The Forest II: Day One

[Scouty]

No, it doesn't really. You admit to being suspicious of Petey, yet you tried to subvert attention and suspicion from him?

Like I said, it was not my intention to subvert attention and suspicion from him. To add to that, my intention was to put attention to not only Petey, but to Gordon/Pennie, which a thought popped in my head that they may be taking advantage of Petey. I try to look at things on both sides of the coin and I'm blamed for subverting attention and suspicion. I'm sorry if I'm doing a poor job at keeping myself clear in my thought process.

You say you had trouble agreeing to lynch Petey, but at the time people were just applying pressure to him, in order to clear up or confirm the suspicion you and others have of him. I don't believe anybody had mentioned lynch nominations (save for Ernie's joke, and Pennies' suggestion of a random lynch) at that point in the day. Why would you prevent this?

I was thinking ahead and felt that people would go further from pushing to lynching. Petey has approached me in fear of this, so that may explain my bias of seemingly protecting him, but I really am trying to keep a balanced mind over both sides of the argument.

In my opinion, this whole argument has gotten out of hand over a stupid joke.

Unless... you really trying to get people to lynch and eat me instead!

Are you a fish? No? Then I wont eat you . Mmm, fish

[Scubacarrot]

So, wait, let me get this straight, people are going to vote for Petey Polar Bear because he made a joke about not taking lynching lightly? That's incredibly silly! Silly silly silly!

I think the people pushing on this and the people who are pushing discreetly are the ones we should be voting off today. Scum doesn't want to stick their necks out to get chopped off this early, but they also want bogus lynches like this to go through. Casey and Gordon - particularly Casey - would be good lynches. My manatee senses are tingling about these guys...

No, pay attention, no one has actually voted yet.

I think the Mouse is making a good point, Casey seems to stay on both sides of the fence. And excuse me for saying this, but it does matter what you SAY your intentions were, but what actually happened. Why do you want this to be over so soon, Casey? I for one find this whole discussion quite enlightening.

I meant that it does not matter, obviously.

[Eskallon]

I was thinking ahead and felt that people would go further from pushing to lynching. Petey has approached me in fear of this, so that may explain my bias of seemingly protecting him, but I really am trying to keep a balanced mind over both sides of the argument.

In my opinion, this whole argument has gotten out of hand over a stupid joke.

But why would Petey simply contact you to tell you he doesn't want people to go from pushing to lynching. How can he trust you more than us? (save you be a third party mason group or scum) Theres something fishy about him contacting you to say that and you just instantly believing him and being bias for him.

He must have told you something pretty important and have been silly enough to trust you in the first place? Care to share what this important thing is?

Why do you want this to be over so soon, Casey? I for one find this whole discussion quite enlightening.

Agreed Actually bringing some good insight into people, its proving to be rather productive.

[Scouty]

I think the Mouse is making a good point, Casey seems to stay on both sides of the fence. And excuse me for saying this, but it does matter what you SAY your intentions were, but what actually happened. Why do you want this to be over so soon, Casey? I for one find this whole discussion quite enlightening.

I meant that it does not matter, obviously.

I think saying what my intentions were does matter if it's to clear up a misconception. I wanted this to be over because I thought it was pretty stupid to start off with. Though, now at the tail end, I can see how everybody's reactions is providing a wealth of insight.

But why would Petey simply contact you to tell you he doesn't want people to go from pushing to lynching. How can he trust you more than us? (save you be a third party mason group or scum) Theres something fishy about him contacting you to say that and you just instantly believing him and being bias for him.

He must have told you something pretty important and have been silly enough to trust you in the first place? Care to share what this important thing is?

I think Petey contacted me in the first place because I was being level headed before. He saw I wasn't pressuring him, and so came to me for advice. I helped because that's the sort of person I am. Irregardless of his affiliation, there's hardly anything for me to go on for me turn down somebody asking for help. Nothing else was exchanged, no information. I advised him to keep calm, talk it out with you guys, and we ended the discussion there. That's the truth and I'm sure Petey can verify that.

[Professor Flitwick]

So, wait, let me get this straight, people are going to vote for Petey Polar Bear because he made a joke about not taking lynching lightly? That's incredibly silly! Silly silly silly!

