SHIELD vs. HYDRA Mafia - Day 1

[JackJonespaw]

"I'm really not sure what to feel about Mr. Schram. He's the scummiest out of everyone, which is why I'm keeping my vote on him, but newbies often are scummy and I'm worried it might be simply down to him being inexperienced and not necessarily him being HYDRA. However, I've written off newbies as "newbies" before in the past and it's come back to bite me; newbie scum can essentially fly under the radar by playing the n00b card."

I would be most willing to chalk it up to this, however, since voting is mandantory, I must vote for the man who seems the most suspicious to me.

We are ending the end of our day here, friends. Careful, careful!

"I really, really need that strong coffee now.....Jafar!"

After many many hours of toil, here is your coffee, madame. Enjoy.

[Umbra-Manis]

Something about Kinjobby's last post makes him a lot more suspicious. However, I still find Mr. Schram more scummy so:

Vote: Steven Schram (Khscarymovie4)

[Khscarymovie4]

This might be my final time I'm here today, or ever. all I gotta say is I hope S.H.I.E.L.D kills all those dirty scum! If I get 9 votes, I will die without resistance.

[mediumsnowman]

Vote Tally

4 votes for Eugene Lawson (Forresto): (Penalty x4)

1 vote for Jasper Heinz (PirateDave84): (Tariq j)

8 votes for Steven Schram (Khscarymovie4): (Dragonfire, Darkdragon, Bob, Piratedave84, JackJonespaw, Forresto, Junior Shark, Umbra-Manis)

1 vote for Alyssa Turner (CallMePie): (mostlytechnic)

2 votes for Kinjobby O'Laughlin (Junior Shark): (Comrade Commander, Lady K)

3 votes for Daniel Bartell (mostlytechnic): (fhomess, CallMePie, jluck)

1 vote for Jafar Masrani (JackJonespaw): (Khscarymovie4)

With 16 players remaining, a majority of 9 is required for a lynch. Approximately 8 hours remain in the day.

[Dragonfire]

Th' key woord being "almost", laddie. Th' phrase ah would replace "almost" with woold be "maybe sorta probably ah doon't really knoow aythin' if 1 were Snowy Owl and 10 were Barn Owl ah woold rate your potential scoominess at a solid Burrowing Owl." Ah hope ah'm gettin' me point across here.

No, you're really not. Do you suspect me or not?

Need ah spell oot everything? Ah voted on Jasper based on his then-fresh actions. In th' light of more recent action, th' possibility of him beeing HYDRA has diminished in m' eyes. Is 'at th' way this works, every working o' me mind's steam-powered dishwasher is laid bare before th' world? (By th' way, happy birthday, dishwasher!) Yoo are right in 'at post being a "springboard" post. With th' vindication of m' initial suspect, ah must wait until another one preesents him or her-self. And yes, at th' moment, Steven Schram be at the top o' me very short list of suspects (okay, so he be th' only suspect at th' moment). Is it so wrong to want to avoid a bandwagon? In this case, ah think the bandwagon is very understandable (yoo even are a part of 'at bandwagon). Hoowevah, time is upon me. Ah am faced with a decision to make. Like me pioneer ancestors of old, who trekked across th' Great White North, ah must find a bandwagon to hop on to so that ah may survive.

Thanks sooo much for that, you've just increased your scumminess hugely and warranted my vote.

Unvote: Steven Schram (Khscarymovie4)

Vote: Kinjobby O'Laughlin (Junior Shark)

I'm not going to disagree with the notion that newbies often look scummy to the rest of us or the fact that newbies who look scummy can actually be scum. He very well could be scum. This does, however, look like a way for you to later explain away your vote if he comes up SHIELD.

Agreed, it does. Whether it is or not is all WIFOM, mate (although you can take my word for it that it's not, whatever that counts for!)

Something about Kinjobby's last post makes him a lot more suspicious. However, I still find Mr. Schram more scummy so:

Vote: Steven Schram (Khscarymovie4)

Way to bandwagon. That's how you got by last game too, quietly bandwagoning. Care to offer anything more substantial to the discussion?

[Umbra-Manis]

Way to bandwagon. That's how you got by last game too, quietly bandwagoning. Care to offer anything more substantial to the discussion?

As a matter of fact I do. When I made that vote we had approximately 9 hours remaining and Mr. Schram was sitting at 7 votes. The next closest person was Mr. Lawson with his 4 vote penalty, but he seems unlikely to be a target for vote switches. The two main possibilities for switches are Mr. O'Laughlin and Mr. Bartell. Those two each needed 6 and 7 votes respectively to be lynched.

