Kintobor Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 Personally, I'm not voting until I'm more sure of someone's scumminess. Or if my vote is needed to achieve a lynch. If I had to vote now, gun to my head, I'd be voting for Brian, because his non-committal-but-accusatory post pinged me. But I think I'll wait a while before casting my vote. So you're making the same statement as Brian? You think he's scummy, you don't want to commit to a vote, but you still point out and accuse him?
Piratedave84 Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 I think my post is legitimate; I would rather wait and cast a valid vote for someone I truly feel deserves it rather than throw votes left and right. Day one votes are already pretty crappy ones, we don't need 17,000,000 useless votes to analyze tomorrow; only scum would want the tread flooded with useless votes. If I vote and unvote you'll call it being wishy-washy, if I save my vote, you call me scum ... it's a lose-lose situation. How can Gregory defend himself/herself against an accusation of "scummy vibes"? I'm pretty sure Shirley (and maybe Al too) were voting to get reactions. You seem to be treating this as if Gregory is a legitimate suspect. Why do you feel a need to defend Gregory? There is only one reason why you would defend someone else at this point ...
Lady K Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 We are still missing some of our community who haven't chimed in yet. I still want to here from the others before casting my vote. However one thing of note is that Al waited 31hrs into the day to post his first and only post which was to vote with no reason of his own given. I find this troubling. He normally has more to say in the few posts he gives.
Dragonfire Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 So you're making the same statement as Brian? You think he's scummy, you don't want to commit to a vote, but you still point out and accuse him? No. Brian implied that he would vote Gregory, for absolutely no reason, but didn't commit to it. On the other hand, I am not voting for anyone until I am more sure of someone I want to vote. Brian is currently the scummiest person IMO. But it's a rather weak read, and I don't feel strongly enough about him to vote. What makes Brian suspicious is the fact that Gregory had really done nothing scummy at all, except for being voted as a reaction test by two others. Brian has no legitimate reason to suspect Gregory, other than sheeping. I have a reason to suspect Brian. This is the difference. Also, see Wanda's first sentence below. I feel the same way. I think my post is legitimate; I would rather wait and cast a valid vote for someone I truly feel deserves it rather than throw votes left and right. Day one votes are already pretty crappy ones, we don't need 17,000,000 useless votes to analyze tomorrow; only scum would want the tread flooded with useless votes. If I vote and unvote you'll call it being wishy-washy, if I save my vote, you call me scum ... it's a lose-lose situation. Why do you feel a need to defend Gregory? There is only one reason why you would defend someone else at this point ... I guessed someone would call me out on this. It's happened before. First, my comment was more "I think Brian is suspicious" than "I think Gregory is town". As Irene (I believe) already said, I have no read on Gregory and no reason to believe that he is either town or scum. Brian was implying that Gregory was being blatantly scummy and needed to defend himself. Having been in Gregory's position before, I know what it feels like to be asked to defend yourself from allegations of "he's got a scummy vibe". It's really hard.
Tamamono Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 Hey guys, sorry, was doing some hair. I like how things have started off. Some interesting votes going on. Right now I'd probably agree with Shelly that Greg and Irene are the best choices, but I'm getting weird vibes on the Brian and Al wagons. I can understand how you think Al's scum for jumping on Greg (when I think he was pretty much justified), but why Brian? That bogus stuff about "setting up" doesn't really come into play this early in the game. And wow, day 1 is off to the usual start. Someone throws out a vote, someone scummily jumps on it, someone else lazily says they might join the bandwagon... now, not saying I have anything more solid to vote with yet, but we've got multiple people jumping on gregory here with NO basis. Oh sorry, "general scumminess" - aka made 3 fluffy, role-playing posts so far in the start of day 1 WHERE YOU"RE SUPPOSED TO DO THAT. Hey, I have ZERO evidence that Greg is town or scum or 3rd party, but that also means I sure don't have any reason to vote him off yet. I'm HOPING that Shelly was just throwing a name out to see who jumps on it - seems like she's really anxious to get past the donut talk and get serious - but considering how day 1 lynches go, why not (if she's scum) do exactly this? Throw a name out knowing it can't really ever be held against you, watch everyone jump on the bandwagon, and know you're lynching a townie rather than risk the same thing happening to a Milano? Not a bad plan actually. I'm not sure how to read