mediumsnowman Posted January 28, 2018 Author Posted January 28, 2018 You may now vote. With 9 jurors remaining, a majority of 5 is required to lynch. Approximately 48 1/2 hours remain in the day.
Trekkie99 Posted January 28, 2018 Posted January 28, 2018 Let's get this ball rolling. Vote: Amanda Callahan (Khscarymovie4)
jluck Posted January 28, 2018 Posted January 28, 2018 On 1/26/2018 at 10:24 PM, Kintobor said: Hmm. I'm surprised. Dez's seeming lack of content during his pushback seemed scummy. Nonetheless, yesterday's lynch gave us some things to work through. Also, holy cow I'm still here. The Amanda lynch was never going to take off with the time we had yesterday. I do agree though that Amanda's worth investigating, and a lynch against her could very well happen today. On 1/26/2018 at 10:25 PM, Kintobor said: I'm also suspicious of Tony for pushing Clifford to remove his vote from Dez yesterday. We now know Dez was town, but not having a lynch yesterday would've been brutal for us today. 23 hours ago, Actor Builder said: Bros, look who's not wearing pants. It's this guy! That's right, my pants are right on outta here! Live TV without pants. Anyway, I'm way surprised Dez was town. He was all up and about not saying anything consequential and whatnot. I'll have to look back and see what's going on with that. Still glad we got a lynch though. Now we got some more information we can get on about workin' with. Is it safe to assume the Mafias only get to lynch every other night at this point or nah? 8 hours ago, Lady K said: At that point it was the last hour of the day and everyone was already committed to one of two lynches. If Clifford had changed his vote back in the last half hour we would have had a Day 4 with no lynches to go on. With your experience on many previous juries you should know better. It's sad to lose a loyal jury member but it is better than a 3rd no-lynch in a row day. The only ones who benefit from continued no lynch days are the crime family members; after Day 1 it always hurts the loyal town jury. I agree with this; it is scummy to want a fourth day of no lynch information flowing in; most jurors that jump on a bandwagon disappear before the day ends; very few are around to quick change a vote. Which, by the way in past memories of past juries, I got lynched the next day for doing that exact behavior. We were present when Clifford changed his vote repeatedly so we know the circumstance behind it; and the way Dez kept playing to Clifford was very scummy so it essential sealed his fate. Most probably wouldn't show back up in time to switch; and even then there would have to be a very solid reason to switch. In the case of scummy behavior Amanda and scummy behavior Dez, Dez was more so and he was around to defend himself where as Amanda as usual just disappeared. In his defense Dez looked more like a crime family member trying to save his own skin than a loyal townie about to be lynched; a lynch benefits the town the next day, he didn't even acknowledge that. 4 hours ago, Lady K said: Wow, it is quiet in here. The voting for the past three days: Day1: Final Vote Count: 4 votes for Harry Oldman (fhomess): Tariq j, LegoMonorailFan, Umbra-Manis, Forresto 3 votes for Clifford Schauer (LegoMonorailFan): KotZ, Drunknok, Lady K 3 votes for Cathy Bridger (Drunknok): jluck, Kintober, Khscarymovie4 1 vote for Stephanie Diaz (Lady K): Kwatchi 1 vote for Dez Hunter (Forresto): Fhomess Nonvoting (0): Day 2: Final Vote Count: 5 votes for Anthony Dodson (Actor Builder): Khscarymovie4, Tariq j, jluck, KotZ, Forresto 5 votes for Tony (jluck): Lady K, Kintober, LegoMonorailFan, fhomess, Actor Builder 1 vote for Stephanie Diaz (Lady K): Kwatchi Nonvoting (1): Umbra-Manis Day3: Final Vote Count: 6 votes for Dez Hunter (Forresto): Kintober, Umbra-Manis, Actor Builder, Lady K, Khscarymovie4, LegoMonorailFan 4 votes for Amanda Callahan (Khscarymovie4): jluck, Tariq j, Forresto, Kwatchi 3 votes for Tina Hooper (Umbra-Manis): Penalty x3 Nonvoting (0) With no night kills (which is good, we didn't lose any loyal town) this is what we have to go on in addition to three days of conversations. The only thing that stands out right away in the voting patterns is that Dez voted for who ever Brock voted for after Brock placed a vote. The other thing of note is that Amanda had four votes; if Clifford had switched then Amanda would have had five and we would have had a no lynch for the third day in a row. While I hate losing a loyal jury member, we now know that Dez was loyal as was Harry; so we can begin to look at conversations a little more closely. And we know that Alan was of the rival Moletti crime family. Today I would really like to hear more in depth thoughts from Tina and Amanda. Both of you have been flying quietly under the radar and are really starting to stand out now for that behavior. And my suspicions of Tony haven't lessened but increased due to his thinking a no lynch yesterday was ok. He as experience and knows that is not the case. Also for Day 2 and Day 3; Tony voted the same as Brock and Dez. Speculating that a Bellagio would have been on the main bandwagons; Day 2 leaves the possibility that Tony, Brock, and Amanda (at least one of them) could be Bellagio. Just a thought. 2 hours ago, Umbra-Manis said: Thanks for the analysis @Lady K, much easier to look ever than having 6 tabs open! Now To address something I missed earlier: I was the 2nd vote for Dez, right after he went fishing. And I was present in the thread at the end of day, having questioned Clifford's motive for nearly scuttling the lynch, Had I know that Dez was loyal, I would have gladly voted elsewhere, but his play at the end of yesterday was still far too much "Save my scum hide" rather than "I'm innocent". We desperately needed a lynch to have anything to go off of today anyway, and Dez arguably gives us a lot more to work with than lynching the very silent Amanda would have. I'd like to hear Tony's response to Steph before we start voting, but given where we currently stand, I think Amanda is doing more harm than good to the town by being silent this much and only showing up to revenge vote. Ya, I've something to say. Roughly 20% of the posts today keep saying stuff like "We had to have a lynch" and "Even though he was town, we needed the info from a lynch". Yet no one has offered any quality thoughts on what killing Dez did for us. How has the death of a townie benefited the town? Also, people are using the "need for a lynch" as an excuse for their vote. If you found Dez suspicious I understand your vote, but killing for killing's sake hurts us.
