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Unvote: Zandder Vote: Luxxon Zandder you get a day's reprieve as far as I'm concerned. Get over it. I'm the several-times-verified-town-fucking-inventor and you still think I'm scum. Everybody has been suspected, that's the way it goes. We've all been working hard, and there's been no plotting and scheming, certainly no more than you yourself have been involved in. I don't hate you, of course I don't, but this dying duck routine is a little hard to enjoy. More cookies please Granny.

Vote: Zandder

You're just not reading. Except you did. You said something like "Cadd says he's been investigated and found to be not gorgon, and if I want to check then I should just go ask the investigator myself, but how would would I do that when I don't even know who that is... LOL.... ..." That's fishing. If you had straight up asked who the investigator was, I would have said asking, not fishing. You were fishing Zzzaaaannnnddddeeeerrrrrrr. **"how would I even do that" not "how would would I do that"

Regardless of whether you believe I can or can't be scum, I believe the strongman action was used last night. It accounts for the events that we know. I wanted to wait to see what Luxxon was going to say about his protection, and what he says makes me think that is the case. Occam's Razor Clam. It looks like you and Eeyara are going through some similar thought processes to those I went through yesterday. Let me help you by refocusing on the fact that the list of scum roles is clearly visible and my town inventions have been verified again and again. I sent a message to Marwyyn overnight (ironically suggesting they might use the strongman overnight) where I also said that it was clear that my blocks (Araveea has already told Zannder I give out blocks) are countered by their strongman and my trackers are countered by their ninja invention. I suspect that we were given my role because they chose the scum inventor, which ups the likelihood that the strongman was used last night. I'm sure that Marwyyn will take a small amount of solace from beyond the grave that at least Luxxon did actually try to save her. On the subject of Marwyyn, she wasn't all that much of an interesting choice (not saying you're not interesting Marv). She had been incredibly vocal in the first couple of days, with all sorts of random vocal tics which were unfortunately distracting and unhelpful, despite being fun. That got her into hot water, but somehow she turned it all around. I know some of us know how that happened, and to an outside observer it happened around the time the scum result was brought forward on Coralaaze. It's almost as if she found some way to verify herself, and an outsider might possibly wonder what on earth Marwyyn could have done to become so trusted... And then Zannder's in in my PMs fishing for the investigator. Cause the investigator is how we got one of the scum, and the pool of people to investigate is getting small, and that's the last scum's biggest threat. And we can be pretty sure that there's only one scum left because: It's not a clue in the picture, it's the exposition in the text. And there isn't a scum conversion role and the only way I could find for conversion to happen would be through a traveler scroll, which might be the day 3 scroll but I think it's unlikely, but even if it does, even if there are two scum left I am pretty convinced that Zannder is one of, if not the, last scum.

You aren't even trying to sound town anymore. That conversation we had was just an elaborate fishing expedition to try to find out who the investigator was. That same, short conversation where you said you thought the last scum was Tameekys and that Cadd was probably just paranoid. And then both Araveea and I, two people with pretty good going town credentials, both said we thought Cadd was town, and yet you still voted Cadd because you claimed he was making stuff up. He wasn't making stuff up, he was getting stuff wrong and apologising when he realised he was wrong. @Tameekys I forgot to quote you but, yes, the traveler is Luxxon. There's no point in you not knowing at this point. The fact that he hammered the vote on Cadd yesterday at the last moment indicates to me that he really isn't interested in helping town. Granny, combine your baking skills with your weed and make us some nice cookies, it's going to be a long fucking day.

Well now that's an odd way to put it. Reading carefully, I don't think Cadd has made anything up. He's got stuff wrong, but corrected himself when he has. He hasn't stuck to something regardless. You seem to be using quite stale reasons to vote here and you've really not given us much to work with at all. I trust Cadd more than I trust you, so I'm going to Unvote: Eeyara, Vote: Zannder and apologies to Eeyara, but it was necessary at the time. Now, what will Luxxon do if/when he swoops in at the last minute?

