Ragnarök Now 3: Day Three

[Duvors]

For now that is private.

I'm sure you can guess.

No, I can't.

[CMP]

Okay...

So....what were you trying to accomplish with your unvote if Mist has somehow managed to convince you she's town?

[Tariq j]

Sorry, but for now my reasons are private.

Private how , if you've found some valuable evidence then you as may as well share it with the rest of us.

[Dragonfire]

Lodmund, I find your unvote suspicious, mainly because you're refusing to give reasons for why you think Mist is town. I'm also intrigued about the fact that both you and Pudding seem intent on talking about"private" matters in public. If you want to keep things private, we have a whole PM system...

[Duvors]

Lodmund, I find your unvote suspicious, mainly because you're refusing to give reasons for why you think Mist is town. I'm also intrigued about the fact that both you and Pudding seem intent on talking about"private" matters in public. If you want to keep things private, we have a whole PM system...

Yes, we're using it now.

[Hinckley]

Yes, we're using it now.

I'm using it. You're refusing to answer legitimate concerns. True, I'm not answering yours but which one of us would rather be asked our corresponding questions in public? I have no problem having our conversation here.

[Duvors]

I'm using it. You're refusing to answer legitimate concerns. True, I'm not answering yours but which one of us would rather be asked our corresponding questions in public? I have no problem having our conversation here.

Well I for one feel that until the next day at least the information we are conversing about should be kept private.

[Hinckley]

Well I for one feel that until the next day at least the information we are conversing about should be kept private.

I don't agree but I'm waiting to hear from others before deciding what to reveal.

[mostlytechnic]

I'm trying to think of what on earth could make you unvote someone who CONFESSED to being scum! The only possible thing I've come up with is that Mist is a jester.

[Mencot]

I don't really have any much more to say. You have decided to lynch me and that decision was made before I said I was scum.

And those decisions were based on the fact that there had not been any kill and I was blocked.

But with the info as Hinck the Puddle came forwards with, we can see that scum possibly has to give up the kill ability to recruit for that night they try that.

But you have made your decisions.

And actually some people contacted me, claiming but I won't say anything right now.

[mostlytechnic]

Ok, so are you scum or not? And if not, why would you claim scum?

[Tamamono]

I don't really have any much more to say. You have decided to lynch me and that decision was made before I said I was scum.

And those decisions were based on the fact that there had not been any kill and I was blocked.

But with the info as Hinck the Puddle came forwards with, we can see that scum possibly has to give up the kill ability to recruit for that night they try that.

But you have made your decisions.

And actually some people contacted me, claiming but I won't say anything right now.

Didn't you claim to be scum??

[Dannylonglegs]

Ok, so are you scum or not? And if not, why would you claim scum?

She's clearly scum. She's not denying it! Jester is the only other thing she could possibly be.

[Hinckley]

I think it's best to reveal everything today but I need to hear from my original source first.

Also, I don't think Lodmund has a great reason for unvoting Mist. I know he isn't dumb, so I'm leaning towards Scum on him.

[mostlytechnic]

But really, would a scum try to swing things this late? It's one thing to defend a fellow scum when the wagon is building, but after it's basically a unanimous vote and the scummo has confessed? Just can't see it... Not sure whether Lodmund is a very very desperate scum or too easily persuaded townie who fell for a scum trick.

[Duvors]

You know what? I've decided that holding back information won't help our cause. When jluck outed himself on day two I contacted him and claimed traitor. also contacted Agnar and she said that she was going to do the same. I was then forwarded by jluck to a scum writeboard where this happened;

Scum one: hey duvors r u rly te traitor or sre you just lyign to us? if u r then u can join us now :):):):):):):):)

number two: so currently, we believe your traitor claim and plan to recall you to our team in short notice. however, you need to convince us that you're not a lying townie. speak up, please!

Me: And how am I to do this exactly? You have only my word for anything I say you know.

number two: well, you can tell us what tpru said to you in your role pm. for example, what word did he use to describe your role - was it "traitor" or something else? and what exactly did he tell you would happen with us recruiting you - what would you have to do to get recruited?

Me: He did indeed call the role traitor, and said I would have to find and contact the corrupted to be recruited, I'm paraphrasing of corse.

princess consuela: How can we trust are true? Do you have any information to share here that can verify you with us?

Me: What information canI possibly have?

scummo:seems legit, maybe you are telling the truth

Princess consuela...: Share whatever you think is pertinent

Me: Okay, tell me, have you been contacted by Agnar Skull-crusher?

Mafioso: Yes. Have you, and what did she say?

Me: I spoke to her earlier, and she said that she was thinking of contacting you and claiming traitor to, and I quote, 'make them waste a night acton on me'.