Actor Builder Posted January 28, 2018 Posted January 28, 2018 1 minute ago, jluck said: Ya, I've something to say. Roughly 20% of the posts today keep saying stuff like "We had to have a lynch" and "Even though he was town, we needed the info from a lynch". Yet no one has offered any quality thoughts on what killing Dez did for us. How has the death of a townie benefited the town? Also, people are using the "need for a lynch" as an excuse for their vote. If you found Dez suspicious I understand your vote, but killing for killing's sake hurts us. I believe the idea is that now we know he's town (And that we're dumb) we can start to evaluate past behavior of his interactions better. We know now that everything he said came from good intentions, and it's extremely safe to assume that everything he said was true. So we can go back and see what and who he stood for and with.
jluck Posted January 28, 2018 Posted January 28, 2018 On 1/23/2018 at 11:38 AM, Forresto said: @jluck Precisely my sentiment. I've reread through Day 2 and i've determined my course of action, even if it proverbially damns me. ~ Stephanie was reticent to lynch day one. Fair enough, reasonable strategy. Tony was suspicious of Cathy. Stephanie however she was defensive of Cathy, on multiple occasions, and when pressed deferred to Amanda and Tina EACH time deflecting the focus away from Cathy. Cathy was then replaced by Jimmy Stephanie votes for Tony and then Jimmy votes for Tony both in defense of Cathy. As suspicion mounts against Jimmy, Stephanie defends Jimmy and deflects again to Amanda. Again suspicion is focused on Jimmy and Stephanie distracts by presenting this whole essay on voting and again deflects to Amanda! This is a bizarre pattern. Then Jimmy is replaced by Anthony. I vote for Anthony. Anthony votes for me. Stephanie then once again tries to break the vote against Cathy/Jimmy/Anthony. Later as you Tony double down Stephanie defends Anthony putting blame also on Amanda. Surprise, surprise Anthony votes for Tony. Finally Stephanie makes a final case for people to switch onto the bandwagon against Tony, which is odd given her prior reticence for so called band wagons. ~ Stephanie first defended Cathy inexplicably, then tried to separate Jimmy from Cathy, and then Anthony from Jimmy despite them all holding the same role. She and who I believe is her compatriot Anthony aka Jimmy aka Cathy have led the anti-tony campaign simply because of his original suspicion and day 1 vote of Cathy, Anthony's predecessor. Is there a chance Tony is scum? Maybe, but he's been on the defensive. Unlike Tony, Stephanie has attempted to control the narrative the last two Days and guide us all in a vote against Tony with no real evidence. Extremely suspicious behavior. ~ Therefore I accuse both Stephanie Diaz and Anthony Dodson of being scum and traitors to our community! I vote Stephanie Diaz (LadyK) for the reasons stated above. I'm just going to let the dead speak for themselves. Just now, Actor Builder said: I believe the idea is that now we know he's town (And that we're dumb) we can start to evaluate past behavior of his interactions better. We know now that everything he said came from good intentions, and it's extremely safe to assume that everything he said was true. So we can go back and see what and who he stood for and with. That's fair enough, let's dig in!
