Zarkan Posted September 14, 2007 Posted September 14, 2007 (edited) Anyway, the worst in my opinion is, hands down, Episode 1. I have several reasons for that, starting with the most obvious: Jar Jar Binks. I need not say anymore about him, as we all know how his misfitting clumsiness and childish posture made us hate him so much. But it Edited September 14, 2007 by Grevious Quote
Brainbox Posted September 14, 2007 Posted September 14, 2007 Anyway, the worst in my opinion is, hands down, Episode 1. And if that's not a typical fan-boy answer I don't know what is! :-D Honestly, I think all the films have merits, and all have problems, but I try not to be too negative about something I love, preferring questions like "which is the best Star Wars movie" to this question anyday. Which, incidentally, is exactly what I said to a guy at college the other day. But, yeah, Jar-Jar was pretty annoying (understatement of the century). Quote
Shadows Posted September 14, 2007 Posted September 14, 2007 Episode III. Easily. In his constant attempt to go against anything and everything ever written by any author, Lucas warped and twisted the entire story into a series of annoying and whiny scenes. Episode III was the movie with the most potential. Position the epic battle at the beginning, reveal Vader by midpoint, and slaughter Jedi for the rest. It's simple. It's effective. It's exactly what they didn't do. It was the biggest disappointment of all, because of what it could have been. Episode I, surprisingly, has grown into a fairly tolerable movie in my eyes. I didn't like it at first, I'll admit, but over time I've seen where it was a difficult starting point and manages to set things up fairly well. It wasn't Episode I that failed, it was the followups. To be honest, outside of LEGO, the prequels don't exist in my world. Well, almost. I still love the soundtrack to Episode I, which was also the best of the prequel soundtracks, bar none. I may reply in more detail later. Quote
yellost Posted September 14, 2007 Posted September 14, 2007 What's interesting to notice in episode one is that it's just a summary of the whole OT : -little nobody hero coming from nowhere to a big issue conlict (I don't think we can consider it galaxywide, though, since it's only one planet) ---> Luke on Tatooine/Anakin on Tatooine... -Death of the mentor figure by the bad guy ---> Qui-Gon by Darth Maul/Obi-Wan by Darth Vader... -Big space Battle with a nice explosion of the battle station at the end destroyed by a single hotshot pilot (AND BY TWO TORPEDOES SHOT INSIDE!!) ---> Federation Control ship/Death Star... Ground battle between a "primitive" species against a Superior force both in firepower and technology but they still manage to win ---> Gungan-droids/Ewok-Stormtroopers... -Incredibly fast race ---> Podrace on Tatooine/speederbike chase on Endor... But at least, in the OT, George Lucas took 3 films to tell his story and thus get into all the characters to give them the depth we all know and love... In Episode I, he tries to put too much at once and we can only get a taste of what it could be... But, Episode I did give us Darth Maul. Him alone just makes the whole film all his worth... Unfortunately, we don't know or see enough of him... (even in the EU :'-( ) As for my best in the serie, it's got to be Empire Strikes Back. It has everything. Great visual effects which to my opinion haven't aged one single bit (I even find them way better than all those flashy CGI in the PT, somehow) and a real consistency in the story line that fleshes out both the many characters and the Star Wars universe. And of course, the best and most known ending in cinema history ;-) Quote
captaintau Posted September 15, 2007 Posted September 15, 2007 "Worst" is so negative. Surely its the "least brilliant?" Quote
casewindu Posted September 15, 2007 Posted September 15, 2007 My least favorite has to be attack of the clones. I went to see episode 1 when I was abut 7 and I really enjoyed it because it seemed more of a kids film than the others. But then episode two with its stupid anakin padme romance story was just stupid! :-X although I have to say yoda's fight and the battle of Geonosis where fantastic! X-D Quote
Zarkan Posted September 15, 2007 Author Posted September 15, 2007 But then episode two with its stupid anakin padme romance story was just stupid! To tell you the truth, I'm not bothered by romance in big franchises like Starwars and Spiderman at all. The romance scenes were not the problem to me, in fact they may have been the best scenes for Anikan, since in a lot of the rest he was just a whiny preschooler. :-| Quote
