Opinions on the 2004 4+ Pirate Lego Theme

[Wolf04]

LEGO thought this was best. And once they realize they did something wrong and lose millions of dollars, they'll bring back quality sets. You just have to have patience.

[Mister Phes]

LEGO thought this was best. And once they realize they did something wrong and lose millions of dollars, they'll bring back quality sets. You just have to have patience.

Yeah, but how long is it going to take them to realise?

To me they've been going down hill since the late 90's and every year they find new ways to keep going down hill. Lego might kill itself before it brings back the quality sets.

[Wolf04]

You know when the LEGO company died? In 1997, when they released those stupid <insert that tiresome argument> sets and the LEGO company will never be the same. They introduced new disgusting pieces, new colours. One day, LEGO may be on the verge of giving bankruptcy and Megabloks will win. That's also the time when robots and machines will take over most of the humans' jobs. ;)

I just don't know why they don't listen to what people want? I mean, that's the easiest way to get filthy rich, listen to what people want and sell it to them. Why isn't the LEGO company doing this?

[Mister Phes]

You know when the LEGO company died? In 1997, when they released those stupid <insert that tiresome argument> sets and the LEGO company will never be the same. They introduced new disgusting pieces, new colours.

Actually, I think this hits the nail on the head. I couldn't agree more. And just coincidentally Pirates were cancelled in 1997. There must be a connection!

I just don't know why they don't listen to what people want? I mean, that's the easiest way to get filthy rich, listen to what people want and sell it to them. Why isn't the LEGO company doing this?

Apparently at present they lack an official spokes person preventing them from doing this. Why would they need a dang official spokesperson to do this? They just need somebody to do it! The idiots...

[Assassin]

Sacriledge perhaps, but has anyone considered that maybe Lego ARE listening to what people want ?

Maybe a significant amount of people have asked for sets for 4 year olds with larger parts.

Another point to consider is that (as has been pointed out earlier) Lego are trying to get the younger market interested, and if that takes bigger parts and simplified sets then so be it.

Lego are NOT going to listen to minority groups who rave on about their favourite theme and demand new releases. Don't get me wrong, I have 4 pirate ships myself, so I'm not knocking Pirates, but also we should remember, there are only so many sets that Lego can release each year (worse luck).

One last point to think about, (and I can't remember where I read it) one of the Lego reps did say that NO theme was considered dead, there was always a possibility that (one day) any particular theme may suddenly surface again.

[Mister Phes]

Sacriledge perhaps, but has anyone considered that maybe Lego ARE listening to what people want ?

Maybe a significant amount of people have asked for sets for 4 year olds with larger parts.

Another point to consider is that (as has been pointed out earlier) Lego are trying to get the younger market interested, and if that takes bigger parts and simplified sets then so be it.

If they are listening then they're not doing a job from my perspective!

Has there been any evidence of people asking for a 4+ Pirate theme? I haven't come across any as yet. But I have come across many that want a traditional Pirate Theme and many that dislike the 4+ Pirate theme.

But this is why I'm here... To find out everything I can!

[The Middleman]

Kids and parents might prefer a more <insert that tiresome argument> theme, but my guess is, if there WASN'T one, they would buy a normal-style set anyway. I see plenty of toddlers at TRU buying TIE Fighters and Fire Stations and KK2 sets. Apparently, they can handle it. And if the AFOLs/TFOLs are clamoring for it so strongly, and it won't harm the 'junior' market (much, if any - still, any loss would be heavily outweighed by the AFOL/TFOL gain), then why not give it to us?

[Mister Phes]

Kids and parents might prefer a more <insert that tiresome argument> theme, but my guess is, if there WASN'T one, they would buy a normal-style set anyway.  I see plenty of toddlers at TRU buying TIE Fighters and Fire Stations and KK2 sets.  Apparently, they can handle it.  And if the AFOLs/TFOLs are clamoring for it so strongly, and it won't harm the 'junior' market (much, if any - still, any loss would be heavily outweighed by the AFOL/TFOL gain), then why not give it to us?

Like I've mentioned several times, my 4 year old nephew prefers my classic Pirate Lego over this 4+ stuff.

He does just as much damage to the 4+ plus stuff as he does to the classic stuff, and he can't rebuild the 4+ stuff any better than the classic.

They'll play with regardless what age its intended for...

[Wolf04]

Yea...see, Eurobricks is like a dictatorship. All those high end leaders don't care about what, we the lower members care. So you could say as many times as you want, they won't listen and won't care. The only reason this board was created was for those top end dictators to have some "power". ;) I myself, am a rebel and so far I wasn't kicked out so it's all good, for now.

[Mister Phes]

Yea...see, Eurobricks is like a dictatorship. All those high end leaders don't care about what, we the lower members care. So you could say as many times as you want, they won't listen and won't care. The only reason this board was created was for those top end dictators to have some "power". ;) I myself, am a rebel and so far I wasn't kicked out so it's all good, for now.

Heh? This post seems like it would be more relevant in another one of my threads. I've been referring to Lego being useless for not listening, not EuroBrick for not having a Pirate forum. Notice the double negative in that sentence? Never use double negatives! Its bad!

[jonfett]

Yea...see, Eurobricks is like a dictatorship. All those high end leaders don't care about what, we the lower members care. So you could say as many times as you want, they won't listen and won't care. The only reason this board was created was for those top end dictators to have some "power". ;) I myself, am a rebel and so far I wasn't kicked out so it's all good, for now.

Well Mr Rebel. you can be kicked out with the click of a button. We dictators have no use for scummy little members like yourself ;)

Jon.