Actor Builder Posted January 28, 2018 Posted January 28, 2018 3 minutes ago, jluck said: That's fair enough, let's dig in! I've got all tabs up and open, pants back on, shirt off, ready to get goin'!
jluck Posted January 28, 2018 Posted January 28, 2018 On 1/23/2018 at 9:31 PM, Kintobor said: You use the word clandestine to refer to a potential illicit conversation between me and the Doctor, when in reality the Doctor wishes to remain anonymous, and no conversations we've had have been of a nefarious nature. Has anyone claimed at this point to be said Doctor? Why would they? What benefit does the town get from knowing who the Doctor is openly? You yourself admitted it was a foolish move for the Doctor to openly declare their power role on day 2, as stated here: Honestly, I find that with the way the day is going, I'm leaning towards you being a better lynch than Jared. What do you gain from knowing the identity of the Doctor?Unvote: Jared (Kwatchi) Vote: Dez (Forresto) Speaking of Jared, I don't believe he's responded to my comments on me not agreeing to his deal. He was also fishing for roles when he asked for someone to vouch for me. I'd be fine at this point lynching Dez or Jared, based on what's transpired today. On 1/23/2018 at 9:32 PM, Umbra-Manis said: @Actor Builder I'm here, no offense taken with the vote for activity + removal of inactives if they don't show strategy. As for the whole block matter, I don't see anything solid anywhere, with everything coming from the emissary of a town doctor. I think we can trust the doctor, but I don't believe they provide enough info to clear anyone. I'm also in agreement that this is scummy and no better than clearing people on a doctor's protection alone. Vote: Dez Hunter (Forresto) On 1/23/2018 at 9:47 PM, Actor Builder said: I'm just glad you're alive, dude. UNVOTE: Tina (Umbra-Manis) At this point I feel like the best leads on the scumboard are Tony and Dez. I'm gonna go 'head and switch my vote to Dez for now, because asking about the town block is suspicious. We all know there's a chance the supposed town block is fake, but if it's real we don't want to talk about it too much and risk information leakages. I feel like you've just gotta take those reports as they are, and add a few grains of salt to it. It'll prove itself sometime on along down the line, if it's true. for now, VOTE: Dez (Forresto) Look how fast the bandwagon on Dez started (check the time stamps). In 16 minutes he got 3 votes. The first two are suspicious because of timing, but they are so close I assume they cross posted. But look who was quick to get in early on the bandwagon with the 3rd vote...the same character that I've been accusing since day 1. Also, Stephanie was the 4th vote, after Dez accused her. It's all a bit strange and extremely fast.
Lady K Posted January 28, 2018 Posted January 28, 2018 28 minutes ago, jluck said: Ya, I've something to say. Roughly 20% of the posts today keep saying stuff like "We had to have a lynch" and "Even though he was town, we needed the info from a lynch". Yet no one has offered any quality thoughts on what killing Dez did for us. How has the death of a townie benefited the town? Also, people are using the "need for a lynch" as an excuse for their vote. If you found Dez suspicious I understand your vote, but killing for killing's sake hurts us. Your implication that we were killing for killings sake is incorrect. As an experienced previous jury member you are well aware of the damage we as loyal jury town would take if we entered Day 4 with no lynch. I found Dez extremely suspicious (even to the point over you) by the time I placed my vote on him. He kept inquiring about the town block and pressuring Clifford to change his vote back; and if he had then we would have had no lynch. Your insistence that Clifford should have switched back to Amanda and thus resulting in a no lynch is very scummy. I really thought Dez was scum, I was saddened to find out he was town; especially with the way he flailed at the end like a scummy crime family member would to save his own skin. As experienced jury member you know the benefit his lynch brought the town. And as I pointed out based on Day 2 voting that the votes on Anthony: 5 votes for Anthony Dodson (Actor Builder): Khscarymovie4, Tariq j, jluck, KotZ, Forresto -one town, one Moletti, and three others that probably contain at least on Bellagio crime family member. As it would make sense that the Bellagio crime family would vote on the major lynch candidates. That includes you, Brock, and Amanda; right now you stand out above the other two as the best choice for today's lynch. Vote: Tony (jluck)
jluck Posted January 28, 2018 Posted January 28, 2018 10 minutes ago, Lady K said: Your implication that we were killing for killings sake is incorrect. As an experienced previous jury member you are well aware of the damage we as loyal jury town would take if we entered Day 4 with no lynch. I found Dez extremely suspicious (even to the point over you) by the time I placed my vote on him. He kept inquiring about the town block and pressuring Clifford to change his vote back; and if he had then we would have had no lynch. Your insistence that Clifford should have switched back to Amanda and thus resulting in a no lynch is very scummy. I really thought Dez was scum, I was saddened to find out he was town; especially with the way he flailed at the end like a scummy crime family member would to save his own skin. As experienced jury member you know the benefit his lynch brought the town. And as I pointed out based on Day 2 voting that the votes on Anthony: 5 votes for Anthony Dodson (Actor Builder): Khscarymovie4, Tariq j, jluck, KotZ, Forresto -one town, one Moletti, and three others that probably contain at least on Bellagio crime family member. As it would make sense that the Bellagio crime family would vote on the major lynch candidates. That includes you, Brock, and Amanda; right now you stand out above the other two as the best choice for today's lynch. Vote: Tony (jluck) Dez thought you were scum. also, the bandwagon on Dez was very interesting to say the least. Care to comment?