this. Were you anyone else I'd probably vote you based on this alone, but I don't think this is how you act when you're guilty, Irene. Remember when you stole my scissors? That was uncool, but you weren't like this when somebody figured you out. I think I find Shadows Wanda throwing suspicion onto Gregory without voting more scummy than Al and Shelly's vote for him. If your so sure about Greg's suspiciousness, vote for him and put some pressure on him to get him to talk. Al's jumped on the bandwagon with fluff, but that's all that's been tossed around so far. You call him out for "general scumminess" and do nothing about it. Vote: Brian Barnes (Shadows) Ping. Brian addressed this before you posted - he wanted to see how Greg reacted. I think you're trying to jump on a wagon that makes you look earnest/sincere in finding scum with this. Brian might be scum, but not for this reason, imo. Vote: Ace Brickman (Kintobor) I think this is an excellent lynch. Greg's good too, but I think we should nail this guy to the wall today. Really?! You almost made me spill my coffee when I heard this! I understand Shirley wanted to put wheels into motion, but she didn't really say anything that could be "on to". Your eagerness in jumping the nearest bandwagon makes you the most suspicious one in this early stage, mate. Vote: Al Cooper (TinyPiesRUs) You acknowledge that Shelley and Brian have past experience that makes their votes ok... and then vote someone just as experienced in the same way? We are still missing some of our community who haven't chimed in yet. I still want to here from the others before casting my vote. However one thing of note is that Al waited 31hrs into the day to post his first and only post which was to vote with no reason of his own given. I find this troubling. He normally has more to say in the few posts he gives. I love that Greg's trying to throw shade on the quieter members - in particular someone who has some votes on him - when we all know that that doesn't usually result in scum lynches. If the Ace lynch doesn't take off, Greg's getting my vote.
Lady K Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 Actually Pamela, I'm not throwing suspicion on anyone and that includes Al. I am merely troubled by his one and only post to vote when he usually has many thoughtful things to say. I would have brought this up regardless of who he has voted for.
Tamamono Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 Actually Pamela, I'm not throwing suspicion on anyone and that includes Al. I am merely troubled by his one and only post to vote when he usually has many thoughtful things to say. I would have brought this up regardless of who he has voted for. It's just interesting that you chose to pick him in particular when you two are both on the chopping block.
Dragonfire Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 Am I missing something here? Is there something Gregory has done that I am just not seeing, or is everyone only suspecting/voting him because of Shirley's "scummy vibes"??? This is ridiculous. At least produce some reasoning if you're going to vote someone. Ping. Brian addressed this before you posted - he wanted to see how Greg reacted. I think you're trying to jump on a wagon that makes you look earnest/sincere in finding scum with this. Brian might be scum, but not for this reason, imo. Vote: Ace Brickman (Kintobor) I think this is an excellent lynch. Greg's good too, but I think we should nail this guy to the wall today. Okay. I have two issues with this. 1) Some other people (including myself) said basically exactly the same thing and yet you single out Ace and ignore the others? 2) You claim that Brian has already addressed this. Here is Brian's post: I'm giving the first person voted for an opportunity to defend themselves. If they fail to do so, I plan to vote for them. No one else had been accused at the time, so I don't see how you can call that positioning myself with any vote except potentially that one. Since your reasoning makes no sense, I can only wonder if you're trying to come up with a weak excuse to split the vote. It's a bit early for such silliness, but hey, people have revealed themselves for less logical reasons, so consider yourself on my radar. 1) How can Gregory defend himself from an accusation of "scummy vibes"? 2) Brian plans to vote Gregory based on Shirley's "scummy vibes" 3) He wants to vote Gregory because nobody else has been accused Please tell me, how is this post an accurate explanation of Brian's actions and how does it successfully "address" the allegations against him?
jluck Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 (snip) 1) How can Gregory defend himself from an accusation of "scummy vibes"? 2) Brian plans to vote Gregory based on Shirley's "scummy vibes" 3) He wants to vote Gregory because nobody else has been accused Please tell me, how is this post an accurate explanation of Brian's actions and how does it successfully "address" the allegations against him? My thoughts exactly! Brian literally had nothing to add. There was no analysis, nothing added, just that he'd be happy to vote for Greg based on...on what again exactly?? Based on Shirley having a suspicion? It just doesn't feel right.
