Mencot Posted July 12, 2015 Posted July 12, 2015 *this post written with no consultation with puddinghead. PS. Mist, what you're doing is called fishing. If I'm gonna go down for doing it, you can have a mark against your name too. what are you talking about? If I wanna know why Lauga means there is traitors isn't a bad thing. Because if there are in this game, they are scum and I try to help finding them.
Tariq j Posted July 12, 2015 Posted July 12, 2015 So. Let's thresh this out. Assume I'm lynched (I know it's not a lock yet, but the votes are running that way) Assume you see three kills tonight rather than two (scum, vig and SK) Assume I flip town and three other town drop too. Who are you going to go hunting for? Perhaps the person I originally called out at the start of the day, the quiet and unconvincing Tarr? A pair of scummy bandwagony voters in Jafri and Ragnvald? Kaupmad's clumsy attempt to drop me in cack over a couple of lines to him and Patrekr appended to an already existing thread? Jarl's continuing overstating of a weak case, boosting such ideas as 'town don't defend town' and 'oops I forgot the SK' (aside does that mean he knows my dear dead dad Patreka's murder was the scum?!). To say 'I'm the only suspect' and 'oh well, don't need to read to closely' betrays a shocking laziness on the part of town and losing four by tomorrow morn will be the reward you reap. As for 'he only brought up the blocker stuff because votes were on him', that's Megablocks. Bringing info to the town was what got people turning against me. Anyway. For the reasons mentioned above, I'm ready to cast a blade. Vote: Jarl Name-Loser (jluck) But I think,once again, you're taking this "what if" route, maybe this might happen, maybe that might happen, maybe player x might be town maybe he won't be. Assuming what could happen is very vague there are many possibilities.
Chromeknight Posted July 12, 2015 Posted July 12, 2015 Have a look again. There aren't that many assumptions. I'm town. Scum aren't going to kill scum, the SK is likely shooting blind and doesn't care if he hits scum or town. So your best result Is 3-1. And that if the vig can pick a scum. There aren't many possibilities and you're a smart guy, you can think them through. Don't obfusticate and fluff. Analyse and plan.
Dragonfire Posted July 12, 2015 Posted July 12, 2015 Unvote: Cranebeinn the Redder (Chromeknight). The discrepancies between these arguments trouble me. Too similar to the commotion on Day One which resulted in a townie lynch. Campaigning for your lynch? That's a major stretch of the truth. To Tarben], I voiced a slight suspicion. I didn't even suggest you as a lynch. I voiced a slight worry about your behavior. I didn't even say you were guaranteed scum. I got the same response you did, that being either you or myself is scum. Now you're just putting words into my mouth. Tarden, this is back on you now. You made it sound in private like he was trying to convince you I was Scum. Was it just a slight mention of a tiny suspicion like he says and where did your idea that we can't be on the same side come from? I wouldn't say it was only a slight mention. He basically said, hey, I think Pudding is scum, and when I voiced my ambivalence he made the same case he's making now. Tarben, it wasn't much of a slight mention in the sense that I asked you about your thoughts on Pudding-Head. The focus of that discussion was most definitely on our thoughts on Pudding-Head. However, I don't recall saying I was set on him being scum, nor did I think it was because he said I had a fluffy post. I expressed a slight concern as for the mention of my original non-vote yesterday, as I wouldn't put it past a traitorous Pudding-Head to set up that framework for a potential suspect. This clearly was blown out of proportion as you decided to relay that to Pudding-Head. It looks like either Tarben exaggerated what Toki said in private when he told Pudding, or that Toki is understating what he told Tarben in PM. Then there was the short post of Pudding unvoting Crane. Until that, I was 100% planning to vote crane for the reasons I did so yesterday and his actions today. However, I do also think the Pudding is most likely loyal, so if he thinks there's a reason to keep Crane alive, I'll hold off that vote for now. Hopefully he can explain further before the end of the day. (my gut is that maybe Crane claimed to Pudding that he's the blocker, since I can't really wrap my head around someone claiming to Crane, and it's certainly not unheard of for people to claim they're speaking for someone else when it's really their own role they're reporting. ) This is also fishing. I can think of several people who are deserving of a vote right now. Mist has been on my scumdar for a while now (I believe I expressed my reasons yesterday), Jarl is making incessant contradictions and is scumming the place up; Kaupmad's earlier comment really pinged me and almost deserves a vote just for that; and others are making me uneasy. I'm going to hold my vote for now and see what happens.
