Jipay vs. Hinckley Smackdown

[Starwars4J]

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Okay, as if Hinckley didn't talk enough smack, he's done it again, this time with member no.1 jipay...

What is this fight about, unlike Sinner vs. Hinckley, this one is about color choices... :-/ To sum up, jipay not only insulted hinckley's MOC, he insulted Fabuland sets! >:-( >:-( >:-(

Here are the rules of the MOC rumble:

1. Contestants may only use 50 pieces each (not including 1 minifig and 2 minifig accessories)

2. Theme chosen is "steampunk" which neither fighter has built... 8-

[Siegfried]

It's against my religion to vote for MOC 2 due to illegal parts usage.... :-$ I'm going to go and cry over the soul of the Mini-Fig ripped in two to make that hardsuit. :'-(

[Asuka]

Both works

[SirNadroj]

The second one's really really clever, but I had to go with #1. It is more of a classic, you know what I mean? ;-)

[Lt. Col. Thok]

Definitely Number 1! It looks the best; and besides, number 2 uses bley and grey, therefore disqualifying it. X-D

[Sir Dillon]

I voted number one. Two is also nice, but the use of the Rock Raider roll cage pieces is so great I had to vote for it. :'-)

[Chuck]

Definitely Number 1! It looks the best; and besides, number 2 uses bley and grey, therefore disqualifying it. X-D

I would actually argue that that makes it look MORE steampunk.

-Chuck

[SupremeCommmanderGrievous]

I voted for number 1. *y* Number 2 dosn't look as steampunk to me.

[gylman]

Wow, I would have never thought people could do so much with just 50 pieces.

Excellent! Both models are clever and worthy.

#1 captures the essence of steampunk better, I believe, hence my vote for it.

[Scouty]

I just absolutely *wub* Number 1. I like it's essence of navigation and looks of it! Great job to both Hinkley (who has lost '39') and jipay!!

[Asuka]

Great job to both Hinkley (who has lost '39') and jipay!!

Hey.... I found it.... tricky hoodwinkers! :-P

[Hinckley]

Hey.... I found it.... tricky hoodwinkers! :-P

great!...er...what? *wacko*

[Corvus]

great!...er...what? *wacko*

I think he meant that's where the 39 went... If you ask me, Hinckley without the 39 is like a ferrari without paint... Not needed, but certainly missed. :-P

I think entry 1 kicked some donkey. It certainly fits the steampunk theme well, and looks like something lego would make. Entry 2 is nice, too, but it looks more like a thumbwrestling mech than steampunk. :-P

[Siegfried]

I would actually argue that that makes it look MORE steampunk.

-Chuck

...and you might be surprised to hear that I think you have a point. I think grey and bley are great for steampunk. Even so (and technique aside) MOC 1 is more what I see as steampunk. MOC 2 has no clear mechanics (the shovels could be stacks I suppose 8-| ) and IMHO aside from the printed piece and the helmet it looks no different to a futuristic suit/mech. While steampunk doesn't have to always include steam, for me it certainly does help.

That is what I think of when I hear "steampunk". A mixture of 200 year old tech with tech that wasn't there at the time. MOC 1 has clear mechanics and does something modern while still looking old. It also has some clever parts usage; I have to get me one of those RockRaiders canopys!

I am very impressed though how both MOCs turned out. I thought with only 50 pieces both would look lame. I'd buy both of these; including MOC 2 as I want one of those helmets! :-P Great work! *sweet*

[Hinckley]

I think he meant that's where the 39 went... If you ask me, Hinckley without the 39 is like a ferrari without paint... Not needed, but certainly missed. :-P

:-D :-D :-D Ooooooh! *wacko*

Thanks for explaining! :-P

yes, I kind of miss it :'-(

:-D

[Siegfried]

I think he meant that's where the 39 went... If you ask me, Hinckley without the 39 is like a ferrari without paint... Not needed, but certainly missed. :-P

I always called him Hinckley anyway. :-P I am very glad though that he has a capital letter now; names with out capitals freak me out. (Yes, I am a Self Servicer! :-$ )

[Chuck]

...and you might be surprised to hear that I think you have a point. I think grey and bley are great for steampunk. Even so (and technique aside) MOC 1 is more what I see as steampunk. MOC 2 has no clear mechanics (the shovels could be stacks I suppose 8-| ) and IMHO aside from the printed piece and the helmet it looks no different to a futuristic suit/mech. While steampunk doesn't have to always include steam, for me it certainly does help.