JackJonespaw Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 Damn, I'm at the Emporium for 9 hours, and then all this happens?! I can't believe you guys left me out of the fun! The votes are good, and I'll never not say that a vote isn't justified (except those attention-grabber votes. Damn those.), but out of all this behavior, the only strange ping I got was from Wanda. let's see if this will be better today ... nope ... oh well I guess I'll have to deal with it! I'm not super keen on the votes being thrown I'll hold off on my vote for now The only strategy (if there is one at all) that I can see is trying to just fade out until tomorrow, when hopefully everyone's forgotten about this vote.. But again, I don't try to guess people's strategies - I'm usually wrong. What comes to Wanda's behaviour, I'd peg it down to inexperience - for now. We are all grasping at straws at this point, anyway. IWanda's been playing a while, though.. Right? Or did I miss that? Inexperienced or not, saying absolutely nothing about a direct vote is just...weird. And scummy. Scummy vibes. Anyway, I'll go and Vote: Wanda (Piratedave84). I'm willing to change it, I just need a really good reason for the behavior.
Kintobor Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 Ping. Brian addressed this before you posted - he wanted to see how Greg reacted. I think you're trying to jump on a wagon that makes you look earnest/sincere in finding scum with this. Brian might be scum, but not for this reason, imo. Vote: Ace Brickman (Kintobor) I think this is an excellent lynch. Greg's good too, but I think we should nail this guy to the wall today. I love that Greg's trying to throw shade on the quieter members - in particular someone who has some votes on him - when we all know that that doesn't usually result in scum lynches. If the Ace lynch doesn't take off, Greg's getting my vote. Anyone abstaining to vote while claiming they have suspicion on someone is suspicious in my eye. If you think someone is suspicious, why not vote for them, as you've just done to me? If he wanted Greg to react, wouldn't he of also voted for him?
Tamamono Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 1) Some other people (including myself) said basically exactly the same thing and yet you single out Ace and ignore the others? The difference is that when Katherine said so, although I think she's wrong in her individual reasoning, hadn't explained himself yet. Ace ignored the explanation and just parroted Kate's (can I call you Kate?) position, which I found to be scummy. I think your questions posed to Brian were better ones than raised by the others, though, for the record. 2) You claim that Brian has already addressed this. Here is Brian's post: 1) How can Gregory defend himself from an accusation of "scummy vibes"? That wasn't the question Ace asked, it was yours. Here's Ace's post: I think I find Shadows Wanda throwing suspicion onto Gregory without voting more scummy than Al and Shelly's vote for him. If your so sure about Greg's suspiciousness, vote for him and put some pressure on him to get him to talk. Al's jumped on the bandwagon with fluff, but that's all that's been tossed around so far. You call him out for "general scumminess" and do nothing about it. He basically said "If you think he's scum, vote for him." That's his reasoning. The fact that mentioned "general scumminess" doesn't mean that his question is intrinsically linked to yours. 2) Brian plans to vote Gregory based on Shirley's "scummy vibes" He seemed inclined to, yes. 3) He wants to vote Gregory because nobody else has been accused I actually think you're misinterpreting the post there. I think what he was saying was that he couldn't very well vote for somebody else at that point, not that he explicitly wanted Greg for that reason. Please tell me, how is this post an accurate explanation of Brian's actions and how does it successfully "address" the allegations against him? It may not address your questions, but it's responsive to the votes. I don't take a position on Brian's allegiance - the dude is impossible to read. My argument is that Ace is scum. Anyone abstaining to vote while claiming they have suspicion on someone is suspicious in my eye. If you think someone is suspicious, why not vote for them, as you've just done to me? If he wanted Greg to react, wouldn't he of also voted for him? I don't think it's great play, but it's not suspicious per se. I've known a lot of people to wait for responses/reactions before casting the vote. Greg already had votes on him, one more wouldn't have invoked any more of a reaction.
