Luxxon

Thanks for letting me play!

Vote: Zandder He has to be the last scum. @Araveea, you gave us Coralaaze, which is all but confirmed town in my books. @Nancy, we know what inventions the scum inventor would be given, and that doesn't line up with what I understand you have been handing out. There is no reason to believe you are not the town inventor, and that the role was given to you as a result of scum picking that as one of their abilities. @Tameekys, my understanding is that you are all but cleared within the town block as a result of you receiving an invention from Nancy. I don't have the details around this, but I have no reason to doubt your towniness. @Eeyara, Coralaaze and Nerrio both voted for you on Day 3, when there was still plenty of time and before it was revealed that Coralaaze was scum. I really don't believe two scum would vote for another scum when it was not necessary, unless it was in a situation like Coralaaze where there were investigator results.

A block was my first thought, but I was only told that I was unsuccessful, not the reason why. I presumed it was scum.

I tried to protect Marwynn last night, but was unsuccessful. I also used a protection on Marwynn the previous night.

Vote: Cadd

@Hinckley, Sorry! Vote: Nerrio

True, I haven't shared much over the last few days. I have been keeping abreast of the discussion, but haven't really felt that I could contribute much that hasn't been said already. My own analysis hasn't really gone anywhere solid and, as has been pointed out a few times, I've had a number of blond moments. I'd like to put that down to being distracted by my music - lots of performances at this time of year. Anyway, I have been happy to follow the lead of those that I believe are more likely town than scum You pointed out my votes - I've previously stated my reasons for my votes on Day 1 and 2. I didn't have any reason to question Araveea's claim yesterday that Coralaaze was scum. While we rarely have 100% certainty, I was happy to vote on that basis. My vote yesterday would otherwise have been Nerrio. Not really sure what would have been gained by pointing that out yesterday while voting for Coralaaze. In the interest of fully sharing of my opinions on the remaining people at this point: Town: Araveea (gave us Coralaaze), Nancy (confirmed inventor, in thread) Town?: Cadd (just gut feel, as I stated previously in Day 1 or Day 2 thread), Marwynn (see below) ?: Eeyara, Scabowee-wah, Tameekys*, Zandder (these I don't have a good feel for one way or the other) Scum?: Nerrio * He may be moved to "Scum?" based on discussion in the thread today. I agree that there have been quite a few posts that have had limited substance, but on balance I think her level of activity has been more town than scum. While she pissed me off by the way she came at me on Day 1, I really don't think scum would be so loud and obnoxious on Day 1. She has continued to post and poke, albeit less aggressively, which I think is helpful for trying to weed out the scum. And she appears to be working with the Traveler who she notes has claimed to be supporting town. This is pretty much why I will Vote: Nerrio. It feels like you have either just repeated or agreed with what others have said, sat on the fence with one leg either side ready to jump, or thrown things out there to create confusion. There was also the whole thing around persisting with the argument that scum stayed home when it had been dismissed by quite a few people.

The list of possible abilities that scum started with was given to us at the start of Night 0. This list didn't include anything that would provide for a redirection. This suggests that, if they do or did have a redirection, they either received it as an invention from you (which I presume not given your post) or through the traveler. To finish my point, I think it more likely that Nerrio was just doing more to throw confusion on things than scum having a redirection ability.

Nice that we have finally made some progress! Not particularly surprised. Can you share more?

Vote: Coralaaze

It feels an awful lot like its still Day 1. I doubt they would miss an opportunity for a kill, so they either did or were blocked, or their target protected, .. I have been leaving open the possibility that we have a vig, but given the results so far, I'm starting to think we don't. Good idea. *Heads off to find the granny.

I can think of a couple of reasons. Using the kill to recall the traitor carries little risk in that they can't accidentally kill their third team mate, but it also relies on them targeting the right person for the kill. The Gorgon traitor could be lynched before they manage to kill and recall him or her. The recall traitor ability would allow them to recall their team mate at an earlier stage in the game. If I remember correctly, there was a story published recently where a horse, or was a person with a horse head, did exactly this. He was thrown into the pit with the giant spiders for being inactive and turned out to be scum. Also, Marwyn questioned Eeraya about her being certain there was a vig out there. She hasn't responded to this, but to me it would seem that she would be pretty certain if she were scum and they weren't responsible for Ronnan's death. So, Unvote: Scabowee-wah. Vote: Eeyara.

