The Forest Mafia: Day Three

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In going over things, I realize why some people are confused why I say I was targeted by two killers. Brigit was the magic bodyguard with a chance of dying while protecting if successful. She told me all about it on Day Two, because we ladies were close. Real close.

I'm assuming she successfully protected me, and took the hit instead. Don't make Brigit's sacrifice be in vain.

[Shadows]

and it's against the towniest of townies.

You're the towniest of townies now? Jesus, get over yourself, no one at this stage can verify that you're town any more than anyone else has been. You really want to announce that you're more loyal than everyone else? You really feel it's right to insult them that way? Wow, you've got one serious ego, but don't expect everyone else to be as mesmerized by it. We are supposed to consider all possibilities and you object when we do? That isn't very townie at all...

It seems pretty obvious that I was targeted for working with the village.

It does? Every single death so far has been a villager. What the hell are you doing that any of us haven't? Nothing but trying to convince people to turn over their lives to you. I'm suggesting they try to think first. Guess what? I'm right, you're wrong.

and have been outed as known town.

You've been outed as known town? megablocks. You haven't been confirmed by anyone we can know is town yet. Until then, you're in the group as the rest of us and all things should be considered. Why does that worry you?

The baddies know I'm not with them, so they will push heavy doubt about me to keep the other townies away from me.

You were brought back to life by someone other than Brigit, that's clearly shown. You really expect us to believe that there are two villagers with that power? Hell no. You need to come up with something better than acting like the victim when you're the one still alive and it's all villagers who have died.

Perhaps I should add that Booker was a verified member of the village brought back by another verified member of the village. Thus, his reviver was on our side. You are an unknown who was brought back by another unknown. It's very unlikely that there are two village revivers, so who brought you back? Bad enough Brigit had to die trying to save you, but that doesn't mean she was right about your alignment, it only means she may have been fooled. I'd like to see us not be fooled, so I want questions asked and answered before anyone puts their trust in you or anyone else. I still can't see how that is wrong.

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You're the towniest of townies now? Jesus, get over yourself, no one at this stage can verify that you're town any more than anyone else has been. You really want to announce that you're more loyal than everyone else? You really feel it's right to insult them that way? Wow, you've got one serious ego, but don't expect everyone else to be as mesmerized by it. We are supposed to consider all possibilities and you object when we do? That isn't very townie at all...

It does? Every single death so far has been a villager. What the hell are you doing that any of us haven't? Nothing but trying to convince people to turn over their lives to you. I'm suggesting they try to think first. Guess what? I'm right, you're wrong.

You've been outed as known town? megablocks. You haven't been confirmed by anyone we can know is town yet. Until then, you're in the group as the rest of us and all things should be considered. Why does that worry you?

You were brought back to life by someone other than Brigit, that's clearly shown. You really expect us to believe that there are two villagers with that power? Hell no. You need to come up with something better than acting like the victim when you're the one still alive and it's all villagers who have died.

I just think it's awesome that you firmly rode the middle of the pack the first two days, but now you seem to have it all figured out...

Why am I the towniest of town? Let me count the ways... Working tirelessly, for our village, for days on end now... The fox? Nope. Building up trust with multiple townies... The fox? Nope. Trying to rally the good guys together when we're in our darkest hour... The fox? Nope.

Okay guys, I'm sorry, the towniest of towns was meant to be said with some humor about the position we're in, and how I'm hoping to keep you guys active, from my active voting, to my behind the scenes communications... It's not meant to be taken as some sort of ranking that I'm better than you. I seem to have hurt the fox's feelings with my hurtful, insulting words, by calling myself "towniest of town". Everyone, please let Mr. Fox know he's okay too. Sorry Mr. Fox. I didn't mean to make you feel bad. You can cry on my shoulder if you need to, and I won't even find your sudden confidence in suspicions... Strange, you are suspicious of me after I'm burned... What timing...

And no more shit about Jesus, please. It's so tiring.

[Shadows]

I just think it's awesome that you firmly rode the middle of the pack the first two days, but now you seem to have it all figured out...

