Rolling Stock Order

[SavaTheAggie]

Over in the western forums I posted about my new open air, old west stock car:

Well, I want to add it to my old west train:

But the question is - where to put it? Anyone have any knowledge if there was an order to things back then? They didn't exactly have many rail yards back then, certainly not on railstop towns, so I could believe if order was an important thing to consider. I thought maybe behind the tender, but in real life that might cause certain... odors... to waft back into the passenger cars. Not to mention flying livestock should they decide they want off early. I thought behind the passenger cars in front of the caboose, but then the caboose would be totally isolated from the passenger cars.

Thoughts?

--Tony

[ExoBuilder]

I really like the Stock Car. Good job,

Jordan.

[highlandcattle]

I made a truck to get my pigs to the market ;)

It is an interesting question you raise there,one worth investigating.

I would say move the passenger cars as far away as possible from the engine, for noise reasons. But what is the worst, stench or noise?

I thought only cargo trains had a caboose, no need for them on a passenger train.

Edited October 26, 2007 by highlandcattle

[meschepers]

Great train. My dad would LOVE it... he's a train fanatic, not just LEGO either. Here's the thing I think should be noticed. Passenger trains would not be linked with stock cars. Stock trains would be linked with passenger cars. It's good to see that you have the fuel car right behind the engine. Behind that would be the passenger cars and behind the passenger cars would be whatever luggage coaches there would be, followed by the caboose. I don't believe there would be livestock attached to a passenger train, logistically there is no 'good' place to have it... though if you have to attach it, I'd put it behind the passengers and before the caboose, just make sure there is a passage from the caboose to the coach cars.

Great work!

[Hinckley]

Sava, I feel I don't say enough how great your Train MOCs are. You are an expert train builder and I feel very fortunate that you share your awesome creations with us! Thank you! This is very simple, but effective and creative nonetheless. I love the Brickforge animals and they do make a great addition to old west train.

I made a truck to get my pigs to the market ;)

It is an interesting question you raise there,one worth investigating.

I would say move the passenger cars as far away as possible from the engine, for noise reasons. But what is the worst, stench or noise?

I thought only cargo trains had a caboose, no need for them on a passenger train.

Excellent highlandcattle, but start a new thread for your creation. I would hate for your creation to get lost in a thread about someone else's MOC. Your truck deserves it's own topic. ;-)

[SavaTheAggie]

Great train. My dad would LOVE it... he's a train fanatic, not just LEGO either. Here's the thing I think should be noticed. Passenger trains would not be linked with stock cars. Stock trains would be linked with passenger cars. It's good to see that you have the fuel car right behind the engine. Behind that would be the passenger cars and behind the passenger cars would be whatever luggage coaches there would be, followed by the caboose. I don't believe there would be livestock attached to a passenger train, logistically there is no 'good' place to have it... though if you have to attach it, I'd put it behind the passengers and before the caboose, just make sure there is a passage from the caboose to the coach cars.

Great work!

That's not true, in the early 19th century passenger and freight cars on the same train were commonplace, as there just wasn't the volume of rail traffic or demand for service to warrant segregation of freight and passenger service like there was toward the end of the 19th and beginning of the 20th century. It's the natural evolution of transportation services, as demand increases it becomes more cost effective to separate passenger oriented service from freight. Air traffic used to be a mixed bag of freight and passenger (still is to some degree), and NASA is currently working on the same transition. The Space Shuttle is being replaced by three different types of vehicles - a passenger only rocket, which is smaller and very fuel efficient, and then two freight rockets - one light and one heavy, named the Ares I, Ares IV and Ares V respectively (called Project Constellation).

--Tony

Edited October 29, 2007 by SavaTheAggie

[AC_]

But the question is - where to put it? Anyone have any knowledge if there was an order to things back then? They didn't exactly have many rail yards back then, certainly not on railstop towns, so I could believe if order was an important thing to consider. I thought maybe behind the tender, but in real life that might cause certain... odors... to waft back into the passenger cars. Not to mention flying livestock should they decide they want off early. I thought behind the passenger cars in front of the caboose, but then the caboose would be totally isolated from the passenger cars.

Thoughts?

--Tony

I don't know so much about in those days, but certainly in the UK in the days of steam, it was prefered to put livestock wagons directly behind the engine, becuse there was less chance of the wagons bumping about as much as if they were at the end of the train and generally you don't want the livestock getting any injuries, so the nearer to the engine, the better.

I can't think of the correct terminology to make this clear on screen although I know exactly what I mean in my mind, so hopefully you can understand what I mean.

Edit: And in response to the question about whether a caboose is needed or not, in the UK it all depended on the brake system. Passenger carriages in the UK usually had a form of braking attached to the engine (vacuum brakes for instance, The engine maintains a vacuum that holds the brakes on the carridges off), while frieght wagons didn't have these brake systems, so a guards van (UK equivilent of a caboose) would be needed. Although generally livestock wagons would be fitted with the same type of brakes as passenger carridges if I remember correctly.

Edited October 31, 2007 by AC_

[Lord Of Pies]

To be honest, I have no idea!! :-/

However I presume one would put the passenger carriages near or at the back! Sorry I could not be of more help.

[Asuka]

I can't think of the correct terminology to make this clear on screen although I know exactly what I mean in my mind, so hopefully you can understand what I mean.

Your post is perfectly clear. Thanks for that good information. *y*

[SavaTheAggie]

Thanks for all the input, guys. I've decided behind the tender is the way to go, which seems to have been the consensus here. The next time I have the room to set up a length of track, I'll be sure to take pictures of the new consist.

--Tony