We have 5-6 people who have posted a very low number of times, and you yourself said you will only be here about once every twenty four hours. I figured that the odds of getting enough votes to swing it in favor of someone else before I went offline in around 6 hours (4 now) weren't the best, and I felt like this vote was my best bet in case something came up this evening.

[Junior Shark]

Sheesh can noobody catch a break here? Ah can smell th' obsession throogh th' screen. I believe that it is th' stealthy HYDRA agents y' have too watch oot fer. In this case, Schram has doone a right croomy job oof that. SHIELD oor not, he does not smell 100% Kosher. Boot what aboot th' HYDRA agents who are incredibly stealthy? I call attention too thoose who have successfully flown underneath everyone's radars: Ms. Coleman, Mr. Leffel and Ms. Turner. Their inactivity is moore soospicious than anythin' posted here (barring Mr. Schram's actions). [Yes, I realize there are real world commitments.]

Way to bandwagon. That's how you got by last game too, quietly bandwagoning. Care to offer anything more substantial to the discussion?

Ironic, since you are th' most recent person to joomp on a bandwagon. If Igneous was 1, and Metamorphic was 10, ah'd rate yoor scoominess at a solid Sedimentary. An' that bandwaggonin' yoo so despise? If Azure was 1, and Turquoise was 10, ah'd rate your bandwaggonin' at a solid Umber.

[Lady K]

I'll grant that "day 1 is random votes till something starts to stick" is a crappy fact for the town, but that doesn't diminish the fact that it is indeed a factual statement. When has the town ever had anything to really base a day 1 vote on? I sure don't remember it ever happening. Day 1 is tossing votes around until a wagon gets up enough steam to reach a majority. That's just how it is, and it's why being able to look back at the vote patterns later is important.

No, I did not defend you. There's a big difference between what I did and defending you. When person A says something dumb about person B, I can address person A's comments without it meaning I'm defending person B.

If Alyssa doesn't show up, I'd gladly vote her out when there's nothing more substantial to base a vote on. I guess I wasn't clear earlier. When I said I'd move my vote later unless others joined me, I meant that if others joined me, I'd see her reaction and then keep the vote on her if warranted. Incomplete thought there in my post, sorry. More importantly, she did bother to appear since my poke just long enough to throw an obvious OMGUS vote my way. Frankly, that makes me seriously think about unvoting her because it's such a "scummy" reaction that it's too obvious for her to normally have done that. She's better than that when she's scum.

And someone else asked about who's not been around... well, at this point all 16 of us have said something today. But James Cunningham, Hailey Coleman, and Alyssa have each spoken just twice, and Cecilia Reed, Walter Williams, and David Leffel have only spoken thrice. Everyone else is at 5 or more.

I still don't buy this as a very SHIELD like thing to say. Yes we all know that usually day 1 ends up with a townie lynch, but to state it like you did and then restate it as a 'oh well we need to lynch to analyze votes, so lets just randomly form a bandwagon' just doesn't sit well with me.

"I'm really not sure what to feel about Mr. Schram. He's the scummiest out of everyone, which is why I'm keeping my vote on him, but newbies often are scummy and I'm worried it might be simply down to him being inexperienced and not necessarily him being HYDRA. However, I've written off newbies as "newbies" before in the past and it's come back to bite me; newbie scum can essentially fly under the radar by playing the n00b card."

I would be most willing to chalk it up to this, however, since voting is mandantory, I must vote for the man who seems the most suspicious to me.

We are ending the end of our day here, friends. Careful, careful!

"I really, really need that strong coffee now.....Jafar!"

After many many hours of toil, here is your coffee, madame. Enjoy.

Thank you Jafar, excellent coffee and much needed.

What do you mean by mentioning we should be careful that we are ending our day? If you aren't sure of where your vote should go there are other choices. For example I feel that the scummiest of the bunch right now are Mr. O'Laughlin and Mr. Bartell. Both of these have votes on them and both could be the lynch choice of the day as well.

This might be my final time I'm here today, or ever. all I gotta say is I hope S.H.I.E.L.D kills all those dirty scum! If I get 9 votes, I will die without resistance.

This is typical for day one, please don't let it discourage you from future games.

[mostlytechnic]

I still don't buy this as a very SHIELD like thing to say. Yes we all know that usually day 1 ends up with a townie lynch, but to state it like you did and then restate it as a 'oh well we need to lynch to analyze votes, so lets just randomly form a bandwagon' just doesn't sit well with me.