It's surprising when we had no information to go on for 2 days, then were given the events of last night to work with? What have you been basing your tireless work on? Only the scum know the identities of their teammates, so where did you gather your great knowledge from? Further, who have you exposed, saved, or in any way cleared? No one. Every death has been a villager and we still have nothing more to go on than the events of last night. You seem to want that ignored. So what do you propose we do now?

Why am I the towniest of town? Let me count the ways... Working tirelessly, for our village, for days on end now... The fox? Nope. Building up trust with multiple townies... The fox? Nope. Trying to rally the good guys together when we're in our darkest hour... The fox? Nope.

Oh, you've tried to get people to trust you when they have no actual way to verify anything you've said and the result has been a string of village deaths and no progress. Wow, you've done a smashing job, I'm just embarrassed I couldn't do so much.

Okay guys, I'm sorry, the towniest of towns was meant to be said with some humor about the position we're in, and how I'm hoping to keep you guys active, from my active voting, to my behind the scenes communications... It's not meant to be taken as some sort of ranking that I'm better than you. I seem to have hurt the fox's feelings with my hurtful, insulting words, by calling myself "towniest of town". Everyone, please let Mr. Fox know he's okay too. Sorry Mr. Fox. I didn't mean to make you feel bad. You can cry on my shoulder if you need to, and I won't even find your sudden confidence in suspicions...

Aw, that's so sweet. Being condescending is a fairly pathetic way to try to shift suspicion off yourself, but if you want to try it, go ahead. I'm sure it'll work brilliantly.

Strange, you are suspicious of me after I'm burned... What timing...

Yeah, shocking that I would be suspicious after you're brought to life by an unknown, on the same night a verified member of the village is brought back by another verified member of the village. There's two village revivers and one knew to bring you back last night, with only the loss of poor Brigit! It all makes sense now!

They aren't that stupid, they aren't going to overlook this. Seriously, try something new and stop insulting their intelligence.

And no more shit about Jesus, please. It's so tiring.

Soon as you give it up, I will. It really is tiring to see you paint yourself as doing something for this village when you haven't. If you want to be the hero, do something that works, unless things are going exactly as you want them to...

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I've got no interest in even reading through the fox's words at this point. Everyone, if you think he has a legitimate point somewhere, feel free to address me, I'll address it. But I have no time for his nasty rants. I'm just going to ignore them.

Sorry

[badboytje88]

Roar! Good morning everybody!

I've got some lovely beef that needs cutting (I hope you don't mind, Cara ) at the moment, so I'll just say this: I blocked Lauren Lamb last night.

Humn mister Lion, I do not approve of that. You know we're all vegetarians!

In going over things, I realize why some people are confused why I say I was targeted by two killers. Brigit was the magic bodyguard with a chance of dying while protecting if successful. She told me all about it on Day Two, because we ladies were close. Real close.

I'm assuming she successfully protected me, and took the hit instead. Don't make Brigit's sacrifice be in vain.

Well what we saw was that you died, then Brigit died, then another person revived you. We know Booker was revived by a member of the town. I highly doubt it that there are more than one member with that power. And if there is more than one member with that power, they don't belong to the same faction. I'm not saying that you are scum now that you have been brought back to life, I'm just pointing out that I find it hard to believe that town has a. two revivers at their side, and b. that you were riveved during the same night as you were murdered. You said it had something to do with Brigit protecting you, but if she protected you, why did you have to die first?

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Well what we saw was that you died, then Brigit died, then another person revived you. We know Booker was revived by a member of the town. I highly doubt it that there are more than one member with that power. And if there is more than one member with that power, they don't belong to the same faction. I'm not saying that you are scum now that you have been brought back to life, I'm just pointing out that I find it hard to believe that town has a. two revivers at their side, and b. that you were riveved during the same night as you were murdered. You said it had something to do with Brigit protecting you, but if she protected you, why did you have to die first?

I don't know why I came back, or if it had to do with Brigit. I know that Brigit protected from magic, not from fire, so she couldn't stop that shady arsonist. As for my loyalty, it's the same as it ever was, whether people believe it or not. I would suggest giving me this day, and encourage any investigator clear me. I am as 100% town as I always was.