CMP Posted July 12, 2015 Posted July 12, 2015 I'm going to Vote: Jarl Name-Loser (jluck). Mostly for this. Ok, first imo I think this puts Tarben in a very positive light. I know the fact that he voted and then changed has been well documented, but this was just the 4th vote placed yesterday. Also, he blatantly called Lambi scum. It seems to me that if we're a scum teammate, he wouldn't have been so harsh so early when the lynch was yet to be determined. Also, he didn't know Lambi would be killed on night one so he would have had very little to gain with such a strong accusation if he were scum. I know I'm making assumptions with this, and remember this is simply my opinion, but that's the way I currently see things. Others have stated how unwise it is to bring up townreads in public. And it is....but this isn't much of a townread. It's more pointing out a glaringly obvious connection and then immediately seeing Tarben in a 'very positive light'. That's very, very naive. I've seen crazier scum plots. By 'scum plot' I'm referring to the possibility of Tarben outing Lambi and then the scum killing Lambi to get Tarben credibility. I'm not incredibly suspicious of Tarben (anymore) but it's still a possibility. Tarben seemed pretty sure of Lambi on Day One. Also, he didn't know Lambi would be killed on night one so he would have had very little to gain with such a strong accusation if he were scum. Something Jarl clearly hasn't considered.
MagPiesRUs Posted July 12, 2015 Author Posted July 12, 2015 Vote Count Cranebeinn the Redder (Chromeknight): 6 votes (jluck, Tariq j, KingoftheZempk, Mencot, Jackjonespaw, RangeroftheForest) Jarl Name-Loser (jluck): 5 votes (Pandora, Adam, Hinckley, Chromeknight, CallMePie) Munud the Strange(mostlytechnic): 1 vote (Tamamono) Pudding-Head (Hinckley): 1 vote (Trumpetking) Mist (Mencot): 1 vote (Lady K) Dagstyrr the Fool (Darkdragon): 1 vote (mostlytechnic) No Vote: 5 (Dannylonglegs, Darkdragon, Piratedave, Lord Duvors, Dragonfire) 11 votes are required to lynch. 15 hours remain in the day. NOTE: Proxy votes are now allowed. You may give your proxy vote to a player in the following format: Proxy: Character (Player). Doing so will gift your vote to the player of your choice, effectively giving them an extra vote. You may retract your proxy in the following format: Unproxy: Character (Player).
Lady K Posted July 12, 2015 Posted July 12, 2015 so you are going to continue your quest against me, are you? Oh well, if you wanna. But what is this talk about "scum or traitors"? I thought there was just loyal and scum and neutral in this game... So where have you gotten that from? From the Brand discussion yesterday or what? I don't have a quest against you, but your behavior is much stranger than what is normal for you. Traitors are always a possibility in any game, your behavior seems to me like either a really, really bad townie who is trying harder than usual to not help town in any way or that of a traitor who is acting like a really bad townie to get the scum teams attention so you can join them. Either way you are using your past behavior to slide way under the radar. what are you talking about? If I wanna know why Lauga means there is traitors isn't a bad thing. Because if there are in this game, they are scum and I try to help finding them. Why so concerned about me bringing up you as a traitor to cause you to PM someone fishing for information? Just ask outright in the thread for all of us to see. And what exactly are you doing to help find scum?