The vote is split three ways and there's only one scum. Actually, technically, four ways.

Glad that's all cleared up. Now you've got what I was saying, you look a helluva lot more town. Unvote: Cadd Where to go next? The number of people I trust is very small, but the number of people I suspect is also very small. That makes sense to me, anyway. I'm just going to waffle a bit because nobody else is saying much and Queen Tellia will shout at us if we all wander off. Ok, I think it's probably between Zannder and Eeyara. This might turn into a shitstorm, I don't know, but I've been going over this in my head. I know I've said I thought Nerrio was the traitor because he seemed.. disconnected from Coralaaze in retrospect, but actually he could have just been disconnected from the start. He didn't try to defend himself at all. He could barely keep up with his own train of thought (and I'm not trying to be mean or amusing, but you were also scum, so I'm sorry not sorry ) so maybe the clever scum play day one was all Coralaaze, and Nerrio kinda let her down. So someone else got converted night 2. Yes, there are a number of reasons why a kill didn't happen, but two scum are dead and here we still are. The biggest change in behaviour I've seen has been from Eeyara. And the leak, hmm. I agree with Cadd (mind your continence there Cadd) that sorting out this leak might well help. Maybe we should have all listened to Scummy McScumface Coralaaze and actually lynched Eeyara in the first place. Vote: Eeyara It amuses me slightly that this is the first time I've actually voted for Eeyara. Probably doesn't amuse Eeyara though. Zannder, if you have anything you'd like to say, now would be an excellent time.

Thanks Captain Obvious. This is just more of your fishing. Is there anyone alive you haven't been chatting with, asking for a role claim or wanting to coordinate with? Tameekys still, or have you been chatting with her too by now? You've pushed for information from pretty much everyone. I gave Tameekys an invention and it's not a scum invention and she confirmed this. You don't need to know anything else. There are two more people who have received inventions from me (and here I'm also telling you more than you need to know) who could verify me, but you don't need to know who they are, what they received or whether or not they've used their inventions and what the results were/were not. I appreciate there's a small possibility you are a frustrated townie trying to work out what's going on but if you are then you are not helping by wanting to be the center of everything. You are the only one who keeps on fishing. You wanted me to coordinate with you and bring me into the loop. My loop's just fine thank you. You repeatedly said you wanted people to bring information to you so you could present a coherent case, when you have nothing to make you trustworthy. You even want people to role claim to you. You complained to me that you wanted to do all that because you weren't around at the same times as other people, but can't respond to me wondering why on earth you'd be the best person to coordinate anything or post coherent cases if you're not around at the same time as everyone else. Call it an OMGUS vote if you want Vote: Cadd

I'll just leave this here:

Scabowee-wah, Goo but not forgotten. How much will the treasury have to pay to get him outta the rugs? I think Nerrio might have been the traitor and they recalled him night two, perhaps by chance. The interaction between him and Coralaaze day one is impressive scum-play, if they were both original scummers. I think the remaining gorgon will have one remaining power in addition to their factional kill, but they would probably also get to keep a single shot ninja/strongman if it had already been given out. I don't see how the scum being able to kill last night equates to thinking Nerrio was the traitor, you can see I think he might have been, I just don't follow your logic here. I'm also not sure exactly what it is you're saying in the second sentence. Are you saying that Nerrio can't be the traitor if the scum were successful in recruiting night two?

Make a case then. Show us why we should vote for Tameekys or Marwyyn instead of you. At least tell us why you suspect either of them. Show us that you can be not-fishy instead of just shrugging and saying that yeah, you were, because you still are fishy with that reply.