Pardon? Who said that? Have you not being paying attention? Is it because you've been preparing the starter for when you eat me?

Uh hmm...

Mhmm.

Note to self: The Pig is making odd noises, possibly moans of delight as she thinks about eating me. Keep away from at all costs.

I think Petey contacted me in the first place because I was being level headed before. He saw I wasn't pressuring him, and so came to me for advice. I helped because that's the sort of person I am. Irregardless of his affiliation, there's hardly anything for me to go on for me turn down somebody asking for help. Nothing else was exchanged, no information. I advised him to keep calm, talk it out with you guys, and we ended the discussion there. That's the truth and I'm sure Petey can verify that.

Would you be able to tell us if Petey contacted you before or after he said this:

Gordon is right that Petey is acting a bit defensive, but I'm not sure if he's not just taking advantage of Petey here. It is at least something. Something better than going off of hairstyles in that one play we did.

Well, that was quick to hop onto his rickety wagon already. Seriously you guys, how is saying that lynching shouldn't be joked about even remotely considered defensive?

If Petey said this before he contacted you, then it seems odd he'd trust someone who he seems to think is against him (particularly after hearing your assumption that you think he didn't feel you were pressuring him). If it was after, then this town is weirder than I realised! Either that, or everyone's lust for my flesh is driving them insane.

[badboytje88]

I think Petey contacted me in the first place because I was being level headed before. He saw I wasn't pressuring him, and so came to me for advice. I helped because that's the sort of person I am. Irregardless of his affiliation, there's hardly anything for me to go on for me turn down somebody asking for help. Nothing else was exchanged, no information. I advised him to keep calm, talk it out with you guys, and we ended the discussion there. That's the truth and I'm sure Petey can verify that.

Humn it's a nice thing you did there sticking up for our neighbor and friend Petey. There are a lot of people in this town who wouldn't dare stick up for a fellow towns man. But this also draws attention to yourself. This leads me to think there are possible 4 scenarios:

- Petey is town and Casey, a fellow townie decides to stick up for him being the good person that she is.

- Petey is a bad guy and Casey, a fellow townie decides to stick up for him being the good person that she is.

- Petey is town and Casey is a bad guy, thinking it would look good for her reputation if she stuck up for a townie in distress. It would look especially good if the townie would get lynched and be confirmed as a townie.

- Petey is a bad guy and Casey, a fellow bad guy is trying to save his but from conviction, since Peteys megablocks isn't that far on the line. If it were to go wrong she could brush it of as having a bad judge of character.

[Scouty]

Would you be able to tell us if Petey contacted you before or after he said this:

He contacted me after saying that.

Humn it's a nice thing you did there sticking up for our neighbor and friend Petey. There are a lot of people in this town who wouldn't dare stick up for a fellow towns man. But this also draws attention to yourself. This leads me to think there are possible 4 scenarios:

- Petey is town and Casey, a fellow townie decides to stick up for him being the good person that she is.

- Petey is a bad guy and Casey, a fellow townie decides to stick up for him being the good person that she is.

- Petey is town and Casey is a bad guy, thinking it would look good for her reputation if she stuck up for a townie in distress. It would look especially good if the townie would get lynched and be confirmed as a townie.

- Petey is a bad guy and Casey, a fellow bad guy is trying to save his but from conviction, since Peteys megablocks isn't that far on the line. If it were to go wrong she could brush it of as having a bad judge of character.

Either way, it was stupid of me to remotely defend anybody on Day 1, since everybody is on edge with nothing to really turn to. Nobody should have a kind heart in these games...of life when we're all threatened with the possibility of death. I've seem to have forgotten that.

[Waterbrick Down]

No, its not an accusation, because how can I accuse someone of anything after well nothing, I was persuing what I saw and it was Gordon who then replied to Petey's reply to me. I saw something strange and my gaze moved onto it.

But Pennie, you just claimed that you had the first accusation against Petey, when actually it was Gordon who said that Petey was a bit too defensive. Please try to clarify what you are saying in the future. I still think you were too hasty on agreeing with Gordon and you've done it a few more times since then.