So now stating true facts is a non-Shield thing to do? I wish it was not true and that the town had a way to reliably lynch on day 1, but we don't. And I've often in the past suggested no-lynch day 1, but that is always shot down. Frankly though, it's part of why I haven't moved my vote over (even though I've got several votes on me and so joining the wagon would be the safe, self-preserving thing to do) - I'd rather have a no lynch than have a townie get lynched, and there's probably about 80% odds that a townie is getting lynched if we to take someone out today.

Since the day is near end and we have a number of new (and new-er) faces around here... lemme throw out some thoughts on night roles for whoever has them (and obviously, other Shield members please jump in with your thoughts as well!)

Vig: Unless you're required to kill every night, you should not kill night 1. And maybe not night 2 either. At this point in the hunt there's too little to go on and the odds are against you. It's way too easy to kill off a fellow Shield and it's not worth the risk.

Investigator: Frankly, it's probably best for you to find a townie tonight. Then you can talk to them in private and begin building a town block. They can share if they learned anything, and you can use them later to speak to the town when you have found info worth sharing.

Doctor: Night 1, it's a crapshoot for you. You probably don't have anyone you really want to protect yet (since no one's been forced into claiming yet today). It's probably worth you protecting someone for the 2 in 15 odds that you protect the person the scum or serial killer target, but it's also a slight risk that someone catches you. Most of the investigative roles are town though, so that risk is low.

Watcher/tracker: Whatever you learn night 1 is not telling you much yet, UNLESS you catch a killer. If you track someone, see them visit person B, and person B turns up dead, you probably just found a scum or the SK. Not a guarantee, since there could have been multiple people visitng person B. Ditto for a watcher - if you watch someone, they have a visitor, and the person you watch dies, that visitor is probably scum or SK. In either case, it's likely worth outing yourself tomorrow to share that news and trust that the doc can protect you tomorrow night (I know, that's debatable). I would NOT reveal the info right away though since that'd kill discussion tomorrow.

Blocker: Like the doc, not a whole lot for you to do since you probably don't have great reads on anyone yet. I'd be somewhat inclined for you to stay home, since the odds of you blocking a fellow Shield are higher than the odds of you blocking scum.

SK: You're not town, but odds are good that you can win with us, so try to kill Hydra since there's less of them. We will almost certainly kill you when we find you, since you can't be trusted to side with us, but you have better odds of persuading us to spare you if you've got a few Hydra scalps to show off.

For more info on these roles as well as other, less common, roles that may be floating around, check out the MafiaScum Wiki

[jluck]

What is the current vote count and how much time?

Also, Daniel is correct in his summation of roles, though I may add that the doctor may be able to protect him/her self which isn't a bad thought on day 1. We all heavily rely on http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Category:Roles_Main_Page whenever we're confused

[mediumsnowman]

Vote Tally

4 votes for Eugene Lawson (Forresto): (Penalty x4)

1 vote for Jasper Heinz (PirateDave84): (Tariq j)

7 votes for Steven Schram (Khscarymovie4): (Darkdragon, Bob, Piratedave84, JackJonespaw, Forresto, Junior Shark, Umbra-Manis)

1 vote for Alyssa Turner (CallMePie): (mostlytechnic)

3 votes for Kinjobby O'Laughlin (Junior Shark): (Comrade Commander, Lady K, Dragonfire)

3 votes for Daniel Bartell (mostlytechnic): (fhomess, CallMePie, jluck)

1 vote for Jafar Masrani (JackJonespaw): (Khscarymovie4)

With 16 players remaining, a majority of 9 is required for a lynch. Approximately 4 1/2 hours remain in the day.

Edited March 11, 2016 by mediumsnowman

[jluck]

Ok, with the time and mind and the need for a lynch I'll go ahead and switch. Typically I'd say Daniel is not off the hook but I'm far more uncertain about my vote on him after his most recent post.

unvote: Daniel bartell (mostlytechnic)

vote: Steven schram (khscarymovie4)

Steven you were clearly enthusiastic about getting to participate so please don't get discouraged if you do in fact get lynched. I was the day 1 lynch in my first game but I'm glad I stuck it out.

Also, STEVEN, IF YOU HAVE A POWER ROLE, YOU MAY WANT TO CLAIM AT SOME POINT. WE DONT WANT TO LOSE AN IMPORTANT ROLE THIS EARLY.

