TotallyNewLegoFan

Based on your past comments on the subject it's obvious you posted the con side because you agree with it, which is fine. Though there is something to be said for being fair and objective on a topic and presenting all sides. Exactly, you don't know how genuine my experience is/was. I agree with you that people are smart enough to see things for what they are and for making their own decisions. However, I believe they should be able to do so without being bullied to agree or not agree with the majority or minority. What a silly thing for you to say.

In all fairness, shouldn't both links pro and con be included on SDCC exclusives?

You have no idea what you are taking about :iamded_lol: . It would behoove you to get your facts straight before making false accusations against someone. Your "guess", (accusation), is 100% wrong. Everything I have posted about my first time experiences with LEGO during San Diego Comic Con 2014 on this forum is 100% accurate. I can back up everything I have said. The only thing "odd" are your obnoxious comments regarding me. Want to say something true about me, fine. Say something untrue about me, not fine. *Edited for spacing. Oh and want to "check" if that's true, then ask the mods to show this response before I edited it .

That is a very good question . The topic would make for a very interesting debate/discussion . I imagine the answer(s) given would depend on a few things. Who the question is presented to, and who is supplying the answer(s).

Nobody is perfect of course. However, LEGO and every company in the world do have to adhere to business law and practices. It's not just about "a few people planning on making $$$". Re read what I said. It's much deeper than that. You can add the people who could not attend past cons who paid the high price of those selling. Should they be penalized for wanting their fig or set? Many people complain about those selling them for whatever price but let's remember one thing: Nobody forces anyone to pay anything for an item. The market determines price. I disagree. If LEGO re release advertised exclusive, limited items, they would possibly be violating business and advertising law as well as damage LEGO's trust, credibility, and word. All of which would go down the drain. Understandable. However, nobody forces you to do so. The second people STOP paying exorbitant, after market prices is the day it stops. Sadly, I doubt that will happen and I don't think the solution is to try to force others from buying or winning exclusives just because some people are upset they couldn't acquire the item(s). I don't believe that's a fair and equitable solution. Pre order can be your friend . *Edited for spelling.

Thanks for the comments fred67 it's interesting hearing everyone's views. For me, the exclusives (the sets they were selling initially, and also a shot at winning a minifig at the contest) are what attracted me back to LEGO from a kid as a now adult. I have to sadly say the exclusives for purchase set up were done rather poorly at the LEGO booth. On Saturday and Sunday LEGO was both deceptive and unethical (no other words for it) in their behavior. I won't rehash what happened (see my original post for details,) but there were definitely shenanigans going on both by LEGO mainly, as well as a few "dealers" in line who were supposed to be regular con attendees. As for the minifig contest give away, I felt that was run fairly well (though making fans wait outside in the hot sun wasn't the most fan friendly thing). I didn't notice anybody (fans or LEGO) pulling a fast one, which is good. I did hear LEGO ended the line early even though they still had a box full of figs still left. That seems a bit odd. Where did the figs go and why didn't more fans have the opportunity to win them? As for people either winning a fig or buying a LE set and then later selling them via Ebay, etc. While I don't want to pay some crazy price for anything I can understand (to a degree, and if the person bought/won their item legitimately without cheating or early access, etc), someone selling them for as much as they can get. It costs time and money to attend an event and those that do spend hours and hours waiting on line. So I understand (though don't like) their doing so. It's pretty simple in that when people buy something they want to pay as little as possible, but when they sell something they want as much as possible. That's commerce and human nature. Doing so unethically and dishonestly is what bugs me. This is such an emotional subject and I understand both sides of the topic. Whether collectible or a subject, we all have different things we are into and passionate about. It's totally reasonable to want something and to feel upset or annoyed when we don't get it. Case in point, the limited LEGO sets you could purchase (with a voucher/ticket) at SDCC. I did the line thing 4 days (or was it all 5?, lol, it is all a blur now with all the time spent on line), and while I didn't get their early enough the first few times, I was there early enough to have received said vouchers Sat and Sun. If it weren't for LEGO's sneakiness and unethical behavior those days I would have. One set to open, one to keep closed. In spite of that I wouldn't tell LEGO to stop making them just because I didn't get them the first two days, I would though definitely tell them not to play dishonest games with customers the way they did those two days of the con. As I said in an earlier post, LEGO might look into having a limited pre sales as does Mattel and a few other vendors at Comic Con. Set aside say 25% of stock so anyone who cannot attend the con has a chance to purchase them online. Of course that will also cause complaints (I don't own a PC, my PC is slow, there are too little to sell, it's not fair, etc). I'm not saying none of those complaints are not valid, but it's impossible to do it in a perfect way to please everyone. What LEGO shouldn't do is go back an re issue anything they already released as an exclusive, limited item at Comic Con or anywhere else. That would seriously damage their reputation, credibility, and honesty with toy fans in general, as well as the LEGO customers who spent their time, effort, and money to attend the convention and spend at the LEGO store. LEGO might possibly, and I am saying possibly, also be violating certain truth in advertising laws by doing so too. I think pre order might be a partial viable solution to satisfy both sides of the coin .