For the vote tomorrow. I strongly urged someone to investigate the lamb, but we still haven't found the damn investigator. Brigit was trusting of me and Edgar, as I was of her. Nothing funny has happened with Edgar. Investigator: Contact Edgar!

In other news, I've been told that another was given an orb, much like the orb that saved Horace on night one... but this was an investigation orb, and since the investigator had been urged to check Lauren, this person used the one time only orb on Lazlo... and Lazlo was found innocent.

On the Lazlo/Lauren debate yesterday, I felt much stronger that Lazlo sounded more innocent. And nothing Lauren said sounded remotely anything but self-preservation.

So, when the time comes, I strongly feel we can sacrifice Lauren. Lauren is suspicious, and the chance of town having two (three? ) blockers is close to nil. If anyone has any defense of Lauren, either let the town know, or let me know, and I'll retract this blatant finger of shame that I'm wagging in her direction.

[Walter Kovacs]

You said it had something to do with Brigit protecting you, but if she protected you, why did you have to die first?

And why did we see a shadowed figure resurrect you after Brigit's death if it was Brigit's actions that saved you?

I'm not accusing, just asking.

Also, from what I can see Brigit would have died whether she tried to help Helen or not. That was most likely the Demon Legion killer doing his dirty work, and not related to Brigit trying to help Helen out of her stituation.

I see you've already addressed this issue. I retract my question.

[CorneliusMurdock]

Here's a list of people I find suspicious (no particular order):

Helen- From early on you've been trying to find people with abilities. Asking people about statements in their initial messages from god and now outright asking everyone with abilities to contact you.

Lazlo- You still haven't addressed what you said near the end of yesterday. Now's the time to talk, buddy.

Horace- Where's the crow with a sickle that you went on about? All the killers looked like people with magic wands to me...

Not that I trust everyone else but these are my top suspects right now. I don't know where my vote would go right now but I encourage these three to address these points before voting opens up.

[Professor Flitwick]

Firstly, welcome back Booker. Just a shame it had to come at the cost of Wendell. And the two sibling Bunnies, too, such a shame.

Good idea Portia, I'll show you mine:

Helen Hippo

Since I was targeted by both the scum and the arsonist, that should pretty much clear me. I've been trying to get town working together, so all town with roles contact me with what you know.. I have some info already from a few people and want to get things together.

No, you weren't, you were targeted by the Arsonist, who we will assume to be a third party member. We all know that third party members can side with anyone. I also find it too coincidental that someone chose to resurrect you the very night someone happens to kill you.

And no, the Necromancer wasn't someone protecting Helen, and who brought her back as part of their role; Brigit was already trying to protect seen trying to protect her.

Edgar Elephant

I do believe he's been converted/a third party member working with the Demon Legion. One moment Helen is saying 'Kill him, he's talking too much', then the next day she's saying 'No, tell him all your secrets!' Lets not forget that there was no Demon Legion kill during the first night, so a conversion likely took place instead.

So with those in mind, let me continue with my theory of last couple of days events:

• Helen accuses Edgar of talking more than usual.
  
• During a night we now know has no Demon Legion kill, someone was likely converted. Say... Edgar? Or Edgar, a person previously aware of the Arsonist, starts to work with Helen and co.
  
• Helen, now working with Edgar, tells everyone to confide in him, so she and her confederates can know everyone with a Night Action.
  
• Helen tells Edgar to burn her alive, so the Demon Legion's Necromancer can resurrect her.
  
• Helen, now apparently looking more innocent than Edgar, tells people to confide in her.
  

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Edgar Elephant

I do believe he's been converted/a third party member working with the Demon Legion. One moment Helen is saying 'Kill him, he's talking too much', then the next day she's saying 'No, tell him all your secrets!' Lets not forget that there was no Demon Legion kill during the first night, so a conversion likely took place instead.

No, I pulled my vote for him on the first day, since my vote for him had little meaning in the first place. Mindy Mouse didn't earn the name Fuckwit for nothing.