Bob Posted May 12, 2015 Author Posted May 12, 2015 (edited) Vote Count: Gregory McHenry (Lady K) - 2 (def, TinyPiesRUs) Brian Barnes (Shadows) - 2 (jluck, Kintobor) Wanda Barnes (Piratedave84) - 3 (StickFig, Dannylonglegs, Jackjonespaw) Al Cooper (TinyPiesRUs) - 2 (Palathadric, Sandy) Ace Brickman (Kintobor) - 1 (Tamamono) With eighteen players, it will take ten votes to lynch. Edited May 12, 2015 by Bob
Kintobor Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 The difference is that when Katherine said so, although I think she's wrong in her individual reasoning, hadn't explained himself yet. Ace ignored the explanation and just parroted Kate's (can I call you Kate?) position, which I found to be scummy. So explaining why one casts their vote on someone is scummy? I explained why I found Shadows scummy and why I voted for him. If it's the same reason as someone else, then where's the issue in that? He basically said "If you think he's scum, vote for him." That's his reasoning. The fact that mentioned "general scumminess" doesn't mean that his question is intrinsically linked to yours. Yes. Isn't that the reason we vote for people? Shadows did explain himself, but I found his lack of commitment to the Greg lynch, yet still approval of it, suspicious. If he agreed with it, he should've voted. And why isn't me bringing up general scumminess not linked? The end point is still the same: Brian is acting suspicious. I don't think it's great play, but it's not suspicious per se. I've known a lot of people to wait for responses/reactions before casting the vote. Greg already had votes on him, one more wouldn't have invoked any more of a reaction. I'd rather know where people stand now then have them wait to tell us just before the day ends. That can easily result in a careless bandwagon, or a lack of a lynch, something the town doesn't need to happen. If they wanted to get Greg's attention, though, Shadows should've voted. I doubt Greg's getting lynched, but there's no harm in using your vote to put pressure on someone.
Tamamono Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 So explaining why one casts their vote on someone is scummy? I explained why I found Shadows scummy and why I voted for him. If it's the same reason as someone else, then where's the issue in that? The issue isn't in that it it's the same reasoning as someone else, the reasoning is in the fact that you completely ignored his justification for it. You acted like it never happened. Plus, I must add, you only chimed in with that post after Eugene called upon you to speak. You seem way more awkward this game than you seemed when you were in cosplay. Why is that? Yes. Isn't that the reason we vote for people? Shadows did explain himself, but I found his lack of commitment to the Greg lynch, yet still approval of it, suspicious. If he agreed with it, he should've voted. And why isn't me bringing up general scumminess not linked? The end point is still the same: Brian is acting suspicious. Then why didn't you say that then? You're putting 2 and 2 together and saying it equals 5. I'd rather know where people stand now then have them wait to tell us just before the day ends. That can easily result in a careless bandwagon, or a lack of a lynch, something the town doesn't need to happen. If they wanted to get Greg's attention, though, Shadows should've voted. I doubt Greg's getting lynched, but there's no harm in using your vote to put pressure on someone. Respond to my points. Greg already had pressure on him, didn't he? What tangible difference would Brian's vote have had?
Palathadric Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 Interesting conclusion, but I don't know if I agree with it. It may have been a while since my last time out of the kitchen, but last time I checked, the first and second vote draw a lot more attention to one's self than a scum would be interested in obtaining. Of course there's always the WIFOM argument to be made, but I don't know if I'd agree with that either. Anyways, I'd expect more of Al than to show his scummy hands this easily with nothing more than a hop on a bandwagon. Considering that Al is experienced at these...situations. I do have a hard time believing he would blow his scummy cover. However, he's certainly not acting like much of a town considering that it was, as Russel pointed out, his only post of the day and it contained little more than his vote. If he's town, he's not trying very hard to be helpful. So why should we not find his scummy attitude scummy just because he is "experienced?" Scummy is scummy, whether one is experienced or not. If nothing else, my vote and the added pressure will hopefully get him to come out of himself a little more...or at least I'd like to think it will. We shall see.
def Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 Personally, I'm not voting until I'm more sure of someone's scumminess. Or if my vote is needed to achieve a lynch. If I had to vote now, gun to my head, I'd be voting for Brian, because his non-committal-but-accusatory post pinged me. But I think I'll wait a while before casting my vote. This sort of nonsense has to stop. There will be nothing you can be sure of on day one. And everyone 'waiting' is being over-cautious. It's much better to have everyone, town and scum, put themselves out there early, so we have stuff to consider. I don't know if Christopher is town or scum, but there are too many people like him who are waiting to vote, 8 out of 18 haven't voted. All of you folk need to stop pussyfooting and take away the herd for scum to hide in. Like the rest of you, I'm troubled by Al's support of my, frankly, non-vote. Why vote for Gregory? She was at the top of the page 3. It was reason enough to start with. Unvote: Gregory Vote: Al Cooper (TinyPiesRUs)
Palathadric Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 However one thing of note is that Al waited 31hrs into the day to post his first and only post which was to vote with no reason of his own given. I find this troubling. He normally has more to say in the few posts he gives. Thank you for pointing this out, but I believe Russel said more or less the same thing already.
jimmynick Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 I'm giving the first person voted for an opportunity to defend themselves. If they fail to do so, I plan to vote for them. No one else had been accused at the time, so I don't see how you can call that positioning myself with any vote except potentially that one. Since your reasoning makes no sense, I can only wonder if you're trying to come up with a weak excuse to split the vote. It's a bit early for such silliness, but hey, people have revealed themselves for less logical reasons, so consider yourself on my radar. I think it's weird that Brian accuses Katherine of trying to "split the vote" with the third total vote of the day. "Split the vote" is a phrase that casts lots of suspicion and I don't think it's justified here. But I also think it's weird that Katherine voted for Brian because Brian agrees that Gregory demonstrates "general scumminess".