You must be really senile to have forgotten about poke-votes. I appreciate your reply. In response to this point - it gives us more information than you think. Firstly, if something were to happen to you, depending on your affiliation, we would have a lead, if you're town or scum (or neutral), and also everyone here is a seasoned player, so all opinions are helpful, and all town opinions help the town, which is why I guess we vote in the first place so we can make the decisions together. Your opinion matters. I agree with what you've said about Marwyyn, although it might surprise Marwyyn to hear it. I still think Nerrio is scummy, and he's done nothing to change my view, so I Unvote: Luxxon and Vote: Nerrio Oh sorry, Unvote: Luxxon, Vote: Nerrio Hope that helps, my queen

This sounds like good news. If the traveler helps the town, then I too would hope they would stay among the living in the end. There is nothing that compels me to vote along with you or anyone else. It would be a boring day if we all just vote for Nerrio or Marwyyn and let other people slide by without being scrutinized. Luxxon poked his head up to say more of his not-very-much and, on looking back through what Luxxon has said, it's a little tricky to pinpoint where he stands right now. I would like to know, wouldn't you? A vote tends to focus the mind. You're not really expecting me to answer that? Then it is a crap new verb that smells of pee. I am suspicious of Luxxon, but I am still suspicious of Nerrio. I can (and should) be suspicious of more than one person at a time, and my suspicions are in a state of flux.

The night zero starting post is essential reading and I have re-read it a few times of the course of this experience. In the context of Coralaaze suggesting to the traveler they "do the additional" on yesterday's scroll (ie that she had the scroll) and in the context of supposing that Nerrio is scum and knows what the scroll did, and in the context of Nerrio suggesting that maybe a scroll allows the traveler to redirect actions, I was suggesting that that was a way the scum might try to blame a death on the traveler, given that we know the traveler isn't a serial killer. I'm trying to work out who you find suspicious at the moment Luxxon. You've not really voiced much in the way of opinions over the last few days. You voted for Marwyyn day one, poke-voted Scabowee-wah day 2 before switching to Eeyara and voted for Coralaaze yesterday with no other comment. Voting for Coralaaze was clearly the right thing to do, and you neatly did so without engaging in any discussion about anyone else. I find myself suspiconizing (nice new verb there, Cadd) you Luxxon, so today I will Vote: Luxxon.

Coralaaze knew I am the inventor because I sent her an invention on night one and subsequently spoke to her on day two. We obviously know now that she is scum, so that turned out to be a great move on my part. The scum already know this, so there's no point in me not making it public. I don't see why Coralaaze would want to warn the traveler about me, unless they had plans to kill me last night and wanted to try to blame that on the traveler. The traveler was said to specifically not be a serial killer so that would require some way for the traveler to be blamed. Maybe Nerrio let slip more than he should when he mentioned redirection yesterday? In my brief chat with Coralaaze the very first thing she did was defend Marwyyn and then she cast suspicion on Eeyara, Mazziko and Nerrio. It's not outside the realms of possibility to throw a scum name on that list, and we know it's not Mazziko, and I don't think anyone would be surprised if I said I thought it might be Nerrio. I would like to hear more about what's been going on with Marwyyn, especially considering a known scum defended her in private. The irony.

I think Nerrio is scummy, but in the face of an investigation result, we have to test that. Lynching Coralaaze will give us some much needed information and hopefully bag us a scum in the process. Unvote: Nerrio, Vote: Coralaaze

I'm annoyed I even have to do this, but I think even you've lost track of what you're arguing Nerrio. A brief recap: It seems you are trying to say, in the most painful, piecemeal way: "It's entirely possible the traveler has been using the scrolls, but the scrolls are something not massively powerful like tracking and/or blocking (tracking and blocking are not massively powerful), and are thus NOT something else, like a redirect, which is massively powerful in your eyes, and isn't a role that is typically used. You think the scrolls are something boring and not something that's not typically used.... Aside from this, your only contribution today has been to restate something, that had already been discussed and argued against, as a brand new idea; a new thought you were "just throwing out there". And fish.