Uh oh, an exclusive... Do you know how many are being made by LEGO? Also curious how this is different than the "only at San Diego Comic Con 2014" Star Wars ship and figure was (was in line for it 4 days, no chance of getting it the first two days (my fault for not going early enough), however LEGO was deceitful, the last two days of the show, and I and many others, who had low line numbers and should have got a set, didn't) . Is only the minifig different? I wonder how LEGO can say the SDCC 2014 set was exclusive to SDCC since it looks like the ship is exactly the same. Hmmm.

Do your parents know you are using their PC? .

I wasn't aware my posting (an invited posting by a mod to start my own "pro exclusive" thread) opinion and experiences was "gasoline" or "entertainment". It is interesting you did not add anything to the discussion however, which to me, more represents "bringing gasoline to a fire". Thank you for your input RM, however I don't see how attacking my views on the subject adds to it. You don't have to agree with why someone believes exclusives can be a good thing. Calling the examples given "cruddy", doesn't appear to be a constructive way of sharing why you agree or not agree with the reasons stated. I'd also like you to know I could care less if agf is mad at me or not. I don't know him and could care less. SG. My experiences with LEGO at SDCC were/are real. Some people may have had similar experiences others not. Lets try to stick to the subject matter of this thread in a mature, adult way. I'm surprised how difficult that is for some of you.

The word "product" has more than one definition. One definition of "product" is: a thing produced by labor. The LEGO minfigs are created for a give away/contest for promotion/marketing purposes and do not have to be "sold" to qualify as product. They are products. Nonsense. I am not "railing" about anything. Just giving my view on a topic. Also, you have "no idea" regarding what I "know" and "do not know". Your putting spin on terminology used in my thread and other people's comments in other threads is pointless and serves no propose other than to try and unsuccessfully deflect what the average person fully comprehends we are talking about. Additionally, repeating what you consider "not product" over and over does not make your statement any more accurate. I do agree with you that LEGO has no obligation to anyone, other than to LEGO and its shareholders. That's pretty obvious. However, advertising a contest/promotion/give away (free or otherwise), with rules/statements included in the fine print, do have to abide by multiple state laws. Can LEGO or anyone else basically say how their contest/promotion is run? Yes, but they do have to adhere to those laws. To be fair, lets say LEGO does not have to adhere to any laws governing giveaways/contests. To clarify, the minifig "promotion" was a contest and not something just handed out to everyone who walked by LEGO until they ran out. LEGO employees scanned your badge and you had an approximately 50/50 chance to "win" said figure. I would imagine that most companies, including LEGO, care about their reputation with their public/customer base. That in and of itself is reason for LEGO to adhere to rules it lists, as well as statements it makes publicly regarding contests and or sales of items. If you read my entire "Open Letter to LEGO", you would have realized I also mentioned the three exclusive, limited edition sets they were selling as part of my comments. Not that I believe there should a difference in behaving ethically and decently regarding customers depending on whether the company is running a contest or selling an item. Either way, there are points and feelings on both side, pro and con, concerning limited editions/exclusives at Comic Con. I don't believe however that those with differing views should attack or insult each other for their feelings, interpretations, or observations. Makes you wonder what? Sadly, most of what you said is true. Though you would think that all companies would care about their customer base, because as you said, it is about profit.

