Piratedave84 Posted July 30, 2015 Posted July 30, 2015 Okay. What about the other twelve people that've died? I imagine some of them had been investigated at some point. I didn't factor those in, true BUT I still think my math is sound or at least not far off. The town block would not have let us lunch a confirmed townie and the VIG would also not have killed confirmed town. The lack of a second kill (as Pudding just pointed out nothing tells us there's an SK at play here) tells us that Scum has been doing God knows what. The kills we saw are IMO all similar in that they target middle-fielders (as confirmed by the fact we know the VIG killed Kaupmad) so I'm lead to believe they are the work of the VIG/town block. I'm working blind here so I make my own conclusions based on what I see. Then based on what the town block tells us, my conclusions are subject to change but for now, I think here are ~3 unconfirmed people and Pudding has yet to contradict this so I think I'm on the right path.
Hinckley Posted July 30, 2015 Posted July 30, 2015 I'd say five, give or take. Assuming that all the claims are true. We haven't lost any PR to the Scum which is great. In the interest of protecting the identities of the PRs only the protector knows the identity of any of the other roles, except me. The protector obviously needs to know who to protect and we are pretty sure he is the reason there was no kill on Night Four. Either way, there are sometimes some missteps when the PRs don't know each other and in the interest of trust we haven't really coordinated NAs. I usually discuss targets with each PR and leave a list of possibilities that should avoid other PRs. That way nobody is paranoid about anyone's results being tampered with or manipulated. We're still in a good spot and the Town block is still strong but we shouldn't be over confident. We need to keep working and being vigilant to make sure we get the remaining Scum.
TrumpetKing Posted July 30, 2015 Posted July 30, 2015 Toki too: You made no objections yesterday when I explained that there could be as little as 5 uncleared individuals yesterday. I never said it was a given, I said it was a possibility. Considering how well planned our town block has been together, there's no reason it isn't a possibility. Following what I said yesterday, it is a completely reasonable thought to have only 3 people uncleared. Yes, it’s very convenient for you that I’ve fallen under suspicion, considering you were under a lot of scrutiny yesterday. Anyone else want to lynch Toki? I could say the same to you, no? You haven't been one to share many suspicions against me until I was brought up as a lynch candidate yesterday, if my memory serves correct. And I'm sure you want to lynch me. I'm your easiest case, and have already faced tons of scrutiny. I'm sure other people do too. But I'm not the one who got blocked on a night without a kill. How are you so sure that Danr wasn’t killed by the scum? Speaking of which, if Danr was killed by the scum, I would think Pudding-Head would have said something, especially since you're being brought up because of it. If Danr was killed by the scum, not only would the vig have had to have been unsuccessful, but the block on you wouldn't be as helpful of information, as Pudding-Head would have known the vigilante had been the unsuccessful killer.
Ranger of the Forest Posted July 30, 2015 Posted July 30, 2015 I could say the same to you, no? You haven't been one to share many suspicions against me until I was brought up as a lynch candidate yesterday, if my memory serves correct. And I'm sure you want to lynch me. I'm your easiest case, and have already faced tons of scrutiny. I'm sure other people do too. But I'm not the one who got blocked on a night without a kill. Speaking of which, if Danr was killed by the scum, I would think Pudding-Head would have said something, especially since you're being brought up because of it. If Danr was killed by the scum, not only would the vig have had to have been unsuccessful, but the block on you wouldn't be as helpful of information, as Pudding-Head would have known the vigilante had been the unsuccessful killer. I haven’t had the time to state a ton of suspicions for the past few weeks. I was the first one to vote for Cranebeinn, and I was clearly wrong about that. Whenever I voice new suspicions, they’re proven to be false. I clearly can’t trust my intuition, and thus I’ve been afraid to speak up for fear of becoming a target of ridicule. The only thing I’ve done right this whole time was refusing to jump onto Brand’s bandwagon because I didn’t think he was scum. But at least his death gave the town something to go on. Killing me won’t tell you anything, except that you were wrong and that I’m town. Weak case, I know, but what else can I say? There’s no way of you knowing that for yourselves unless you investigate me. Which likely won’t happen, because many of you seem deadset on lynching me, even though nothing I’ve said or done has mattered before today. I’m mostly frustrated that people are choosing to waste this day by focusing on me instead of on people who’ve actually done things worth talking about. I’m not in the town’s inner circle, I had no idea if our vig was still alive or what. The only thing I’m certain of right now is that I’m town. I’m willing to do whatever it takes to help the town. And if the rest of you think that my death will give some sort of clue to as to who the scum really are, then do what you must. As everyone’s pointed out, I haven’t participated much and have said nothing of value. My death won’t be that great of a loss to the town, even though I tried my best to be of service. I’m sorry.