Tariq j Posted January 28, 2018 Posted January 28, 2018 10 hours ago, Umbra-Manis said: Thanks for the analysis @Lady K, much easier to look ever than having 6 tabs open! Now To address something I missed earlier: I was the 2nd vote for Dez, right after he went fishing. And I was present in the thread at the end of day, having questioned Clifford's motive for nearly scuttling the lynch, Had I know that Dez was loyal, I would have gladly voted elsewhere, but his play at the end of yesterday was still far too much "Save my scum hide" rather than "I'm innocent". We desperately needed a lynch to have anything to go off of today anyway, and Dez arguably gives us a lot more to work with than lynching the very silent Amanda would have. I'd like to hear Tony's response to Steph before we start voting, but given where we currently stand, I think Amanda is doing more harm than good to the town by being silent this much and only showing up to revenge vote. Thanks for clarifying your thoughts , Although I found Amanda more scummy, I can kind of see the logic in wanting to lynch someone who we get the most out of rather than someone who doesn't barely talks at all. 12 hours ago, Lady K said:Also for Day 2 and Day 3; Tony voted the same as Brock and Dez. Speculating that a Bellagio would have been on the main bandwagons; Day 2 leaves the possibility that Tony, Brock, and Amanda (at least one of them) could be Bellagio. Just a thought. I see what you're saying but I think there must be at least one Bellagio, on the Tony bandwagon too.
Lady K Posted January 28, 2018 Posted January 28, 2018 12 hours ago, jluck said: Dez thought you were scum. also, the bandwagon on Dez was very interesting to say the least. Care to comment? Des only thought I was scum after you kept brining up every possibility for me being not town when it was revealed that the doctor protected me; except for the possibility that I am town, which I am. I kept on him for not participating with reasons for a vote so he went back to make this vote look better; I applaud his effort. Sure I'll comment once you have addressed my concern; which you are avoiding while directing attention elsewhere off the concern I have of you. 5 hours ago, Tariq j said: Thanks for clarifying your thoughts , Although I found Amanda more scummy, I can kind of see the logic in wanting to lynch someone who we get the most out of rather than someone who doesn't barely talks at all. I see what you're saying but I think there must be at least one Bellagio, on the Tony bandwagon too. The theory we have been discussing is the possibility of 8 town, 2 Bellagio, 2 Moletti which equals 12 to begin with. So now if that is correct than we have 6 town, 2 Bellagio, 1 Moletti left. That means we still need to find and deliver to the Judge all Bellagio crime family members. I really don't know how the Moletti play into towns win conditions. Two possibilities; both are crime family so both would be mafia and thus we need to eliminate them all. The other is that they are a third party and town won't be affected if they are still alive at the end. I personally think it is the first option and both crime familes will need to be give to the Judge for loyal jury town to win. In which case due to trial balance that would still mean, as I mentioned before, that there are 3-4 crime family members amongst us; and we have only identified one. Alan was Moletti. I would think that the other crime family members are hidden on the major bandwagons; so yes I would not be surprised to see one mafia member on the Tony bandwagon for Day 2. Again I still feel as Tony is the best lynch for today. He will not address my concerns directly but keeps trying to direct the conversation away from him unto others. I will discuss my thoughts in detail with any who ask.
jluck Posted January 28, 2018 Posted January 28, 2018 On 1/26/2018 at 10:37 PM, jluck said: Wow. Can’t win for losing I guess. I literally pushed to lynch Amanda and I argued Clifford should move his vote back cuz I thought we’d get Amanda. My point was it would have been just as easy for someone on the Dez wagon to switch to the scummy Amanda said it was for Clifford to jump to Dez. But I guess pushing for a different lynch (of a townie no less, as we now know) makes me scummy. Honestly, I wish I was scum cuz they’re kicking out butt. @Lady K I literally addressed your concern within my first post of the day, long before you asked. I thought it would be just as easy for someone to join us in the vote for Amanda as it would have been for Clifford to go against his gut and vote for Dez. Your turn to stop avoiding real questions. First, a real analysis of the bandwagon you were part of yesterday. We know scum must have been a part of it. Second, everyone has been self congratulatory about finally getting a lynch “because it gives us valuable info” but so far I’ve not seen any of that valuable info. The only thing I’ve heard is we can now trust Dez had the best intentions of the town at heart so we can trust his posts. Dez thought you were scum.