So with those in mind, let me continue with my theory of last couple of days events:

• Helen accuses Edgar of talking more than usual.
  
• During a night we now know has no Demon Legion kill, someone was likely converted. Say... Edgar? Or Edgar, a person previously aware of the Arsonist, starts to work with Helen and co.
  

Or they attacked Horace and were blocked by the inane God-items, the orbs, that have been shown to be floating around.

Helen, now working with Edgar, tells everyone to confide in him, so she and her confederates can know everyone with a Night Action.

Yes, scum often put them in front of the pack, despite the fact they will be the most obviously investigated... </end sarcasm>

Helen tells Edgar to burn her alive, so the Demon Legion's Necromancer can resurrect her.
Helen, now apparently looking more innocent than Edgar, tells people to confide in her.

You're so far off the right track that I hope you retire from mafia games in the future out of embarrassment about the post I'm angrily quoting.

When you want to join town, let me or Edgar know, whoever of us are surviving on day four.

[Professor Flitwick]

No, I pulled my vote for him on the first day, since my vote for him had little meaning in the first place. Mindy Mouse didn't earn the name Fuckwit for nothing.

Yes, I still remember that wonderful "Oh I'm not so sure, but I'm going to vote for him anyway. But if he turns out innocent don't blame me; I said I'm not sure" line you tried to feed us showed us exactly how much meaning you put behind your votes. And who knows, Edgar could've made a deal with you.

Name calling, nice. I remember it being used once, a long time ago...

Or they attacked Horace and were blocked by the inane God-items, the orbs, that have been shown to be floating around.

I which case they would've been shown in the starting images at the start of the day? And besides, as Portia said, Horace doesn't have the most valid story; he mentioned Crows and Sickles, two things I've yet to see crop up.

Yes, scum often put them in front of the pack, despite the fact they will be the most obviously investigated... </end sarcasm>

Seeing as trustful people have put their necks on the line in the past, I didn't think it would be long before evil people started doing it to gain trust and information. Maybe that day has come.

You're so far off the right track that I hope you retire from mafia games in the future out of embarrassment about the post I'm angrily quoting.

When you want to join town, let me or Edgar know, whoever of us are surviving on day four.

I can see where you're coming from, here. It's not like I've won two Mafia games on the side of the town, where I've started off with no allies or information. And it's not like I lead a successful conviction against a scum in Eurodina. Can't remember who it was, though they must've been bad; I got them killed! I just wish I could remember who it was, I should send them to the BBC, they could make quite a good comedy series from them. I believe it was the same fool whose main argument was name calling.

No worries. I'll also tell you my possible Night Action, and leads I have, my credit card numbers, my mother maiden name, her credit card numbers, etc.

[Hinckley]

Mod note: Stop the metagaming

[Rick]

I which case they would've been shown in the starting images at the start of the day? And besides, as Portia said, Horace doesn't have the most valid story; he mentioned Crows and Sickles, two things I've yet to see crop up.

Horace's story indeed sounds a little weird given the two killers (besides the arsonist) we've seen today. Nothing crow-like to them at all. But I don't think it's unusual if an unsuccessful kill remains undocumented.

Seeing as trustful people have put their necks on the line in the past, I didn't think it would be long before evil people started doing it to gain trust and information. Maybe that day has come.

It's not an easy strategy to pull off, but I guess it's possible that Helen is a member of the Demon Legion trying really hard to look like a villager. Right now however, I think it's most likely that both of you are villagers. And what more, I think the members of the Demon Legion are laughing their megablocks of watching you two calling each other names here.

In the meantime, we need to get this blocker story straightened out. So far, the only evidence we have is the investigation of Lazlo. Since this apparently was a one-shot ability, I'd be surprised if there is no 'real' investigator on our side. It would be nice if he would find a way to disseminate his findings and... maybe it's a good idea to check on Helen Hippo tonight.

Oh, and could the fact that Bristol Bunny's body is nowhere to be found and we can't determine her alliance perhaps be the work of a Demon Legion Janitor? The remains were clearly there after the demon was done with her after all...

