Exetrius Posted June 24, 2016 Posted June 24, 2016 I'm beginning to loath this thread. It seems like the things posted here are generally increasing in quality as time goes on. [...] What appears to be happening with this thread, in my unprofessional and unsolicited opinion, is this: Members here want to be able to add to the "That sucks! Bla! Whee whee bloo!" discussion here, and if there aren't enough "terrible" projects to post, they post things that are even just slightly below average, so that everyone can laugh at their "stupidity" or whatever. Perry the Platypus is NOT a bad Idea. It's a build slightly above mediocrity, and obviously needs some work, but that's why it's on Ideas. [...] but this thread is making me upset because it just continues to walk on the borderline of bullying. Just a quick reminder: You are better than no one. I am better than no one. Skillsets vary, but no human is any better than any other human. I know I sound like Horton here, but it's just upsetting. The culture in the world. Why does it matter if someone submits a crappy Idea with a bunch of megabloks in it? What do we gain from saying how bad it is? Constructive criticism is crucial. [...] LEGO is about encouraging creativity. Creativity thrives on encouragement. This is not encouraging. This thread is to creativity as deforestation is to trees. I am hereby protesting this thread. This does not mean I will not view it, rather that I will view it and continue to voice my sadness and concern for it. I don't mind a "Bad Ideas Ideas" thread in general. Parody ideas probably love seeing their creations end up here. But constantly putting down others creations (especially ones that are not actually bad) is disgusting. I took the liberty to leave out a few parts here, but the points you are making are painfully valid, and I wasn't fully aware of that before your post. I have to thank you for this, sir. The recently suggested projects (including in my post earlier, more on that later) are no longer products of trolling, but made thoughtfully and with significant quality. For example, this project has awesome figs, pleasant colour scheme and nice parts usage, even, yet it was suggested a page back. It's not even close to being bad! It is shameful that such projects appear here. I feel obliged to apologize for my post from yesterday: Found this today: -snip- It's.. eh... entertaining. Anyone, please, make a fanart of this masterpiece! [...] The choice of words is very poor. I was genuinely entertained by it, in the sense that it looks so derpy and funny but also, well.. not quite good/accurate. It's certainly instantly recognizable, but just the thought of how it would translate back to animated form made me laugh and made me want to share it. Regardless of this being bad in a good way or good in a bad way or whatever, the creator was serious when developing this, and therefore, I apologize for suggesting it in this thread, even though it's kinda fitting for a thread that is named "The best of the worst Lego Ideas". Quote
anothergol Posted June 24, 2016 Author Posted June 24, 2016 (edited) Is it obvious? I must be missing something... The creator has taken an original route by developing his own theme has oppose to just using an existing one. hum no, I'm talking about that "Perry the Platypus", that's a license. If it looks like it's original, it's because it ressembles nothing like what it's supposed to. Not everyone has the same level of skill as yourself when it comes to MOCs and that's fine. But calling other people's creations "trolls" simply because they aren't up to the same standards as yours is simply rude and actually quite childish. If you read the guy/kid's (he tells about school, so I will assume kid) descriptions, he wants to become a Lego designer. How delusional is that? Those positive project comments are definitely NOT helping him. I don't know, personally I do prefer to be told when something I've made, sucks. Although usually I'm aware of it, simply by comparing it to what's already there, which this guy obviously didn't. And I think the kid would fall from a huge height if he discovered some of the comments on this thread. And I think that'd be good for him. It's like school, afterall. Give a crap homework, you won't get positive comments not to hurt your feelings. There -are- such hippie-like private schools, though, where no notes are given, etc. And usually, the people who come out of those schools, while they enjoyed it better, have troubles finding their place in the society, which those schools didn't prepare them for. Perry the Platypus is NOT a bad Idea. It's a build slightly above mediocrity It may not be a bad "idea", but where I come from, ideas (unless you're really inventing something, like a new kind of motor) are worth nothing. I mean <insert your favorite show> + Lego isn't an idea. The build however is below mediocrity, let's be honnest. If someone adds a project that's a really good rendition of that character, and many are talented enough for that, then I'd vote for it. You're right that there are tons of projects that are just below average, but not bad enough to be funny, that's the majority of them. I have hardly seen any of them here. The ones that have been mocked here, we probably spent more time commenting them than it took their authors to build them. For example, this project has awesome figs, pleasant colour scheme and nice parts usage, even, yet it was suggested a page back. It's not even close to being bad! That one would indeed be an example of something mediocre that's not bad enough to be funny. But come on, it's bad. It's just "skip to next" bad. Regardless of this being bad in a good way or good in a bad way or whatever, the creator was serious when developing this He most likely was, and that's the whole point! I'll compare it again to those bad movies that were so bad they became cult movies. Or those internet "stars" who became stars out of being bad. There are really 2 ways to handle this, either you get offended, or you surf on it. The Star Wars kid chose the first path, Tron Guy chose the second one. The authors of those projects are good at one thing: being bad, and that's a talent too. Btw I think this other project https://ideas.lego.com/projects/16689 explains it a bit for me. What the author apparently failed to explain (I guess) is that his entry isn't "Perry the Platypus", but a toy version of it (the "inaction figure"). Well, I assume that's the case, since it looks like on the screenshot. So here you have the difference between a project good enough to be presented, and a crap one. Edited June 24, 2016 by anothergol Quote