[Lady K]

So now stating true facts is a non-Shield thing to do? I wish it was not true and that the town had a way to reliably lynch on day 1, but we don't. And I've often in the past suggested no-lynch day 1, but that is always shot down. Frankly though, it's part of why I haven't moved my vote over (even though I've got several votes on me and so joining the wagon would be the safe, self-preserving thing to do) - I'd rather have a no lynch than have a townie get lynched, and there's probably about 80% odds that a townie is getting lynched if we to take someone out today.

Since the day is near end and we have a number of new (and new-er) faces around here... lemme throw out some thoughts on night roles for whoever has them (and obviously, other Shield members please jump in with your thoughts as well!)

Vig: Unless you're required to kill every night, you should not kill night 1. And maybe not night 2 either. At this point in the hunt there's too little to go on and the odds are against you. It's way too easy to kill off a fellow Shield and it's not worth the risk.

Investigator: Frankly, it's probably best for you to find a townie tonight. Then you can talk to them in private and begin building a town block. They can share if they learned anything, and you can use them later to speak to the town when you have found info worth sharing.

Doctor: Night 1, it's a crapshoot for you. You probably don't have anyone you really want to protect yet (since no one's been forced into claiming yet today). It's probably worth you protecting someone for the 2 in 15 odds that you protect the person the scum or serial killer target, but it's also a slight risk that someone catches you. Most of the investigative roles are town though, so that risk is low.

Watcher/tracker: Whatever you learn night 1 is not telling you much yet, UNLESS you catch a killer. If you track someone, see them visit person B, and person B turns up dead, you probably just found a scum or the SK. Not a guarantee, since there could have been multiple people visitng person B. Ditto for a watcher - if you watch someone, they have a visitor, and the person you watch dies, that visitor is probably scum or SK. In either case, it's likely worth outing yourself tomorrow to share that news and trust that the doc can protect you tomorrow night (I know, that's debatable). I would NOT reveal the info right away though since that'd kill discussion tomorrow.

Blocker: Like the doc, not a whole lot for you to do since you probably don't have great reads on anyone yet. I'd be somewhat inclined for you to stay home, since the odds of you blocking a fellow Shield are higher than the odds of you blocking scum.

SK: You're not town, but odds are good that you can win with us, so try to kill Hydra since there's less of them. We will almost certainly kill you when we find you, since you can't be trusted to side with us, but you have better odds of persuading us to spare you if you've got a few Hydra scalps to show off.

For more info on these roles as well as other, less common, roles that may be floating around, check out the MafiaScum Wiki

It's not that you are stating facts, it's how you are stating them. You stated them as a 'oh well' type of attitude, which I find as rather scummy. That and the fact that you first stated we need a lynch to analyze the voting pattern and now your stating you would rather have a no-lynch.

I disagree about jumping on a band wagon would be the self-preservation thing to do. I think not jumping on the band wagon is more self-preserving for you, then tomorrow you would look good for not voting for him if he turns up town.

As it stands right now, I just don't see Mr. Schram as more scummy than Mr. O'Laughlin or Mr. Bartell so I am keeping my vote where it is.

[Khscarymovie4]

I don't have any night roles. All I can really do now is wait to see what happens. The reason I voted for Jafar is because, of this

Aye, I understand you now, sir. I am suspicious of no one, I must admit. It is the first day, after all, it is quite rare that any true suspicions are made.

Then, after 2 more people voted for me, he said

"I have decided to vote at the very last moment. I want to make sure I'm 99% whoever I vote for is hydra."

Good luck on that for this first day, friend. The only people who are 99% certain about anything are those who are HYDRA. And that I am 99% sure I am SHIELD cook.

I know that this will fall into the familiar "repetition of others'" category, but something about Mr. Schram's attitude does not sit well with me, as if I under-cooked a steak, which of course would never happen. But occasionally, and I attempt a metaphor here, sometimes people themselves are under-cooked, if you understand me.

Although it is true that Mr. Schram is a bit new to this SHIELD against HYDRA game, and it seems as though he is floundering around vivaciously, and that is just not something that I would enjoy to place among my ranks. Not to mention, he could very well be a HYDRA agent, either quite in under his head, or attempting to pass as a floundering town, either way you look at it, it is quite the suspicious act.

I shall Vote: Mr. Schram (Khscarymovie4). I am also quite intrigued to see who he votes for with his 99% confidence.

If anyone would desire some food, I am idly sitting by, awaiting your command.