[Eskallon]

Ok let's all calm down. First off the argument ends here, you have both made your points and now you are just metagaming squabbling about the past. I agree what Helen said was suspicous but would a scum member be so obvious, no. I think she was just being a bit of a stupid villager.

I still don't trust Lazlo because of his terrible amount of posts but I can now see more why I may have made a mistake. Apart from that I have no suspicous people on my list.

[Quarryman]

Well, I think Mindy's theory is a bit too far-fetched to be true. After all, the simplest explanation is often found to be true, and I don't see anything simple about that theory.

[Professor Flitwick]

Well, I think Mindy's theory is a bit too far-fetched to be true. After all, the simplest explanation is often found to be true, and I don't see anything simple about that theory.

The simplest answer being she was miraculously ressurected the exact same night she was killed? Sorry, but I find that quite hard to swallow (oh grow up! ).

[Rufus]

Roar! Good morning everybody!

I've got some lovely beef that needs cutting (I hope you don't mind, Cara ) at the moment, so I'll just say this: I blocked Lauren Lamb last night.

Your Roar has diminished somewhat, Lazlo!

You have claimed you're a blocker, and that you blocked Bristol on night one, who had already said she had no night action. You have now told us you blocked Lauren last night. An investigating orb has apparently revealed you to be a loyal villager.

Lauren, you were seen targeting Edgar on night one, when he found himself blocked. I understand you initially told someone you were the blocker, then told us all here you had been in contact with the blocker.

I find it highly unlikely the town would have two blockers, and I feel this is a lead we should pursue today. As things stand, I'm inclined to trust Lazlo over Lauren, but I would like to hear from Lauren.

[Lord Arjay]

Oh dear. It is very sad that more of us have died, poor Brigit - she did not deserve such a cruel fate. It's pgood news that Booker has returned though, Wendell's sacrifice shall not be forgotten.

It's pretty frustrating that we don't know whether Bristol was on our side or not, as it means any information we could gain from looking at who voted will be less helpful. Although it is worth considering that Helen, Becka, Felix, Sheldon, Bruno, Benji and Kenda were all on both the Edgar and Bristol bandwagons. I'm pretty sure Edgar isn't scum and if Bristol isn't either, then it's likely one of the above group is working against us. Kenda is the most suspicous out of them to me.

I'm curious to see what Horace will have to say about the lack of appearance from a crow, though if he was scum then he would already know that the crow didn't exist. I find it unlikely that Horace would claim something if he knew it would be easily shown as false.

The way Helen was brought back to life does seem a little odd to me, however throughout this ordeal I have felt that she was trustworthy. I don't see why one wierd circumstance should change that (though I agree it may be useful if someone would investigate her) and I'm finding the accusations against her to be more of a distraction than anything.

Lauren, you were seen targeting Edgar on night one, when he found himself blocked. I understand you initially told someone you were the blocker, then told us all here you had been in contact with the blocker.

This is a good point as if Lauren was only in contact with a blocker then that wouldn't explain why she was apparently seen targeting Edgar. This is something I would like explained but I also want Lazlo to explain exactly why he was suspicious of Bristol. Was it just a gut feeling like others had?

[Zepher]

I don't know why I came back, or if it had to do with Brigit. I know that Brigit protected from magic, not from fire, so she couldn't stop that shady arsonist. As for my loyalty, it's the same as it ever was, whether people believe it or not. I would suggest giving me this day, and encourage any investigator clear me. I am as 100% town as I always was.

In other news, I've been told that another was given an orb, much like the orb that saved Horace on night one... but this was an investigation orb, and since the investigator had been urged to check Lauren, this person used the one time only orb on Lazlo... and Lazlo was found innocent.

On the Lazlo/Lauren debate yesterday, I felt much stronger that Lazlo sounded more innocent. And nothing Lauren said sounded remotely anything but self-preservation.

So, when the time comes, I strongly feel we can sacrifice Lauren. Lauren is suspicious, and the chance of town having two (three? ) blockers is close to nil. If anyone has any defense of Lauren, either let the town know, or let me know, and I'll retract this blatant finger of shame that I'm wagging in her direction.