julencin2000 Posted September 15, 2007 Posted September 15, 2007 Of course Episode I is the worst. The explanation of "The Force" is awful: :-| :-/ :-X *n* Quote
phoinix Posted September 15, 2007 Posted September 15, 2007 the first one is terrible! they destroyed star wars with this one! it was like a video game! how long did that pod race take? felt like forever! second one is a bit more intresting the third one was a bit better but still bad the "birth" of vader was so stupid! "ok one day i go mad and kill them all and then be on the dark side!" No 4-5-6 are just perfect! (4 is my favorite) Quote
Asuka Posted September 15, 2007 Posted September 15, 2007 I dislike some of the illogical story plots of the prequels. Especially the character development of Anakin. He managed to get the money for the ship repair on Tatooine, he destroyed that control ship and rescued that whole planet of Naboo from occupancy.... and nobody felt grateful enough to relief his mother? No money, queen Amidala? Too poor, Jedi council? Was it so unclear to those wise people that it could Quote
SirNadroj Posted September 15, 2007 Posted September 15, 2007 Here's my short answer: Episode 1! DOWN WITH JAR JAR! *n* Quote
JINZONINGEN73 Posted September 15, 2007 Posted September 15, 2007 .... and nobody felt grateful enough to relief his mother? No money, queen Amidala? Too poor, Jedi council? Was it so unclear to those wise people that it could Quote
yellost Posted September 16, 2007 Posted September 16, 2007 Lucas, to british interviewers even said, "What American fans don't realize is that Star Wars is just a kid's movie". *wacko* But he still went for a PG13 for EpIII |-/ Quote
captaintau Posted September 16, 2007 Posted September 16, 2007 if I stand up to wipe and notice that one piece of excrement is unbroken, has a healthy shine, and of a good size compared to the others... it still is what it is. Exactly. This is Star Wars we're talking about, where even the least good is still better than 99% of any other movies. Quote
Siegfried Posted September 16, 2007 Posted September 16, 2007 "Worst" is so negative. Surely its the "least brilliant?" I agree. That implies that they all are bad, and one is badder. I think four are excellent, one is OK and one is not-OK. 1. Empire Strikes Back Brilliant movie. This is the movie that made Star Wars what it is today. I can watch this over and over again and still enjoy it. Han Solo works so well in this movie and it has AT-ATs in it. I still find the Luke-Leia kiss scene a bit sickly though. :-X 2. A New Hope For all its flaws, this still is a great movie. I still cry when I watch the sunset on Tatooine scene. :'-) The conference room scene will go down in movie history as one of the best and Alex Guiness as Obi-Wan is so crafty that he borders on being evil. Love it. 3. Attack of the Clones While a lot of this movie doesn't make sense, it has some of the best action scenes of the series. I love almost every scene that Jango appears in, with the exception being obvious. The CG design for the clone attack is excellent, and Yoda works very well. If the "love" scenes were removed I would probably give it second place. 4. The Phantom Menace The more I watch this the more I like it. I still find the Podrace scene overlly long, but the end fight scene is probably the best in the whole series. Jar Jar does suck, as does the space and land battle, but the performances of Liam Neeson and Ewan McGregor more than make up for it. Palpatine is great in this one. He is so subtle and it works very well. 5. Return of the Jedi Ewoks. Hate them. Super Star Destroyer with Star Destroyer escorts being destroyed by the rebels. Unbelievable. There is so much to pick on with this movie. What happens to the AT-AT on Endor? What is fighting Darth to do with becoming a Jedi? Why is Luke a Jedi in after only a week or so of training? Why are people happily looking at the Death Star exploding when the debris will devastate Endor? The concept that killing six scouts will ensure that their presence will remain a secret. *wacko* But it all pales in comparison to the lazy acting of Harrison Ford, and the unbelievable character of Leia. What happend to the her? Menapause? Aside from one scene (killing Jabba) she has turned into a girl. The only scene in this movie I love is the funeral of Darth. Gets me every time :'-( , probably because it uses almost the same music as the sunset on Tatooine scene! 