It was at this point that Mist claimed scum and asked for traitor claimants, I was confused. The scum already had at least two people claiming traitor on them, why would they ask for more? I voted for Mist, and then I contacted her and asked if this was all for real. Mist said yes, and asked if I was the traitor. This didn't make sense, as it seemed to show that she was unaware of my conversation with the scum up to this point, so I went back to the writeboard;

Me: Is Mencot for real? Seriously? Because if so this is utterly ridiculous.

Mafioso: However real Mencot is or isin't, it's clear now that YOU'RE not for real! Have fun plotting with the town, we can't trust you anymore. You should have told Hinck not to mention your name in-thread so you could carry on with your sting.

Me: Huh? What? I havn't been in contact with Pudding head, what the hell?

I was confused and without stopping to think I decided to go with my doubts about Mist and retract my vote. But now I'm less certain about this, the way Mist has been acting seems perfectly in line with the weird and contradictory way the scum have been behaving, I'm just going to let it stew for now.

Now as for traitors, I have already said that I don't think there is a traitor in the game, and either the scum are confused or they're just taking advantage of a stupid conversation to troll us.

On second thoughts, I'm not going to sit on this, you're right, I'm being a idiot.

Vote: Mist (Mencot)

[Hinckley]

[Duvors]

I sympathize with you man.

[Hinckley]

So, Lodmund, I know all of this because Agnar told me. I mentioned him to the Scum too. Why did they bristle at me mentioning your name in-thread and not his name from both of us, I don't know. What I'm still confused about with your actions is that for one thing; You would contact Mist to find out why the Scum still needed contacts. What does it matter what they were doing and why would you think the Scum would tell you the truth? Secondly; You would jump to the conclusion that Mist doesn't know about the writeboard when he asked if you were the traitor. Why wouldn't he ask that question even having the writeboard? Even if Mist was clearer than normal and had said something definitive (Because asking if you're the traitor is ambiguous to any reference to the writeboard) why would you believe what is coming out of his mouth at this point. Was this the only thing that was said by Mist that caused you to un-vote him?

[Duvors]

Yes, it was , and that's why I re-voted him. I was actually more interested in finding out weather he was really scum than in why the scum would still be looking for a traitor.

[Dragonfire]

I agree. There's still time in the day left to turn the vote, so some evidence and reasons would be nice to have. Or can Mist speak up as well?

This almost sounds like you're advocating for an unvote of Mist...

You know what? I've decided that holding back information won't help our cause. When jluck outed himself on day two I contacted him and claimed traitor. also contacted Agnar and she said that she was going to do the same. I was then forwarded by jluck to a scum writeboard where this happened;

Wait wait wait. You expect me to believe that you, Agnar and Pudding all independently fake-claimed traitor to the scum and talked to them on writeboards??? Sounds too strange to be true...

It was at this point that Mist claimed scum and asked for traitor claimants, I was confused. The scum already had at least two people claiming traitor on them, why would they ask for more?

From what you have told us of the conversation, it sounds like the scum cottoned on to your fake-claim. Maybe they have realised that all the traitor claims so far are fake and they are still trying to find the traitor... however, I think by now the traitor, if there is one, would probably be in contact with the scum at this point.

[Pandora]

is what pretty much sums it all up for me. This day has turned down weird street heading for crazyville.

Well I for one feel that until the next day at least the information we are conversing about should be kept private.

Now that we have this information, why did you feel revealing it should wait until tomorrow?

Also, I don't think Lodmund has a great reason for unvoting Mist. I know he isn't dumb, so I'm leaning towards Scum on him.

(Emphasis added by me)

How do you know he's not dumb? No offence meant to Lodmund, but he's certainly seemed a bit dumb so far. He apparently completely missed everything to do with "the blocker" yesterday and appeared unable to present his own opinions. Dumb does not automatically mean not scum, of course.

Mafioso: However real Mencot is or isin't, it's clear now that YOU'RE not for real! Have fun plotting with the town, we can't trust you anymore. You should have told Hinck not to mention your name in-thread so you could carry on with your sting.

Me: Huh? What? I havn't been in contact with Pudding head, what the hell?

(Again, emphasis added by me)

I get that you are apparently reporting a conversation with the scum, so everything should be taken with a pinch of salt, but I looked back and couldn't see where Pudding had mentioned your name in the thread between Mist asking for traitor candidates and this point in the conversation where you apparently doubted her to be scum and unvoted her. Do you have any idea what they mean?

[Tariq j]

This information has me confused as anything. But in any case I can't see, irrespective of whether the conversation is real or not, how this changes anything, aside from making Mist look more scummy than before. I'd be interested to hear why you wanted to release this information tomorrow as well.

[Lady K]

This whole crazy confusing 'claiming to the scum' thing just feels like there are two scum teams instead of just one, and each thinks they are the only one.

[Tamamono]

This whole crazy confusing 'claiming to the scum' thing just feels like there are two scum teams instead of just one, and each thinks they are the only one.

Let us pray that is not the case...