Dragonfire Posted July 12, 2015 Posted July 12, 2015 what are you talking about? If I wanna know why Lauga means there is traitors isn't a bad thing. Because if there are in this game, they are scum and I try to help finding them. Where has Lauga ever said that? You're just twisting her words now. Look, you know what? Vote: Mist (Mencot). Your behaviour aggravates me. By 'scum plot' I'm referring to the possibility of Tarben outing Lambi and then the scum killing Lambi to get Tarben credibility. I'm not incredibly suspicious of Tarben (anymore) but it's still a possibility. Tarben seemed pretty sure of Lambi on Day One. I doubt that scum can night-kill other scum, but then again, I've never been scum, so I don't know.
Mencot Posted July 12, 2015 Posted July 12, 2015 Mist is our best case for today. Go back and look at everything she said, it's really full of nothing and several times ended with a re-direction off her completely. For Dag the DragonD*** or what his name is! I feel that Mist is currently our best candidate. She has had two slip of the tongue posts and defended someone else day 1. Today she has made no useful contributions and seems to be hiding behind previous behaviors to stay under the radar. I am getting a strong scum read on her (scum or traitor). So I will: Vote: Mist (Mencot)
Hinckley Posted July 12, 2015 Posted July 12, 2015 For Dag the DragonD*** or what his name is! Are you having some kind of fit?
Dragonfire Posted July 12, 2015 Posted July 12, 2015 For Dag the DragonD*** or what his name is! You can't even spell my name. It's 3 letters and 1 syllable long, and you still can't spell it Mist, here you are essentially accusing Lauga of saying that traitors are not a bad thing: what are you talking about? If I wanna know why Lauga means there is traitors isn't a bad thing. Because if there are in this game, they are scum and I try to help finding them. But what Lauga said was this: I feel that Mist is currently our best candidate. She has had two slip of the tongue posts and defended someone else day 1. Today she has made no useful contributions and seems to be hiding behind previous behaviors to stay under the radar. I am getting a strong scum read on her (scum or traitor). How did you come to the conclusion that Lauga thinks traitors aren't a bad thing? You're putting words in her mouth here. Scum.
Hinckley Posted July 12, 2015 Posted July 12, 2015 How did you come to the conclusion that Lauga thinks traitors aren't a bad thing? You're putting words in her mouth here. Scum. Mist is beyond her normal cuckoo-pants and acting really Scummy, agreed. To actually lunch someone who isn't Cranebeinn, I suggest we focus on either Jarl or Mist.
Tariq j Posted July 12, 2015 Posted July 12, 2015 Have a look again. There aren't that many assumptions. I'm town. Scum aren't going to kill scum, the SK is likely shooting blind and doesn't care if he hits scum or town. So your best result Is 3-1. And that if the vig can pick a scum. There aren't many possibilities and you're a smart guy, you can think them through. Don't obfusticate and fluff. Analyse and plan. Unvote: Crabeinn the Redder I won't lie your behavior was odd, yet looking back I was overreacting slightly and there is something about you that gives off a towny vibe. Anyway, Jarl, aside from the fact I haven't seen much of you on here, dare I say it, you're sounding a bit like Brand from Day One, suspicious Behavior, odd posts. Vote: Jarl Name-Loser (jluck)
Hinckley Posted July 12, 2015 Posted July 12, 2015 Anyway, Jarl, aside from the fact I haven't seen much of you on here, dare I say it, you're sounding a bit like Brand from Day One, suspicious Behavior, odd posts. This is really disturbing. You do remember the part where Brand was Loyal, right?