Palathadric Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 I think my post is legitimate; I would rather wait and cast a valid vote for someone I truly feel deserves it rather than throw votes left and right. Day one votes are already pretty crappy ones, we don't need 17,000,000 useless votes to analyze tomorrow; only scum would want the tread flooded with useless votes. If I vote and unvote you'll call it being wishy-washy, if I save my vote, you call me scum ... it's a lose-lose situation. I think I disagree with you. It's true that 17,000,000 useless votes is a bit much, but a round million? Seriously, speaking, I think it's better that more votes get thrown on the table that are switched around a bit as time goes on, then people who want to hold their vote and not commit. Also, you sound a lot like you're trying very hard to appear townie.
TrumpetKing Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 What Shelly points out about Wanda is valid. Why hold off on a vote when voting can be done multiple times? Waiting to put the nail in the coffin, perhaps? Vote: Wanda Barnes (Piratedave84) You are right, sorry! I just did not hear you before. I must've been on a coffee break. What comes to Wanda's behaviour, I'd peg it down to inexperience - for now. We are all grasping at straws at this point, anyway. Wanda is definitely not inexperienced. Wanda's been around longer than I have, the only inexperience she might have is with being a scum. This defense strikes me as suspicious. I'm onto you, Russell.
jluck Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 I think it's weird that Brian accuses Katherine of trying to "split the vote" with the third total vote of the day. "Split the vote" is a phrase that casts lots of suspicion and I don't think it's justified here. But I also think it's weird that Katherine voted for Brian because Brian agrees that Gregory demonstrates "general scumminess". Brian was agreeing with something that even the original voter (Shelly) didn't think was true! That's why I voted for Brian. The comment of "general scumminess" was just an attempt to get the game started but Brian immediately stepped in to agree. (Snip) Like the rest of you, I'm troubled by Al's support of my, frankly, non-vote. Why vote for Gregory? She was at the top of the page 3. It was reason enough to start with. Unvote: Gregory Vote: Al Cooper (TinyPiesRUs) See? Shelley even states she (he) didn't vote for Gregory out of any true suspicion. I figured everyone would recognize that the vote was just a game starter...but apparently they didn't which lead to my vote. You guys do realize this is just an attempt to get the game started and end the small talk, right? I guess not. I'm going to vote: Brian Barnes (Shadows) because it seems he's trying to position himself with any vote that may emerge without being too committal and that is scummy to me.
StickFig Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 I'm really surprised that some of you are actually following on my poke vote for Pirate Dave Wanda. It was a ridiculous vote - so ridiculous that Wanda didn't even acknowledge it - and yet here some of you followed it when there are better candidates around. Unvote: Wanda Barnes (Piratedave84) Vote: Al Cooper (TinyPiesRUs) It's been long enough; Mr. Cooper jumped on the first lynch candidate available without giving reasons and hasn't said anything since (and he didn't say anything before that either).
Kintobor Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 The issue isn't in that it it's the same reasoning as someone else, the reasoning is in the fact that you completely ignored his justification for it. You acted like it never happened. If Brian found Greg suspicious, he should've voted for him. You yourself agree that it wasn't a great play. Plus, I must add, you only chimed in with that post after Eugene called upon you to speak. You seem way more awkward this game than you seemed when you were in cosplay. Why is that? I was preparing to state my vote when Eugene asked me why I was quite based off of previous assumptions, something your doing now. Then why didn't you say that then? You're putting 2 and 2 together and saying it equals 5. I thought it was pretty clear that I thought Brian was acting suspicious. Generally that's what the word "scummy" means in these scenarios. Respond to my points. Greg already had pressure on him, didn't he? What tangible difference would Brian's vote have had? He would've at least made it clear who he thought was scum. As def has stated, this nonsense about waiting to vote gets us nowhere, something I've been saying since I voted for Shadows, in fact, directly afterwards in the post you claim makes me look "awkward.
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