Okay, let me just address what you're saying really quick you silly.

-There are two revivors, both of which are definantly town because Booker is definantly still town and you are definantly still town. So that's two revivors for the town, according to you.

-On top of that, we have a watcher, a investigator you don't know, and a investigative orb. So that's AT LEAST three pro-town positions who can investigate.

-Brigit, who by the way said she trusted me in her final moments (so much for claiming you two were close...) apparently tried to protect you last night. I assume she was not the only town protector, since she could possibly lose her life. So, that's two protectors that are pro-town.

-We have heard reports of a crow killer, an arsonist, and two wand killers (or one wand killer who can kill twice). That's three or four killers.

-However, according to you, the idea of two blockers on the same side is utterly and entirely ridiculous...

Lauren, you were seen targeting Edgar on night one, when he found himself blocked. I understand you initially told someone you were the blocker, then told us all here you had been in contact with the blocker.

That's called trying to protect yourself. I told Edgar that I was the blocker, but then told everyone else I was in contact with the blocker. Sandy was the other person who knew my true action. And I survived the night because of it. But... yippee. You just told the scum who the blcoker really was! I clearly need to pick who I tell what more carefully.

Last night I attempted to block Pennie due to her early vote for someone who was assumed cleared town yesterday, and suspiscions from both Brigit and Benji. I told Edgar my course of action, so that someone would be able to confirm I was doing what I was claiming to do.

[Fugazi]

Hmm a lot of information to digest this morning... But first of all, I find it peculiar that Helen suggests to be our coordinator when there's someone here who we can probably trust much more: a townie revived by a townie, how could he go wrong? I don't say that we should all tell our roles to Booker right away, but come on, if there is one person we could possibly trust, it's him and not Helen.

And while it's possible that Lazlo is a blocker, it could also be a total fabrication. I'm not saying that he's scum, but there's no proof that he ever blocked anyone, or that the 'investigation orb' really exists.

Last night I attempted to block Pennie due to her early vote for someone who was assumed cleared town yesterday, and suspiscions from both Brigit and Benji.

Were you told by God that your block was successful?

[Inconspicuous]

My apologies for my inactivity towards the end of yesterday. I'm back, and boy has a lot of discussion been going on!

For all we know you are scum and were targeted by the Arsonist then reanimated by a scum magician.

This is the theory I'm starting to support. I just find it so suspicious that a kill and resurrection of the same person happened on the same night. As Felix has mentioned numerous times, we have no proof that Helen is a member of the town, although she insists that her actions show it. "Working tirelessly" and "forming trust" means absolutely nothing at this stage, as members from either faction could be doing the same things. Investigation in the only way to be certain, which can often be tricky to manage properly.

Perhaps I should add that Booker was a verified member of the village brought back by another verified member of the village. Thus, his reviver was on our side. You are an unknown who was brought back by another unknown. It's very unlikely that there are two village revivers, so who brought you back?

This is great piece of evidence that supports my suspicion of Helen. There's just something so fishy about the whole situation. Helen, why do you think you were resurrected so quickly? If I remember correctly, you never addressed this.

Edgar Elephant

I do believe he's been converted/a third party member working with the Demon Legion. One moment Helen is saying 'Kill him, he's talking too much', then the next day she's saying 'No, tell him all your secrets!' Lets not forget that there was no Demon Legion kill during the first night, so a conversion likely took place instead.

If Helen was a member of the town, she might have switched her position after realizing that Edgar was correct about the arsonist, and hoped to direct role-bearing townies to a source they could trust more. But after last night's events, Helen believed that she was equally trustworthy.

It all boils down to her resurrector. I'd like to hear her opinion as to why she was revived so quickly. I think it'll clear things up a bit.

Oh, and could the fact that Bristol Bunny's body is nowhere to be found and we can't determine her alliance perhaps be the work of a Demon Legion Janitor? The remains were clearly there after the demon was done with her after all...

An interesting idea. This is a possibility, but there's nothing we can really do about it.

[CorneliusMurdock]

Hmmm. Let's see. Should we believe a lion that says two sentences (three if you count "Roar!) and disappears or a lamb that gives a well reasoned argument?