Mencot Posted July 12, 2015 Posted July 12, 2015 You can't even spell my name. It's 3 letters and 1 syllable long, and you still can't spell it Do you actually think I would remember your name You can't even spell my name. It's 3 letters and 1 syllable long, and you still can't spell it Mist, here you are essentially accusing Lauga of saying that traitors are not a bad thing: But what Lauga said was this: How did you come to the conclusion that Lauga thinks traitors aren't a bad thing? You're putting words in her mouth here. Scum. Look here what she said: I feel that Mist is currently our best candidate. She has had two slip of the tongue posts and defended someone else day 1. Today she has made no useful contributions and seems to be hiding behind previous behaviors to stay under the radar. I am getting a strong scum read on her (scum or traitor). Then I said this to lauga in responce: so you are going to continue your quest against me, are you? Oh well, if you wanna. But what is this talk about "scum or traitors"? I thought there was just loyal and scum and neutral in this game... So where have you gotten that from? From the Brand discussion yesterday or what? Then Crane said: PS. Mist, what you're doing is called fishing. If I'm gonna go down for doing it, you can have a mark against your name too. And okay I replied this: what are you talking about? If I wanna know why Lauga means there is traitors isn't a bad thing. Because if there are in this game, they are scum and I try to help finding them. I see now that my damn mobile did some typos there. But what I meant to say to Crane, was: "If I, wanna know what Lauga meant with that comment about scum and traitors. Is not a bad thing because if there are traitors in this game, I wanna help finding them." There you have it... if someone is twisting words it is you Dar! Why so concerned about me bringing up you as a traitor to cause you to PM someone fishing for information? Just ask outright in the thread for all of us to see. And what exactly are you doing to help find scum? Who do you think I have PM´d for info? I haven´t done that. I have asked Crane the man, about why he would be so naive to "fish" for info about town PRs and think it wouldn´t look scummy and then mean that it is a townie move to do.
Hinckley Posted July 12, 2015 Posted July 12, 2015 "If I, wanna know what Lauga meant with that comment about scum and traitors. Is not a bad thing because if there are traitors in this game, I wanna help finding them." There you have it... if someone is twisting words it is you Dar! So, you're saying you didn't bother reading anything at all on Day One? There was a significant discussion about Tarben possibly being a traitor. Hello? Is Mist home?
Tariq j Posted July 12, 2015 Posted July 12, 2015 This is really disturbing. You do remember the part where Brand was Loyal, right? Yes, I do. I was merely saying he was behaving like Brand, that doesn't mean to say he is town.
Dragonfire Posted July 12, 2015 Posted July 12, 2015 Unvote: Crabeinn the Redder I won't lie your behavior was odd, yet looking back I was overreacting slightly and there is something about you that gives off a towny vibe. Anyway, Jarl, aside from the fact I haven't seen much of you on here, dare I say it, you're sounding a bit like Brand from Day One, suspicious Behavior, odd posts. Vote: Jarl Name-Loser (jluck) Umm... why are you comparing a possible Scum to a dead Townie and using that as a reason to vote him? Big ping. But what I meant to say to Crane, was: "If I, wanna know what Lauga meant with that comment about scum and traitors. Is not a bad thing because if there are traitors in this game, I wanna help finding them." There you have it... if someone is twisting words it is you Dar! ..... You just edited that sentence to change the full stops around. It's a poor attempt to cover up your slip-up, and it still doesn't make sense. Why is the existence of traitors not a bad thing? Now you're saying it! And then you accuse me of twisting your words! It's you who twisted Lauga's words to form a baseless accusation, and you can't even cover your own tracks, so you decide to do some OMGUS! At least you remembered my name though
Duvors Posted July 12, 2015 Posted July 12, 2015 Do you actually think I would remember your name Look here what she said: Then I said this to lauga in responce: Then Crane said: And okay I replied this: I see now that my damn mobile did some typos there. But what I meant to say to Crane, was: "If I, wanna know what Lauga meant with that comment about scum and traitors. Is not a bad thing because if there are traitors in this game, I wanna help finding them." There you have it... if someone is twisting words it is you Dar! Who do you think I have PM´d for info? I haven´t done that. I have asked Crane the man, about why he would be so naive to "fish" for info about town PRs and think it wouldn´t look scummy and then mean that it is a townie move to do. This entire post feels wrong to me. It looks like a scum trying to cover up a mistake by trying to convince everyone that you said something other than what you actually said.