That is what I think of when I hear "steampunk". A mixture of 200 year old tech with tech that wasn't there at the time. MOC 1 has clear mechanics and does something modern while still looking old. It also has some clever parts usage; I have to get me one of those RockRaiders canopys!

I am very impressed though how both MOCs turned out. I thought with only 50 pieces both would look lame. I'd buy both of these; including MOC 2 as I want one of those helmets! :-P Great work! *sweet*

You misunderstood what I was saying.

I wasn't comparing it to the other MOC, I was saying that giving it two different color tones of grey help contribute to the steampunk look of it.

They are both very nice MOCs, such as unique part usage and function on both parts, but they both also have their weak points. For instance, MOC 1, while having steampunk qualities, doesn't exhibit how the side rotors would be able to spin, as there is a lack of hoses to connect the engine to the rotor base. Also, the technic rods doesn't quite fit in with steampunk if it is too exposed as so. Also, some parts that are boxy have potential to not be boxy, i.e. where the side rotors connect and the base. Those flaws aside, I love the Victorian-Era Helicopter look and the use of rock raider canopies.

On to MOC 2.

I liked the use of SNOT, bley to contrast with grey, and the Asian hat as a boilerplate. But this too, has its flaws. One thing that I immediatley noticed was the lack of an exhaust pipe for the steam or even a place for the steam to build up (unless the second shovel without a flag is an exhaust pipe). Another thing I didn't like was the side "missle rack" (?) which I feel should be replaced with a gatling gun of some kind.

Once again, great job on both MOCs, but after a long and thurough examination I chose MOC 2.

-Chuck

[Siegfried]

You misunderstood what I was saying.

I wasn't comparing it to the other MOC, I was saying that giving it two different color tones of grey help contribute to the steampunk look of it.

Ahhh, but you have misunderstood what I was saying! :-P I was just saying that the being grey is OK! That was all. The rest of my post was just an expanded analysis. :-$ That was why I said "Even so". By that I meant I was moving on to a new point....

For instance, MOC 1, while having steampunk qualities, doesn't exhibit how the side rotors would be able to spin, as there is a lack of hoses to connect the engine to the rotor base.

Who said that it was steam pressure driven? The way I saw it was the steam drove a piston, that drove a shaft inside the strut. While it probably is too thin, this is Lego after all.... Besides, you can't pick on it for that as MOC 2 has no hoses at all!

[Chuck]

Who said that it was steam pressure driven? The way I saw it was the steam drove a piston, that drove a shaft inside the strut. While it probably is too thin, this is Lego after all.... Besides, you can't pick on it for that as MOC 2 has no hoses at all!

Thats because they are different types of vehicles. Maybe if the technic rods were covered in those 1x2 technic cylinders. I didn't say that MOC 2 was perfect, either ;-)

Also, mind you that this is my personal opinion, and I feel like you are trying to tell me that my opinion is wrong :-/

-Chuck

Edited October 10, 2007 by Chuck

[Siegfried]

Thats because they are different types of vehicles.

Oh. So flying things need hoses, but walking ones don't. Cool. I understand now.

Also, mind you that this is my personal opinion, and I feel like you are trying to tell me that my opinion is wrong :-/

I thought we were discussing, but I apoligise if I came off a bit strong. I was just stating my opinion on your opinion, but if I am bothering you I won't do that in the future. However, feel free to pick apart my logic whenever you want. I love being proved wrong! :-P

[Starwars4J]

I think they're both great entries!

MOC 1:

Pros:

True essance of steampunk!

greebly *wub*

rockraiders tumble cage! I'm so stealing that 8-

[Shadows]

Both are very nice and maximize the minimal parts count.

#1 is definitely the steampunkiest of them though, thus getting my vote. *y*

If this was a mecha or minifig based effort, it'd be all about #2.

Nice work, both of you! *y*

[Bonaparte]

Both MOCs are very creative and original.

They are also very different. So different that I have a hard time choosing.

Mmmm....I'll give it some thought and vote later today.

[LuxorV]

My vote goes to number #1. It's more steampunk-style, and I really like the use of gears in full view *wub* .

Btw, am I the only one who finds it nicely similar to the desert skiff from SW-episode VI (certainly because of the nose is the same :-$ )?

LuxorV

[iamded]

I'm gonna go with numero uno. It just looks more Steampunk, and is well built and funky, especially with only 50 parts. The second one is nice too, but doesn't quite match up to #1. While it's mix of colours makes it look Steampunky, and it's put together well with nice details, it's just not as Steampunky as the first one.

~Peace