I'd also like to know why she thinks so. Thanks. The flute is often a misunderstood instrument, but it can be used create to such beautiful melodies.

Vote: Scabowee-wah. Just a poke at this stage since we haven't heard from the jelly blob yet today.

The beginning of my post was me acknowledging that I had forgotten that the scum killing the traitor results in the traitor being recalled. The traitor being recalled by a scum kill action does result in the traitor being recalled. It is not an opinion, it is a fact written in our Night Zero rules. At the end I say they "may" have used a recall action. Where did I agree that what action doesn't work? I think you are reading something into my post that just isn't there - the points I was making were that there are a range of potential explanations or reasons for the number of kills we have in a night and that we don't know if scum have or have not recruited already.

Sorry. Looks like I had a blond moment. Or we see one kill by a townie or the traveller, and we don't see the other because it results in the traitor being recalled. So in theory, the recall could have happened last night, right? I don't think we can necessarily assume the night with no kills is when they've got the traitor back in their fold. There are other reasons why there may be a lack of kills on any one night. And they may have chosen to pick and use the Recall Traitor ability during Night Zero.

I doubt scum would want to kill someone that they can potentially recall into their team. Ronnan was quiet in that he only posted a few times. I think it more likely that he was killed by scum for potentially being a PR. There was only one kill overnight. With this many masters here, we could be expected to have a town vig and a scum killer. So, was the other kill blocked or his/her intended victim protected? Or do we not have a town vig?

Based on this, I see there being three factions: Oceanides, Gorgons and Neutral. I appreciate that the Traitor is technically not part of the scum team until (or if) he or she gets recalled. I still think of him or her as a Gorgon, albeit in waiting. I'm sorry, but how is this not you suggesting that Cadd (whose post you are referring to) might be a Traitor trying to signal to the Gorgons? And if this is about the technicality of a Traitor being a Gorgon or not, then see my comment above. The above call for views on whether or not to lynch was followed by the following posts: So, two posts about the scrolls, then three that are arguable meaningless. So that statement that "This just isn't true at all." ... Actually, it is very much true - you called for opinions on whether to lynch or not. You gave views, but not on the thing that you were asking us to provide our opinions on. It is after this point that you actually give us a view on whether or not to lynch: I'm two dumb to understand what your on about hear. I'm not looking for an easy lynch. My preference is for no lynch on Day 1. You would know this if you had read my post responding to you asking whether or not we should lynch today. As I said above, at the point the vote was cast, you had not provided an opinion on whether or not we should lynch someone. So, at that time it was fully true. It is also possible for two (or even more) people to come to the same views on someone's behaviour. I'd also like to point out that the part about you not providing an opinion was one common element in the three reasons provided by Nancy and the two reasons provided by me. To say I seemingly copied Nancy's reason is, well, just isn't true at all. Are you not twisting my words here? I was questioning Marwynn about whether or not she was casting suspicion on you. I don't believe I said at any point that "Marwynn said Cadd is a Gorgon". And for the record, I don't believe you are either. You make a good point. There was no deliberate "misconstrual".

Yes, as a Gorgon. Are you suggesting then that he is not Gorgon?

Vote: Marwyyn It's Day one, so I don't feel there is much to go on. But, it's been a while since you made this statement and I'm keen to hear your views. This earlier post also caught my eye because she was casting suspicion on Cadd quite early. I thought this was a bold statement to make at that point and I read this as sowing the seed for a lynch candidate that would be an easy one for others to follow.

The way I read the rules, I assumed that our host would do the passing on. I would consider the nature of the scroll first - I don't think we want to be handing something like a one-shot kill, for example, to someone whose win condition we don't know. No lynch. There's not enough information to even make an educated guess.

So keen and we haven't said boo yet. Must be one of the Gorgons. I also prefer a spreadsheet over paper. Does that make me young or just sprightly? I'd like one of those.

Hi all. Luxxon, Master of Music, here. This situation is going to be fodder for a fine new ballad me thinks.