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Hello All I am pleased to anounce, that in 2015, OSUHARDING1 will be doing a double review of both these Tatra's in question. There could possibly be an offroad duel between both, which I am very excited for; this will be the ultimate duel. Both mocs are amazingly built, I couldn't take one over the other, nor the builders either. Madoca is famous for his attention to detail (he is the pagani of technic), and Zblj is famous for fufilling and utilising functions to the best of their ability (though it doesn't mean that madoca's use of functions are useless, nor does it mean that Zblj builds ugly mocs). Madoca's Tatra has the best attention to detail, and is extremely precise for every of its functions. The Fox may not be too pretty, but it goes like a train though terrain. The Fox has been proven to survive all terrains, it can drive on any terrain including snow, ice, foresty areas, sand and can tow a car. You can literally say that the Fox has been around the world. Zblj also quotes his Fox as the most powerful tatra EVER, but then it would be because it has 1 XL motor per wheel. It has 2 winches capable of pulling itself up, not to mention its 8 wheel steering which can vary from rear steering, front steering, crab steering and opposite motion steering. It can climb up a hill but starts to loose traction due to the combination of torque and high revs, its either one or the other in technic. Madoca's tatra, aaahhh its a joy to look at, and to play with. It is very technical, but more stable than the fox when climbing objects (the fox is a bit skiddy when tackling objects). Madoca's Tatra's stablity also means it can climb higher than the fox on steep hills; it doesn't slip its wheels when climbing. Madoca's mocs are also known for there effective suspension and he always shows each moc, climbing over a few bumps. Not to mention that the Tatra has the offroad pedigree of the SUV MKII and the Offroad pickup truck, which are also made by madoca. Performancewise we know that all of Madoca's offroad based mocs can go offroad, but we don't know what extreme offroad conditions his Tatra can survive. Like I said its difficult to pick between them. This is equal to the battle of the 918 spyder and p1, one is a no-compromise and the other one is. Zblj's Fox is the ultimate expression of what a technic tatra can perform upto, and Madoca's tatra is the expression of what a technic tatra should compromise. The fox is a no compromise all terrain vehicle, stripped of things Zblj thought it didn't need: no fake engine, no rear cover, no based looks, its like the p1. Whereas the tatra is compromised, it was designed to replicate a real tatra, his tatra was built like the 918 spyder. But turns out lighter than the Fox but slightly slower Zblj believes because of the gear ratio. Zblj's Fox is also indestructable and was designed to cope with just about anything, like a saab. This willl be a great duel. Here are some pictures of the 2 Tatra's in question. Madoca's Tatra: Zblj's Fox: Note that both are 8x8 and are powered by multiple XL motors, instructions are available for both mocs, I think both are for free. Let me know what you think about both mocs, both builders are amazing and you must subscribe to their youtube channels for updates of their recent mocs. Also I'll leave a link to the video of the Fox and tatra, and also OSUHARDING1's review of Madoca's Tatra. Zblj's Fox: Madoca's Tatra: OSUHARDING1's review of Madoca's Tatra: Thank you for reading this topic! LeocornoProductions