Tariq j Posted January 28, 2018 Posted January 28, 2018 1 hour ago, Lady K said: The theory we have been discussing is the possibility of 8 town, 2 Bellagio, 2 Moletti which equals 12 to begin with. So now if that is correct than we have 6 town, 2 Bellagio, 1 Moletti left. That means we still need to find and deliver to the Judge all Bellagio crime family members. I really don't know how the Moletti play into towns win conditions. Two possibilities; both are crime family so both would be mafia and thus we need to eliminate them all. The other is that they are a third party and town won't be affected if they are still alive at the end. Those numbers sound right, and a quick check on the Jury's copy of Mafiascum states normally two Mafia teams wouldn't be allied with each other and would have to eliminate each other (as well as the town to win). But that means we (the town) have to also eliminate all other factions, so if we assume the numbers are correct we're looking for 3 scum. The problem with having TWO mafia parties is that even if we say, manage to lynch the last moletti, we're only making the Bellagio's job easier, so it's vital we don't repeat what happened yesterday. That's why I'm kind of on the fence about Amanda, quiet doesn't mean scum, so she could be a very inactive townie or a hiding scum. But she hasn't come on to defend herself and her short burst essays whenever she was called out is a tell tale sign to me. Vote: Amanda Callahan (Khscarymovie4)
Kintobor Posted January 28, 2018 Posted January 28, 2018 14 hours ago, jluck said: Dez thought you were scum. also, the bandwagon on Dez was very interesting to say the least. Care to comment? Sure, I'll comment, since I started it. Dez's mulling during the last moments of the day seemed really scummy. I think we can safely rule out me and Tina since the vote was too close together to be anything but coincidence. I'm more than certain scum jumped on that bandwagon, as I'm certain scum jumped on the Amanda bandwagon. However, Anthony hopped on that bandwagon once it looked like it was taking off. He said something yesterday that really irked me as well right after his vote for Tina:"if she never responds, she's already got three penalty votes, so we can lynch her easily if we can't agree on an active juror." This has always been a scum tactic every time I've seen it pulled. An inactive townie makes the perfect lynch for scum with penalty votes, and the scum simply claim the lynch through not needing as many people to vote. His move off of Tina and onto Dez looks like scum trying to blend in after Tina perks up.Vote: Anthony (Actor Builder) I'm still suspicious of Amanda, but hopefully everyone gets there vote in timely so we have time to discuss and not end up like a scenario we had yesterday. As well, I'd consider anyone withholding their vote suspicious.
Lady K Posted January 28, 2018 Posted January 28, 2018 2 hours ago, jluck said: @Lady K I literally addressed your concern within my first post of the day, long before you asked. I thought it would be just as easy for someone to join us in the vote for Amanda as it would have been for Clifford to go against his gut and vote for Dez. Your turn to stop avoiding real questions. First, a real analysis of the bandwagon you were part of yesterday. We know scum must have been a part of it. Second, everyone has been self congratulatory about finally getting a lynch “because it gives us valuable info” but so far I’ve not seen any of that valuable info. The only thing I’ve heard is we can now trust Dez had the best intentions of the town at heart so we can trust his posts. Dez thought you were scum. That wasn't the concern I had; the concern is how you with your experience know that Clifford switching back to Amanda would only equal the votes on Dez and thus result in a no lynch situation. Which by your continued focus on it early on Day 4 implies that you wanted and were ok with a no lynch. Experience has taught otherwise. The final hour of the day was too late to gather the needed votes for Amanda to be lynched. How could you be ok with no lynch; only the crime families benefit by no lynch; this is another reason you are at the top of my suspicion Dez was more suspicious than Amanda and made more sense for the day's lynch. Amanda isn't off the hook and could end up as today's lynch. What of value do you not see about the lynch and results? Again, Dez only thought I was scum after you kept brining it up by refusing to state that one of the possibilities is that I am town. And as usual you are only focused on one person; the rest of us that are active are brining up multiple suspicions. You have enough experience that your hyper focus on only one at a time is behavior in the past that I have seen in crime family member behavior. You want my analysis of Dez bandwagon...... but what of your analysis? Yes, scum were on both bandwagons; only a new juror with no or very little experience wouldn't know that. As to who? Why don't you provide analysis of each member on it then? As I have stated before since Day 1; you seem to only focus on one person at a time; what are your thoughts on others? 1 hour ago, Tariq j said: Those numbers sound right, and a quick check on the Jury's copy of Mafiascum states normally two Mafia teams wouldn't be allied with each other and would have to eliminate each other (as well as the town to win). But that means we (the town) have to also eliminate all other factions, so if we assume the numbers are correct we're looking for 3 scum. The problem with having TWO mafia parties is that even if we say, manage to lynch the last moletti, we're only making the Bellagio's job easier, so it's vital we don't repeat what happened yesterday. That's why I'm kind of on the fence about Amanda, quiet doesn't mean scum, so she could be a very inactive townie or a hiding scum. But she hasn't come on to defend herself and her short burst essays whenever she was called out is a tell tale sign to me. Vote: Amanda Callahan (Khscarymovie4) This is the main problem I had yesterday and still have today; Amanda provides barely enough conversation to get by. Her defense today, if she bothers to give on, should give us a better sense of whether or not she should be the primary lynch target today. As I said before, I'm open to the idea depending on her response; but Tony and his responses are still the most suspicious. 53 minutes ago, Kintobor said: Sure, I'll comment, since I started it. Dez's mulling during the last moments of the day seemed really scummy. I think we can safely rule out me and Tina since the vote was too close together to be anything but coincidence. I'm more than certain scum jumped on that bandwagon, as I'm certain scum jumped on the Amanda bandwagon. However, Anthony hopped on that bandwagon once it looked like it was taking off. He said something yesterday that really irked me as well right after his vote for Tina:"if she never responds, she's already got three penalty votes, so we can lynch her easily if we can't agree on an active juror." This has always been a scum tactic every time I've seen it pulled. An inactive townie makes the perfect lynch for scum with penalty votes, and the scum simply claim the lynch through not needing as many people to vote. His move off of Tina and onto Dez looks like scum trying to blend in after Tina perks up.Vote: Anthony (Actor Builder) I'm still suspicious of Amanda, but hopefully everyone gets there vote in timely so we have time to discuss and not end up like a scenario we had yesterday. As well, I'd consider anyone withholding their vote suspicious. It would be nice if everyone decided to participate by getting a vote in. A vote early on generates discussion.