It seems I have touched a nerve. We've talked this over and over and countless people have said that yes, it is possible they could have stayed home, they were incredibly unlikely to. This was your one suggestion today, even after everyone else had dismissed it. You didn't discuss it, you appear to have only just realised it. And why even mention a vig might try to throw us off? Unless you were just chucking in other killing roles than yours so it wouldn't sound like you actually knew what was going on? Lasting effect? Like death? Something to cut through the BS? A BS-cutter role? That's your suggestion for "massively powerful", all while trying to work out if the scrolls might block or track and whether the traveler has received them and used them. Also, the redirector role is very typical in Queen Tellia's games. You are fishy. The fishiest of fishy. My vote stands for now. I don't disagree with decisive action, my gripe was that you broadcast your intentions giving a potential scum (who in this case turned out to be Araveea) the ability to start something that will likely be a bandwagon, and thus the excuse "But I voted first so I'm not scum!". It matters less now, I guess. Your post sent me on a rollercoaster. Really, Nerrio could learn something from your reply, but I cannot understand you backtracking on lynching today, just because I pointed out you were against it on day one. And then this I can agree with. But then... why split the vote further? And why point to someone who has just been relatively more vocal to say they've been quiet? I get that on post count she's not said much (and technically I've said less I think, this post might change that) but anyway, it seems a bit arbitrary. If you're wanting to get her talking, well, she's already talking. So do you actually want her lynched, or do you just want to split the vote further so there's no lynch? So yeah, rollercoaster. Even though we live under the sea.

If I had pants, I think I'd need new ones This post grates a little. I don't see how you can "see our night actors being successful"? It is entirely plausible that some ridiculous 'everyone's actions cancelled everyone else's out' thing occurred, or that a few people decided to stay home, or we don't have many night actions (minimum was two and Ronnan might have had one) to even do anything. And then you do the whole "sudden realisation while typing", which always looks fake, and now you're saying that at day three we can finally start lynching - you were the biggest champion for not lynching on day one. All of this post just seems off to me. Luxxon wasn't the only one to reply to Zannder saying they doubted the scum would skip a kill (including Scabowee-wah, in fairness) and I agree. There is no benefit to them that I can see, and as others have said, we are already confused. Zannder isn't the only one trying to sell the idea that the scum are screwing with us: Nerrio is suggesting that the vig or anyone), not just the scum, might have stayed home to throw us off. Not sure what it was we would have been thrown off of, but I can't fathom why the vig (that I'm not even convinced exists) would want to throw us off anything. This was also after Luxxon had already pointed out that there might be other reasons for no kill, and when challenged Nerrio just said he was throwing some thoughts out there. Thoughts that had already been discussed. And then there's this: You think that "tracker, blocker, etc scrolls" aren't massive powerful things? They're fairly major night actions and could have a serious impact I'd have thought. Are you just fishing here (no pun intended)? If you signal what you're going to do like that, it makes it really easy for someone else who might be scum, like Araveea in this case, to just jump in and vote first with a "sigh, yeah, heavy heart, I agree" who can then later point and say "yes but I cannot possibly be scum because I voted first and scum never do that". Just saying. I don't like where we are, and I don't like how this vote is going, with nobody else seemingly even willing to examine other citizens. I'm not happy to vote for someone just for mechanical reasons. It feels like I'm not alone in thinking Eeyara might be innocent, and I worry at how easy it is for everyone to just follow this path. I fully agree we have to lynch, and I also agree we have to move on from all this, but it shouldn't stop us from continuing to analyze others. For now I'm going to Vote: Nerrio for all the guff he said earlier. The book-keeping is calming down, so I should hopefully be able to keep a closer eye on these spreadsheets.