MagPiesRUs Posted July 30, 2015 Author Posted July 30, 2015 You may now vote. With 11 players remaining, 6 votes are required to lynch. 46.5 hours remain in the day.
Hinckley Posted July 30, 2015 Posted July 30, 2015 instead of on people who’ve actually done things worth talking about. I cut out the appeal to emotion to focus on this snippet. Who has done things worth talking about, in your opinion?
Ranger of the Forest Posted July 30, 2015 Posted July 30, 2015 I cut out the appeal to emotion to focus on this snippet. Who has done things worth talking about, in your opinion? In addition to Toki, who’s already been called out for acting scummy, Lauga, Tarr, and Jafri have all been flying under the radar for a while and haven’t faced much scrutiny for it. And for someone who hasn’t been cleared either, Petr is acting very sure of himself, which strikes me as odd. I don’t really know who else has or hasn’t been cleared yet, so maybe I’m wrong. But there’s always a possibility of a godfather being on the list of those already cleared, since they show up as town when investigated, from my understanding. I think another possibility was that the scum targeted the person who was protected last night. I’m not asking for you to tell me who’s been cleared or not, since that would be immensely stupid, but you have to understand I’m working solely off of my own theories. I have no information outside of what I personally know, which is that I’m town, and what’s been said here.
Tariq j Posted July 30, 2015 Posted July 30, 2015 Okay, I literally have a matter of minutes to do this in so here goes, Toki, you've acted the most suspicious of everyone, I myself have been on a plane for the last 6 hours hence why I haven't been active. Vote: Toki (TrumpetKing)
TrumpetKing Posted July 30, 2015 Posted July 30, 2015 Vote: Ragnvald the Troll (Ranger of the Forest) You've been blocked on a night with a missing kill, and your responses not only don't really make much sense, but also feel like you are just grasping for straws. I feel as if you're our best option going forward.
Pandora Posted July 30, 2015 Posted July 30, 2015 Well from what Pudding told us yesterday, they have had 2 scum result and 3 town results so 3 confirmed. If there have been two scum results, I'd really love to know who the other one was so we can lynch them. As I understand it, only Dar was investigated as scum, and we lynched him already. Either of Ragnvald or Toki could be scum, and I'd be happy to lynch either of them. I voted for Toki yesterday so I'll continue with that. Should I need to switch to Ragnvald to gain a lynch then I'll be happy to do so. Vote: Toki (Trumpetking)
CMP Posted July 30, 2015 Posted July 30, 2015 Vote: Ragnvald (Ranger of the Forest). These results haven't failed us yet.
Hinckley Posted July 30, 2015 Posted July 30, 2015 I have suddenly become very busy so I need to at least place a vote. I'll vote Toki (TrumpetKing) for all the Scumminess I've been quite vocal about. Sorry I don't have more to offer at the moment. I too will switch to Ragnvald if we need to get a lynch... Damn it all. vote: Toki (Trumpetking)
Lady K Posted July 31, 2015 Posted July 31, 2015 Ragnvald has been very suspicious from the beginning with the way he has voted on Day 1 and Day 2. Since then he roles in very late in the voting day to cast a vote with no original thoughts to add to his vote. However, Toki has been more under the radar than usual, not just less posts nor less (if any) new thoughts to add, but in less aggression towards who he finds suspicious. Maybe I am just metagaming here but I know where to cast my vote. Vote: Toki (Trumpetking) I will switch to Ragnvald if that is the direction the lynch is heading.
Ranger of the Forest Posted July 31, 2015 Posted July 31, 2015 Vote: Toki (Trumpetking) You’ve been on my radar for longer than day 5, but what you’ve said both yesterday and today has strengthened my belief that you are indeed scum.
Lady K Posted July 31, 2015 Posted July 31, 2015 Ragnvald has been very suspicious from the beginning with the way he has voted on Day 1 and Day 2. Since then he roles in very late in the voting day to cast a vote with no original thoughts to add to his vote. However, Toki has been more under the radar than usual, not just less posts nor less (if any) new thoughts to add, but in less aggression towards who he finds suspicious. Maybe I am just metagaming here but I know where to cast my vote. Vote: Toki (Trumpetking) I will switch to Ragnvald if that is the direction the lynch is heading. Vote: Toki (Trumpetking) You’ve been on my radar for longer than day 5, but what you’ve said both yesterday and today has strengthened my belief that you are indeed scum. And this is a fine example of the point I was making. Except the timing is earlier in the voting day, but he is still near the end of the needed required number of votes. For now I will keep my vote where it is, but I am open to changing it.
