn't count - he reached 7 before you voted for him.

I know I rode Remy hard yesterday and early in the day, and with good reason. But as Barty points out above, Thomas, Joseph and Jack were all suspicious of Remy and placed early votes. Thereafter we had Timothy, Henry, Louisa, Malcolm and Barty sliding into the wagon. This feels much too easy to me.

Nobody has actually paid attention to what I said about Nigel, and I feel this must be because Nigel can fly under the radar when someone else is on the chopping block of mixed metaphors. I'm going with my gut, that I don't like this wagon on Remy, so I Vote: Nigel Clayton

[Nigel Clayton]

No one be paying attention to you because you be Barkin up the wrong spar.  It worries me that there be so many votes this early.  I hope it is that the number of imperials in our ranks be low.