Why can't LEGO or any other company or person make original and interesting exclusive products once in a while? Thanks. I'm not sure to be honest. Would I have given LEGO a good portion of my time if they were available any old time? No way. Would I make a special trip next time to LEGO (or any other manufacturer) to spend my money on a common, everyday item? No again. Is it a little extra special owning something that's different or a bit more creative from the norm, original, limited, etc. Yes it is. Wanted to add. Do I think LEGO ran their sales booth well? No freaking way. What they did Saturday and Sunday was underhanded, sneaky, and possibly illegal (false advertising). Is the world going to end because of it, or is it important in the grand scheme of life? Of course not. Do I understand it stinks not getting something you want? Sure do. Wish I had gotten the Batman, Collector, and the 3 limited sets to purchase, yet I say again, I feel that doesn't give me or anyone else the right to demand LEGO shouldn't make them. I mean I spent time, money, and part of my day trying to win and buy them was not happy about winning or the nonsense LEGO pulled Saturday and Sunday. Yet, I don't want LEGO to stop doing the exclusives. LEGO totally failed with the purchased exclusive sets, IMO. Something is definitely fishy about that. LEGO has been asked about it on the net and so far, not one response.

If you want be goofy about it then knock yourself out . Let's add to your comment above: Are you saying those who have access to food, water, and condiments shouldn't be allowed to consume them? Anyway, there is no need for being snide, nastiness or fighting. Having different views and sides to things is good and I have no problem with it. While attending any convention or taking any trip is usually not a free thing. I don't think those that choose and attend them should be penalized because someone else either doesn't want to or can't attend. Hey I didn't win a Batman or Collector but I am not telling LEGO not to make them just because I didn't win one. That would be pretty selfish and self centered. I didn't go to CC for anything LEGO. Seeing the exclusive LEGO Comic Con items whose designs I liked, attracted me to their product. Taking that away because some can't or don't want to go is a bad business decision in my opinion. Some very original and cool products come out because of any company doing exclusives. Comic Con has many of them.

Nice you agree with me, though of course you don't have to . I am amazed you believe you know how much it cost me to attend the event. You are wrong however. I believe anyone/everyone is free to do as they please unless incarcerated. I am not saying everyone has the funds, vacation time, desire to travel or attend the convention, only that they are free to do so. Not editing anything .

Excuse me? Listen pal if you think I am going to take your harassment you are sadly mistaken. You made a post that complained about the subject and asked for opinions. I and others responded. Then you get nasty with anyone who did not share the same opinion as you. a mod had to step in for Pete sake. I say to the mod it's all good, then you say .You couldn't resist could you? Try keeping your word. Anyway, the same mod suggested I post my own thread why I think it's a good thing to have limited and exclusive items which I did here. So, to satisfy (not that I have to) your "curiosity", I would like to point out this is the only thread I posted about why I believe limited exclusives are fine. The system here double posted and I instructed the mods to delete another post which is blank by the way.

Unfortunately the same things are not available to everyone no matter what the item. While what you say could be true, there are plenty of products and contests not available in my hometown, state, and country that I can't access,buy, or win. I am not happy about it but stopping it is not the answer. Additionally, I suggested a limited pre order as well .