Anyways moving onward, Casey is not the only one Petey contacted. Mr. Panda also chatted with me about the encroaching lynch on him. I can understand that someone would try to contact those who were more level-headed, especially those who are not on the "you reacted too defensively and must therefore be evil" bandwagon.

Also is your list really necessary Mr. Rabbit? I think we all can do this on our own and your attempt to look helpful especially with a options list has been done time and time again by the evil people in the storybooks. But thank you anyways, at least you are saying something.

[badboytje88]

I can't help it, I am a compulsive list maker. It's a serious addiction!

[Darkdragon]

I think it's time to address a few things.

The first thing I want to do is apologize to Ernie. I'm sorry I mistook your joke for a sign of scum trying to set up a day 2 lynch. I did over-react a bit to what you said, but I still don't think lynching is something that should be joked about.

Gordon: Sometimes I forget that a dick is always a dick and you maybe were just asking a question and not attacking me. Though, I still don't feel my first reply to you was a big overdefense. I said the truth and I didn't think it would turn into such an issue from that point.

Pennie: There's really something wrong with you. First off you jumped right onto what Gordon said and then blew it all out of proportion. Next you kept at it even though it shouldn't even have been a discussion anymore. Then you claimed that you were the first one to bring it up? Some others have seen and commented on these same things that I am saying, so I'm not going to rehash them.

Everyone else:

I'm not going to go through and multiquote for walls of text, but I will address concerns I've noticed have come up.

Contact: Yes, I contacted Casey and Baxter. They were the only people that seemed to be thinking at all and trying to consider things. Are they town? I have no idea. I only know who I am and that I'm a loyal member of the town who felt like I was being set up and/or just wrongfully accused. I've made my cases to them and if they want to ask me anything privately or publicly, that is up to them. I will answer any and all questions.

"Overreacting": Hmm maybe, I do that all the time. Once my name is brought up, especially on the first days, I feel like I'm standing alone in a forest covered with karosene. It's not a good feeling. Dying is not fun, I don't want to do it again. Not so much when Gordon started, but when Pennie started in on me I can say I felt under attack. No, votes weren't open yet, but honestly are you saying that with all the books you've ready you don't see where this potentially was going?

If I have not addressed your specific concern, just let me know and I will address it. Here or privately.

[Pandora]

If Petey said this before he contacted you, then it seems odd he'd trust someone who he seems to think is against him (particularly after hearing your assumption that you think he didn't feel you were pressuring him). If it was after, then this town is weirder than I realised! Either that, or everyone's lust for my flesh is driving them insane.

It does strike me as unusual that Petey would be so concerned about his predicament that he would wish to seek support from someone who had appeared to the rest of us (well, me, at least, and Mindy apparently) to have been 'pushing' a little, too.

Anyways moving onward, Casey is not the only one Petey contacted. Mr. Panda also chatted with me about the encroaching lynch on him. I can understand that someone would try to contact those who were more level-headed, especially those who are not on the "you reacted too defensively and must therefore be evil" bandwagon.

And I also find it odd that Petey would believe you to be a solace of comfort in his time of need after your rather neutral reaction to the turn of events:

Anyways, seems like Petey here had a reaction to a jokester and it didn't sit well with Gordon. Pennie here assumes everyone reacts to a joke just like she does, but from personal experience I don't think Petey enjoys jokes very much so it seems consistant with her, but hey people have been known to have split personalities before, but I'm only a mechanic so we best find a snake-charming pyschytrist if we want a professional opinion.

You just say 'reaction', and that it may or may not be consistent.

Hardly valiant support, really, so why did Petey see you, out of everyone, as an ally?

I don't see anyone pushing for anyone else's lynch right now (and I didn't perceive Petey's circumstances as "an encroaching lynch"), I see discussion which (as has been already observed) may be useful in the future, and an awful lot of defensiveness from a lot of quarters.

*strokes goatee*

[Professor Flitwick]

Contact: Yes, I contacted Casey and Baxter. They were the only people that seemed to be thinking at all and trying to consider things. Are they town? I have no idea. I only know who I am and that I'm a loyal member of the town who felt like I was being set up and/or just wrongfully accused. I've made my cases to them and if they want to ask me anything privately or publicly, that is up to them. I will answer any and all questions.