Mencot Posted July 12, 2015 Posted July 12, 2015 So, you're saying you didn't bother reading anything at all on Day One? There was a significant discussion about Tarben possibly being a traitor. Hello? Is Mist home? Yes I did and do remember. But that was not the case with her comment, as seen later when she responded back to me. But this is okay just what I saw.
Dragonfire Posted July 12, 2015 Posted July 12, 2015 This entire post feels wrong to me. It looks like a scum trying to cover up a mistake by trying to convince everyone that you said something other than what you actually said. Hey, you found an emoji of yourself, Lodmund Can we please get a lynch today? I'd like Mist lynched, but I'd be happy to switch to Jarl to get a lynch. He's scummy too, but I just can't stand Mist's scum-play any longer.
TrumpetKing Posted July 12, 2015 Posted July 12, 2015 After talking with Pudding-Head privately, it's clear that Tarben was blowing things out of proportion. Interesting how he's been a factor on both days' major conflicts. Unvote: Pudding-Head (Hinckley) Jarl the Apologetic is definitely suspicious, as is Cranebeinn, but if I remember correctly, Jarl was acting odd yesterday too, so I think my vote is going to go on him today. Vote: Jarl (jluck) Have a look again. There aren't that many assumptions. I'm town. Scum aren't going to kill scum, the SK is likely shooting blind and doesn't care if he hits scum or town. So your best result Is 3-1. And that if the vig can pick a scum. There aren't many possibilities and you're a smart guy, you can think them through. Don't obfusticate and fluff. Analyse and plan. What sets you apart from the others? If we end up lynching Jarl and he turns up town, we have the same odds. It works with everyone, not just you. It looks like either Tarben exaggerated what Toki said in private when he told Pudding, or that Toki is understating what he told Tarben in PM. Didn't we already establish this? What was the point exactly in restating it again?
mostlytechnic Posted July 12, 2015 Posted July 12, 2015 As we saw yesterday, though, bickering about technicalities in PMs is a bad thing. I relayed it because I'm uneasy about you and even though you were busy, you were reluctant to post your thoughts in the thread... I don't know, maybe that's a towntell. I'm having serious second thoughts on you. Sorry for dragging you into all this. My experience has been that the vast majority of the time, public fights in game are townies. So that's why I didn't vote for any of them yesterday and honestly, I find the bickering to be a towntell. Scum try to avoid the spotlight like that. Think back to the tree game. I'm apt to change my mind a lot as town. It's less backtracking and more rethinking. Real town doesn't have concrete views. Real town amends them as they become more acquainted with the situation. I'll agree with that - townies SHOULD be rethinking all the time and not carving their opinions in stone. 1, carving in stone takes a lot of time and we've got better things to do. And 2, we don't have the facts of people allegiances like the scum do. So being overly insistent on something is a scumread IMHO. With the candidates we have today (myself included) I still feel cranebeinn is the best choice. He's been incredibly scummy since the beginning and it keeps getting worse. If he comes up as town, turn on me. If he's scum, you can reevaluate your opinion of me. It's two birds with one stone. I've given you the truth, I'm sorry I'm not actively responding to your allegations, I'll try to check back in tonight when I get home. The Skull-Smasher pointed this out a little bit ago, but it was pinging me hard too. Why on earth would a townie be so sure of another persons alliance to stake their own life on it? So, I'm going to Unvote: Dagstyrr the Fool (Darkdragon) (I still think his silence is bad, but my vote is wasted here. ) Vote: Jarl Name-Loser (jluck)
Dragonfire Posted July 12, 2015 Posted July 12, 2015 It looks like everyone has reached a general consensus. I want a lynch today, so I'll Unvote: Mist (Mencot) and Vote: Jarl Name-Loser (jluck).
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