6. Revenge of the Sith I waited for years for this movie, and it was almost a complete disappointment. I didn't even like the opening CG. Grievous for example; why the silly cough? Supposedly the reason for it is George came in with a cold one day and thougth it would be cool to include. Don't believe me? Read here towards the bottom. I was so looking forward to him and I was so disapointed. I did like some of the character animation of Grievous, and I thought the death of the Jedi montage was beautifuly done, but that is about all that I can say that I like about the movie. I dislike some of the illogical story plots of the prequels.Especially the character development of Anakin. Yes, I agree. Quote
trooperdavinfelth Posted September 16, 2007 Posted September 16, 2007 I slightly agree with Sinner on many issues, but here's my list: 1. Episode 4: I greatly enjoy this one because of how it introduces so many characters with so many back stories and it has a great beginning. 2. Episode 2: This movie is by far one of the greatest because of the great lines that Temuera Morrison got into Jango. Believe me, the one scene in this movie and in the entire trilogy that makes me sad(sad as in :'-( ) is Jango's death and Boba picking up the helmet. Although I somewhat like the look that Mace does after he kills him. It's kind of the moment of regret and realization that Jango was a father and the son had no parents and that he just orphaned a boy, but he still stayed hard on it. That's why I love Sam Jackson's acting the part of Master Windu. And I agree with Sinner that were the love scenes at least reduced somewhat this movie would have made it to the top. They take up more than half of the damn movie! All you need is some time on Naboo like the Shaak scene and the wedding scene and that's it. Come on, George! Are you going romantic? 3. Episode 5: Like Sinner said, this movie is a good one because it tells the viewer how vast the Empire's might is and how much firepower they have and they can produce. The Battle of Hoth is one of the best battle scenes in the trilogy, IMHO. But the Han-Leia scene was freaky. Some romance scenes are ok, most are so-so, and some are terrible. This one was terrible. The rest of the movie, however gets an A plus! 4. Episode 3: I like this movie more than Sinner, because the clone action just gets the better of me every single time! There is plenty of great music, and believe me! John Williams outdid himself this time! There are also plenty of somewhat moving scenes, like for instance, Zett Jukassa's last stand, the younglings, Yoda's moment and his stick dropping on Kashyyyk, and so much more. The music really puts the feel into the movie. The one scene I can't stand, but I somehow enjoy, *wacko* , is Mace Windu's Grand Finale. Many have said it, and I am echoing their voices. 5. Episode 6: This movie was a little under the weather, and I agree with Sinner 100% about it. I liked it but for the everlasting Ewoks! And for the simple death of a Super Star Destroyer. Vader's pyre gets to me every time, but I do however like Jedi Rocks, i.e., the Special Edition Band Song! 6. Episode 1: I totally concur with Sinner about this movie. Nuff' said. Plus, I agree with Captain Tau about Worst movie, but least brilliant instead. Quote
JoeMI6 Posted September 16, 2007 Posted September 16, 2007 For me, it's between Episode 1 and 2. But even then, they are both good movies. I think George Lucas still achieved what he wanted to with the Star Wars saga, even with it's shortcomings. That is proven even more by its huge fanbase around the world. They are all fun, meaningful, great movies that everyone should enjoy watching, even if we have to endure the odd Jar Jar moment every now and again ;-) Quote