jluck Posted January 28, 2018 Posted January 28, 2018 There is so much to unpack here, I'm going to have to do it a bit at a time: 24 minutes ago, Lady K said: That wasn't the concern I had; the concern is how you with your experience know that Clifford switching back to Amanda would only equal the votes on Dez and thus result in a no lynch situation. Which by your continued focus on it early on Day 4 implies that you wanted and were ok with a no lynch. Experience has taught otherwise. The final hour of the day was too late to gather the needed votes for Amanda to be lynched. How could you be ok with no lynch; only the crime families benefit by no lynch; this is another reason you are at the top of my suspicion Dez was more suspicious than Amanda and made more sense for the day's lynch. Amanda isn't off the hook and could end up as today's lynch. What of value do you not see about the lynch and results? Let's look at what was actually said, not your interpretation of it: On 1/24/2018 at 8:22 PM, jluck said: I don’t agree with this choice. Yes, we still need more votes but losing yours just moves us further away from our goal. You’re actively working to prevent the lynch. whats the vote count and time @mediumsnowman? Clifford had changed his vote with 2 hours left. I told him he was preventing the lynch that he and I had worked towards, as at the time we were only one vote short. On 1/24/2018 at 8:44 PM, LegoMonorailFan said: OK this is getting stupid Amanda is scum! I'm sure of it! Is there a reason you shouldn't vote for her? Why Dez and not Amanda? Anybody? He asked a very valid question, one that no one even attempted to answer. On 1/24/2018 at 9:06 PM, jluck said: This question needed answered. When Clifford was voting for Amanda we were 5 and 5. Everyone crying foul could have switched secure a lynch. Instead your forcing Clifford to not vote for who he thinks is scum. Ya, Clifford didn’t handle it well, but it’s not all on him. Literally any one of us could have secured the lynch. Until we got the vote count I didn’t realize Dez was so close. Glad we have a lynch for what it’s worth. Just dont like the way it came about. This post sums up why I didn't agree with the way everything happened. I wanted a lynch, but forcing Clifford to vote for someone he didn't suspect and away from who he was sure is scum was not the way to go about it. With the vote and 5 to 5 literally anyone could have hammered either vote. Forcing Clifford to do it against his judgement was not the right way. 28 minutes ago, Lady K said: Again, Dez only thought I was scum after you kept brining it up by refusing to state that one of the possibilities is that I am town. And as usual you are only focused on one person; the rest of us that are active are brining up multiple suspicions. You have enough experience that your hyper focus on only one at a time is behavior in the past that I have seen in crime family member behavior. Ain't this the pot calling the kettle black?! It's almost laughable. I've actually been instrumental in raising suspicion on two of the primary candidates today, Amanda (I built the case on her yesterday) and Anthony (I built a case on him from day 1 and added to it today). But that doesn't fit your narrative. In fact, your a distant 3rd on my list, behind the afore mentioned pair. On the other hand, you have been focused on me since day 2, which interestingly why your only 3rd on my list. If you are scum, then you know I'm town, and killing me will raise a lot of suspicion on you once my allegiance is public. 32 minutes ago, Lady K said: You want my analysis of Dez bandwagon...... but what of your analysis? Yes, scum were on both bandwagons; only a new juror with no or very little experience wouldn't know that. As to who? Why don't you provide analysis of each member on it then? As I have stated before since Day 1; you seem to only focus on one person at a time; what are your thoughts on others? What about my analysis? I believe you'll find a particularly pointed analysis in this earlier post. 17 hours ago, jluck said: Look how fast the bandwagon on Dez started (check the time stamps). In 16 minutes he got 3 votes. The first two are suspicious because of timing, but they are so close I assume they cross posted. But look who was quick to get in early on the bandwagon with the 3rd vote...the same character that I've been accusing since day 1. Also, Stephanie was the 4th vote, after Dez accused her. It's all a bit strange and extremely fast. I literally called out Anthony and, to a lesser degree, you based off of the vote. Anthony was mighty fast to jump on that early wagon as soon as it got going. It doesn't sit well with me given my past suspicions of him. based off of that my vote will be: Vote: Anthony (Actor Builder) As I stated on my post, my top 3 are Anthony, Amanda, and Stephanie. The reason I am not voting for Amanda is because her silence makes it hard to read her, but at some point that will come back to bite her. The reason I'm not currently voting for Stephanie is I feel she is too focused on me, which would be a bad scum tactic to put all the effort into killing one townie.