Why did you chose to contact Casey, moments after you said this:

Gordon is right that Petey is acting a bit defensive, but I'm not sure if he's not just taking advantage of Petey here. It is at least something. Something better than going off of hairstyles in that one play we did.

Well, that was quick to hop onto his rickety wagon already. Seriously you guys, how is saying that lynching shouldn't be joked about even remotely considered defensive?

You claim to only speak to those you claim were 'thinking', yet you talked to somebody you accused of jumping onto a bandwagon against you? If I had an apparently baseless accusation hurled at me (like people saying they're going to eat me! ), I know I wouldn't think the ones bandwagoning against me were "trying to consider all things".

[Eskallon]

[Scubacarrot]

Gordon: Sometimes I forget that a dick is always a dick and you maybe were just asking a question and not attacking me. Though, I still don't feel my first reply to you was a big overdefense. I said the truth and I didn't think it would turn into such an issue from that point.

If you think I was acting like a dick.... Then you are seeing stuff that is not there, because I have been perfectly nice. At least as nice as you can expect from an Alpha Male Silverback Gorilla (Represent).

Fact is that your behaviour looks odd to me, it is incredibly over defensive, and weird. You literally accused me of setting you up for a lynch and twisting your words, you wrongly accused me of summarizing... I don't get it. Either you are more paranoid than everyone I have ever met and you arevery concerned for your own life, or there is something else going on. Either way, I think I am going to keep an eye on everything you say.

[Waterbrick Down]

You just say 'reaction', and that it may or may not be consistent.

Hardly valiant support, really, so why did Petey see you, out of everyone, as an ally?

I don't see anyone pushing for anyone else's lynch right now (and I didn't perceive Petey's circumstances as "an encroaching lynch"), I see discussion which (as has been already observed) may be useful in the future, and an awful lot of defensiveness from a lot of quarters.

*strokes goatee*

I saw his "reaction" as consistant with my dealings with Mr. Panda in the past. Also if not jumping on the "he's too defensive thus he must be evil" bandwagon is enough for Petey to consider me an ally then I would think it is he who you should be asking your question to.

[Professor Flitwick]

I saw his "reaction" as consistant with my dealings with Mr. Panda in the past. Also if not jumping on the "he's too defensive thus he must be evil" bandwagon is enough for Petey to consider me an ally then I would think it is he who you should be asking your question to.

This throws confusion on Petey's story, as he accused Casey of doing just that, and then apparently contacted her. I think her lust for my flesh really has driven her crazy.

[Darkdragon]

Why did you chose to contact Casey, moments after you said this:

You claim to only speak to those you claim were 'thinking', yet you talked to somebody you accused of jumping onto a bandwagon against you? If I had an apparently baseless accusation hurled at me (like people saying they're going to eat me! ), I know I wouldn't think the ones bandwagoning against me were "trying to consider all things".

It wasn't moments later, it was hours later. Casey's first reply was wagony, but in later responses she seemed to be trying to think things through.

If you has a baseless accusation hurled at you and no team to trust, what exactly would you do? Cowering in a corner is useless, the biggest risk for me is that either of them could be a cultist anyway.

[Eskallon]

If you has a baseless accusation hurled at you and no team to trust, what exactly would you do? Cowering in a corner is useless, the biggest risk for me is that either of them could be a cultist anyway.

It wasn't a baseless accusation, your lack of ability to understand a joke was noticed and it was followed up. After it was picked up you could have not made a big deal about it, but instead you got overly defensive for what it was and we moved our gaze to you. Got it now?

[Pandora]

I saw his "reaction" as consistant with my dealings with Mr. Panda in the past.

Actually, as I quoted, you were a bit "well it could be, or it might not be".

but from personal experience I don't think Petey enjoys jokes very much so it seems consistant with her, but hey people have been known to have split personalities before, but I'm only a mechanic so we best find a snake-charming pyschytrist if we want a professional opinion.