PicnicBasketSam Posted June 24, 2016 Posted June 24, 2016 I'm leaving this thread. It's no fun anymore. Quote
x105Black Posted June 24, 2016 Posted June 24, 2016 To me, this thread is a great place to point out projects that should not be on Ideas. Not just troll projects, but truly bad ones. There are some projects so bad they should never make it to the site. I see LEGO Ideas not as a place to learn to build, but as a place for the best set ideas. Many of the projects in this thread are sub-par, by quite a bit. There are a few that are actually good, like the giant brick. I understand it may not be for everyone, but it's nicely done, and it deserves to be on the Ideas site. I don't think the Platypus was very well done at all. Some of them are truly awful, like the telescope back on page 2. That said, I don't like the atmosphere of mockery, either. It's nice to laugh a bit at some projects, because they truly are funny (or the idea that they could ever become sets is funny). But some people are being very negative, and that's uncalled for. Quote
xboxtravis7992 Posted June 24, 2016 Posted June 24, 2016 I think a lot of this thread for me when it started was a humorous take on the commentary that Ideas is not very well filtered. Many of us know how hard it is to actually find "the best" sets on Lego Ideas, because all to often "the worst" clutters our searches on the site. With that said, a critique and parody of some of those projects is long due. With that said, there is a point our mockery can go to far. It is true that many poor Ideas are receiving unrealistic encouragement. However it is not our duty as FOLs to purposefully attack those Ideas hoping our negative view will destroy the false confidence. In fact not only could such a critique destroy false confidence, it might damage real confidence in the meantime. The best method to let these creators know they have a poor project is not to vote for it. By releasing it online they should inherently know their project requires votes, and if their project fails to reach even a few hundred supporters it is a way for them to recognize the flawed nature of the project without receiving undue-criticism. Also as this thread has progressed I have learned through the comments that many "bad Ideas" submitters, are "good Ideas" voters. Directly attacking their project might push them away from voting on future projects. I am okay with this thread continuing, but pick which projects to tease carefully. Look for the obvious trolls, or cases of the bizarre. Take care that our jokes of the model are not excessive, and that if we must go over to Ideas and comment on the actual project page; that our comments be constructive, and not destructive. Quote
anothergol Posted June 24, 2016 Author Posted June 24, 2016 (edited) The best method to let these creators know they have a poor project is not to vote for it. By releasing it online they should inherently know their project requires votes, and if their project fails to reach even a few hundred supporters it is a way for them to recognize the flawed nature of the project without receiving undue-criticism. But not at all. The majority of entries, good or bad, have no votes. Let me list a couple of the "ending soon" projects that are average (or even above), -nowhere near- the quality of that Platypus thing, and hardly have more than 100 votes: https://ideas.lego.com/projects/106764 https://ideas.lego.com/projects/108127 https://ideas.lego.com/projects/108739 https://ideas.lego.com/projects/108745 https://ideas.lego.com/projects/108942 https://ideas.lego.com/projects/109247 So you can't conclude anything about the quality, from votes alone. Hey, even my entries have no votes except one, but I didn't conclude "oh it's because they're crap". I'm well aware of the reason one got votes: Star Wars. But here's how I understand the problem: I'm seeing a lot critisizing those large 5000+ parts projects, claiming that they pollute Lego Ideas. Those projects are *good*, are voted for, and there are what, maybe 1 of them per week? Not only they are wrongly accused of polluting the website, I also find it strange that, in this case, no one cares about "hurting anyone's feelings". And why is that? Because those authors are grown-ups who can handle it, and I suspect that some of you believe that the authors of the bad projects are weak or retarded people. But I find it more insulting for them to believe that, than critisizing their projects. No one's making fun of a toddler's Duplo tower posted on his parent's Facebook page here, those are supposedly serious Lego Ideas entries, they are there for a reason. Edited June 24, 2016 by anothergol Quote
Actor Builder Posted June 24, 2016 Posted June 24, 2016 I feel obliged to apologize for my post from yesterday... That's very good-hearted of you, Exetrius. I'm sure the creator of the Idea would be happy to know it. These two posts about sum it up for me: That said, I don't like the atmosphere of mockery, either. It's nice to laugh a bit at some projects, because they truly are funny (or the idea that they could ever become sets is funny). But some people are being very negative, and that's uncalled for. I am okay with this thread continuing, but pick which projects to tease carefully. Look for the obvious trolls, or cases of the bizarre. Take care that our jokes of the model are not excessive, and that if we must go over to Ideas and comment on the actual project page; that our comments be constructive, and not destructive. Quote