JINZONINGEN73 Posted September 17, 2007 Posted September 17, 2007 5. Return of the JediEwoks. Hate them. Super Star Destroyer with Star Destroyer escorts being destroyed by the rebels. Unbelievable. There is so much to pick on with this movie. What happens to the AT-AT on Endor? What is fighting Darth to do with becoming a Jedi? Why is Luke a Jedi in after only a week or so of training? Why are people happily looking at the Death Star exploding when the debris will devastate Endor? The concept that killing six scouts will ensure that their presence will remain a secret. *wacko* But it all pales in comparison to the lazy acting of Harrison Ford, and the unbelievable character of Leia. What happend to the her? Menapause? Aside from one scene (killing Jabba) she has turned into a girl. 6. Revenge of the Sith I waited for years for this movie, and it was almost a complete disappointment. I didn't even like the opening CG. Grievous for example; why the silly cough? Supposedly the reason for it is George came in with a cold one day and thougth it would be cool to include. Well with Jedi, it wasn't like Empire ended and a week later they went to go get Han... it's just assumed that a good deal of time has passed. I doubt the Death Star's destruction would impact Endor all that greatly. But yeah, one of my biggest problems, right on par with the Ewoks... is how all the main characters had changed. Their acting BLEW. It felt like they were tourists allowed on the movie set, or handed their scripts to read just 5 minutes before arrival. They'd made it big, and now they didn't give a rat's megablocks about putting in a good performance lol. With Sith... bah. C-3PO spitting out cute (annoying) catch phrases... he was like one of those electronic cursing keychains, except he was just saying mentally handicapped stuff. It was just a CGI programmer's hard-on, the whole movie. Sad that Clone Wars the cartoon was so entertaining (where Grievous got his cough, at the end) and yet the movie taking place immediately after was embarrassing. And why was Anakin turning bad? He did what to Padme? MAN was it executed poorly. Most undramatic. It's like, "Woah, wait, what? She's... DYING... from something?!?" Back to that Grievous thing... in the cartoon, he was one cool bastard. Then, as the Jedi chase him straight over into the movie, his voice now sounds like, well, stupid. Come on. A franchise as large as Star Wars? They can't handle SIMPLE continuity control? Preposterously lazy. Quote
Batbrick Posted September 17, 2007 Posted September 17, 2007 I'll say mine real quick and simple: Episode 1 and 2 are even. Reasons: Ep 1: Jar Jar, Kid actors, bad acting, bad writing. :-X x4 Ep 2: Horrible romance, whiny anakin, bad acting, bad writing, second half just mindless battles. :-X x4 I hate the both! >:-( >:-( >:-( >:-( >:-( Batbrick, a loyal OT fan ,Away! >:-) Quote
trooperdavinfelth Posted September 17, 2007 Posted September 17, 2007 Now that I read Batbrick and JoeM16's posts, I can only help but agree with them! You are both right! Quote
Siegfried Posted September 17, 2007 Posted September 17, 2007 Well with Jedi, it wasn't like Empire ended and a week later they went to go get Han... it's just assumed that a good deal of time has passed. Dunno. Supposedly a year has pastm but when Yoda and Luke meet in Jedi they act like they haven't seen each other since the last movie. Does Luke have time after making a new Saber and buying some new clothes? :-P I doubt the Death Star's destruction would impact Endor all that greatly. Ever read this? But yeah, one of my biggest problems, right on par with the Ewoks... is how all the main characters had changed.Their acting BLEW. It felt like they were tourists allowed on the movie set, or handed their scripts to read just 5 minutes before arrival. They'd made it big, and now they didn't give a rat's megablocks about putting in a good performance lol. I agree completely. The director, Richard Marquand, is to blame as well though. Back to that Grievous thing... in the cartoon, he was one cool bastard.Then, as the Jedi chase him straight over into the movie, his voice now sounds like, well, stupid. Yes, the cartoons are surprisingly good, especially the second lot. Quote
Siegfried Posted September 17, 2007 Posted September 17, 2007 Phew rant over, that's been building for a long time.... I feel better now X-D But it was such a good rant! :-P I agree 100% with everything you just said. 8- Quote
Vader Posted September 17, 2007 Posted September 17, 2007 But it was such a good rant! :-P I agree 100% with everything you just said. 8- Quote
xwingyoda Posted September 17, 2007 Posted September 17, 2007 Like Vad, I could rant forever and ever on: * the endless flaws of the PT * the crappy adds on of the OT (weird that *vader* left that untouched :-P ) Therefore I will have tos state my 2 worse SW movies: * in N Quote
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