[Wolf04]

Yea...see, Eurobricks is like a dictatorship. All those high end leaders don't care about what, we the lower members care. So you could say as many times as you want, they won't listen and won't care. The only reason this board was created was for those top end dictators to have some "power".  ;) I myself, am a rebel and so far I wasn't kicked out so it's all good, for now.

Heh? This post seems like it would be more relevant in another one of my threads. I've been referring to Lego being useless for not listening, not EuroBrick for not having a Pirate forum. Notice the double negative in that sentence? Never use double negatives! Its bad!

No I meant that, you've said at least 5 times that your lil nephew that liked the old Pirates sets rather than the 4+.

[Mister Phes]

Heh?  This post seems like it would be more relevant in another one of my threads.  I've been referring to Lego being useless for not listening, not EuroBrick for not having a Pirate forum.  Notice the double negative in that sentence?  Never use double negatives!  Its bad!

No I meant that, you've said at least 5 times that your lil nephew that liked the old Pirates sets rather than the 4+.

Ahhhhhhhh good! So its being noticed and I'm not writing it in vain! After I repeat it another 5 times I'll be able to stop writing it.

[The Middleman]

Well, considering that we're all basically agreeing with you, and considering that, in any case, one child does not represent the majority, I think it's safe to say you can stop repeating it. ;)

[Wolf04]

Heh?  This post seems like it would be more relevant in another one of my threads.  I've been referring to Lego being useless for not listening, not EuroBrick for not having a Pirate forum.  Notice the double negative in that sentence?  Never use double negatives!  Its bad!

No I meant that, you've said at least 5 times that your lil nephew that liked the old Pirates sets rather than the 4+.

Ahhhhhhhh good! So its being noticed and I'm not writing it in vain! After I repeat it another 5 times I'll be able to stop writing it.

Well =>I<= noticed it but it seems the *others* have not.

[Mister Phes]

Well, considering that we're all basically agreeing with you, and considering that, in any case, one child does not represent the majority, I think it's safe to say you can stop repeating it. ;)

We need to do an experiment...

Everyone capture as many kids around the age of 4 from all over the world as we can, then we put them in a room with some classic Pirate Lego and some 4+ Pirate Lego. Then we observe which one they like the most.

That should fix that problem!

[Wolf04]

I think most of them would be crying for their mommies. :P

[Mister Phes]

I think most of them would be crying for their mommies. :P

No they wouldn't! They'd so absorbed in the classic Pirate Lego they wouldn't be able to think of anything else.

[jonfett]

Everyone capture as many kids around the age of 4 from all over the world as we can..

Firstly I think that that would be illegal ;)

Jon.

[Assassin]

Quote by Bloody Jay

And if the AFOLs/TFOLs are clamoring for it so strongly, and it won't harm the 'junior' market (much, if any - still, any loss would be heavily outweighed by the AFOL/TFOL gain), then why not give it to us?

Probably because (as has been said before) the AFOL/TFOL share of the market is not that significant to warrant special treatment (and isn't helped by idiots that rave on about how they hope Lego suffers a financial loss this year)

[xwingyoda]

Like we already discuss in another thread somewhere on these boards:

1) it is very hard to quantify the actual "buying power" of AFOLs and KFOLs worldwide.

2) The AFOLs and KFOLs are really diverse and do not represent a homogenious group.

Our voice is then totally diluted, and TLC really doesn't know how to communicate and reach us AFOLs.

Lets hope that one day they will understand that we need, in some way, to represent a force of persuasion on TLC decisions and Marketing strategies ;)

[snefroe]

Quote by Bloody Jay

And if the AFOLs/TFOLs are clamoring for it so strongly, and it won't harm the 'junior' market (much, if any - still, any loss would be heavily outweighed by the AFOL/TFOL gain), then why not give it to us?

Probably because (as has been said before) the AFOL/TFOL share of the market is not that significant to warrant special treatment (and isn't helped by idiots that rave on about how they hope Lego suffers a financial loss this year)

when we're in legoland, we might be able to find some one who can tell us how big the AFOL-market share is. then we'll know...

perhaps we'll also get some insight on sales/audience...

but, as other people have been saying, we've all discussed this a thousand times already... let's hope we get the star wars sets soon, so we can finally divert our attention to new topics, instead of running around in circles...

[xwingyoda]

Snefroe1,

Are you finally going to the event?

You're right, I cannot wait to have the SW sets hopfully tomorrow *sing* .....cannot wait *devil*

[Mister Phes]

but, as other people have been saying, we've all discussed this a thousand times already... let's hope we get the star wars sets soon, so we can finally divert our attention to new topics, instead of running around in circles...

Or we could just remain on topic as technicality this threadshouldn't be a discussion as to whether Lego is paying attention to us.

So now, back on topic!

I was considering buying a 7072 Captain Kragg's Kraft for a MOC.

I'd do the following

• Build up the hull a bit with constrasting colours.
  
• Move the main sail black slightly,
  
• then attach a spinnaker to the bowsprit affixed to a stay which was threaded through the main sail and secured some where on the stern.
  
• Maybe squeeze in a tradional Lego cannon depending on how much space was created by expanding the hull.
  
• Get rid of the over-sized Captain Kragg figure and replace him with proper Pirate mini-figures
  

Has anybody else done anything with this set?

[xwingyoda]

Back on topic ;)

Not yet, but I seriusly consider it. I will see tomorrow depending on how many SW sets are out ;)

As you say, it would not be complicated to make a quite nice and easy MOC on a great theme that is lacking some serious sets :'(

For sure, I consider getting rid of the long thing at the front of the ship (my appologies but I do not the real term :$ ) and replace it with a canon (just maybe).