Adam Posted July 31, 2015 Posted July 31, 2015 I didn’t even know I was the hammer vote until after I had voted. And as for Cranebeinn, I think Jarl used me as a platform to voice his “suspicions” against Cranebeinn. I’ll readily admit that I was mistaken about his being a viable lynch candidate Can you elaborate on this? I'm not entirely sure what you mean about Jarl using you as a platform to attack Cranebeinn. It looks like it's in vogue to vote for Toki and say that you're open to switching your vote to Ragnvald if "that's the way the lynch is heading." I definitely see where people are coming from with their attacks on Toki, but I personally believe that the combination of night results and "general scumminess" is more damning than just "general scumminess." That's why I'm going to... Vote: Ragnvald the Troll (Ranger of the Forest) By the way Ragnvald, you mentioned that what Toki has said today and yesterday has inspired your vote for him. What exactly has he said today which strikes you as suspicious?
Ranger of the Forest Posted July 31, 2015 Posted July 31, 2015 Can you elaborate on this? I'm not entirely sure what you mean about Jarl using you as a platform to attack Cranebeinn. It looks like it's in vogue to vote for Toki and say that you're open to switching your vote to Ragnvald if "that's the way the lynch is heading." I definitely see where people are coming from with their attacks on Toki, but I personally believe that the combination of night results and "general scumminess" is more damning than just "general scumminess." That's why I'm going to... Vote: Ragnvald the Troll (Ranger of the Forest) By the way Ragnvald, you mentioned that what Toki has said today and yesterday has inspired your vote for him. What exactly has he said today which strikes you as suspicious? Meaning I was one of the first to voice suspicions against Cranebeinn, and Jarl used some of the things I said to support his case against him as well. Even though Jarl’s dead now, I’ve taken a lot of flack for supporting a lynch against Cranebeinn along with him. Even though I wasn’t the only one who supported his lynch early on, I get most of the blame for voting for him. The fact that after Toki says he’ll place more trust in the town block, he reacts very poorly to the leader of the town block pointing out his faulty numbers of people who’ve been cleared. There was no need for him to become so defensive about that. Just accept that you weren’t right and move on. Quibbling over numbers seems counterproductive to catching scum. Petr has fallen prey to that as well.
Hinckley Posted July 31, 2015 Posted July 31, 2015 You made no objections yesterday when I explained that there could be as little as 5 uncleared individuals yesterday. I never said it was a given, I said it was a possibility. Considering how well planned our town block has been together, there's no reason it isn't a possibility. Following what I said yesterday, it is a completely reasonable thought to have only 3 people uncleared. This confuses me greatly. What am I supposed to say when you say there could be as little as 5 uncleared individuals? I haven't had as much time to be hyper as I have been in previous games despite posting the most out of anyone every day, I think. What you said here bugs me and bugs me but I can't pinpoint why. Besides, I wasn't saying you were Scum because you and Dave said the same thing, rather I suddenly am more suspicious of Dave. Why can't I think it's weird that you both say the same thing without commenting on your arbitrary comment, or rather fishing for who has been cleared? If I thought anything of it when you said it I thought it was something I wouldn't respond to or be drawn into as the people who need to know who has been cleared are the ones that know...or so I thought. I probably could've told more people about who had been cleared, but that's a different story for a different day and the moral is it's possible to be too careful too. megablocking aggravating! ... Sorry. Anyway, the point is that you are Scummy. However, members of the Town block seem to think lynching Ragnvald is a better use of our Night Actions and we will deal with Toki later. I will unvote: Toki (TrumpetKing) so we can keep our options open and discuss it further. Part of me just wants to reveal everything so I don't have so much work behind the scenes. Poor poor me. Meaning I was one of the first to voice suspicions against Cranebeinn, and Jarl used some of the things I said to support his case against him as well. Even though Jarl’s dead now, I’ve taken a lot of flack for supporting a lynch against Cranebeinn along with him. Even though I wasn’t the only one who supported his lynch early on, I get most of the blame for voting for him. The fact that after Toki says he’ll place more trust in the town block, he reacts very poorly to the leader of the town block pointing out his faulty numbers of people who’ve been cleared. There was no need for him to become so defensive about that. Just accept that you weren’t right and move on. Quibbling over numbers seems counterproductive to catching scum. Petr has fallen prey to that as well. I agree with you about Toki's weird reaction but in regards to you, I don't see where you're "getting most of the blame" for voting for Cranebeinn. Who says Cranebeinn is even in the clear? He was really Scummy the first couple of days and we continue to monitor him. Why do you think he's cleared and thinking he was a lynch candidate such a horrible thing?