Umbra-Manis Posted January 29, 2018 Posted January 29, 2018 Ok, so today we've got our two most active jurors at each other's throats, but with one of them opting to vote for our resident concussion sufferer (right now) and a complete absence still being kept by Amanda. 6 hours ago, jluck said: Second, everyone has been self congratulatory about finally getting a lynch “because it gives us valuable info” but so far I’ve not seen any of that valuable info. The only thing I’ve heard is we can now trust Dez had the best intentions of the town at heart so we can trust his posts. Dez thought you were scum. In my opinion the most useful thing about the lynch was voting patterns. The mostly inactive nights don't give us many alignments to compare day votes to, so the lynch has to substitute. I also want to hear Anthony's explanation on his bandwagon vote yesterday, and Amanda's defense before we get too deep into the vote stage. (I'll give an early vote in a few hours if they don't show)
Kwatchi Posted January 29, 2018 Posted January 29, 2018 ((sip)) Just caught up with today's sermons. 6 hours ago, Lady K said: The theory we have been discussing is the possibility of 8 town, 2 Bellagio, 2 Moletti which equals 12 to begin with. So now if that is correct than we have 6 town, 2 Bellagio, 1 Moletti left. That means we still need to find and deliver to the Judge all Bellagio crime family members. I really don't know how the Moletti play into towns win conditions. Two possibilities; both are crime family so both would be mafia and thus we need to eliminate them all. The other is that they are a third party and town won't be affected if they are still alive at the end. Considering how closely you have been working with Gary since day 1 - my opinion - it's kind of gutsy for you to forward this as a working theory. Brave or ballsy or probably nothing in the end. To be honest, after yesterday's we need a lynch fiasco, this spread of votes is fascinating to me. AMANDA 2 ANTHONY 2 TONY 1 We're, like, heading to a split at this rate and four votes haven't even been cast yet. Well, hopefully I can turn things around. I'm torn at the moment. Anthony's situation is so unique to me due to his predecessors that I don't want a bias to creep in to my reading of him. But at what point does that attempt to eliminate bias skew my thinking too ? #mindblown Tony has made a partial case and it would resolve the confusing situation. So I nearly went this route. LadyK and Gary... I don't have the energy anymore to deal with you two really, but your splitting your votes has me wondering what happened to that pseudo-town block Gary alluded to Day 3? Not really worth a vote over tbh, but I don't think that claim looks as solid when you do this kind of thing. And we desperately need a solid foundation for us to work off of. So I am back to Amanda. Regardless of Gary's weird objection (sorry dude, that is as lame reason as any I have heard since we started and once again a "you're scummy" threat chaser. It's getting old.), quiet means she may be trying to fly under the radar, and that is far more suspicious behaviour than Dez exhibited. Brock made a good case for this too, so that is where my vote is going. Vote: Amanda Callahan (Khscarymovie4) That leaves us needing 2 for the lynch that the vocal minority keeps telling us we desperately need. Time to step up or... ((sip))
jluck Posted January 29, 2018 Posted January 29, 2018 14 minutes ago, Kwatchi said: ((sip)) Just caught up with today's sermons. Considering how closely you have been working with Gary since day 1 - my opinion - it's kind of gutsy for you to forward this as a working theory. Brave or ballsy or probably nothing in the end. To be honest, after yesterday's we need a lynch fiasco, this spread of votes is fascinating to me. AMANDA 2 ANTHONY 2 TONY 1 We're, like, heading to a split at this rate and four votes haven't even been cast yet. Well, hopefully I can turn things around. I'm torn at the moment. Anthony's situation is so unique to me due to his predecessors that I don't want a bias to creep in to my reading of him. But at what point does that attempt to eliminate bias skew my thinking too ? #mindblown Tony has made a partial case and it would resolve the confusing situation. So I nearly went this route. LadyK and Gary... I don't have the energy anymore to deal with you two really, but your splitting your votes has me wondering what happened to that pseudo-town block Gary alluded to Day 3? Not really worth a vote over tbh, but I don't think that claim looks as solid when you do this kind of thing. And we desperately need a solid foundation for us to work off of. So I am back to Amanda. Regardless of Gary's weird objection (sorry dude, that is as lame reason as any I have heard since we started and once again a "you're scummy" threat chaser. It's getting old.), quiet means she may be trying to fly under the radar, and that is far more suspicious behaviour than Dez exhibited. Brock made a good case for this too, so that is where my vote is going. Vote: Amanda Callahan (Khscarymovie4) That leaves us needing 2 for the lynch that the vocal minority keeps telling us we desperately need. Time to step up or... ((sip)) I’ll join the Amanda lynch if that’s the route we go. Anthony or Amanda either way, unless one of them give me a reason to look elsewhere.