And Gilbert brings up a great point. Why should we trust a hippo that's been resurrected under suspicious circumstances when we have a bear that's been confirmed town by god, resurrected by someone else confirmed town by god.

Let's not forget also that the person claiming that Lazlo was investigated and proven town is Helen. We have no reason to believe her more than anyone else. In fact we have less reason to do so. I REALLY hope god has not cursed us with a vampire hippo. I'll have nightmares. But he very well could have.

[Shadows]

The simplest answer being she was miraculously ressurected the exact same night she was killed? Sorry, but I find that quite hard to swallow (oh grow up! ).

Yeah, I'm finding it a little hard to swallow as well. We know Booker was village and revived by a villager, I seriously doubt another such reviver exists, meaning Helen belongs to some other group. It's about as simple as it gets.

The way Helen was brought back to life does seem a little odd to me, however throughout this ordeal I have felt that she was trustworthy. I don't see why one wierd circumstance should change that (though I agree it may be useful if someone would investigate her) and I'm finding the accusations against her to be more of a distraction than anything.

At least you see the need for investigation. The problem is, who do we trust is the real investigator and how will they reveal their information, whatever it may be? We have so many people claiming to be things that it's almost impossible to sort out the truth from the lies.

Hmmm. Let's see. Should we believe a lion that says two sentences (three if you count "Roar!) and disappears or a lamb that gives a well reasoned argument?

And Gilbert brings up a great point. Why should we trust a hippo that's been resurrected under suspicious circumstances when we have a bear that's been confirmed town by god, resurrected by someone else confirmed town by god.

Let's not forget also that the person claiming that Lazlo was investigated and proven town is Helen. We have no reason to believe her more than anyone else. In fact we have less reason to do so. I REALLY hope god has not cursed us with a vampire hippo. I'll have nightmares. But he very well could have.

You make a number of very good points. If the person giving an alibi isn't proven town and actually ends up brought back from the dead by someone who isn't town (there aren't two town revivers, don't make me explain how stupid that idea is, this is supposed to be an All-stars game) then how can we possibly trust it? That leaves us with the other part of what you said, we have Booker. He was verified and then revived by town, if we can't trust him then the voice in the sky is a witch bastard of the lowest order.

So I propose a compromise. Everyone who claims to investigate, investigate Helen tonight. Anyone who desperately needs to trust someone, trust Booker, he's got to be our best shot at a verified villager so far. Everyone else, let's figure out which supposed blocker to trust and then test it by voting off the other one. I'd especially like to hear from Edgar in this situation, since he's been central to the argument.

Fair enough?

[Fugazi]

In going over things, I realize why some people are confused why I say I was targeted by two killers. Brigit was the magic bodyguard with a chance of dying while protecting if successful. She told me all about it on Day Two, because we ladies were close. Real close.

I'm assuming she successfully protected me, and took the hit instead. Don't make Brigit's sacrifice be in vain.

Well, another way to see it is that perhaps it's Brigit who was the target of the wand killer, not you. The only thing we know for sure is that the Arsonist tried to kill you.

No worries. I'll also tell you my possible Night Action, and leads I have, my credit card numbers, my mother maiden name, her credit card numbers, etc.

Yup, it would be a bit premature right now!

I'm curious to see what Horace will have to say about the lack of appearance from a crow, though if he was scum then he would already know that the crow didn't exist. I find it unlikely that Horace would claim something if he knew it would be easily shown as false.

There were people blocked last night, perhaps one of them was the crow killer? Although I'm surprised at the number of would-be killers in this village, regardless of their alignment.

Ok let's all calm down. First off the argument ends here, you have both made your points and now you are just metagaming squabbling about the past. I agree what Helen said was suspicous but would a scum member be so obvious, no. I think she was just being a bit of a stupid villager.

I still don't trust Lazlo because of his terrible amount of posts but I can now see more why I may have made a mistake. Apart from that I have no suspicous people on my list.

Talking about people blocked... Reading between the lines you are here defending both Helen and Lazlo. Not that I would draw any conclusion from so little.