Dear LEGO Group, I am a new fan of LEGO due to my recent attendance of the 2014 San Diego Comic Con and Lego having excellent limited edtion merchandise and minifigures. I am writing to you regarding the SDCC Exclusive Minifigures. This "Exclusive" system attracted my attention to the amazing creations of Lego. I did not attend San Diego Comic Con 2014 because of Lego, but after seeing your exclusive limited edition items I became interested in Lego. Thank you for creating them . This system of distribution was extremely fair on at least five levels: 1) Everyone has the opportunity and choice to attend Comic Con which makes the chance of purchasing or winning an exclusive minifig very fair. I thank you for that. 2) The fact that the SDCC Exclusive Minifigures never gets released into general circulation can mean more new, potential Lego customers and fans (myself being one) may be attracted to Lego on various levels. Releasing limited and exclusive products also gives people a chance at items that are not released later and may never see the light of day. Another great thing for fans of Lego and Lego the company. 3) The net effect is that the limited availability for your cool minifigures (already scarce to begin with) is to get more people interested in Lego and also make current Lego fans more excited. Great job! 4) This ends up rewarding the LEGO fans worldwide since anyone is free to attend the convention to possibly win a free, exclusive, and limited Lego creation just for attending the con and visiting the LEGO booth! Nice . Fans can also purchase the limited edition sets LEGO create each year. 5) For "completists" or collectors who wish to have every mini-figure of a certain line the choice is simple: 1) Attend Comic Con, have a great vacation, meet other old and new Lego fans, and have the opportunity to acquire something special you will always cherish. SUGGESTED SOLUTIONS 1) Make your limited editions and exclusives a bit more limited and actually exclusive in that they are different from any figure released possibly later to the general public. That way, they are truly special and attract people to your booth during the convention. 2) NEVER rotate all of these minifigures into general circulation through future sets (even if it 1 or 2 years down the road). Doing this will not only upset true the collecting AFOL (Adult Fans of Lego) who spend a lot of money on collectible Lego, it may also prevent new AFOL who only collect rare and limited figures form even bothering visiting your LEGO booth. Also, releasing limited, and exclusive items later on to the general public is fraudulent as they would no longer be special, limited, and exclusive as advertised by LEGO, which could further alienate collectors. 3) In addition to 2), perhaps TLG can offer (in due time -- or even alongside the events) the minifigures in a limited pre- sale with only a certain amount available for purchase.. As some of the replies have suggested on various LEGO fan forums, many companies offer Limited edition, and exclusive SDCC items via a limited pre-order. [FINAL THOUGHTS] My main message to the LEGO Group is simply this: currently, the SDCC "Exclusive" system has left a lot of your loyal and new customers feeling "excited" and even more interested in the Lego brand. However LEGO does need to SERIOUSLY IMPROVE in one subject: TICKET DISTRIBUTION AT THE LEGO SALES BOOTH TO PURCHASE LIMITED EDITION and EXCLUSIVE LEGO SETS: The only negative thing I experienced visiting the LEGO SALES Booth this, my first year at LEGO at SDCC, was the rude behavior and treatment by a few LEGO employees towards fans lined up each morning to purchase one of the three limited edition sets. Two employees. a young, thin, and tall Caucasian male, and a shorter, older heavier, and balding Caucasian male, were a bit condescending and callous which was uncalled for. I waited on line both Saturday and Sunday and the LEGO Sales Booth was run horribly. I was about number 60 or 70 in line and was assured one ticket of each LE set as LEGO advertised they were handing out to 200-250 people per day of the convention. After standing in line at the LEGO Booth for about 15 min someone at LEGO decided to REVERSE THE LINE, making the back the front and the front the back. This made me over number 200 in line and I got no tickets to purchase my sets. NOT RIGHT OR ETHICAL LEGO. On Sunday I was on line even earlier outside waiting to get in and was about number 40 in line at the LEGO STORE BOOTH and LEGO STOPPED at about number 20-35 saying they "ran out of LE items to sell". This appears to be a LIE as LEGO ADVERTISED they were selling 200-250 sets PER DAY. WHAT HAPPENED TO THE OTHER STOCK? Other than the above inexcusable and dishonest behavior by LEGO I think doing Exclusive. Limited editions is a great idea and hope LEGO continues to do so. If they didn't why even bother spending money, time, and hours on line for something anyone can buy anytime? Thank you for listening. From a new LEGO fan.

It's all good Superkalle. Thanks for the response . Some very good observations Vassal .