Lady K Posted January 29, 2018 Posted January 29, 2018 1 hour ago, Kwatchi said: ((sip)) Just caught up with today's sermons. Considering how closely you have been working with Gary since day 1 - my opinion - it's kind of gutsy for you to forward this as a working theory. Brave or ballsy or probably nothing in the end. To be honest, after yesterday's we need a lynch fiasco, this spread of votes is fascinating to me. AMANDA 2 ANTHONY 2 TONY 1 We're, like, heading to a split at this rate and four votes haven't even been cast yet. Well, hopefully I can turn things around. I'm torn at the moment. Anthony's situation is so unique to me due to his predecessors that I don't want a bias to creep in to my reading of him. But at what point does that attempt to eliminate bias skew my thinking too ? #mindblown Tony has made a partial case and it would resolve the confusing situation. So I nearly went this route. LadyK and Gary... I don't have the energy anymore to deal with you two really, but your splitting your votes has me wondering what happened to that pseudo-town block Gary alluded to Day 3? Not really worth a vote over tbh, but I don't think that claim looks as solid when you do this kind of thing. And we desperately need a solid foundation for us to work off of. So I am back to Amanda. Regardless of Gary's weird objection (sorry dude, that is as lame reason as any I have heard since we started and once again a "you're scummy" threat chaser. It's getting old.), quiet means she may be trying to fly under the radar, and that is far more suspicious behaviour than Dez exhibited. Brock made a good case for this too, so that is where my vote is going. Vote: Amanda Callahan (Khscarymovie4) That leaves us needing 2 for the lynch that the vocal minority keeps telling us we desperately need. Time to step up or... ((sip)) The theory is just my opinion based on common trial balance. Nothing gutsy; just based on the numbers from my experience on jury duty previously. Remember early voting as soon as the Judge clears us to vote can get the conversations going both for who is voting for who and gets the voted to (hopefully) speak out for themselves. As long as we have a lynch decision by the last half of the day then we are fine. As I said earlier today and previous days, Amanda or Anthony could end up being lynched if they continued to be suspicious. As before, if others don't find Tony as suspicious as me and a different choice is the lynch of the day then I will switch my vote as I did yesterday. You do bring up an important point and that is only 5 votes have been cast initially; where are the rest? My apologies, with your vote that should be 6 votes so far.
mediumsnowman Posted January 29, 2018 Author Posted January 29, 2018 (edited) Vote Count: 3 votes for Amanda Callahan (Khscarymovie4): LegoMonorailFan, Tariq j, Kwatchi 1 vote for Tony (jluck): Lady K 2 votes for Anthony Dodson (Actor Builder): Kintober, jluck Nonvoting (3): Khscarymovie4, Umbra-Manis, Actor Builder With 9 jurors remaining, a majority of 5 is required to lynch. Approximately 24 hours remain in the day. Edited January 29, 2018 by mediumsnowman
jluck Posted January 29, 2018 Posted January 29, 2018 11 minutes ago, mediumsnowman said: Vote Count: 3 votes for Amanda Callahan (Khscarymovie4): LegoMonorailFan, Tariq j, Kwatchi 1 vote for Tony (jluck): Lady K 1 vote for Anthony Dodson (Actor Builder): Kintober, jluck Nonvoting (3): Khscarymovie4, Umbra-Manis, Actor Builder With 9 jurors remaining, a majority of 5 is required to lynch. Approximately 24 hours remain in the day. Small typo, Anthony has 2 votes.
mediumsnowman Posted January 29, 2018 Author Posted January 29, 2018 55 minutes ago, jluck said: Small typo, Anthony has 2 votes. You sure? Check again, I don’t see anything wrong.
Actor Builder Posted January 29, 2018 Posted January 29, 2018 5 hours ago, Umbra-Manis said: I also want to hear Anthony's explanation on his bandwagon vote yesterday, (Puts on a large floppy sun hat) My thinkin' for my vote was solid, although sadly wrong. Dez was acting as scummy as I think he could have, and I did want to lynch somebody. I got jumpin' on that wagon when I saw it, because as a lot of us was sayin' we wanted/needed a lynch, and I already had suspicions. From there, he kept on actin' more and more like scum up on until the last second. As for today... I'm unfortunately not ready to vote yet. I don't want to repeat yesterday's mistakes up and over again.
Kintobor Posted January 29, 2018 Posted January 29, 2018 58 minutes ago, Actor Builder said: (Puts on a large floppy sun hat) My thinkin' for my vote was solid, although sadly wrong. Dez was acting as scummy as I think he could have, and I did want to lynch somebody. I got jumpin' on that wagon when I saw it, because as a lot of us was sayin' we wanted/needed a lynch, and I already had suspicions. From there, he kept on actin' more and more like scum up on until the last second. As for today... I'm unfortunately not ready to vote yet. I don't want to repeat yesterday's mistakes up and over again. With less than 24 hours to go, that's a pretty ballsy thing to say. What do you benefit from by withholding your vote?
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