I'm not reading anything into anything, and I'm not accusing you of anything, so cool your jets. I did think your logic was weird, and I was pointing it out. You remembered that the scum recruit the traitor by using the kill action on the traitor, a fact, yes indeed, and I wrongly said opinion, apologies. You then suggested the scum used that kill/ convert action on Night Zero, yet Prochillaxeroos said the town were only getting their roles Day One. I was saying that I don't believe the scum would have been able to use an ability (kill/convert), before anyone in the Town has even received a night action. You find it interesting that the character to kill Ronnan was the killer for hire? The killer for hire who said he worked for both teams? I know Day One was a while ago and all, and I suppose you could try to argue that there are no clues in the pictures, but I don't think this is a clue so much as an actual definitive statement from Prochillaxeroos. People will only vote to lynch you if you look and act scummy. Which is what you're doing right now. So because I won't do your thinking for you you think you've "called me out"? Oh please, and, oh my, I haven't responded within a relatively short space of time. It's not like this is a busy time of year for coin counting, book balancing and other alliterative actions related to money or anything. Financial fine-tuning and fiduciary finessing, there we go. A recall could indeed happen any night (except Zero), I agree with that. I've added some emphasis myself in the quote directly above. The tracker: would have to know they were tracking a gorgon (how could they?) and know that the gorgon was using kill/recruit (rather than block, and they can't know that) and know that the target is the traitor and that the traitor isn't protected etc. The watcher would be more reliable (because you could rule out protection of the target by another, as they'd be seen also, and blocking, as then the gorgon wouldn't be seen), but they'd still need to know that the person they're watching is the traitor, that the gorgon is a gorgon, and they're not blocking/tracking/rolecopping etc. There's a whole load of things trackers and watchers would have to know, and I would seriously hope that if they actually knew who the gorgons and/or traitors were that they'd just tell us instead of leaving them to murder and/or recruit at night just so they can track them or watch their target. This is not to say that tracking/watching results aren't worth testing, but that there's a whole load more stuff to consider, and you won't know for sure at all. As to the other ways we might know about gorgons recalling traitors, well, I'll leave that to your own research. I would be very happy to vote for Marwyyn again today, and will do if needed for a lynch. She has steadied herself since yesterday; possibly a team-mate had a word in her ear? But I still have the same issues as yesterday. Today, though, I will Vote: Araveea. Yesterday you were so sharp and yet today you are so flat; I think you are deliberately sowing the seeds of discord.

The beginning of your post is you agreeing with other people's opinions that the kill action likely recalls the traitor. The end of your post you suggest the scum used you originally posited recall action on Night Zero. Night Zero? Really? They get to use an action that you've now agreed doesn't work that way before the town roles even get sent out? I'm not convinced you thought that through. Those are absolutely not the only ways, and those ways wouldn't even be in any way conclusive. Then you presumed wrong, darling. Gas is not a "bowel movement". Still, either way, the point stands. I agree.

Yes, it would break rule 12, so why are you even commenting on it, let alone have it be the first thing you say today? Is that what you think or are you just asking a question? And what did those bowel movements (I assume you mean movements) produce? I think you're confusing quantity and quality. What do you think? I think it's because he was quiet and less likely to be protected or watched, but might also have the bonus of having some kind of power role, or the bonus of being the traitor lying relatively low. The amount of WIFOM surrounding scum killing town because they voted for [scum or town] makes it difficult for me to believe the scum would try to engineer us to think that either were the case, unless they were going to try to push one of those as a reason themselves in the day thread. I agree with Tameekys that we should worry about a night with no kills, but the scum might consider not killing for a night to fool us, although I doubt that, for the reasons Tameekys stated (that using the action is a win-win for them). Who knows about other killing roles, but considering how worried people were about lynching yesterday, I would assume (or at least hope) that any vig out there would stay home until really necessary.

Out of interest, what would have been more useful topics to discuss, in your opinion? We have to vote, I see that as a good thing. If we don't vote, we don't show our opinions, and voting is not the same as lynching. If we all keep to ourselves then nothing will ever change except, our numbers will dwindle as we all die. Our vote is our weapon. I will Vote: Marwyyn. Marwyyn you seemed very concerned with trying to encourage people not to pass on any scrolls they might receive, and more interested than most in how the whole system worked, it seemed to me. With that, you also were a very negative..... negative narwhal, concerned with endgame chaos and sea-monkey wrenches being thrown into finely honed plans that are ridiculously far from being made, given that it's only day one. You asked, almost desperately, for opinions, but didn't give any yourself. It's just a vote, but you get mine.