Listen GF I will try one more time, after that I see no point in providing the same information repeatedly. Sorry GF, but the links (you weren't "charged" with anything) provided are not baseless. One thread is about stealing mini figures (not even close to your posted comments there), and the second threads original author said: I will give you that his initial post gave you the springboard to post your response, yet you did re post your writing to Lego bit there which is a form of hijacking. You said Honestly GF you are coming off like a politician who is presented with examples of comments he/she makes only to spin or parse their comments later. Again with the inaccurate, paranoid comments. There were/are no "tactics" trying to "undermine" you or a "position". Only observations, opinion, and some facts. I said from the very start I joined this forum to provide my experiences and feelings on the Lego Comic Con exclusives subject since I attended San Diego Comic Con 2014, no secret there or "targeting" you and your thread involved. Why the manufactured drama? GF, you have done the "everyone is attacking me" bit in a few of your other threads. Please don't attach that with me or my observations. I did not and am not attacking anyone. I just provided my opinion on the subject and what my experiences were at Comic Con as a first time Lego buyer. Believe me I wasn't happy getting screwed by Lego waiting in line for the 3 exclusive sets the last 2 days of the con, that was wrong. The exclusive give a ways however were run well and I spent the time in line and took my chances to win one and luckily did so twice. Do I like that people take items won or purchased at any convention and ask ridiculous prices for them later? Of course not. But they have every right to. Nobody is forcing anyone to buy anything. Actually, though I am not happy to admit it, it's understandable someone trying to recoup all of the money spent on attending a con, a well as waiting in line by selling something that they bought or won at the show. Anyway, have differing views and opinions on the matter are fine with me. Accusing people of conspiracy theories, etc. is not however. It adds nothing to the debate. I wish you no ill will and it's fine if we don't totally see eye to eye. *Edited to correct formatting, which is horrible with IE for some reason, lol.

You "guessed" wrong. Definition of thread hijacking from various online publicly available sources: ""Hijacking a thread" refers to behavior that when someone comes into a thread conversation (usually after more than a few posts have been made to a thread) and focuses on one tiny aspect of the original poster's topic, and moves the entire thread off-topic by replying to just that one aspect. or to focus more on a new topic presented in the new posters comment." You have done this a few times in different threads here. Sure, no problem. Also, your "feeling" about waiting a long time is incorrect too ;). Are 2 different threads not started by you and not specifically about your complaining (your right of course to complain) about SDCC exclusives being bad proof enough for you? They're your words and posts so they should be sufficient. http://www.eurobrick...ic=68795&st=125 Post #130 http://www.eurobrick...opic=98140&st=0 Post #5 Good for you. I never said otherwise. Having different views on subjects is a normal part of life. Based on some of your posts on the matter it appears you take issue with those that do not subscribe to your way of thinking. You are free to (and should), feel however you wish, nobody is stopping you. However, let me make one thing clear, you don' speak for me. Nor will I allow you to attribute something untrue about me. See your quote below: I am not the "thought police" and never attempted to "dictate when and how you speak your mind". Happy collecting :).

As long as the exclusive is truly an exclusive, meaning, different pain-job or design, I'm all for putting Comic Con 20** on an exclusive item. However, just slapping Comic Con 20** on the same exact item or figure to be released later publicly is not cool. You want the same figure, go to Comic Con, or whatever convention an exclusive is at. To be even more fair, taking into account those that cannot go for whatever reason, release a different version (different paint-job/color/style) of the figure publicly. I'm not confusing anything. It isn't "clear" that those complaining have a "far better case". Maybe you feel that way which is your right, but please don't speak for others. The view as to who is right is very subjective ;). Either way, both "sides" have views that are valid up to a point. I wasn't aware it was a contest as to whose side is "better". Again, a subjective opinion. On another note. Why are you hijacking multiple threads on this forum with the same comments you made here in your own thread? Wouldn't it better serve you to keep your comments in one, organized thread? Especially one you started on the subject?

DItto...

You seriously need to stop hijacking other people's threads with your own agenda.... 2 things. First. People should be 100% sure before accusing someone of a felony. If he stole them, arrest him definitely. Until then I would be very careful accusing people of crimes on a hunch and not fact based. Second. Haste to break the news to you joda, but handful's of eBay auctions are listed before ANY Comic Con toys/collectibles are available. Anyone can do it. It's called a pre order and eBay allows it. Those foolish enough to bid and pay for things not actually in hand are fools who end up paying too much. You seriously need to STOP hijacking other people's threads dude.