StarWars8Spoiler Posted July 7, 2016 Posted July 7, 2016 (edited) I think the description is more entertaining with this one than the model itself! https://ideas.lego.com/projects/146295 This one amazingly got past the submission process with such a zoomed-out picture. Also unrealistically sized. https://ideas.lego.com/projects/146572 Edited July 7, 2016 by ChristopherLee Quote
x105Black Posted July 7, 2016 Posted July 7, 2016 I think the description is more entertaining with this one than the model itself! https://ideas.lego.com/projects/146295 This one amazingly got past the submission process with such a zoomed-out picture. Also unrealistically sized. https://ideas.lego.com/projects/146572 Interesting, both by the same person. I would say that these are definitely troll projects. Quote
anothergol Posted July 7, 2016 Author Posted July 7, 2016 I think the reason they look like troll projects is that they all have descriptions in proper english, -but- this is because Lego is very harsh on that requirement (like, I got a rejected project because not every word in the title was capitalized). That makes you wonder about what has never passed. Quote
x105Black Posted July 7, 2016 Posted July 7, 2016 I think the reason they look like troll projects is that they all have descriptions in proper english, -but- this is because Lego is very harsh on that requirement (like, I got a rejected project because not every word in the title was capitalized). That makes you wonder about what has never passed. It's not just the proper English, but the joking manner in which the description is written. Quote
Littleworlds Posted July 7, 2016 Posted July 7, 2016 I haven't looked at any of the projects shown here and I seriously doubt the point of this threat. There are nicer things to spend your time with than negativism. Quote
antp Posted July 7, 2016 Posted July 7, 2016 (edited) I haven't looked at any of the projects shown here and I seriously doubt the point of this threat. There are nicer things to spend your time with than negativism. What kind of things? Going post into threads without reading the related info to know what people talk about? And giving a negative comment about that? Isn't that time spent on negativism? Edited July 7, 2016 by antp Quote
Littleworlds Posted July 7, 2016 Posted July 7, 2016 (edited) What kind of things? Going post into threads without reading the related info to know what people talk about? And giving a negative comment about that? Isn't that time spent on negativism? With the best intentions though And are you seriously going to tell me this threat isn't about bashing other people's ideas? Edited July 7, 2016 by Littleworlds Quote
Jbricks Posted July 7, 2016 Posted July 7, 2016 this threat Coming into these thread just to hand out threats? Not cool. Quote
antp Posted July 8, 2016 Posted July 8, 2016 And are you seriously going to tell me this threat isn't about bashing other people's ideas? Sure, but originally rather about ideas that are so bad that you can't really do anything else than laugh or wonder why they're there... Not just the average "not very good" idea. Quote
Tariq j Posted July 8, 2016 Posted July 8, 2016 Sure, but originally rather about ideas that are so bad that you can't really do anything else than laugh or wonder why they're there... Not just the average "not very good" idea. But it's differentiating the "troll" projects form the decent ones that seems to be the problem on this thread. Granted, there's nothing wrong with laughing at a couple of projects that are obviously there for a joke (i.e. a single Lego brick). But I'd say 85% of this thread is full of decent ideas which are being unfairly mocked. https://ideas.lego.com/projects/146572 I see nothing wrong with this one, its a perfectly good creation. Quote
anothergol Posted July 8, 2016 Author Posted July 8, 2016 (edited) https://ideas.lego.com/projects/146572 I see nothing wrong with this one, its a perfectly good creation. hum, what do you even see of it from that distance? It -might- be a gem when zoomed in, but we all know it isn't. Funny thing reading its comments, one says "Love this smart work! Great work and images". Unless I'm missing the images, that proves that those projects get some copy/paste comments. Another even says "Nice little set" :) Edited July 8, 2016 by anothergol Quote
MAB Posted July 8, 2016 Posted July 8, 2016 (edited) I haven't looked at any of the projects shown here and I seriously doubt the point of this threat. There are nicer things to spend your time with than negativism. Laughing at crap isn't negative, it is the foundation of the internet. https://ideas.lego.com/projects/146572 I see nothing wrong with this one, its a perfectly good creation. It is a request to bring back old / rare parts in a pack rather than a proper set. That is what is wrong with it. Edited July 8, 2016 by MAB Quote
Mesabi Posted July 20, 2016 Posted July 20, 2016 I get why people are beginning to not like this thread, but remember that half of these probably violated the 13 and under rule. Others violate the license rule, (i.e. {Perry the Platypus wouldn't work since Lego has that License, even though they never used it.) Or the "No bringing back old parts" rule. I think it's okay to rib on people who are to lazy to read the site guidelines Quote
x105Black Posted July 20, 2016 Posted July 20, 2016 (edited) It's projects like these that I consider clutter: The Office of an Octan Man Western Horse Drawn Carriage I apologize if these are your projects, I just don't see why anyone would expect them to be chosen for LEGO Ideas. Edited July 20, 2016 by x105Black Quote
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