Also if not jumping on the "he's too defensive thus he must be evil" bandwagon is enough for Petey to consider me an ally then I would think it is he who you should be asking your question to.

You weren't the only person to not jump on the 'bandwagon', the 'bandwagon' was only a small number of people - if it was even a bandwagon at all. A few people aside from Gordon, Pennie and Casey merely said they'd noted Petey's defensiveness, that's all, and many people didn't even give an opinion. As you say, you may not be the best person to answer this question (although I appreciate the fact that you really have tried, nonetheless), and really I'm just musing out loud.

[Waterbrick Down]

Actually, as I quoted, you were a bit "well it could be, or it might not be".

You weren't the only person to not jump on the 'bandwagon', the 'bandwagon' was only a small number of people - if it was even a bandwagon at all. A few people aside from Gordon, Pennie and Casey merely said they'd noted Petey's defensiveness, that's all, and many people didn't even give an opinion. As you say, you may not be the best person to answer this question (although I appreciate the fact that you really have tried, nonetheless), and really I'm just musing out loud.

Bandwagon may be too strong a word, but whatever you want to call it, I didn't buy it at the time, as I expressed based upon prior experience, but also considered that my initial analysis could be off. We are all faliable, unless you happen to know something more concrete then the rest of us. Anyways, I'm one of the few I think that vocally expressed that I didn't buy the initial suspicion for the time being and Petey I guess thought that was enough to contact me. Carry on with your musings, it's what we need if we are to get anywhere.

[CorneliusMurdock]

I'd like Bristol Bunny to say a few words to prove she's still breathing.

Vote: Bristol Bunny (Bob)

If the cultists have no inactive crowd to hide among, they should be easier to catch.

[Eskallon]

I still feel strongly about Petey, and since I was the first person to comment against him, it feels right I'm the first person to vote against him.

Vote: Petey Panda (darkdragon)

Not gonna list the reasons, anyone following should know why!

[CMP]

If the cultists have no inactive crowd to hide among, they should be easier to catch.

Fantastic idea. Let's kill off all the inactive people so our chances of catching scum are even better.

I don't know where today's going, but at the moment it seems everyone's more concerned with investigating behaviors than really taking action and voting somebody. That's what I'd like to believe Day One is all about. Petey's been overly defensive, though I wasn't convinced of it up to the point where he seems to have had some private chats with others in an attempt to explain himself. Honestly? I don't blame him. I've been in that situation more times than I'd like. Sometimes you just need to cool off in the day thread and address everyone in private.

Everyone's for the most part been level to me, nobody pops out in particular, but it's been quite a day as far as behavior analyses goes. I really don't think I'm going for today, unless something big comes up. I don't have much faith in lynches this early on anymore. The vast majority of the time, it just sets all of us off on the wrong foot when we lynch a townie for acting slightly odd. Exactly once can I recall it's ever gotten anyone anywhere, and that was almost entirely due to a role inconsistency, something God's clearly going to measures to avoid.

Now I think I need to go take a hot bath, whatever cleaning agent Becka exfoliated Cameron'e scales with wasn't certified by the Fabuland Sanitation Association. I know this because I haven't certified anything but a thoroughly sanitized hazmat suit.

I really don't think I'm going for today, unless something big comes up.

That's 'to vote'.

[Scubacarrot]

So you rather not vote, am I going to have to recite you the many tales of why that's a terrible idea. Please tell me I don't?

Alright. I'm going to vote for Casey, she has been consistantly with everyone in this whole discussion, it's weird. When responded to she speaks a lot of words but not offer much of an explanation... I did not understand what she was getting at, anyway. Maybe she can explain it to me?

While I don't like Petey's behaviour, I may be overanalyzing it. He is definitely among the ones I keep an eye on. (I'm watching you ) But for now I want to hear more from Casey.

Vote: Casey Cat (Scouty)

And I can't help but notice Petey has not responded to my reasons for suspicion. Please do that.

[CMP]

So you rather not vote, am I going to have to recite you the many tales of why that's a terrible idea. Please tell me I don't?

Nope. I don't find anybody suspicious so far, so I'm not voting until then, no matter how many times you read me poetry. Silly monkey.