I find it odd that he thinks no one is suspicious, then vote's for me because he thinks i'm suspicious. I also did not make any replies in between his post.

NVM I did make one post.

I knew my unvote would look bad. I honestly have no idea who Hydra could be. The only thing that is sorta of suspicious, is some people bandwagon. (I am guilty of these also.)

I don't know is these is enough to make me suspicious though.

[Comrade Commander]

Ok, with the time and mind and the need for a lynch I'll go ahead and switch.

That's the things guys, I don't we don't necessarily have to lynch tonight if we cannot come up with a good solution. We may let a Mafia Scum live one more day if we are narrowing in on them, but we also might avoid lynching a town.

Once we get more insight into what the HYDRA spies are thinking, we will be able to see what we can piece together.

So bottom line, it is hard to get good evidence today, but don't make changes just because we "have to get a lynch"

My vote remains as while I am seeing increasing suspicion, I still don't trust that Scot!

[jluck]

That's the things guys, I don't we don't necessarily have to lynch tonight if we cannot come up with a good solution. We may let a Mafia Scum live one more day if we are narrowing in on them, but we also might avoid lynching a town.

Once we get more insight into what the HYDRA spies are thinking, we will be able to see what we can piece together.

So bottom line, it is hard to get good evidence today, but don't make changes just because we "have to get a lynch"

My vote remains as while I am seeing increasing suspicion, I still don't trust that Scot!

My thinking has been evolving on this topic. I've always advocated a day one lynch and I still prefer it. However, I am interested in exploring the advantages of waiting until day 2 to lynch. Day one lynchees are typically town, which is the downside. However, they reveal an allegiance and develop voting patterns that spark day 2 conversations, otherwise, day 2 can become day 1 part 2.

[mediumsnowman]

Vote Tally

4 votes for Eugene Lawson (Forresto): (Penalty x4)

1 vote for Jasper Heinz (PirateDave84): (Tariq j)

8 votes for Steven Schram (Khscarymovie4): (Darkdragon, Bob, Piratedave84, JackJonespaw, Forresto, Junior Shark, Umbra-Manis, jluck)

1 vote for Alyssa Turner (CallMePie): (mostlytechnic)

3 votes for Kinjobby O'Laughlin (Junior Shark): (Comrade Commander, Lady K, Dragonfire)

2 votes for Daniel Bartell (mostlytechnic): (fhomess, CallMePie)

1 vote for Jafar Masrani (JackJonespaw): (Khscarymovie4)

With 16 players remaining, a majority of 9 is required for a lynch. A little over an hour remains in the day. You may begin submitting night actions now, if you're so inclined.

[Khscarymovie4]

I guess day 1 is over. All 16 suspects remain. Hopefully we come back to day 2 as 16 again.

[mediumsnowman]

Final Vote Tally

4 votes for Eugene Lawson (Forresto): (Penalty x4)

1 vote for Jasper Heinz (PirateDave84): (Tariq j)

8 votes for Steven Schram (Khscarymovie4): (Darkdragon, Bob, Piratedave84, JackJonespaw, Forresto, Junior Shark, Umbra-Manis, jluck)

1 vote for Alyssa Turner (CallMePie): (mostlytechnic)

3 votes for Kinjobby O'Laughlin (Junior Shark): (Comrade Commander, Lady K, Dragonfire)

2 votes for Daniel Bartell (mostlytechnic): (fhomess, CallMePie)

1 vote for Jafar Masrani (JackJonespaw): (Khscarymovie4)

With 16 players remaining, a majority of 9 is required for a lynch. As no majority has been reached, nobody has been lynched.

The day dragged on, and the occupants of the Helicarrier bickered among themselves, pointed fingers, and formed wild theories.

Nick Fury returned to a hung jury.

"So, who did you guys decide to lynch today?" The crowd mumbled, nobody willing to meet his gaze. "Well... um... we couldn't come to a decision."

"What?! That's stupid. You have to lynch somebody!"

Walter Williams (jluck) stepped forward.

"Actually, there's nothing in the rules against it. You know, youngsters, I've been around for a long time and I've seen a lot of Day 1 lynches, some good some bad. This might not actually be a bad thing! Tomorrow will be like Day 1 Part 2, except we'll have something to go on! "

"Very well," replied Nick, "But how the heck did you manage to use an emoticon while speaking out loud in a sentence? For that matter, how did I? :wacko: "

It is now night. Night will last 48 hours. Get those actions in!

Edited March 11, 2016 by mediumsnowman