Do you really encourage a fair and open discussion? You also said this in your original comment with the above: I just joined here today to share my feelings on the subject. Lego, as any company has the right to market and sell their products as they see fit. Consumers have the right to agree or disagree with all or part of said companies decisions and or actions vocally and or with their money. I attended this years San Diego Comic Con and spent a lot of money to do so. Airfare, hotel, rent a car, con tickets, food. Not for Lego or any manufacturer, but to enjoy the con and have fun. Before the show I checked out the "exclusives" for all the of the manufacturers on the con floor and thought "hey this is cool" for various items so I made plans to try to purchase the items I was interested in. One of those companies was Lego. I am in no way as schooled or as "into" Lego per se as the majority of the members here or on any other forum I imagine. I just thought some of the Lego "exclusives" were interesting. They made be become interested in Lego for the first time as an adult. I like "Star Wars", the classic 66 series "Batman", and was becoming interested in "Guardians of the Galaxy", so I thought the Lego items were worth getting in line for each morning. I also heard about the "free giveaway" and that they were also "exclusive, limited, San Diego Comic Con only figures" and wanted to give them a try too. So very early Thursday morning I lined up outside to get into the con floor. We were let in about 9 am (the show opened 30 min early every day of the con), and by the time I got to the Lego booth it was too late. All tickets were given away to purchase the 3 exclusives for the day. Oh well I said, I will try Fri. I then went upstairs outside to try to get in the line for the first giveaway by Lego and while I could have gotten in line, it was way too hot and long a line for me to bother so i went back to the con and had fun on the floor. I tried again Friday as well (both the Lego Store/Booth Line and outside raffle) with the same negative results. On Saturday I decided to get in line a little earlier and lo and behold I was about number 60 or 70 in the Lego Store line and was all set to receive my 3 tickets to purchase the 3 exclusives. However, after waiting about 15 min in line Lego employees decided do something sleazy and unethical. They literally reversed the line after everyone was lined up and waiting making the end the front and the other side (the original front) the end. They said it was to prevent dealers who got in early from being at the front of the line but 2 things make that statement invalid. 1.) Anyone with a dealer pass in line was taken out of the line an unable to purchase, and 2.) Being say number 40, 50, 60 or more is not the front of the line. Anyway I, and other convention goers were very upset by this but the Lego employees (especially an extremely tall, thin, younger Caucasian guy and a short, heavier, older balding Caucasian guy were pretty rude about it). After this fiasco put on by Lego, I and a few others went immediately outside, upstairs to try for the free exclusive giveaway. As it was so early we were like number 30 in that line and we had to wait about 2 hours before we had a shot at winning the exclusive figure for Saturday, the Batman figure. Shock of all shocks I won it. It slightly made up for what happened earlier but not quite, though I was fortunate to have won it :). On Sunday, I tried once more for the 3 exclusives and was even earlier on line and was about number 40 on the Lego booth line and guess what happened? Lego STOPPED giving out tickets after about the 20th or 30th person or so (and even then they only got tickets to buy 1 or 2 of the exclusives, not all 3 as was advertised by Lego, as 200, or was it 250? sets or all 3 were to be sold PER DAY). Everyone on line was freaking out asking where are the other 150-200 sets, etc and Lego staff said "we ran out", which appears to a be a flat out lie according to their public announcements on what was to be sold each day. So again, I went upstairs to wait outside for 2 hours to try for the last exclusive giveaway, the Unikitty and was about number 20 or 30 in line. Once again, I won a figure. I was like wow, they must have a ton of these to give out as I won one 2 days in a row. Ok, now the reason for the long detailed explanation about my experiences with Lego and their employees (most were nice, a few of the higher ups listed above were rude as hell),lines, and exclusives is this. I initially had no interest in Lego but the exclusives are what made me stand in line (my choice) for hours (then got screwed by Lego employees at their Lego Store no less). Owning something special, limited, and different is what attracted me to Lego. I liked the exclusives offered a lot (I could see many die hard Lego fans felt the same way). I was not mad about anything being exclusive or the low quantity(1000, numbered sets) of the 3 sets for sale. That is what got me excited for some reason. The rarity thing kicked in as well as me liking the designs. If the items were not limited or different than everyday Lego, why bother to put so much effort into something you could but at a toy store any day of the week? Now don't jump on me as I understand it might not matter to passionate, die hard Lego supporters and fans ;). however to me and many other collectors or fun and or cool things, owning something that's uncommon or different of which you get enjoyment from can make owning and enjoying it that much nicer. If Lego stops the unique, original, and different exclusives they definitely will lose a very large amount of new fans and old. Where can I send an email to Lego asking them to not stop having exclusives? Thanks :).

Hello, Joe here. I discovered Lego at this years San Diego Comic Con. The exclusives and exclusive mini fig giveaways got me hooked ;). Now on to saving my money for next year too!