Ranger of the Forest Posted July 31, 2015 Posted July 31, 2015 I agree with you about Toki's weird reaction but in regards to you, I don't see where you're "getting most of the blame" for voting for Cranebeinn. Who says Cranebeinn is even in the clear? He was really Scummy the first couple of days and we continue to monitor him. Why do you think he's cleared and thinking he was a lynch candidate such a horrible thing? From everyone who uses the fact that I voted for him both day 1 and 2 like Jarl did. I don’t think he’s in the clear, I’ve said so before, but voicing suspicions against Cranebeinn at this point doesn’t seem productive. One of the most prominent reasons people have been suspicious of me is because I was such a strong promoter of the Cranebeinn lynch. Supporting that wouldn’t help me or the rest of the town unless something concrete against him came up. I fail to see what lynching me will do for the town as a whole. I know I’m not scum, even if you don’t. What do you have to go on from lynching me when I turn up town the next day? Unless I was actually scum like many of you think, lynching me accomplishes very little. I’m probably not doing myself any favors with this, so I’ll stop talking for the present.
Tariq j Posted July 31, 2015 Posted July 31, 2015 Like pudding head I still don't get the "I'm getting the blame" issue, I voted for Cranbeinn (as did about four others) it was only until Jarl basically gave away he was scum when everyone changed their votes. In any. Case, telling us "I know I'm not scum" isn't a good way to support your case, it's exactly what Dar said yesterday and look what he turned out to be.
MagPiesRUs Posted July 31, 2015 Author Posted July 31, 2015 Vote Count Toki (TrumpetKing): 4 votes (Tariq j, Pandora, Lady K, RangeroftheForest) Ragnvald the Troll (RangeroftheForest): 3 votes (TrumpetKing, CallMePie, Adam) No Vote: 4 (Hinckley, Chromeknight, Piratedave, Jackjonespaw) With 11 players remaining, 6 votes are required to lynch. 28 hours remain in the day.
Ranger of the Forest Posted July 31, 2015 Posted July 31, 2015 Like pudding head I still don't get the "I'm getting the blame" issue, I voted for Cranbeinn (as did about four others) it was only until Jarl basically gave away he was scum when everyone changed their votes. In any. Case, telling us "I know I'm not scum" isn't a good way to support your case, it's exactly what Dar said yesterday and look what he turned out to be. Yeah, but no one's saying that they're suspicious of you or anyone else who voted for Cranebeinn for that reason. I know it isn't a good case, but what else can I say? I have no way to prove that I'm town unless I break the rules and quote my role pm.
Chromeknight Posted July 31, 2015 Posted July 31, 2015 Yeah. Wow. Something's stinky. See, I'd think that the way the votes have gone looks like scum manipulating a no lynch to save a buddy. But there can't be that many scum left and I'm not sure which one is the buddy who is being saved. I get that I'm not fully trusted, though I think Jarl's gunning for me before he himself was lynched should suggest my innocence, but there seems to be an excess of paranoia floating around. Any case, to the matter at hand. Vote: Ragnvald the Troll (Ranger of the Forest) You've been blocked on a night with a missing kill, and your responses not only don't really make much sense, but also feel like you are just grasping for straws. I feel as if you're our best option going forward. See, Toki got blocked night 3. There were still two kills that night. We've never seen three kills in a night, so, as pudding points out that likely means there is no SK (or the claimed vig is an SK and there is no vig). Last night there was only one kill, a kill that apparently comes from the vig. The best way to test this is to lynch Ragnvald. If he comes up town, the kill bounced off the doc's protection (poor scum. Thats been happening a bit!) or the scum have been doing something else at night other than killing. Ragnvald is, I think, the best case today. Vote: Ragnvald the Troll (Ranger of the Forest)
Tariq j Posted July 31, 2015 Posted July 31, 2015 " "See, Toki got blocked night 3. There were still two kills that night. We've never seen three kills in a night, so, as pudding points out that likely means there is no SK (or the claimed vig is an SK and there is no vig). Last night there was only one kill, a kill that apparently comes from the vig. The best way to test this is to lynch Ragnvald." Well, if it really was the vig who made the kill I can't argue with that, Unvote: Toki (Trumpetking) Vote: Ragnvald (Ranger of the forest)
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